IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Wednesday, 2013-01-23

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DocScrutinizer05Morning!11:12
DocScrutinizer05(our friends at big N)>>11:12
DocScrutinizer05If I may, one additional question: As GPG supports expiration date11:12
DocScrutinizer05extension, is it possible to just update the GPG key expiration date in11:12
DocScrutinizer05the N900 device as well?11:12
DocScrutinizer05In other words, if we'd update the key in the Akamai/SSU end (this is11:12
DocScrutinizer05already done), and then we'd update the key in the N900 device, would11:12
DocScrutinizer05that still keep the trust chain intact so stuff could be downloaded to11:12
DocScrutinizer05the device from the SSU?11:12
DocScrutinizer05<<11:12
jonwilThe root issue is that there is only one way to get things onto a stock N900 right now and that's from a repo signed with that one special Nokia key (assuming Nokia still has it)11:13
DocScrutinizer05I'd answer "yes, but how?"11:14
* DocScrutinizer05 summons Pali11:15
DocScrutinizer05how's N900 determining that the key expired?11:15
DocScrutinizer05particularly: would it help to set system clock to 2010?11:16
thedead1440I think not as it will sync with server time11:16
DocScrutinizer05YAY11:17
DocScrutinizer05would've been too simple11:17
thedead1440:D11:17
DocScrutinizer05so what's been your results regarding that magic key that never expires, could they sign the repo with it and it would work?11:18
thedead1440i think so because on Harmattan the key used for repos has no expiry date too and it works11:18
thedead1440maybe they realized not to put an expiry date hence HARM won't have this issue according to Jonni11:19
thedead1440so using a key with no expiry date on N900s would not have issues too AFAIK11:19
DocScrutinizer05DAMN, which fool quoted full mail on wiki??11:22
DocScrutinizer05*SIGH*11:23
kerioDocScrutinizer05: there's no such thing as a "chain" of trust for apt-secure11:23
kerioand the key isn't communicated11:23
keriothe way it works is that repositories usually ship their own key in a package11:23
DocScrutinizer05I'm thoroughly pissed11:23
kerioand that package is updated long before the key is set to expire11:24
kerioDocScrutinizer05: how does one delete confidential content from a wiki?11:24
DocScrutinizer05do you think I'm too stupid to post shit on wiki myself?11:24
DocScrutinizer05kerio: good luck with that11:24
kerioare deleted pages' histories kept?11:25
thedead1440it wasn't me; just saying...11:25
DocScrutinizer05congrats to whomever been that fool11:25
DocScrutinizer05yes, and evetually I'll check the history to find out11:26
DocScrutinizer05why didn't you add a linkedin-link?11:26
DocScrutinizer05>:-(11:26
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: only me then you then kerio and after than 212.186.52.166 has edited it11:26
thedead1440s/than/that/11:27
infobotthedead1440 meant: DocScrutinizer05: only me then you then kerio and after that 212.186.52.166 has edited it11:27
kerioDocScrutinizer05: where was the email quoted?11:28
DocScrutinizer05meh, nm. i should take an out time11:36
kerio?11:36
DocScrutinizer05sorry11:36
keriodid you confuse your mail and the wiki?11:36
DocScrutinizer05my fault11:36
DocScrutinizer05kinda11:36
kerioi'd go to sleep11:36
DocScrutinizer05yep11:36
DocScrutinizer05anyway, I quoted matti's last mail above, if you have a good answer to send back to him, forward it to me please11:38
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jonwilAnyone here know what the license for libcpaboutcssu happens to be? I cant find any license attached to it...16:09
merlin1991then (c) Mag16:12
merlin1991jonwil: why do you need to know that?16:12
jonwilbecause I may want to use it as an easy starting point for cloning libcpinternetsettings (i.e. it already has makefile, debian packaging, etc etc ready to go for a control panel applet and its easy to base from :)16:13
merlin1991to be sure you can ask mag, but I bet he has no problem if you slap a gpl header onto your copy16:14
jonwilhmmm, looks like osso-applet-display is even easier to use as a base :)16:14
jonwiland thats already GPL16:14
jonwilso lets use that :)16:14
jonwilfirst though I need to confirm exactly what my target(s) are by checking some dependency info on these packages16:15
jonwilI suspect part of the work will mean updating libconnui-dev :)16:16
jonwilsince I doubt it supports all the functions I will need :P16:16
freemangordonjonwil: don't use autotools, merlin1991 and Pali will moan :D16:21
jonwilI have no plan to use autotools16:21
freemangordonok16:21
jonwilosso-applet-display does not use it so I wont16:21
merlin1991freemangordon:  :D16:22
jonwildamn, I cant find the package name I want16:23
jonwilI dont see it listed in the reverse dependencies for hildon-control-panel16:23
jonwilLets see if its in the reverse dependencies for libconnui16:24
jonwilok, its connui-iapsettings that has what I want in it :)16:26
jonwilok, question for the CSSU guys, connui-iapsettings contains 3 different binaries. For CSSU purposes can I create a clone of one and not of the other 2 or do we need to replace the entire package?16:30
merlin1991hm what's the (c) on the package?16:38
jonwilits closed source so I suspect its the standard (c) nokia stuff16:38
keriojonwil: (c) Nokia we can rehost, i think16:39
merlin1991there's only a problem if it's (c) not nokia16:39
kerioif it's not, clone everything :P16:39
jonwillibconnui_iapsettings.so isn't exactly easy to clone16:39
kerioor do the usual divert thing16:40
jonwilbut that said, I should take a look at it anyway16:40
jonwiland confirm just how hard it might be to do16:40
jonwilalthough a good place to start might be connui-iapsettings-gprs since thats what started this whole thing16:40
jonwilthe desire to be able to do more with GPRS AP configuration without needing to use gconf16:40
jonwilthat one is only a 9k ARM binary :)16:41
jonwilbad news is that it exports 2 functions with no known signature, at least one of which seems to take a data structure of unknown format16:42
jonwilthis damn connectivity UI has been a thorn in my side ever since I first found out it existed :(16:44
jonwilif only https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11923 had been able to be resolved somehow... :P16:50
povbot_Bug 11923: release header files for libconnui,libconnui-cellular,libconbtui0,connui-conndlgs16:50
jonwilbut unfortunately it never went anywhere :(16:51
jonwilNeither did my plan to somehow acquire that copy of ARM Hex-Rays :P17:02
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keriomerlin1991: community-testing-light pls19:54
merlin1991kerio: relax pls20:00
kerionah20:00
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merlin1991kerio: I can give you comunity-testing-light but it will have an AAAA dns entry20:09
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kerionoooo :c20:10
kerioi don't have ipv620:10
keriowould it still go on the same server?20:11
lufmerlin1991: Nice punishment for kerio :D20:11
merlin1991yes20:11
keriothen go right ahead20:11
merlin1991only someone on tmo reported weird issues with cssu-devel because of hte AAAA entry20:11
kerioperhaps it's best to not use AAAA entries then20:13
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merlin1991hm lets see20:16
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merlin1991kerio: http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/20:32
kerioname = Communit SSU20:32
merlin1991fixed20:33
merlin1991full setup, signed by my key, onle the latest and greatest with daily cronjob20:34
kerio^_^20:34
keriomerlin1991: downloads.maemo.nokia.com-light pls20:35
merlin1991don't have a copy20:35
keriohow would someone mirror that?20:35
kerioi never found a way to access it outside of apt on the n90020:35
merlin1991you just need user + pw for it20:35
keriofirefox doesn't even ask for the password20:36
merlin1991it does not challange for it20:36
merlin1991you need to send it first hand20:36
keriofirefox still doesn't make it work20:37
merlin1991firefox is not exactly intelligent20:38
merlin1991wget with --no-auth-challange works20:38
keriocurl too20:39
merlin1991I suggested wget because quite a few distributions don't ship curl by default20:40
merlin1991(ie maemo doesn't even build the binary)20:40
keriothat's why you install it20:40
keriobecause curl > wget20:40
kerioalthough "curl" < "wget"20:40
merlin1991yep :D20:42
merlin1991curl -O > wget ;)20:42
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merlin1991btw kerio downloads.maemo.nokia.com is light already20:47
kerioi guess20:48
merlin1991it's only repo.maemo.org which is kinda retarded20:48
lufmerlin1991: maemo+cssu has curl AFAIK21:17
merlin1991yes21:18
merlin1991but not without cssu21:18
lufYeah. I never understood why.21:18
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keriocurl is optional21:34
kerioit's not even in the metapackage21:37
kerioDMNC only hosts libcurl3 because that's what's needed21:38
keriousers aren't supposed to touch the terminal, or something like that21:39
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merlin1991oh shit, my server is soon to hit the monthly trafic "limit" :D22:18
merlin1991this month it already transmitted 1/8 of last years traffic :D22:18
kerio:c22:29
keriowill you have to pay money?22:29
merlin1991nah22:29
keriothen what kind of limit is it?22:29
merlin1991also I just realized that I'M far far away from the limit22:30
merlin1991friggin smal fonts22:30
merlin1991, and . can be mistaken then22:30
merlin1991limit is 10.000 GB22:30
merlin1991still last year was ~800GB now reaching 100GB just for jannuary :D22:38
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merlin1991freemangordon: when do you think you'll ship the next cssu-thumb?22:57
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MrPingumerlin1991: 8 feb is he allowed to do so ;)23:55
MrPinguPromised me to not release a new thumb till my uptime is 30 days xP23:57
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keriowell, you don't *have* to upgrade23:57
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MrPingukerio: we both know we *have* to ;)23:59

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