IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Saturday, 2013-02-02

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lufI need to install CSSU-stable 3.0. Any idea how to do that?10:21
kerio...that's pretty specific10:23
keriostart from stock, install each exact version10:24
kerioinstalling the 3.0 metapackage won't work10:27
lufkerio: How to easily find the "each exact version"?10:30
kerioluf: apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr10:46
kerioand then go look at the dependencies of the version you want10:46
kerioand then swap every >= for a == in your mind10:46
lufI was affraid you said that :D10:46
kerioluf: to be fair, it's easily automable10:47
kerioluf: note that you might not necessarily get the exact same thing as -Smaemo310:48
keriobecause dependencies can be pulled in, and they'll default to the latest version10:48
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lufkerio: :( I need exact -Smaemo310:50
lufI'll try and I see.10:50
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kerioluf: http://fpaste.org/Eqv5/raw/ something like this11:00
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kerioluf?11:11
lufYes?11:13
kerioluf: http://fpaste.org/Eqv5/raw/ something like this11:15
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lufkerio: thanks I saw that.11:24
lufI need some mentaly preparation to reflash my dev N900 ;) two N900 is not enough ..11:25
kerio"mental preparation", aka a backup11:25
lufkerio: no backup is needed as it's development machine11:26
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freemangordonmerlin1991: -thumb repo download speed sucks :(16:17
freemangordonI am getting between 50 and 100 KB/s16:17
keriohahaha16:19
keriopoor merlin1991.at, getting hammered16:19
freemangordonyep16:19
keriomerlin1991: buy more bandwidth!16:31
merlin1991freemangordon: really?16:39
merlin1991that's odd16:39
freemangordonmerlin1991: seems like it is because of mirrors16:39
merlin1991hm current up speed from the server that is being used is 100Kb&s16:40
merlin1991s.&./.16:40
merlin1991freemangordon: upspeed should be awesome theoretically16:42
merlin1991I'm getting straight 1Mb/s when I dl something16:43
merlin1991freemangordon: can you try again?16:43
freemangordonmerlin1991: not now16:44
jonwilis it safe to use r.m.o at this point?16:53
keriosafe for what?16:59
jonwilas in, is r.m.o stable enough to actually download things from?17:00
jonwilhmm, it seems to be up but VERY slow :P17:03
lufjonwil: yes it is very slow.17:03
keriojonwil: it shouldn't go down17:06
jonwilgood17:06
jonwilcurrently getting 4.5 kilobits a second speed from rmo17:07
jonwilnow its gone right down17:07
Palimerlin1991, look at apt cssu merge request17:07
Palifreemangordon, merlin1991: when will be next cssu meeting?17:08
PaliI have some points for discussion17:08
lufjonwil: It's stalled often here and also 345B/s ,,,17:08
jonwilis it slow because of an issue with r.m.o (and related infrastructure), because so many people are hitting it or both?17:17
M4rtinKI can also report that it is very very VERY slow :)17:20
lufjonwil: No idea. But Docs and one admin hunted something on #maemo channel few hours ago.17:20
M4rtinKand if I am not mistaken, the CSSU repositories are down at the moment ?17:20
M4rtinKat least according to apt-get errors17:20
keriojonwil: 5% cpu usage, 25Mbps up17:20
lufjonwil: high iowaits ... due to writes17:21
kerioluf: nah17:21
keriormo is just pushing 25Mbps17:21
kerioand nemein does some rate-limitation so packets are dropped17:21
jonwilso the answer is what exactly?17:21
lufkerio: ok17:22
lufjonwil: too many boring N900 users today :D17:22
keriojonwil: keep calm and apt-get17:22
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lufkerio: you frozen the jonwil :D17:33
kerio:D17:34
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lufWhat are the CSSU-stable repostiories?17:58
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keriokinda like the debian stable repositories17:59
lufkerio: I want to install CSSU-stable 3.0 if you remember. So I can't install it the usual way :(18:00
kerioheh18:00
keriojust use a mirror18:01
keriodeb http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free18:01
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Palimerlin1991: ping19:12
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warfarermo should work but very very slowly.20:25
keriowarfare: the issue is that sometimes it's so slow that the timeout kicks in20:31
keriowarfare: btw, can't we cheat and use coral?20:31
warfarekerio: apt on maemo has http redirects disabled.20:33
kerio:(20:33
warfareI could set up a varnish on my server and then point repository.maemo.org to my ip. But I don't know, who has access to the DNS.20:35
keriohm, so the only thing we could do would be to change the DNS aDAMMIT20:35
keriowarfare: hm, are you sure you've got enough bandwidth?20:35
keriobandwidth/traffic i mean20:36
kerioi think that nokia still controls the domain20:36
kerioand the dns20:36
keriomaemo.org.21600INNSns.nokia.com.20:37
* kerio shakes his fist at elop20:37
warfarehm, my server at hetzner has around 5T and the one at ovh uses around 2 of its 5T/month.20:43
kerio=D20:43
warfarethe ovh box hosts a podcast for a friend and a closed music archive, hence the traffic.20:44
keriogregoa: are you around? i have a question to you regarding dist-upgrade20:49
keriowarfare: ask DocScrutinizer, i suppose20:49
keriowarfare: also, it would end up being 270T/day, wouldn't it20:50
warfareI'm looking at cloudflare at the moment. ;)20:51
keriodoes cloudflare work without redirects?20:51
warfareYes, but it needs a DNS change.20:52
kerioi figured - *something* must call it20:52
keriodoesn't it cost a lot?20:52
warfarethe basic one is free.20:53
warfarethe pro costs 20$/month.20:53
keriowow20:54
keriodo they not pay for bandwidth, in some way?20:54
warfareI think they just have enough.20:54
kerio"100% uptime guarantee" suuuuuuure20:55
warfareAnd they make probably enough money with their business and enterprise customers.20:55
warfare2 hours edge cache expiry - which is good for our case.20:56
lufwarfare: I'm ready to change /etc/hosts ;)20:56
kerioluf: nope20:57
kerio/etc/hosts can't do CNAMEs20:57
lufkerio: ?? Why do I need CNAME?20:57
kerioluf: cloudflare isn't *one* server20:57
lufkerio: I can use just one of their servers.20:58
keriowarfare: it's fair to say that our body is ready20:59
warfarecloudflare wants to take over your dns ;)21:00
keriohold on, do they?21:01
lufwarfare: pitty21:01
kerioi thought you just had to set a CNAME21:01
kerioi doubt nokia will approve such a radical move21:01
warfareI think so.21:01
warfarebummer.21:01
keriowarfare: well, we only need a subdomain21:03
keriowarfare: apparently there's some kind of beta service that uses CNAMEs21:05
keriobut it's only for paid customers21:05
lufincapsula has 50GB/month limit21:16
keriowill cloudflare accept to be the nameserver for a subdomain only? i couldn't find anything about it on the website21:19
lufkerio: maemo.org is subdomain of org ;) So it doesn't matter what level of domain is used ;)21:22
kerio'yes, we'd like to start using cloudflare on our domain, it's "com". do you think we'll need an enterprise plan for it?'21:24
lufkerio: (cssu stable): E: Version '0.7.20.2maemo13.2+0cssu1' for 'apt' was not found21:40
lufkerio: My fault.21:41
kerio?21:41
lufI'm watching Davis cup ... SUI x CZE 5. set and 22:21 ...21:41
lufNever ending story. I forget to add cssu stable repo21:42
kerio:D21:42
luf7 hours of tenis ... it's begin to be boring ...21:44
lufWe win!21:45
* kerio /whoises luf to figure out his nationality21:47
kerioyay cz21:47
lufW: Failed to fetch http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org/community/dists/fremantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages  404 Not Found [IP: 37.59.41.108 80]21:47
keriomadness21:47
keriotry using skeiron21:47
luf~skeiron21:47
kerioskeiron.org/repo/community/21:48
lufIt doesn't work for me neither :(22:09
thedead1440luf did you check the url? Its supposed to be: http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/community/22:09
lufBTW it seems there is no non-free :)22:10
keriowhoops22:10
lufthedead1440: I also tried this.22:10
thedead1440gives a hashsum mismatch?22:10
kerioluf: use merlin1991's apt-mirror community thingy22:10
keriomaemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/community22:10
lufthedead1440: no I can't scroll now. MMNT22:12
luf99% [10 Translation-cs gzip 0] [Waiting for headers]gzip: invalid magic22:14
lufIgn http://skeiron.org fremantle/non-free Translation-cs22:14
lufBut there is no non-free22:14
kerioluf: use merlin's22:15
lufI see but it doesn't help with: E: Version '3.90.7-9' for 'modest' was not found22:16
lufhttp://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/community/pool/fremantle/free/m/modest/22:16
lufSo I'm not able to install older cssu stable :(22:17
kerio:(22:17
keriowhy do you need the older cssu stable?22:18
lufI want to reproduce one obexd error (reported by pinochio on TMO)22:20
keriotell him to update22:21
arcean_IIRC pinochio uses the latest stable cssu22:25
lufkerio: cssu-s 3 doesn't have issue with obexd 0.46. But newer cssu-s has the issue.22:31
lufI tried to imagine what is the difference :(22:32
kerio...so check the changes in obexd and bluez22:32
lufkerio: no change22:32
keriowhat's the problem?22:32
lufkerio: stop working OPP profile which I didn't touched.22:32
kerioOPP?22:32
lufI go through the cssu-s changelog and see no relevant change :(22:33
lufkerio: push files22:33
lufkerio: It's send file ... functionality22:33
lufhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5911422:33
keriohe probably started noticing the problem after -Smaemo322:34
lufYes.22:34
arcean_luf: ohh crap, there's another person with this problem on Polish forum22:37
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lufarcean_: It's like a ghost.22:38
arcean_luf: they said, they noticed the problem after this upgrade: http://fpaste.org/vMsx/22:38
lufIs the polish guy able to better describe the situation?22:38
arcean_I'll email him22:39
lufarcean_: And what problem he faced?22:39
lufarcean: can you send me a link to polish forum?22:40
arcean_luf: he's not able to send files via bluetooth to his notebook with windows722:41
arcean_ie22:41
arcean_since stable 4.1 only original nokia obexd is working22:41
lufThat's sound like pinochio :)22:41
luf* That sounds ...22:41
arcean_yeah, pretty much :)22:42
lufarcean: can you send me a link to the polish forum?22:43
arcean_sure, http://meegoforum.pl/post4539.html#p453922:43
arcean_pinochio and kownas users :)22:43
lufarcean_: BTW the update you send in pastebin is from testing ...22:44
arcean_then I have nfc what cssu version he has on device :)22:45
lufarcean_: the pulseaudio update is mine ;) And AFAIK isn't in stable still.22:46
arcean_maybe his Win7 is screwed ? :D22:48
arcean_hmm22:48
arcean_ok, tomorrow I'm going to check this with win7 and win8 PCs22:49
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lufarcean: It seems to me that it's using L2CAP (as usually RFCOMM).22:50
lufBut I don't understand why it stops working :(  CSSU-S 4.1: * Recompiled thumb binaries as non-thumb22:51
lufarcean: Also noone report this issue with testing :(22:53
lufExcept pinochio (for sure)22:53
arcean_and the second guy (kownas)22:53
arcean_but as I said earlier, I think it's more about Windows than cssu/obexd/whatever else :D22:54
lufarcean_: I'm affraid it's not ... The same problem is with newer bluez :(22:55
lufarcean_: the problem is with widcomm bluetooth stack on win side.22:56
arcean_hmm22:57
arcean_then why it works with old nokia obexd22:57
lufarcean_: There is no L2CAP support for OPP ;)22:58
lufBut I'm not sure.22:58
wumpwoastHey, has anyone made dummy icd connections that tie into wpasupplicant?22:59
wumpwoasttrying to get cisco leap wpa-enterprise working, and nokia's normal wireless profiles don't support it22:59
wumpwoastbut wpasupplicant does22:59
keriohow would DUMMY fix that?22:59
wumpwoastI presumed a dummy profile could maybe call a script that calls wpasupplican23:00
kerioi'm not sure libicd-network-null has something for that23:00
keriocan't you do something similar with ifup.d?23:01
wumpwoastdoes bringing an int online with ifup.d send the relevant events so you see the little "wireless" icon as online?23:01
keriowumpwoast: no, i mean that you'd get ICD2 to connect to the network, and then you run wpasupplicant from a script in ifup.d, if the ssid matches23:02
kerioi'm not sure if it would work, i have no idea of how wpasupplicant works and when it should work23:02
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wumpwoastkerio: if ifup.d scripts run when you touch the proper network icon, then this might be worth trying23:03
wumpwoastappreciate the help!23:04
keriowumpwoast: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2109498 this is my /etc/network/if-up.d/50_wifi_autologin23:05
keriobut i don't know when wpa_supplicant is supposed to run23:05
keriothis is after dhcp has kicked in23:05
wumpwoastwpasupplicant needs to run pre-dhcp. So your idea likely works if I use an if-pre-up.d script23:07
kerioooh, probably!23:07
kerioneat23:07
wumpwoastthe order goes: iwconfig essid, wpasupplicant, dhcp.23:08
keriowumpwoast: also, look at the other scripts too, to figure out how to get values from the networking UI and stuff23:08
kerioif you want/need them23:08
wumpwoastfor some reason I didn't think icd hooked into the /etc/network scripts. Very happy that it does :)23:09
keriowumpwoast: having a UI for wpa enterprise would be better23:18
keriodammit, where's jonwil when you need him23:18
keriowumpwoast: do those networks appear in the list as wpa networks?23:19
lufpali, freemangordon: where is KP git?23:19
Paliluf, on garage23:20
Palior on cssu gitorious23:20
Palis/or/and/23:20
infobotPali meant: and on cssu gitorious23:20
lufThere is kernel-cssu on cssu gitorious ...23:20
Palisee kernel-power branch23:21
lufAhh, ok. thanks.23:21
lufPali: are there some bluetooth patches?23:23
keriowumpwoast: it's a good enough conversation for the public channel :)23:23
keriowumpwoast: what does the password you put in do?23:23
Paliluf, yes23:24
lufPali: hmmm you touched l2cap and we have problems with l2cap :) Maybe it's not coincident ... :D23:24
lufmerlin1991: ping23:25
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wumpwoastkerio: not sure what you mean. I configure my password in the setup screen23:26
wumpwoastit tries to connect for a little while and then I get a "failed to connect" message23:26
keriowumpwoast: yeah but the password is used to... connect to the network as if it's a wpa-personal network?23:26
kerioshould there even be a password request there?23:26
wumpwoastno, this would be back to an auth server of some kind (radius probably)23:27
kerioi'm not sure if running wpa_supplicant after it's been ran by ICD2 (presumably) would work23:27
keriobut hey, you might as well try23:27
lufPali: did you test bluetooth-fix-potential-bad-memory-access-with-sysfs-files.diff somehow?23:27
wumpwoastI tried running wpa_supplicant, looking for an online event in dbus-scripts23:27
wumpwoastand that didn't work23:27
wumpwoastit saw the event and appeared to run wpa_supplicant but... no dice.23:28
keriowumpwoast: well, wpa_supplicant is also used for wpa-personal, right?23:29
kerioand it appears that libicd-network-wlan doesn't have source :(23:29
wumpwoastfor the normal nokia icd connections? no...23:29
wumpwoastn900's wpa stuff does not seem to use wpasupplicant23:29
wumpwoasti've used wpasupplicant for wpa-personal on n900, but normal nokia icd works fine for that purpose. :)23:30
keriowumpwoast: well, you can still make yourself a script that does iwconfig, wpasupplicant, dhcpc, route23:30
kerioand then run the DUMMY network so maemo apps are happy23:30
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Paliluf, that patch was backported by freemangordon23:31
Paliluf, ask freemangordon23:31
wumpwoastkerio: that's precisely my goal. if icd thinks it's online so I can start skype, then I'm happy23:31
keriohoooooooooold on23:31
kerioapparently you can just set up a wpa enterprise network23:32
* kerio feels dumb23:32
wumpwoastyes, but that doesn't seem to work with cisco leap wireless :(23:32
wumpwoastit works on other wpa-enterprise infrastructure, but not the cisco stuff I have now.23:33
kerio"Cisco itself is phasing out LEAP due to weaknesses found in its security model. Therefore Maemo has no plans to support it."23:33
kerioFUCKING NOKIA23:33
WizardNumberNextwumpwoast: sell cisco, get something normal, become rich man23:33
lufPali: can you help me if the patch is also in kernel-cssu? I'm a little bit lost.23:34
keriowumpwoast: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365523:34
povbotBug 3655: EAP-LEAP (Cisco) not supported23:34
wumpwoastwhich is why I'm out in the weeds messing with wpasupplicant :)23:34
kerio\_o_/23:35
wumpwoastWizardNumberNext: heart is warmed. :)23:35
kerioanyway, libicd-network-null will let you make a fake connection so that maemo apps are happy23:35
luffreemangordon: ping23:35
kerioin the meantime, you configure the ip stack as you'd like23:35
lufkerio: same as dummy ;)23:35
kerioi don't think there's a way to make dummy/null run a script when you connect - it would be neat, though23:36
Paliluf, I do not know23:36
WizardNumberNextI use real coputer for 802.11g serving (two networks) and I am quite sure, that it is much cheaper, then cheapest CISCO you can find23:36
Palilook at git history23:36
kerioWizardNumberNext: technically linksys is cisco now23:37
WizardNumberNextkerio: technically liksys works and is much cheaper; technically my server is PentherSolutions now!23:38
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wumpwoastappreciate the help guys. I'll poke my head in once I've got scripts and documentation for this that are tested/working.23:39
lufPali: I see KP commits in master branch so I'm not able to identify if it's in kernel-cssu or not :( Any hint?23:41
Paliluf, last commit in master branch is merge from kernel-power23:41
Palilook at previous commits23:41
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merlin1991luf Pali pong23:50
lufmerlin1991: do you remember the bluez-4.99 environment you prepared for me?23:50
merlin1991yes23:51
merlin1991atm it's not ready though23:51
lufWhat kernel is there?23:51
merlin1991(because I'm not at home)23:51
merlin1991stock23:51
lufmerlin1991: Isn't there cssu or kp?23:51
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Palimerlin1991, look: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/apt/merge_requests/123:52
merlin1991luf: nope23:59

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