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| merlin1991 | reading rfcs, always fun | 00:27 |
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| merlin1991 | hm mergerequest looks sane | 00:33 |
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| gregoa | merlin1991: this funny Calendar application doesn't have many cluons about RFCs, cf. e.g. #10218 | 01:57 |
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| merlin1991 | hm what's 10218? | 01:57 |
| gregoa | I thought some bot would expand it; in all it's glory: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10218 | 01:58 |
| povbot_ | Bug 10218: importing an ical file does not create any events on the newly created calendar | 01:58 |
| gregoa | ah, now. silly bot. | 01:58 |
| merlin1991 | hm shouldn't we implemnt 5545 as opposed to 2445 in your bug report? | 01:59 |
| merlin1991 | (rfc that is) | 01:59 |
| gregoa | no idea, I only looked into 2445 at that time :) | 02:00 |
| merlin1991 | ah well 5545 is "kinda" new, october 2009 | 02:00 |
| merlin1991 | 5545 obsoletes 2445 | 02:00 |
| gregoa | but the fact is that Calendar fails to import half of all the existing (and valid, TTBOMK) ics files | 02:00 |
| merlin1991 | well maybe we can get tempura to work on the importer aswell ;) | 02:01 |
| merlin1991 | I guess the importer is also in the backend code | 02:01 |
| gregoa | that was my hope :) | 02:02 |
| gregoa | seems like 5545 is the same or similar with regard to this problem (DTEND/DURATION) | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | though it kinda feels dirty to hack on the calendar backend when we can't fix the gui :/ | 02:05 |
| merlin1991 | fsckd closed packges | 02:05 |
| * gregoa is not mentiong the embarrassing fact that you can't even subscribe to same online ical/ics file in this Calendar crap | 02:06 | |
| * merlin1991 is not sure he undedrstand "same" correctly | 02:06 | |
| merlin1991 | same as to which ? | 02:06 |
| gregoa | merlin1991: ack, this close Calendar is a shame. I guess it's closed source because it was written by some intern 5 minutes before the release, and nokia was ashamed to publish it | 02:06 |
| gregoa | merlin1991: same as the "old" 2445 | 02:07 |
| merlin1991 | hm now I'm completely lost, maybe rephrase the complaint? | 02:08 |
| gregoa | which one? :) | 02:09 |
| merlin1991 | -*- gregoa is not mentiong the embarrassing fact that you can't even subscribe to same online ical/ics file in this Calendar crap | 02:09 |
| merlin1991 | I'm completely at loss here :D | 02:09 |
| gregoa | ah. this one. that's a separate one from the importing FAIL. | 02:09 |
| gregoa | AFAIK (unless I've missed something), this Calendar doesn't have an option to subscribe to online calendars/ics/vcal files | 02:10 |
| gregoa | which exists in all calendar programs I've seen since many years | 02:10 |
| gregoa | (and "same" should have been "some". sorry.) | 02:11 |
| merlin1991 | ah so that should be /same/some/ | 02:11 |
| merlin1991 | now it makes sense :D | 02:11 |
| gregoa | right :) | 02:11 |
| merlin1991 | yeah true, that feature is really missing | 02:11 |
| merlin1991 | sadly something that will be hard to implement | 02:11 |
| merlin1991 | maybe we can get jonwil to re the ui, but I don't think so | 02:12 |
| gregoa | right, that's hard without the source :) | 02:12 |
| gregoa | in theory it should be possible to write or port a decent calendar program; but Someone™ would have to do it | 02:12 |
| merlin1991 | yeah and it needs to be plugged on top of our calendar backend so that the exchange and whatnot syncs work with it, and it needs to be hildonized :/ | 02:13 |
| warfare | the problem is, that there _is_ no decent calendar program for unix. | 02:13 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 02:14 |
| gregoa | ack, using the same backends and databases is a must; I wouldn't care about hildon or gtk or qt or whatever | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | been looking for a long time before I gave up | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | well qt kinda overloads the n900 | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | especially if you make something as complex as a calendar | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | not to mention how bad the qt.quick aka qml support is on our beloved maemo5 | 02:15 |
| gregoa | well, even the old and ugly and whatnot gpe-calendar is better funtionality-wise than Nokia's Calendar | 02:15 |
| gregoa | the existing Calendar is also fucking slow, I can't imagine any Qt program to be even slower | 02:15 |
| merlin1991 | what do you use? | 02:15 |
| merlin1991 | (on your pc that is) | 02:16 |
| gregoa | on my pc? nothing. why would a I need a calendar on the pc if I have an n900? :) | 02:16 |
| merlin1991 | dunno, maybe you have it in sync with your workplace your fridge and whatnot | 02:16 |
| merlin1991 | everything is possible ;) | 02:17 |
| gregoa | (I guess I have the old and abandoned and obsolete "dates" programm still installed) | 02:17 |
| merlin1991 | but yeah, I'm using the calendar on the n9 and that's it | 02:17 |
| gregoa | in fact I have syneco also on my pc, so the calendar and contacts data are there; but I don't use a frontend to access them | 02:17 |
| gregoa | *syncevo | 02:18 |
| merlin1991 | heh, I don't have a mail client here yet, which one is it going to be? | 02:19 |
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| gregoa | merlin1991: mutt, of course. is there any other useful MUA? | 02:21 |
| warfare | emacs vm. | 02:21 |
| merlin1991 | hm does mutt do imap idle? | 02:21 |
| gregoa | merlin1991: hm, no idea about IDLE; except that it's a pain for the IMAP server :) | 02:22 |
| merlin1991 | it's my server and it has "load average: 0.05, 0.05, 0.00", so it can do something for me :D | 02:22 |
| gregoa | (in terms of open connections) | 02:22 |
| gregoa | ok, just make sure (depending on wich IMAP daemon you use) that it handles enough connections | 02:23 |
| merlin1991 | it's just 1 account on the server | 02:24 |
| gregoa | I don't remember the details but I had to set the concurrent connections number from 40 to something higher on a server with ~15 accounts because the limit was reached. maybe to many gadgets/person or whatever ... | 02:26 |
| gregoa | and I fail to see the reason for keeping a TCP connection open "just because" | 02:27 |
| gregoa | (as if checking/syncing every x minutes wouldn't be enough) | 02:27 |
| chem|st | .muttrc => imap_passive | 02:27 |
| chem|st | gregoa: ^^ default is yes | 02:29 |
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| merlin1991 | hm muttrc config is weird to me | 02:29 |
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| gregoa | chem|st: right, just checked in the mutt manual :) (and I'm not using IMAP in mutt, and I've switched offlineimap against sync-mail-dir in general) | 02:30 |
| gregoa | chem|st: the server problems didn't come from mutt users :) | 02:30 |
| chem|st | ah | 02:30 |
| chem|st | I use imap | 02:31 |
| chem|st | devices with android are a pain on the serverside | 02:32 |
| gregoa | what are they doing? | 02:32 |
| chem|st | 40open connections with 5 IPs from a single account | 02:32 |
| chem|st | the guy was walking roaming the campus | 02:32 |
| gregoa | oh, nice :) yes, might have been (part of) what I've seen | 02:32 |
| chem|st | I can tell where he was as I may triangulate the accesspoints he used | 02:33 |
| chem|st | at least the leaving and entering points of his track | 02:34 |
| gregoa | so much for total surveillance :) | 02:34 |
| chem|st | wait for IPv6... they are thinking about giving people a namespace at birth | 02:35 |
| gregoa | wahat do you mean by "wait"? ipv6 exists since ~10 years :) | 02:35 |
| gregoa | -a | 02:35 |
| chem|st | wait for consumer distribution | 02:36 |
| gregoa | yeah, sure | 02:36 |
| merlin1991 | hm can't get mutt to use the imap mailbox | 02:36 |
| merlin1991 | or I'm just retarded | 02:36 |
| chem|st | pastbin your config | 02:36 |
| merlin1991 | argh | 02:38 |
| merlin1991 | had to use c | 02:38 |
| chem|st | well you need some like "set spoolfile = {mail.yourdomain.org/ssl}inbox" and "set imap_user = your user" | 02:39 |
| chem|st | maybe a folder... | 02:39 |
| chem|st | set folder imaps://mail.yourdomain.org/INBOX | 02:40 |
| merlin1991 | yeah I used set folder | 02:40 |
| merlin1991 | but it doesn't "autoopen" it | 02:40 |
| merlin1991 | when I fire up mutt it just says "no mailbox" | 02:41 |
| gregoa | and what is "mailbox ..." set to? | 02:42 |
| merlin1991 | nothing because I have nfc about mutt config files and just reading the manpage :D | 02:43 |
| chem|st | that is fine | 02:43 |
| chem|st | I had that when setting mailboxes = imaps://mail.yourdomain.org/INBOX | 02:43 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: there is a config generator online somewhere | 02:44 |
| merlin1991 | found it | 02:45 |
| chem|st | imprtant is that spoolfile is set before user and user before folder | 02:45 |
| chem|st | afair | 02:45 |
| gregoa | yeah, mutt is a typical unix program: you can do all kinds of funky things with it, you you also need quite some time to get it running | 02:46 |
| gregoa | s/you/but/ | 02:47 |
| infobot | gregoa meant: yeah, mutt is a typical unix program: but can do all kinds of funky things with it, you you also need quite some time to get it running | 02:47 |
| chem|st | gregoa: I have like a foldertree for my configs to not have everything in one file... to find what I need without grepping | 02:47 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: if you need help with it I may paste you mine and help you clean it to your needs | 02:48 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: that would be usefull, if you're using imap aswell :D | 02:49 |
| gregoa | chem|st: yeah, I also also have a .mutt/ dir with quite some files, shared across all linux machines I use :) | 02:50 |
| Skry | first I see merlin1991 switch to awesome, and now he is configuring mutt.. welcome to the dark side :) | 02:50 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | Skry: well till today I ran xfce with a bazillion shell windows | 02:51 |
| gregoa | merlin1991 is using awesome? cool! welcome to the bright side :) | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | so I thought what the heck I'll use a tiling wm | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | and I've been playing around with awesome about 2 years ago and liked it, so I went straight to awesome | 02:52 |
| gregoa | \o/ | 02:52 |
| merlin1991 | the default debian config for awesome sucks though :D | 02:52 |
| merlin1991 | had to adjust it quite a bit | 02:52 |
| merlin1991 | but I like the way awesome implements "tags" | 02:53 |
| gregoa | right, the "default" config (or: not-config) of many nice tools sucks. | 02:54 |
| merlin1991 | I need to get the nvidia driver running though | 02:54 |
| merlin1991 | noveau in debian-testing doesn't really like my geforce | 02:55 |
| merlin1991 | but my first attempt the debian way resulted in no x starting xD | 02:55 |
| merlin1991 | ah yeah I ditched kubuntu 2 days ago for debian ;) | 02:55 |
| * gregoa congratulates merlin1991 very heavily :) | 02:56 | |
| chem|st | merlin1991: nouvea is BS last time I tested | 02:56 |
| chem|st | install the closed ones but the debian way | 02:57 |
| merlin1991 | that only worked on stable | 02:57 |
| merlin1991 | I boot into a black screen :D | 02:57 |
| gregoa | merlin1991: in general, unstable is also fine (with apt-listbugs installed). at the moment (because of the freeze) there are not many differences but in general using fixed packages is nicer | 02:57 |
| Skry | I have have age old 7600GT and nouveau is still not working good enough for everyday use :\ | 02:58 |
| Skry | but yeah, awesome is awesome, though I've now settled with spectrwm, awesome had so much features I dont need. | 03:00 |
| merlin1991 | heh mutt is trolling me: gnutls_handshake: An unexpected TLS packet was received. | 03:18 |
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| kerio | would the shipment of a nullified "cherry" package be considered an act of war against nokia? | 13:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, some users *might* want to _keep_ myNokia (hard to believe, but...) | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we should neuter the compulsive registration though | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will only benefit 0.1%, since other 99.9% already sent that SMS when they install CSSU, but nevertheless | 16:28 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: so... do whatever notmynokia does, pretty much? | 16:28 |
| kerio | aiui having a blank .cherry_state will make cherry stfu, but will still let you access the mynokia entry in Settings | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, exactly _not_, since notmynokia also removes the MyNokia button in sysmenu | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or settings or where it been | 16:29 |
| kerio | does it? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think it does, yes | 16:29 |
| kerio | ugh :S | 16:30 |
| * kerio votes it down | 16:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 16:31 |
| kerio | it changes files belonging to other packages | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's what it's supposed to do | 16:32 |
| kerio | no, you're supposed to divert them away | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq | 16:32 |
| kerio | and even then, it's still not a good thing and should be done veeeeeeeeery carefully | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd prefer to get dat shite nuked off my device and out of this universe | 16:33 |
| kerio | so get dat shite nuked off | 16:33 |
| kerio | Conflicts: cherry; Provides: cherry; Replaces: cherry | 16:33 |
| kerio | 0 files | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 16:33 |
| kerio | 0 bugs | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only feasible in cssu | 16:34 |
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| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: repos working fully yet? | 17:27 |
| Lava_Croft | as in, is it smart to try and update, or would you recommend waiting some more | 17:27 |
| Lava_Croft | dont want to stress anything needlessly | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, it will take ages but should work | 17:27 |
| Lava_Croft | heh, i forgot, are extras and extras-devel fremantle or fremantle-1.3 | 17:28 |
| Lava_Croft | nvm, i wiki'd | 17:28 |
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| kerio | Lava_Croft: just use extras-devel-light | 17:34 |
| kerio | it's much better | 17:34 |
| tadzik | is it on r.m.o too? | 17:53 |
| kerio | no, it's on merlin1991's server | 17:53 |
| kerio | it's a mirror that only hosts the latest versions | 17:54 |
| kerio | and supports pdiffs | 17:54 |
| tadzik | cool | 17:54 |
| kerio | extras-devel.merlin1991.at | 17:54 |
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| Lava_Croft | wauw, updating indeed takes long :D | 19:37 |
| Lava_Croft | oh well, no hurry | 19:37 |
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