IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Wednesday, 2012-12-26

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FIQ|n900hmm01:42
FIQ|n900I've orientation lock enabled to landscape, but some applications still rotate..?01:42
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arceanFIQ|n900, which ones?01:49
FIQ|n900arcean: phone stuff01:49
arceanok, that's by design01:50
FIQ|n900hmm ok01:50
arceanyou can change that in phone's settings01:50
FIQ|n900i see01:50
FIQ|n900done01:50
FIQ|n900ty01:50
arceannp :)01:51
FIQ|n900rotation isn't a seamless process01:52
FIQ|n900that's the biggest reason i want it completely landscape01:52
FIQ|n900and rotating while answering a call is a bit annoying01:56
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Lava_Croftscreen rotation on the n900 is one of those things that sounds great, but the execution just wants makes you want to shut down your n90002:19
Lava_Croftjust wants to make you* durrrr02:19
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DocScrutinizer05shoot down*02:51
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Lava_Croft'shooting down' an electronic device would only make sense if it tried to kill me or something02:57
Lava_Croftskynet orso02:57
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Lava_Croftalso, where am i going to get a new one then? :)02:58
Lava_Croftand shooting on christmas?02:58
Lava_Crofttsk02:58
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DocScrutinizer05ok :-)03:22
Lava_CroftIll do it the 27th03:23
Lava_Croft;)03:23
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: still awake?04:43
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DocScrutinizer05yup05:04
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^05:04
merlin1991pm05:05
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ThreeMhi there14:11
ThreeMis there any changelog vor 7.1 ?14:11
freemangordonThreeM: on TMO, wiki is broken atm14:11
ThreeMahh oki :(14:12
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BCMMwhat's the correct way to have CSSU and a real /usr/bin/top?14:56
BCMMapt-get says that installing procps will remove usybox-symlinks-procps and mp-fremantle-community-pr14:56
kerioBCMM: well, removing mp-fremantle-community-pr won't really remove CSSU14:57
BCMMis it not cssu's metapackage14:57
BCMMi mean, will i still get updates without it?14:57
kerionot from HAM14:57
BCMMhow, then?14:57
keriofrom apt, maybe14:58
kerioor you could reinstall the metapackage, update, install procps again every time14:58
BCMMi've been told not to do apt-get update on the n90014:58
BCMMdebian packages can depend on "one of these two packages", right? why can't it depend on procps or the bb symlink?14:58
kerioBCMM: one of them conflicts with the other14:59
BCMMkerio: i know, they provide the same files14:59
keriono, i mean14:59
keriobusybox-symlinks-procps has Conflicts: procps14:59
BCMMi know15:00
keriohrmpf, there's no equivs in the repos15:00
BCMMsorry, I'm slightly newbish on debian packaging, what are equivs?15:00
kerioBCMM: hold on, i'll make a fake busybox-symlinks-procps package15:00
kerioBCMM: a bunch of scripts to make dummy packages15:01
BCMMis that debian's way of recording that bb-s-p has the same functionality as procps?15:01
kerioBCMM: not quite, Conflicts tells dpkg to never have both installed at the same time15:01
keriobusybox-symlinks-procps also has Provides: procps15:01
kerioit tells dpkg that busybox-symlinks-procps fulfills dependencies on procps15:02
BCMMkerio: provides: procps means that a package requirong procps will be satisfied by bb s p?15:02
freemangordonkerio: OMP rotation in tasknav - how to reproduce?15:02
BCMMkerio: so why doesn't the metapackage just require procps? then it would work with either package, right?15:03
kerioBCMM: Provides can't specify a version15:03
BCMMah, i think i see now15:03
kerioand the metapackage depends on the updated version so that HAM can update busybox with all its extra packages15:03
kerioBCMM: the fix is to make a busybox-symlinks-procps dummy package with a high version that doesn't care about procps15:03
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BCMMand is it not possible for a package to depend on "one or the other of these packages"?15:04
kerio...actually, yes15:04
keriobut if you make the metapackage depend on "busybox-symlinks-procps (>= whatever version it needs) | procps" then the dependency would be fulfilled already, because busybox-symlinks-procps Provides procps15:05
BCMMsorry, the only comparable thing i'm really familiar with is Gentoo's "virtual/" system15:05
keriothe metapackage thing is just a bunch of bullshit, and not really what apt is supposed to work with15:05
BCMMwhat's the normal Debian way of saying, for example, "package requires a Java runtime but doesn't care which implementation is used"15:05
BCMM(for a reasonable common example)!?15:06
BCMM(sorry for !, on n900 kb)15:06
kerioBCMM: depend on a certain package name15:07
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if I could kick ass of dpkg / apt database with a hexeditor or whatever, to fix that shit15:08
kerioand the various JVMs would Provide it15:08
kerioDocScrutinizer05: just make a busybox-symlinks-procps package with a high version15:08
DocScrutinizer05nfc how to do that15:08
keriofreemangordon: do you have a box with equivs installed?15:08
DocScrutinizer05just know I got my MP deinstalled by procps15:08
DocScrutinizer05or camera-ui15:08
DocScrutinizer05or whatever15:08
BCMMkerio: ah, i see. same ideas as gentoo's virtual/ category; making sure individual packages don't have to mantain alternatives lists15:09
kerioBCMM: it's what kernel-power does, for instance15:09
BCMMkerio: provides the normal kernel, right?15:09
kerioit provides a bunch of kernel-feature- packages15:09
BCMMah, i see15:10
BCMMuh, why does the symlink package provide procps rather than the other way around, when the symlink package is the default?15:10
BCMMi mean, why doesn't procps provide: busybox-symlink-procps?15:11
keriobecause procps doesn't provide symlinks for busybox to act as procps :)15:11
BCMMfair enough15:11
kerioand a bunch of stuff in debian depends on procps15:12
DocScrutinizer05I want that friggin messybox just to drop and keep sticky stinky fingers off (proc)ps15:12
BCMMoh  i remember, you said the metapackage depends on the ymlink package because it wants to specify a version, not as an odd way of saying it needs a procps implementation15:12
keriothat, too15:13
BCMManother newbie question: why can't procps substitute BB's symlinks instead of conflicting with the package?15:13
BCMMsorry, forgot what the feature is called15:13
BCMMthat thing where you can replace another packages file, and it will get cleanly put back if you uninstall15:14
kerioprocps don't care, procps don't give a fuck15:14
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BCMM(i should know this, I used it to replace my boot video cleanly...)15:14
keriobesides, it's in the sdk/tools repo, so it shouldn't even be installed on normal n900s15:14
kerioBCMM: dpkg-divert, but that's not really the cleanest way to replace it :)15:14
BCMMwait, what? do i have a repo i shouldn't?15:14
kerioyou can remove the boot video package cleanly15:14
DocScrutinizer05well, tbh I probably would want procps to become gnuprocps15:15
kerioand add your own entry to /etc/hildon-welcome/15:15
DocScrutinizer05just like everything else - though it makes my ass bleed15:15
DocScrutinizer05lemme check sth15:16
BCMMkerio:  yes, but then my boot video package would complain of a conflict instead of just installing15:16
kerioBCMM: nah, there's a directory for entries, you can have multiple ones15:16
keriohildon-welcome is actually fairly decent in that regard15:16
keriogoddammit, why does equivs require this much stuff15:17
keriooh well15:18
BCMMkerio: yes, but multiple entries = multiple videos playing on boot15:18
kerioBCMM: so remove hildon-welcome-default-logo15:18
kerio:)15:18
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kerioi'm not sure if you can prompt the removal of a package from a .install15:19
DocScrutinizer05mv $(dpkg -L procps|grep /usr/bin/) /usr/bin/gnu/  ????15:19
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: /bin/ps15:19
DocScrutinizer05hmm ok, maybe there's sth missing, but was this a viable way to handle this shit?15:20
keriosure, but it becomes a manual install15:20
keriohell, at that point why not /usr/local?15:20
DocScrutinizer05I couldn't care less15:20
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DocScrutinizer05now for camrea-ui15:21
chem|stmoin15:21
keriomanual install for that, too15:21
DocScrutinizer05I got stock camera15:21
kerioi s'pose15:21
kerioDocScrutinizer05: divert /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch somewhere else in /opt maybe15:22
DocScrutinizer05I the fuck want to keep it, still do update to new T715:22
keriothen put your camera-ui.launch there15:22
chem|stcan s/o help me out on tmo, a guy is stuck with stabe upgrade and I have no idea apart of telling him to apt-get upgrade without any devel repos active15:22
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: apt-get install maemo-mp-cssu-stable ?15:23
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: sudo dpkg-divert /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch15:23
keriothen copy your old /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch there15:24
DocScrutinizer05we don't have a .launch for nicocam afaik15:24
keriofuture camera-ui installs will put that file in /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch.distrib15:24
keriowe do15:24
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: don't know if apt-get install -f will do the job as it is allready flagged for install15:24
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i think that the rest is about the same15:24
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: I'm lost15:24
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chem|stDocScrutinizer05: drunk again|still15:25
DocScrutinizer05ask kerio, he is a fool but he knows a shitload of apt and dpkg ;-)15:25
keriochem|st: who's the stuck guy?15:25
keriooh, "zero"15:26
chem|stkerio: it was with cssu-testing that you had to fix dependencies yourself as ham does not uninstall things15:26
chem|stbut I did not upgrade anything... might it be that he has testing?15:26
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hold on, you're still with the old camera-ui right?15:26
DocScrutinizer05not still, again15:27
keriosudo dpkg-divert --divert /opt/camera-ui.bullshit /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch15:27
keriosudo apt-get upgrade camera-ui15:27
DocScrutinizer05apt-get install camera-ui=<version>15:27
kerioyeah, yeah15:27
keriobut by diverting the .launch file away, you'll just stay with your current camera-ui.launch15:27
kerioas it upgrade15:28
kerios15:28
keriochem|st: we need the actual error message to help that guy15:28
kerio"please use nokia pc suite" can mean a ton of shit15:28
DocScrutinizer05I thought that's been killed in cssu HAM?15:29
DocScrutinizer05maybe not in S15:29
kerioi think that the error message is still the same, you just get the full error if you want15:29
chem|stnot in S15:29
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i has a dummy symlinks-procps package15:49
DocScrutinizer05if this helps me using T while still proper ps, I'm your thankful fan15:50
kerioDocScrutinizer05: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1405219/busybox-symlinks-procps_42_all.deb15:50
DocScrutinizer05damn your HTTPS !15:51
keriolol why u mad tho15:51
keriohttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/1405219/busybox-symlinks-procps_42_all.deb15:51
BCMMkerio: cool15:53
DocScrutinizer05mad cause15:53
DocScrutinizer05FEHLER: Fehler beim Prüfen des Zertifikates für dl.dropbox.com: unable to get local issuer certificate15:53
DocScrutinizer05Verwenden Sie »--no-check-certificate«, um zu dem Server »dl.dropbox.com« eine nicht gesicherte Verbindung aufzubauen.15:53
DocScrutinizer05Es ist nicht möglich, eine SSL-Verbindung herzustellen.15:53
DocScrutinizer05(and wget doesn't obey LANG=C)15:54
keriotry LC_ALL15:54
kerioanyway, the http link works fine too15:54
kerioand wget should really learn about ssl15:54
DocScrutinizer05I already figured that, thanks :-)15:54
BCMMkerio: btw the reasoning for my boot video is that the package installs without issues and disables those damn hands, and doesn't prevent removal of the hands package afterwarss15:54
kerioBCMM: yeah but what if i want both?15:55
DocScrutinizer05kerio: so what's the howto?15:55
DocScrutinizer05dpkg install, profit?15:55
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: install that .deb, be happy ever after15:55
kerioyep15:55
kerioit's just an empty busybox-symlinks-procps package at version 42:4215:56
DocScrutinizer05I gather I still need to reinstall MP15:56
kerioyes15:56
DocScrutinizer05k15:56
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DocScrutinizer05BM time15:57
DocScrutinizer05I first should get another coffee, to not die from boredom during this enterprise15:57
DocScrutinizer05BM: 15min, reinstall MP, probably 20min15:58
DocScrutinizer05find out if I still need to update T7 after that: rest of the day15:58
kerio15 minutes? what the eff15:58
keriohow is "reinstall MP" a 20 minute endeavour15:59
DocScrutinizer05boot plus full backup? sure15:59
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DocScrutinizer05because it will face me with all sorts of "DANGER, DOOM! I'll nuke your X, Y, CAM, $RANDOM"16:00
keriohave you diverted camera-ui.launch like i told you?16:00
DocScrutinizer05nope, I pondered going back to nicocam for now16:00
kerioso this is how much you trust me :s16:00
DocScrutinizer05I trust you16:00
DocScrutinizer05you're just too smart for me16:01
DocScrutinizer05;-)16:01
kerio...16:02
kerio¬.¬16:02
DocScrutinizer05I'd actually ponder how to link camera-ui into alternatives16:02
keriomake it a user-upgradeable package16:02
DocScrutinizer05the concept at least16:02
DocScrutinizer05lemme first check what would happen when I installed MP right now16:03
DocScrutinizer05sth wrong with internet today?16:07
DocScrutinizer05*cough*16:08
DocScrutinizer05THAT'S why I estimated 20min for "install MP": pastebin.com/5Tb8cF7B16:09
keriooh, because you haven't actually upgraded in a while16:09
keriolike, this update16:10
DocScrutinizer05WTF pavumeter16:10
kerioDocScrutinizer05: can .install files remove packages?16:11
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DocScrutinizer05err, not afaik16:12
DocScrutinizer05unless you get something in *install script doing that, or some conflicts will automatically remove pkgs16:13
kerioadd a stock-camera-ui package with the stock camera, make a page in the wiki with two .install files, one that removes stock-camera-ui and installs camera-ui, another that removes camera-ui and installs stock-camera-ui16:13
kerioi'm not sure that conflicts will remove packages in HAM16:13
kerioif so then it's even easier, make camera-ui and stock-camera-ui provide/replace/conflict with each other16:13
kerioand make them both user packages so they can be updated16:13
keriocamera-ui has to be nicocam at this point16:14
DocScrutinizer05kerio: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/meetings/2012-05-14.txt16:14
DocScrutinizer05you basically just sketched what we designed for alternative/optional CSSU pkgs16:15
DocScrutinizer05backing up opt - time:38016:32
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DocScrutinizer05luckily this works unattended16:33
DocScrutinizer05time:46016:34
DocScrutinizer05715s for opt16:38
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DocScrutinizer05ok, now for your awesome dummy pkg16:42
DocScrutinizer0542 \o/16:44
DocScrutinizer05must be the right thing :-)16:44
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: merlin1991: could you check http://paste.ubuntu.com/1467293/ please?16:52
DocScrutinizer05if it looks sane16:52
kerioDocScrutinizer05: if you're *that* worried, install the old mp and upgrade via HAM16:53
DocScrutinizer05you won't believe me, I already pondered that16:53
DocScrutinizer05but actually CBA now, just want this to finish16:54
keriolooks right16:54
kerioremember to reboot afterwards16:54
DocScrutinizer05do you see anything fishy?16:54
DocScrutinizer05yup, thanks16:54
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DocScrutinizer05yay: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1467313/17:02
DocScrutinizer05only about 10 minutes17:02
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the transitions.ini change should be an empty "whitelist = " entry at the end17:03
DocScrutinizer05WRF?! >>gconftool-2: I've been haxored to use xml::/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults as the config source.17:03
DocScrutinizer05WTF*17:03
DocScrutinizer05kerio: the diff showed about every single line different17:04
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah but the change from the old stock was the last17:04
DocScrutinizer05changed sequence, changed whitespace, whatnot17:04
DocScrutinizer05reboot time17:05
DocScrutinizer05dsmetool -b that is17:05
DocScrutinizer05trying to be nice17:06
keriojust REISUB dat shit17:06
DocScrutinizer05Tmaemo7.1 \o/17:09
DocScrutinizer05proper ps too17:09
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DocScrutinizer05~spell reisub17:09
infobotpossible spellings for reisub: reissue resin Reube resign rebus raisin reissued reissues res residua residue reuse rib rub sub resit resiny rehab rescue resume rhesus risen risque RBIs Re's Rees Risa Rois re's rise reside resp rest risk reason reused reuses roes rues Reese raise resew resow riser resat reset rises risky RSI Sib ribs rubs Rios Ros Ruby risible rouse ruby raiser wries Rosie raised raises Cebu rs zebu rusk rust Rae's Rea's Ree's Reeba ...17:09
DocScrutinizer05kerio: ^^^ pick yours17:10
DocScrutinizer05IOW: sorry?17:11
DocScrutinizer05or quite brittish: beg your pardon17:12
DocScrutinizer05-t17:12
keriohold alt+sysrq and then r (keyboard in xline mode), e (TERM everything), i (KILL everything), s (sync filesystems), u (remount everything read-only), b (reboot)17:13
keriomnemonic: reboot even if system utterly broken17:16
BCMMkerio: and where is the system request key on my n900?17:18
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kerioBCMM: \_o_/17:22
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DocScrutinizer05oh, sysreq, suuure17:35
* DocScrutinizer05 drills a hole into N900 to implant a sysreq key17:35
DocScrutinizer05aah BCMM beat me to it17:36
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BCMMDocScrutinizer05: have actually cursed the lack of sysrq more than once18:30
DocScrutinizer05BCMM: funny factoid: you *could* define a sysreq key in maemo kernel18:31
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DocScrutinizer05you should chose this one wisely though18:31
DocScrutinizer05it's disabled on purpose in default maemo config18:32
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: at build time? is that a normal kernel feature or a maemo patch? never noticed it in a regular menuconfig18:33
DocScrutinizer05there's some disabling echo 0>/proc/sysreq in preinit  iirc18:34
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: not sure i understand18:35
BCMMi know that proc node, it's for triggering magic without pressing keys, like over ssh18:36
BCMMah nm18:37
BCMMi'm thinking of sysrq-trigger, and that one's a bitmask of enabled sysrq magic18:38
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: i'm on kernel-power and have a /proc/sysrq-trigger but no /proc/sysrq18:39
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freemangordonthe fuck. how it is possible i am so stupid to not include pango in -thumb?!?19:01
DocScrutinizer05BCMM: I only have a cloudy memory of that stuff, seen it a while ago, noticed it, placed it into a category of "eventually you might return here" in my mind19:02
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: subsequently realised that the trigger is in /proc but the control interface is in a subdir19:05
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merlin1991arcean: ping19:21
freemangordonoh, not only pango, freetype too :(19:24
keriofreemangordon: would it have a huge impact?19:27
freemangordonI hope so19:27
freemangordonfreetype is font rendering afaik19:28
merlin1991yep19:28
keriofreemangordon: btw, you're still missing x11 with gcc 4.719:28
freemangordonI know, will play with it when everything else is ok19:29
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arceanmerlin1991: pong19:45
merlin1991see pm (which I'm writing atm)19:45
arceanok19:46
lufI'll not be available for the meeting today. I'll be available tomorrow.19:52
merlin1991damn19:53
merlin1991luf: see pm19:56
lufOur friends from Germany will visit us today ;) We see each other twice per year ...19:57
merlin1991ah well I guess that's more important than cssu bug meetings .D19:58
lufFor sure it is more important for me than weekly meeting (which maybe should be moved to tomorrow).19:59
arceantopic states that the meeting is tomorrow :P20:00
merlin1991that too20:01
lufAaaah I miss that :D Good for me.20:01
lufthx20:01
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DocScrutinizer05what friggin meeting today?21:42
DocScrutinizer05aaah, arcean already noticed that too21:42
freemangordonkerio: h-d tasknav bug confirmed, though I don;t know how to reproduce it reliably21:49
keriofreemangordon: two bugs actually - for one thing, sometimes the thumbnail isn't rotated, and some other times there's a bar on the right side (matching the one that used to be there on top before rotating)21:50
keriohow do i grab a screenshot from the commandline?21:50
freemangordoni took a picture with my second device, will post it in TMO21:51
freemangordonBTW microb is affected too21:51
keriofreemangordon: when are you going to compile fennec with gcc4.7, btw?21:52
keriofreemangordon: by both bugs?21:52
freemangordonkerio: both?21:52
keriothumbnail not rotating, and portrait thumbnail with artifact matching landscape menubar21:53
freemangordonI see only the second one21:53
freemangordonhow to reproduce first one?21:53
keriofreemangordon: open OMP, enter the artist view, open the tasknav and start rotating21:54
freemangordonhmm, nothing strange21:54
kerioheh, got both at the same time21:54
keriofreemangordon: try a couple of times21:54
freemangordonkerio: WFM, do you have forced rotation enabled?21:55
keriono21:55
freemangordonme too, but cannot reproduce it21:55
freemangordonkerio: however, I hope this is Qt thing, I am concerned about microb (not being Qt)21:56
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freemangordonarcean, what have you done :(22:00
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kerio<freemangordon> arcean, what have you done :(22:11
keriofreemangordon: yay pango22:15
freemangordonkerio: freetype to com shortly :)22:23
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freemangordonarcean: hi. h-d has a regression22:28
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arceanfreemangordon: then tell me about it :)22:33
freemangordonarcean: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1307992&postcount=104422:37
freemangordonthumbnail is drawn as if the application is in landscape. the same happened once with microb, but I am unable to reproduce it22:38
kerioarcean: not only that, i got it to display the correct thumbnail but at the wrong angle22:38
arceanabout the first - that's why we are fixing Qt22:38
kerioso it had a transparent part22:38
arceankerio: yes, I know about that too22:38
arceanI'm worried about microb part22:39
freemangordonarcean: :nod:22:39
freemangordonme too22:39
arceanfreemangordon: by microb you mean the window with web page or the list of pages?22:39
freemangordonarcean: web page22:39
arceanso it's displayed in portrait with landscape thumbnail-bar ?22:40
freemangordonit was in portrait, with the same artifact22:40
freemangordonyes22:40
freemangordonhappened only once22:40
freemangordoncould be some timingissue22:41
arceanbrowser-ui should land on the whitelist22:42
arceanfor me the default portrait mode is unusable :/22:42
freemangordonarcean: irrelevant22:43
freemangordonwe can;t do that22:43
keriofreemangordon: well, we can do that22:43
freemangordonkerio: no , we can't, CSSU is not supposed to break the stock functionality22:43
arceanfreemangordon: I'm able to reproduce the OMP thing, but microb is out of my scope22:46
arceanat least for now :P22:46
arcean*reproduce on clean Testing7.122:47
freemangordonarcean: out of scope? you mean you can;t reproduce it or what, cannot parse :)22:47
arceancan't reproduce :)22:47
freemangordontoldya, it has happened only once22:47
freemangordonbut looks like the same bug as with OMP22:48
freemangordoni.e. for some reason h-d "thinks" the application does not support portrait22:49
arceanok, I see what's going on22:50
freemangordon:)22:50
arceanrotation in progress -> h-d checks if windows supports portrait (for thumbnail) -> Qt sets portrait flags (with delay) -> h-d renders thumbnail22:53
kerioarcean: while you're fixing qt's braindead rotation, can you fix qt's braindead text input?22:54
freemangordonarcean: I bet the same happens with microb22:54
freemangordonarcean: which commit broke that?22:55
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arceannothing's changed in task nav22:56
arceanI'll check this with my 'stable' branch22:57
arceanfreemangordon: h-d 2.2.142-22 - the same22:59
arceanoh crap23:00
freemangordonarcean: afaik there were changes, we discussed them a couple of days ago23:06
arceanI've tested h-d from 03 Aug 2012 :D23:10
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arceanI'm going to check this against master branch23:12
freemangordonarcean: well the change is somwhere between 1:2.2.142-22 and 1:2.2.146-223:12
arcean2.2.142-22 is also faulty23:13
freemangordonthat was replaced in todays' -thumb23:13
freemangordonarcean: it was not23:13
arceanit is :D23:14
freemangordongoing to revert23:14
arceanjust keep rotating till the bug appears23:15
keriofreemangordon: are you going to do freetype too?23:15
arceanIIRC we've discussed orientation lock behaviour which was wrong23:16
DocScrutinizer05nicocam shows nonsensical nn.dd cm values for focus (nobody wants to know ow even believes in 0.1mm focus accuracy!) and sometimes on focusing the frame goes green and that distance reading simply disappears23:16
arceanerr orientation lock behaviour was wrong23:16
DocScrutinizer05sometimes it shows me 10.48m distance for objects a 0.8m distant, though focus seems fine23:17
DocScrutinizer05when screen blanking kicks in, not even focus switch will wake up the screen again - quite unfortunate for a camera23:18
keriodoes the stock camera do the last one?23:18
keriohell, why does the screen blank23:18
DocScrutinizer05dunno, since you can't have both concurrently installed X-P23:18
DocScrutinizer05yeah, hell why does the screen blank?23:19
keriofreemangordon: why does the screen blank23:19
freemangordonkerio: when?23:19
DocScrutinizer05in camera viewfinder23:19
freemangordoniirc it is the same for stock camera-ui23:20
DocScrutinizer05feels wrong nevertheless23:20
freemangordonfeels right, you can open lense cover by mistake, or forget to cloase it23:20
DocScrutinizer05yeah, when screen goes blank, you indeed can23:21
freemangordonand your battery will be flat in an hour23:21
keriofeature request: servomotor to open/close the lense cover23:21
DocScrutinizer05tzzz23:22
kerio*lens23:22
DocScrutinizer05it seems the vanishing distance display only happens when pointing down23:22
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hmm, macro?23:23
DocScrutinizer054 out of 5 times when facing down to the floor23:23
freemangordonarcean: cannot reproduce with 1:2.2.142-22+thumb023:23
DocScrutinizer05"A"23:23
freemangordonarcean: oops.23:24
arceanfreemangordon: give me sec23:24
freemangordonhit it :D, you were right23:24
DocScrutinizer050 out of 10 times when facing to horizon23:24
DocScrutinizer05now if that's not a feature! ;-P23:25
freemangordonarcean: the bug is in 1:2.2.142-2223:25
arceanfreemangordon: http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3351/frame00000.png23:25
arcean:D23:25
kerioarcean: how do you make screenshots in portrait?23:25
DocScrutinizer056 out of 10 when facing down23:25
arceangst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc ! video/x-raw-rgb,framerate=1/10 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc snapshot=false ! multifilesink location="frame%05d.png"23:26
freemangordonarcean: yeah, i reproduced it with  1:2.2.142-22+thumb0 too23:26
kerioarcean: what the shit23:26
freemangordonkerio: gstreamer shit :P23:26
arceanyeah, it even works, sometimes :D23:26
kerioarcean: i like the nice touch of showing the version on the terminal23:26
DocScrutinizer050 out of 10 when facing to ceiling, but also 10 of 10 red frame despite correct focus23:27
arceanit was the easiest way :P23:27
DocScrutinizer05nicocam is severely odd somehow23:27
kerioarcean: can you reproduce the other issue?23:27
arceanrotated content of a thumb? sure23:28
arceanit's almost the same bug23:28
arceanit's some kind of race condition23:29
DocScrutinizer057 out of 10 no distance when facing down to floor, the remaining 3 times were 6,xx and 7,xx m despite real distance ~1.20m and focus correct for all I can tell23:29
arceanbetween Qt and h-d23:29
freemangordonarcean: but there is check in h-d for HILDON_..._ATOM change23:30
DocScrutinizer05something's terribly wrong with this focus thing23:30
arceanfreemangordon: sometimes h-d is faster than Qt23:30
freemangordonarcean: ok, but nevertheless, the event will get fired.23:31
freemangordon(atom change)23:31
DocScrutinizer05might nicocam ask for raw focus motor electrical current, not considering it takes more power to pull the lens in when facing down than it does when facing up?23:31
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it would be an amazing bug if so :D23:31
arceanhmm let's see if it's still there with new h-d and Qt23:31
freemangordonarcean: anyway, if you say you know whats going on, i trust you, it was too long ago i played with h-d to be able to argue :D23:32
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you're free to duplicate my findings23:32
freemangordonarcean: microb does it the same way as qt23:32
arceanfreemangordon: so does the phone app?23:32
freemangordonthe same for phone-ui23:32
freemangordonyes23:32
arceanI hate that :)23:33
freemangordonI know :)23:33
DocScrutinizer05quite consistently nicocam makes 8m out of 1m distance to floor23:33
DocScrutinizer05reproducable23:33
DocScrutinizer051.30m becomes 16m23:34
freemangordonarcean: that https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/home/hd-task-navigator.c#line4597 is supposed to be called23:34
DocScrutinizer0560cm ->3.17m23:34
DocScrutinizer05when you manage to get any readng23:35
freemangordonarcean: though I don;t remember where I add that additional stripe for landscape apps23:36
DocScrutinizer05facing up 80cm->16cm23:36
DocScrutinizer05I take bets now on my previous assumption23:37
DocScrutinizer05anybody holding it?23:38
arceanfreemangordon: the bug is fixed with the new h-d/Qt combo23:39
arceanat least I'm not able to reproduce it easily23:40
freemangordonarcean: :D23:40
freemangordoneasily or at all?23:40
arcean:D23:40
DocScrutinizer05wtf is the package for nicocam?23:40
DocScrutinizer05where's the bugtracker? the tmo thread?23:40
arceanI was rotating my n900 like a crazy :D23:40
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's cssu camera-ui i suppose23:41
DocScrutinizer05there's no such package in maemo package interface23:41
freemangordonarcean: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/home/hd-task-navigator.c#line198223:41
DocScrutinizer05so who's the maintainer of that nicocam?23:42
freemangordonwe need something similar in https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/home/hd-task-navigator.c#line459723:42
keriofreemangordon: pango+freetype working23:42
freemangordonarcean: ^^^23:42
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: nicolai23:43
DocScrutinizer05and where the heck I get a hold of him?23:43
DocScrutinizer05to fix this silly bug23:43
freemangordonon TMO?23:43
merlin1991he answers to pm on tmo23:43
DocScrutinizer05not acceptable23:43
merlin1991also can you write up everything into some txt so I can check with stock cam?23:44
DocScrutinizer05I report bugs in public, not in PM23:44
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: well there is the nicocam thread on tmo aswell23:44
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: you can use camera-ui replacement thread too23:44
keriodoesn't garage have a bug tracker?23:44
DocScrutinizer05could you point me to that thread?23:44
merlin1991kerio: aren't we read only?23:44
arceanfreemangordon: that's current revision: http://gitorious.org/~arcean/community-ssu/arcean-hildon-desktop/blobs/b6bcbec89d20af5777a9c166489445407d7fd2d7/src/home/hd-task-navigator.c#line459723:44
keriooh right23:44
DocScrutinizer05dang, took me 5 min "lemme test that nicocam now that I again got it" and I gone WTF?!23:47
freemangordonarcean: don;t see much of a difference23:48
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: you can't check that distance reading in stock cam since it's not there for quite obvious reasons ;-)23:48
kerioDocScrutinizer05: maybe because it's botched when you're pointing up or down23:48
DocScrutinizer05for the rest: simply check if screen dims in stock cam, which I guess it actually does. Yet it doesn't feel right23:49
DocScrutinizer05kerio: the whole principle how the focus works doesn't allow such readout23:49
DocScrutinizer05it's a closed loop feedback that has no absolute values you could read out23:49
DocScrutinizer05at least no derived ones23:50
DocScrutinizer05I guess you have something like focus motor power in a sysnode, and that's a relative value from 0 to 255 for example. Nothing you could do with this, except maybe calculate battery load23:51
freemangordonarcean: so, are you able to reproduce it with latest h-d?23:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, i can reproduce the short reported distance when pointing up and the long reported distance when pointing down23:52
DocScrutinizer05ooh, i have a stock cam, on t90023:53
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you also have a stock cam *in the repos*23:54
DocScrutinizer05which I'm going to fscking install soonish, nuking my MP again23:54
keriodon't23:54
keriothe only difference in packaging is /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch23:55
keriodivert it away and copy the file manually23:55
DocScrutinizer05ok, stock can of course also goes into standby mode23:55
DocScrutinizer05and locked screen23:55
DocScrutinizer05and it also doesn't even wake on shutter-trigger, not to ask for focusswitch23:56
DocScrutinizer05but that focus distance readout is so extremely silly this has to change23:57
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/camera-ui/blobs/master/src/camera-ui2-window.c#line57923:59
DocScrutinizer05I gather when it vanishes this simply means it decided that focus must be infinite23:59

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