IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Sunday, 2012-12-16

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merlin1991bad news, I broke my glasses yesterday --> no cssu bulding for me untill I can see properly again, to make things worse my spare (though not as strong) pair is in vienna and I'm not :/17:07
tadzikbah, bad luck17:11
tadzikwell, I broke me laptop yesterday17:11
tadzikmaybe that's supposed to prepare me for glasses17:12
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keriomerlin1991: just increase the font size :P17:30
freemangordonguys, any clue why PR1.2 don't show OTA update?18:07
keriofreemangordon: is mp-fremantle-generic-pr installed?18:10
freemangordonkerio: this is a new device bough from a MNO18:11
freemangordon*bought18:11
keriothen why do you care? :o18:11
kerioflash 1.318:11
freemangordonand i don;t have it here18:11
freemangordonkerio: I know, I was asking why there is no OTA update18:11
keriooh right, HAM won't work with the nokia repos anymore18:12
keriomaybe it's because of that18:12
freemangordonwhat?18:12
keriothe gpg key is busted, and HAM cares about that18:12
freemangordonaah :(18:12
kerioat the very least, to allow upgrades to "system" packages18:12
keriofreemangordon: enable redpill mode via gconftool, then disable every check in the HAM settings18:12
DocScrutinizer05HAH18:13
DocScrutinizer05I wish I could enable redpill mode on cloud-718:13
freemangordonkerio: I don;t have the device here, i'll have it tomorrow and will flash pr1.318:14
kerioDocScrutinizer05: just reinstall everything18:14
DocScrutinizer05btw redpill mode doesn't work on standard HAM18:14
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I can't do that18:14
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you can't enable via the catalogs trick, but you can enable it via gconftool18:15
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DocScrutinizer05not for HAM-PR1.2 afaik18:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: of course you can, boot up a new VPS server, attach the old disk to the new one, and debootstrap18:16
kerioOH WAIT18:16
kerioNOT DEBIAN18:16
DocScrutinizer05err wut?18:16
keriomeh, just start a new vm, attach the old disk, copy the data and delete the old disk and the old vm18:17
DocScrutinizer05the fsck how am I supposed to start a VM2 in VM1 to update kernel of VM1?18:18
keriono, start VM2 at the same level of VM118:18
DocScrutinizer05I CANT18:18
DocScrutinizer05this is a vserver18:18
* kerio has been spoiled by the flexibility of EC218:18
DocScrutinizer05I have no access to the level where VM1 is started18:19
DocScrutinizer05I'm living inside VM118:19
kerioyeah but you can tell the guys that control VM1 to do things18:19
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I could18:19
kerioamazon has a nice web interface for that, and a CLI tool too18:19
DocScrutinizer05after I downloaded 40GB to my local PC via 2MBit downlonk, and then I restore data to new system via 256kBit uplink18:20
kerioDocScrutinizer05: start a new vm while the old one is still running18:20
DocScrutinizer05GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!18:21
kerioand pay the 5€ that it'll cost to run a VM for half a day18:21
DocScrutinizer05bwahahahaha18:21
DocScrutinizer05this is NOT amazon18:22
DocScrutinizer05nor any other of those click-to-buy hosters18:22
DocScrutinizer05and afaik the iron that my vserver runs on has no more free storage left over18:23
DocScrutinizer05meh, I guess it been a DoS attack and that weird PID numbering might mean nothing18:25
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: sure, if it makes you happy... :P18:32
DocScrutinizer05pfff18:32
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DocScrutinizer05if sth worries me than maybe that: 16086/udp open|filtered unknown 16430/udp open|filtered unknown 21784/udp open|filtered unknown 36669/udp open|filtered unknown 49189/udp open|filtered unknown 51690/udp open|filtered unknown 54807/udp open|filtered unknown 58419/udp open|filtered unknown18:35
keriodafuq18:35
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DocScrutinizer05indeed, particularly since netstat doesn't know of any of those18:42
DocScrutinizer05but then, it's a vNIC on a VM18:42
DocScrutinizer05who knows what the VM itself adds to the madness around that system running in it18:43
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Palifreemangordon, downloads.maemo.nokia.com (where is OTA) not working due to expired GPG key...19:16
freemangordonPali: soemthing is fishy, as it gave errors even with apt-get19:17
Paliof cource, gpg key expired19:17
freemangordoni.e. apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, reboot, apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr19:17
freemangordonPali: hmm, elaborate please, why ofc?19:18
Palibecause apt-get also checking gpg signature19:18
freemangordonso, reflash is the only option?19:18
Palisolution could be to tell apt to ignore invalid signatures19:18
freemangordonhow?19:18
Palisome special key for /etc/apt/...19:19
Palibut I do not know now19:19
freemangordonok19:19
Palior you can try to remove gpg keys from device19:19
freemangordonBTW... we should fix that somehow19:19
Palimaybe then apt allow to install/update19:19
Palionly possible fix is to resign packages19:19
Paliwith nokia key19:20
Palior with any key which is stored in n90019:20
freemangordonhmm, isn;t there a way to somehow "extend" those?19:20
Paliyou need to manually install gpg key into n90019:20
Palilike cssu-enabler19:20
freemangordonPali: so, if I setup the date to 2010.01.01, it'll be ok?19:21
Palihm, it could be...19:21
Paliyou cannot change expiration date of some public key (without private)19:21
freemangordonPali: so it is Nokia who should do it?19:26
freemangordonI mean is it possible at all19:26
Palionly owner of private key can change expiration of gpg key19:26
freemangordonto extend the validity period, without installing new key on the device19:26
Paliexpiration is changed by adding new signature to key19:27
freemangordonPali: so, there is no way?19:27
Paliso after that you must refresh gpg key from keyserver (to add new expiration signature)19:27
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freemangordonis that automatic?19:27
PaliI do not know if apt trying to refresh key automatically19:27
Palisome email clients doing it19:28
freemangordonso, can we pester nokia?19:28
freemangordonto fix that19:28
Paliyes, only nokia can change expiration19:29
Paliwithout that downloads.maemo.nokia.com will not work19:29
freemangordonwe need to find someone with a valid warranty to write them a letter19:30
Paliwhen gpg key will be valid again, we can start talking how to refresh it into devices (or import new key, if nokia change it)...19:30
freemangordonhmm, I wonder who should to that. the board? the council?19:31
PaliDocScrutinizer05?19:32
DocScrutinizer05obviously council19:32
Paliwho is admin of downloads.maemo.nokia.com?19:32
DocScrutinizer05but, tbh, i'm already fed up with them not answering *any* of our mails19:33
Palior who has private gpg key?19:33
DocScrutinizer05Pali: if in doubt: always X-Fade/nemein19:33
DocScrutinizer05I've never heard about any other contact19:34
DocScrutinizer05also his cloak suggests he's "the man"19:35
DocScrutinizer05xfade@Maemo/community/webmaster/X-Fade19:35
DocScrutinizer05there might be others, but nothing documented about it that I'd know of19:36
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kerioPali: hold on, i'm fairly certain that apt-get will ask the user if it can't verify some packages19:38
freemangordonkerio: :nod:19:38
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freemangordonanyway, i'll report WTF is going on when I have access to the device. it could be there is some conflicting package installed19:39
keriofreemangordon: maybe the device just doesn't know about the updated system19:40
keriobecause the repo update fails due to the gpg key19:40
kerioapparently 'Ignore {"gpg-pubkey"; };' is good enough to avoid that19:40
kerioi don't get error messages during the download phase of apt-get update19:40
freemangordonbut i did apt-get upgrade by hand. well , not me, but the lady is a smart one19:41
keriofreemangordon: it's possible that the *update* part fails19:41
kerioand the device doesn't know about the new packages19:42
kerioapt-cache policy mp-fremantle-generic-pr to check that19:42
kerioonce you've got the device19:42
freemangordonok19:42
freemangordoncould be19:42
PaliDocScrutinizer05, see: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1252219:43
povbotBug 12522: Problem with keys of Nokia19:43
Palithere was problem with bad gpg key for ovi store19:43
freemangordonBTW is it possible to jump to CSSU from PR1.2?19:43
Paliand who fixed that bug is Stefano Mosconi19:43
keriofreemangordon: i don't think so19:43
Paliwhich is not in nokia anymore...19:43
keriofreemangordon: HAM is stupid, it won't upgrade packages that aren't listed in the metapackage dependencies19:44
DocScrutinizer05Pali: :nod:19:44
freemangordonkerio: I don't need HAM that much. I can do apt-get upgrade by hand ;)19:44
keriome too! :D19:44
keriobut community-ssu-enabler will still only mark as manually installed the packages from the currently-installed mp-fremantle-generic-pr or something19:45
freemangordonPali: can we contact hoi for an advise?19:45
freemangordon*him19:45
Palitry19:45
freemangordonheh19:45
keriohm, i'm still getting errors here :(19:46
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: aiui board is about to inherit the whole stuff, so probably Nokia won't fix that pubkey now, since it's basically useless as soon as we inherited it anyway. Which indeed is a quite intriguing aspect of this infra handover19:52
Palialso private gpg keys?19:52
Palireally?19:52
Palisorry I do not belive...19:53
DocScrutinizer05that's the 1 million $ question19:53
keriojust sign them all again19:53
DocScrutinizer05I'll have to ask board about that detail, since obviously it's board which talks to/with Nokia, not council19:54
Palione possible solution could be to generate new key, resign all packages and create deb package with new public key and all n900 users will need to install it...19:54
DocScrutinizer05Pali: could you do me a favor and bring it up next council meeting?19:54
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Paliwhen?19:55
DocScrutinizer05Fri 18UTC19:55
Paliok19:55
DocScrutinizer05Council meetings every Friday @ 18:00 UTC19:55
kerioPali: just use the maemo.org community repositories key19:56
DocScrutinizer05\o/19:56
Palimerlin has private key19:56
Palibut for HAM it is not enought19:57
kerioPali: are we to assume that users are going to install cssu?19:57
Paliyou need to add gpg key to apt line in some HAM zone file19:57
DocScrutinizer05Pali: probably best: send a mail with proper explanation of the problem (and how stuff works), the possible fixes, and the questions to community@mo, board@mo and council@mo19:59
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Paliwhat is full email of board?20:00
DocScrutinizer05board at mo20:00
Paliok20:00
DocScrutinizer05BCC please20:00
DocScrutinizer05for board20:01
kerioapparently deleting the appropriate files in /var/lib/apt/lists, deleting the nokia keys, and redownloading them made the "Err:" during apt-get update disappear20:10
kerioalso, TIL the auto-installed marker is stored in a single flat file20:12
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keriohm, should luf's bluez ship with bluetooth PAN configured?21:44
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tadzikurgh. My N900 successfully paired with my laptop via bluetooth, but the send-file thing doesn't detect it23:49

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