IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Monday, 2012-12-17

ShadowJKif laptop doesn't advertise it has the receive-file thingy, it wont appear in N900's send-file thing list00:11
tadzikit used to work00:13
tadzikwell, I'll double check the laptop then00:13
tadzikok, I re-paired them from both sides and it now works00:17
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Palikerio, some package with name usbmode is alredy in extras-devel for diablo00:45
keriopretend it's the same00:45
kerioand gain ownership00:45
Palikerio, so I need name for package usbmode...00:45
Palihttp://maemo.org/packages/view/usbmode/00:45
kerioPali: usb-mode00:46
PaliI already asked maintainer of that package and he wrote that better will be new name...00:46
keriousb-hostmode00:47
keriousbhost00:48
DocScrutinizer05how about hen00:48
keriohostmode-easy-before00:48
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hm, i'm not sure it's comparable00:49
keriohostmode-easier-now00:50
keriofuckin-nokia-couldnt-add-proper-usb-otg00:50
DocScrutinizer05fUSBar00:51
kerioooh, ne00:51
kerioat00:51
kerioPali: btw, you should remove the usbmode icon from the menu at least00:54
kerioit's unnecessary00:54
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kerioPali: usb-mode-switcher00:57
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freemangordontklock bug fixed, package in cssu-devel repo01:28
freemangordonkerio: ^^^01:28
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: what was the bug?01:41
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it was missing portrait mode support :)01:41
DocScrutinizer05oh, and that caused those artifacts?01:42
freemangordoni.e. when started in portrait, it has to use different layout01:42
freemangordonyes01:42
DocScrutinizer05hmm, that been easy then :-D01:42
freemangordonyeah, less than 50 lines of code :)01:43
freemangordonBTW I am going to put LGPL on that01:43
freemangordonthre is nothing Nokia remaining01:43
freemangordon*there01:43
DocScrutinizer05nice01:44
freemangordonwell, besides some function names, but I don;t really care about them01:45
freemangordonok. licensing fixed, tommorow will check with valgrind for any leaks i might have introduced with the latest fixes. Not that I expect such, but just in case01:52
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keriofreemangordon: neat, ty10:00
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* DocScrutinizer05 coughs a bit10:08
keriofreemangordon: it works, too10:10
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ohai10:10
tadziknew tklock works nice for me too. There's one more thing though, which also existed in stock tklock, but is annyoing nonetheless. Steps to reproduce: bring up the unlock screen, then swipe to unlock and quickly press the power button again10:31
tadzikthe device will lock again instead of bringing up the power key menu10:31
tadzikif that could be fixed while you're at it, that'd be great :)10:31
tadzikfreemangordon: ^10:31
freemangordontadzik: cannot reproduce10:32
freemangordontadzik: are you sure you don't press power key twice?10:33
tadziknope.10:34
freemangordontadzik: nevertheless, if such bug exists, it is in mce, not in tklock10:34
tadzikThere is a significant delay between the first and second press10:34
tadzikokay10:34
keriofreemangordon: please add a configurable powerkey-twice-to-unlock10:34
freemangordonhow much? 2-3 seconds?10:34
kerioi'll love you forever if you do :310:34
freemangordonkerio: toldya, not with this relese10:34
freemangordon*release10:35
freemangordonlets get rid of memleaks first10:35
tadzikfreemangordon: yeah, something of this sort10:36
freemangordontadzik: well, that is double-press ;)10:36
tadzikoh, heh10:36
tadzikso it counts the bring-up-tklock press as the first press of lock-screen10:37
freemangordontadzik: NFC, it is in mce :(10:37
tadzikindeed, if I wait long enough it doesn't happen10:37
tadzikokay, thanks10:37
DocScrutinizer05I'd much more appreciate a powerbutton menu behaviour like on Nokia 6210: skip to next menu entry with each short press, select current entry with a long press10:39
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it is mce again10:42
freemangordonthough I don;t see the point of having such functionality on n90010:43
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: the point is in general rule to allow *everything* to get alternatively done *only* with touchscreen, or completely *without* touchscreen10:51
DocScrutinizer05it's about ergonomics10:52
DocScrutinizer05btw a concept where older windows versions excelled10:53
DocScrutinizer05where you got even 3 alternatives usually: mouse operated menu, alt-key operated menu, and hotkeys (like ctrl-s for "store")10:54
DocScrutinizer05maemo 4 menus were still operational with kbd/dpad/homebutton only10:56
DocScrutinizer05though the entry pount - e.g. to start an app - been a tad weird, and only worked when you got at least one open window already10:57
DocScrutinizer05s/pount/point/.10:58
DocScrutinizer05power button as general operation mode profile switcher makes much sense in my book: profiles like: off, airplane, tablet, silent, outdoor, locked, unlocked, night, beach, sunny, stealth, stationary, mp3player...11:01
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DocScrutinizer05I'd honestly like to augment profiled to handle virtually all aspects of the device UI and general user option settings. Like screen brightness, time til lock, of course ringtone and volume... well generally all you can set via settings11:27
DocScrutinizer05I've pondered about how to implement such a concept quite a lot, nevertheless I'd appreciate some "idea sparring"11:28
DocScrutinizer05particularly the system level details of implementation are still a wide area for discussion about best design - from d-bus "replay" to completely change the user by redefining $HOME and relogin there is quite a number of possible approaches11:33
DocScrutinizer05maybe even a complementary synthesis of several of those concepts, since each has its specific advantages and downsides11:37
DocScrutinizer05switch user completely is damn cool since you could even switch to completely new trackerdb based on different tracker-config, to show other gallery content and music selection, new contacts addrbook and all11:39
DocScrutinizer05but obviously to switch ringtone volume from outdoor to muffle it's damn heavy a method11:41
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lufkerio: luf's bluez? :D11:48
luftadzik: ping11:49
tadzikluf: pong11:51
luftadzik: what version of bluez are you using?11:51
lufAnd what OS on laptop :)11:52
tadzikluf: bluez, the one in cssu-t I guess. On laptop it's debian testing11:53
lufOk. So the stock one bluez :)11:53
tadzikbut again, when I re-paired the devices everething worked11:53
tadzikyeah, I guess so :)11:53
luf:)11:53
tadzikanyway, could it be made so N900 can receive files from devices it's not paired with?11:54
tadzikit's annoying to receive cheatsheets before exams when I have to pair with everyone11:54
lufI don't know. But I think you need to be paired (I should be wrong about it).11:55
tadzikit seems to Just Work on other devices12:00
luftadzik: without PIN?12:02
DocScrutinizer05sure, why not12:02
lufBecause of security?12:03
DocScrutinizer05for *inbound* data it should just ask "do you want to accept this data?"12:03
tadzikagreed12:03
tadzikeven when paired N900 asks for every file12:03
tadzikit's not like it automagically saves them in /bin12:04
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luftadzik: because it asks where to store the file.12:04
lufAnd if you want to receive it.12:04
lufOk I add it to my TODO12:05
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merlin1991is there any particular reason why all eye docs in my area open 13:00 mondays??13:33
merlin1991In other words, it sucks to see nothing :D13:33
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: GET   A    SPARE    GLASSES15:24
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freemangordonI fixed a bug in powerkeymenu, new deb is in cssu-devel repo15:26
jonwilCan anyone point me at a .deb file that matches HEAD of http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget please?15:29
jonwilIf not, can someone compile one for me (my n900 compile env isn't usable right at this point)15:30
DocScrutinizer05Pali: ^^^15:32
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^15:32
Palijonwil: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/o/operator-name-cbs-widget/connui-home-cellular_3.1.1_armel.deb15:45
jonwilso that matches to HEAD?15:47
jonwilyeah it does by the look of it :)15:47
Palicheck I do not know15:50
Palimaybe version/changelog15:50
jonwilactually no, its not HEAD15:50
jonwilHEAD is 3.215:50
jonwilnot 3.1.115:50
jonwilif someone could build HEAD that would be most appreciated15:51
jonwilI am going away on holidays tomorrow and I want to have the latest version on my N900 when I go15:51
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jonwilguess no-one is around who can help :(16:02
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lufjonwil: wait I'll try it in next hour.16:05
merlin1991jonwil: by when do you need it?16:06
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: I'll get a spare pair as soon as i've visited the doc (which is tomorrow)16:07
jonwilI need it in 8h or so at the latest16:08
jonwilpreferrably sooner if possible16:08
jonwilI would do it myself but there are issues with my dev environment that I dont have the time to sort out16:08
merlin1991hm what version is in -testing currently?16:09
luf3.1.116:10
DocScrutinizer05moh is alive, but hiding! ;-P16:12
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: could we get a cookie into next cssu-t release?16:13
DocScrutinizer05to count IPs in some httpd-log16:14
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DocScrutinizer05I really wanna know what's our userbase16:14
DocScrutinizer05even if it's 'only' those N900 users that establish some connectivity on their device16:15
merlin1991i feel rather silly atm, holding the lense inlay from my army gas mask up in order to read the screen :D16:16
DocScrutinizer05LOL16:16
DocScrutinizer05sorry guys, have to run, maybe this time my doc comes up with an idea how to get rid of this persisting flu16:18
merlin1991hm i even have a built connui home cellular 3.2 here16:18
merlin1991why didn't it go into last testing o_O?16:18
merlin1991good luck DocScrutinizer0516:19
DocScrutinizer05blame maintainer8s) of testing!16:19
DocScrutinizer05thanks16:19
jonwilok, if you have the build deb files for 3.2, that would be great :)16:20
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: kind reminder of the new N900 I'd like to put under my non-existent x-mess tree ;-)16:20
merlin1991jonwil: http://cdnm.at/~christian/maemo/cssu/connui-home-cellular_3.2_armel.deb16:20
merlin1991i see our big boss has joined :D16:27
jon_ythey inner joined? :)16:29
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jon_ysorry, couldn't resist16:29
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DocScrutinizer05hi MohammadAG, welcome in this chan16:31
jonwilok, thanks merlin1991, thats exactly what I need16:31
DocScrutinizer05and bbl16:32
merlin1991jon_y: :D16:32
jonwilhmmm actually no its not, it seems to be displaying the wrong operator name :(16:32
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: toldya, i'l check if and when i have time ;)16:33
freemangordoni'll16:33
freemangordonmerlin1991(and others): in case you've missed it - there is a new version of powerkeymenu in cssu-devel16:34
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luffreemangordon: already on my dev phone ;)16:38
jonwilbah this is annoying, its printing the incorrect operator name and I dont really have the time or working dev box to fix it16:43
merlin1991jonwil: you can gather logs for Pali at least16:44
jonwilaah, stuff this, I think I can get my dev box working enough to compile stuff16:50
jonwil:P16:50
MohammadAGhey DocScrutinizer0516:50
jonwilok, good, my dev box seems to be working again17:03
jonwilone of the buttons on my mouse was somehow stuck in the "down" position17:04
jonwilok, now its printing the correct operator name again17:07
jonwilRemoving the whole "operator widget: handle operator name changes via dbus signal interface=Phone.Net; member=operator_name_change" change seems to have made it print the correct value again17:09
jonwilwhich is right because code inside the connectivity UI libs listens to operator_name_change and will call widget_net_status_cb when the operator has changed17:11
jonwilBased on my analysis of the inner workings of libconnui-cellular, connui-home-cellular, libcsnet0 and libcsnet-dev I an convinced that using the name passed into Phone.Net.operator_name_change is not correct17:14
jonwilin any case I have a binary on my phone that prints the correct operator name17:14
jonwiland I am happy17:14
jonwilany arguments about the right way to do things can be had once I get back from holidays I guess :)17:15
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keriowhy the hell do i have connui-home-cellular 3.2 instead of 3.1.1 that's in cssu-devel?20:08
merlin1991haxx?20:08
kerioomg20:11
keriomerlin1991: cssu-devel is outdated on a lot of shit20:12
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keriohm, what's the deal with modest-l10n-mr0?20:13
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kerioit's a fake package, why do we ship it, and why is the nokia package a greater version?20:13
merlin1991because nokia suxx20:14
kerioyeah but there's no need to do that, their mr0 package is better than ours20:14
keriohigher version and all that20:14
merlin1991or rather whoever did the inital cssu package didn't realize that all the different translations had diferent version numbers20:14
keriomerlin1991: community-testing has no Archive: label :(20:15
keriooh, it's got a Label: label20:16
merlin1991kerio: I have no control over the repos on maemo.org20:17
keriomerlin1991: still, why isn't it 6.11+0m5+0cssu3 or something20:18
keriomerlin1991: aren't you supposed to be a repo admin for maemo.org too?20:18
merlin1991kerio: theory and praxis20:19
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keriowhy do i have libglib2.0-0 at a higher version than the repos?22:45
keriooh, marmistrz's repo22:46
keriono, wait22:48
keriodafuq, why does mp-fremantle-community-pr depend on maemo-optify-runonce?22:49
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keriomerlin1991: explain pls22:50
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merlin1991precaution22:51
kerioprecaution for what?22:51
kerioit's even a predepend22:51
merlin1991people making weird stuff to frelshly flashed images that didn't even boot properly once22:52
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ((<merlin1991> kerio: theory and praxis)) I gather that's another topic council should pick up23:56

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