IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Friday, 2012-12-14

kerioand equivalent, too00:00
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Palikerio, no, you have 4 states: installed bme & started bme; installed bme & stopped bme; installed replacement; uninstalled bme00:01
kerioinstalled replacement is functionally equivalent to removed bme binary00:01
Palicould be00:01
Palibut you have hald-addon-bme in system00:02
kerioby the way, can't the applet just use the data from the modules if available, regardless, and wait for hald-addon-bme events?00:03
kerioso it would work under ~every condition00:04
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DocScrutinizer05ok, kerio! here you are: "wtf are you idiots doing"12:18
keriotoo late12:19
lufDocScrutinizer05: welcome back man :D12:19
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DocScrutinizer05replacing a lib needs careful verification - I'd recommend setting linux-ld flag for early binding (will provide correct name and syntax later) and testing the lib against several programs that are NOT compiled against the new lib12:20
DocScrutinizer05also get a list of exported symbols of old and new lib and compare12:20
kerioas far as i understood it's just a recompile of the same lib12:20
keriojust with different kernel headers12:20
keriobut headers from the same version of linux12:21
DocScrutinizer05that's why I consider above tests sufficient12:21
DocScrutinizer05if it had true changes, we'd need unit-tests12:21
keriowell, i tested it against every program running on my n900 that uses libc12:22
DocScrutinizer05man ld-linux12:22
DocScrutinizer05LD_BIND_NOW=joergSaysDoIt12:23
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DocScrutinizer05I'm wondering what bug we'll fix with getting that new lib, for users that don't use thumbified kernel, but meh! I got too much on my plate already, and I guess it's time you grow out of it a bit12:30
DocScrutinizer05oooh wait, that's epoll12:30
DocScrutinizer05not thumb12:30
kerioyep12:30
DocScrutinizer05yeah, go ahead12:31
luf:D12:31
DocScrutinizer05incredible bug12:31
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the fix will be in place for users of kp/kcssu12:32
DocScrutinizer05:nod:12:32
DocScrutinizer05carefully check if the fallback works reliably12:32
kerioi haven't (and can't) check that, so i'll leave that to all of you freaks with a billion n900s12:33
DocScrutinizer05:-P12:33
DocScrutinizer05"considered stable, due to missing resources to prove the opposite"12:34
lufmerlin1991: will test it ;)12:34
lufups ...12:34
lufDocScrutinizer05: merlin1991 will test it.12:34
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i already told luf to close a bug regarding bluez 2.99 and win7 64bit as CANTREPRODUCE12:35
keriobecause he doesn't have win712:35
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arceananother awesome h-d bug ;D14:37
arcean"i'm [not] gonna create 0x0 frame window and play hide and catch with you, have a good time"14:37
keriohahahah wat14:37
arceankerio: http://i.imgur.com/30bg4.png14:39
arceansomething eat the dialog window :)14:39
arcean*ate14:39
freemangordonarcean: nice14:45
freemangordoni like it, i want that on my device :D:D:D14:45
arceanit the first time I'm able to finally reproduce it14:46
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kerioarcean: heh, i wouldn't notice that, i think14:59
kerioi have blurless with full saturation14:59
kerioand the "behind" actually gets updated14:59
kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, not sure if you noticed, but extras-devel-light has pdiff support now :D15:03
freemangordonarcean: never been hit by that bug15:06
arceansometimes I'm struggling with the Telephone app because of that15:08
kerio~pkg15:09
infobotrumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/15:09
freemangordonarcean: hmm, thats realy strange15:11
freemangordonwhat is the reason you are hit by that?15:11
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freemangordonarcean: are you sure it is not a bug in your h-d? toldya, i've never seen that, except by the times I was playing with GTK/h-d tasknav15:30
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arceanmaybe, but maintainer of the worldclock replacement also saw that in his application16:02
merlin1991luf: ping16:08
lufmerlin1991: pong16:08
merlin1991as I said yesterday I have the win7 x64 + bluetooth setup available to me, so can I help with debugging the issue?16:09
lufmerlin1991: sure you can.16:09
merlin1991hm I meant to put a how betwee so and can :D16:09
merlin1991also +n :D16:10
lufLet's install bluez-4.99 from _you_know_who_server/~luf/bluez16:10
lufAfter that try to reboot the phone and after that try to send file from win to N900 (and also from N900 to win).16:10
lufBTW you can try it first with stock bluez.16:11
merlin1991hm is there a decent vnc server on the n900? (I never tried)16:11
merlin1991the main idea being putting the win7 box and the n900 on a vpn via openvpn so you can test further in case it does not work16:12
lufmerlin1991: I don't understand.16:13
lufmerlin1991: I mean send the file via bluetooth16:13
lufLike File manager -> Share -> file -> via BT (from N900)16:13
merlin1991luf: sure, but if it does not work you'll probably need more tests, and in that case it's easier for you if the hw is avaiable for you :D16:14
lufOh great! Sure.16:14
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merlin1991Bah ham is superslow today16:25
lufJust today? :D16:25
merlin1991Well today especially :P16:26
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luf... like other days16:27
* merlin1991 headdesks16:31
merlin1991I enabled cssu-devel for nothing :P16:31
lufmerlin1991: has you solved the problem to be less clever? :D16:31
kerioluf: btw, when have you last updated bluez?16:32
merlin1991Luf which packages do I need?16:32
lufkerio: few days ago16:32
keriohold on, whose server?16:32
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merlin1991Huh?16:33
lufbluez-4.99, libbluetooth3-4.9916:33
luf... 2maemo2...16:33
lufkerio: :D I get list of files ...16:34
keriolink pls16:34
lufThe same like last time.16:34
lufI don't change version ...16:34
lufHmmm I didn't upload it :)16:35
merlin1991Luf overwite the conf file?16:35
merlin1991also reboot neccessary?16:35
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keriowhat's so wrong about pasting the url again? :(16:35
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merlin1991kerio: merlin1991.at/~luf/bluez16:36
lufmerlin1991: it's better to overwrite and reboot isn't neccessary. Just restart bluetoothd.16:36
keriooh, yours!16:36
kerioi knew that then16:36
lufI have to upload the latest packages. MMNT.16:36
merlin1991but . I just installed the older one then16:36
kerioluf: i don't remember, is the disabling of syncevolution in obexd in cssu already, or is it something that i did?16:38
lufMaybe you did but it's in for sure in current release (maybe also the previous one). Check changelog ;)16:39
merlin1991luf: so do I need an even newer bluez now?16:41
lufIt will be better. I'm uploading ....16:42
lufDone.16:43
lufThe same filesnames, few more patches ...16:43
merlin1991so I need to dl it again :D16:45
lufYes please.16:45
kerioluf: but i just installed the november build! :(16:45
Palifreemangordon, bug in systemui alarm - when silent profile is activated clock alarm is muted16:48
Paliin nokia version it always play alarm sound (in silent profile too)16:49
lufkerio: you didn't have November build? I'm surprised.16:50
lufBTW the December build is better ;)16:51
keriohrmpf :c16:51
lufYou can see git ;)16:51
merlin1991sry luf, I've got to run for now, I'll test tomorrow16:55
lufmerlin1991: np I thank you for such opportunity.16:55
lufmerlin1991: get any time you need16:56
DocScrutinizer51alarm sound in silent? ODD17:08
DocScrutinizer51I need a stealth mode where NO SOUND EVAR is causing evil morloks shooting me down17:09
kerioDocScrutinizer51: mute everything with alsamixer17:11
DocScrutinizer51that's what silent mode supposed to do17:11
DocScrutinizer51except vib17:11
kerioit always played alarms for me17:12
kerioand i like it17:12
lufSure. Alarm all the time is must to have.17:12
DocScrutinizer51well, you can define your own mode for that17:12
lufThat's why I setup alarm - to be notified.17:12
keriohow am i supposed to wake up in the morning while avoiding calls during the night?17:12
kerioDocScrutinizer51: or *you* can define your own mode for that17:13
DocScrutinizer51errr, tablet mode?17:13
DocScrutinizer51kerio: nope17:13
lufDocScrutinizer51: it's not the same.17:13
lufDocScrutinizer51: how could you live so long with not silenced alarm?17:13
kerioit's in stock, isn't it? :o17:14
DocScrutinizer51well, then the fsck define a profile with inaudible ringtone17:14
kerioor you define a silent-like profile with every alarm at 0 volume17:15
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lufDocScrutinizer51: you can do it. It'll be marked as bug by a lot of people if we change the default behaviour just due to you.17:15
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DocScrutinizer51kerio: when you tell me how to set up a profile that selects alarmand every other signal tone, then yes17:16
lufDocScrutinizer51: let's focus on glibc QA ;)17:16
DocScrutinizer51dafaq17:16
DocScrutinizer51silent mode is meant to be a permanent mute17:17
DocScrutinizer51mute is meant to mute *everything*17:17
DocScrutinizer51if you want a partial mute only for e.g ringtones you should define your own custom profile for that17:18
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DocScrutinizer51my silent mode here even mutes play-sound some.wav17:19
DocScrutinizer51so WTF shouldn't it mute clock alarms?17:19
keriobecause i gotta wake up in the morning!17:20
DocScrutinizer51kerio: FOOL, LISTEN! You *can* define a profile with ringtones mute, you CANT define one with alarmsounds mute, but you got silentmode for that17:23
lufDocScrutinizer51: you can mute alarms. Lets disable it.17:24
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DocScrutinizer51you're boring me17:24
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, grumpy as usual. I shouldn't say such things18:59
RST38hDoc: When grumpy, moo!19:01
DocScrutinizer05~moo19:01
* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass19:02
RST38hI wonder if you can ignite 'em and what happens then19:05
kerioDocScrutinizer05: why do you have two IRC clients connected at the same time, btw?19:06
DocScrutinizer05kerio: because I have ~5 devices with IRC clients running, and Konversation and xchat don't play nice together via ZNC bouncer19:14
kerioof course they do!19:14
kerio/znc loadmod route_replies19:14
kerioor something19:14
kerioyep19:14
DocScrutinizer05tried it, didn't work like supposed to19:14
kerio:(19:14
kerioconnect both bouncers through a single bouncer!19:15
DocScrutinizer05there's only one bouncer on DocScrutinizer5119:15
DocScrutinizer05DocScrutinizer05 has no bouncer at all19:16
keriowhat does "05" mean?19:16
DocScrutinizer050.5k aka 500, for ThinkPad T50019:16
kerio51 is self-explanatory19:16
DocScrutinizer05yay, I need to refresh some of my nicks19:18
kerioheh, a laptop that's never turned off?19:18
DocScrutinizer05yep19:18
DocScrutinizer05though: 18:18pm  up 29 days 19:26,  10 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.05, 0.1019:18
DocScrutinizer05due to some severe issues with BIOS and fan-control19:19
keriomeh, the universe was created around 5 days ago anyway19:19
kerioanything before that is a fabrication19:19
DocScrutinizer05friggin insane: the CPU heats up to 100°C but fan speed stays ~280019:20
kerioheh19:20
DocScrutinizer05while 'manually' I can speed it up to ~500019:20
kerioosx's temperature control prefers throttling the gpu down rather than running the fans at 6krpm19:20
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kerioit stays around 5500rpm and then i get framerate drops in my videogames19:21
DocScrutinizer05consequently the crap lap tap err top suddenly shuts down hard19:21
DocScrutinizer05yeah, related to GPU here as well19:22
DocScrutinizer05this is a T500 with dual GPU19:22
DocScrutinizer05intel and that G????? stuff19:22
kerioat least osx's throttling doesn't cause overheating19:22
DocScrutinizer05intel on-chip is low power low heat low speed19:23
DocScrutinizer05the "dedicated" "external" GPU however has the capability to turn the device into a pan to fry eggs on it19:23
keriooh, i always have that :D19:24
DocScrutinizer05under windows you can switch between both dynamically on demand, not so under X1119:24
DocScrutinizer05ATI "Mobility Radeon HD 3650"19:29
ShadowJKdo you have cooling policy: passive19:41
Palifreemangordon, when commiting to cssu git repos, check if debian/rules has executable bit19:48
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: where would I check/set that policy?19:48
Paliand also text/source files should be without executable19:48
DocScrutinizer05btw in memoriam Apollo17: 40 years of silence on moon19:49
Palifreemangordon anyway, I fixed it in https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-systemui-powerkeymenu/19:50
Pali+ I added new package osso-systemui-powerkeymenu-dev which is needed for bulding (diablo) mce19:50
Palicontains header file with dbus methods19:51
lufPali: can you please upload newest pulseaudio to -devel?19:57
Paliluf, going to poweron qemu :P19:58
lufPali: nice19:58
freemangordonPali: hmm, I am more than sure i've tested alarmui in silent profile19:59
freemangordonanyway, i'll check again19:59
freemangordonPali: stop that :D20:01
freemangordoni.e. WFM :P20:01
freemangordonPali: BTW sorry for the executable build of debian/rules, I am using such a mixture of windoze and linux, that sometimes I forget to fix the things before commiting20:05
freemangordons/build/flag20:05
freemangordonkerio, luf: ping20:05
keriopong20:05
lufpong20:05
freemangordonguys, could you confirm alarm works in silent profile20:06
kerioyep20:06
kerioconfirm20:06
kerioed20:06
freemangordonok, thanks20:06
luffreemangordon: I'm testing.20:07
freemangordonPali: are you sure you didn't play with PA policies on your device? or it is not harm profiled to blame?20:07
Palihm, now working20:09
Paliyesterday not20:09
PaliI tested that yesterday and it not worked ..20:09
freemangordonPali: BTW now you pushed stuff to powerkeymenu, please, build it and upload to -devel, after all powerkeymenu will be in the next -testing20:09
freemangordonwe'd better have tested your commits, not matter if they are just a code cleanup20:10
Paliok20:10
luffreemangordon: alarm in silent profile works here also. I'm testing calendar notification ...20:13
freemangordonluf: i think it should not ring. calenadar alram that is20:14
freemangordonwhen in silent20:14
luffreemangordon: you're right. I have to test it with stock also20:17
lufI like more to have cal alarm ring also in silent (I know that DocS is againist).20:18
luffreemangordon: or osso-systemui-alarm doesn't affect cal alarm?20:19
lufBTW updated glibc seems to be ok (but just few tests).20:22
freemangordonluf: not sure, though iirc it depends on libnotify whether there will be sound or not20:24
freemangordonPali: please fix XcssuY too berfore building20:28
freemangordonof powerkeymenu i mean20:29
arceannew h-d and libmatchbox2 in cssu-devel20:31
arceanPali: it should fix problems with applets in portrait mode20:31
Paliok20:31
Palipulseaudio was compiled & pushed20:32
lufPali: thanks.20:33
luffreemangordon: stock alarm has the same behaviour.21:11
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