IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Wednesday, 2012-10-31

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DocScrutinizer05DataGhost: eh?00:30
DocScrutinizer05cat x >>x  ??00:30
DocScrutinizer05echo ten_bytes>file, head -n 100000 file >>file00:32
DocScrutinizer05to create a 1MB file with known content00:32
DocScrutinizer05s/,/;/00:33
DocScrutinizer05DataGhost: ulimit -f00:35
DocScrutinizer05though fsckng busybox doesn't support it?00:38
DocScrutinizer05maybe maemo doesn't support it?00:40
DataGhostno I was doing a recursive grep and piping it through tee, so when grep hit that file, tee kept on filling it and grep kept on grepping that00:41
DocScrutinizer05ooh, maemo just blows chunks on 10000000 blocks for ulimit -f00:43
DocScrutinizer05DataGhost: well, that's exactly what I commented about in prev posts00:44
DocScrutinizer05since you can do same thing with less cpu load, by cat x >>x00:44
DocScrutinizer05and you can stop impact of both by ulimit -f <blocks>00:45
DocScrutinizer05though I guess on maemo there's an implicit "ulimit -f" of 2GB filesize anyway00:46
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: you mean a 2GB limit on vfat08:24
DocScrutinizer05I mean a 2GB limit of 32bit kernels08:25
DocScrutinizer05a few days ago somebody argued with me and seemed to claim the limit of vfat is actually 4GB08:26
DocScrutinizer05while on maemo we evidently have a 2GB limit08:27
DocScrutinizer05which makes sense for signed int32 function return, with <0 == Error08:28
DocScrutinizer05such int32 return for file functions should apply to all fs, not only vfat08:29
DocScrutinizer05I never tried to create a >2GB file on /home08:29
keriothere's probably not enough space anyway :)08:29
DocScrutinizer05I leave that up to sb who got extended /home part08:30
DocScrutinizer05my suspicion: even on ext3 there'll hit the kernel's 31bit limit08:31
DocScrutinizer05well, I could check on a SD card08:34
DocScrutinizer05or a USB stick08:34
DocScrutinizer05and I seem to recall people reporting issues with files >2GB08:34
DocScrutinizer05kerio: how's about your energy for investigations? create a uSD with ext3 and a 3 or even 5GB file on it? then insert to N90008:36
DocScrutinizer05I have to leave now for my awesome daywork job08:36
DocScrutinizer05so you could be the one to discover this issue08:37
DocScrutinizer05or prove all concerns moot08:37
DocScrutinizer05keep in mind this might differ between stock and KP08:38
DocScrutinizer05sounds like an interesting topic, no?08:38
DocScrutinizer05kerio: probably checking struct buffer in sys/stat.h should suffice to tell if kernel file functions use a int32, uint32, or (u)int6408:46
lufDocScrutinizer05: if I remember right 2GB is limit for vfat.09:07
lufI saw larger files on different FS (xfs, extX,...) on 32-bit. The problem with different FSes are compatibility with win world.09:08
freemangordonluf:from wikipedia:09:09
freemangordon4,294,967,295 bytes (4 GB - 1) with FAT16B and FAT32[1]09:09
freemangordonit is 4GB - 1 as ~0 is used for end of chain iirc09:11
luffreemangordon: my experiences are different.09:42
freemangordonluf: it depends on the cluster size ;)09:43
freemangordoniirc you need 32k cluster to have 4GB file09:43
freemangordonor was it 64k?09:43
lufok :) I used default values as I hope it's the most tested :)09:44
freemangordon:)09:44
freemangordonluf: btw your modified PA is in -thumb09:45
freemangordonwhich reminds me.. what is the status of bluez?09:45
luffreemangordon: thanks. I have to find some spare time for thumb ...09:45
luffreemangordon: I installed it again on my main N900 so I hope it's quiet stable. But testing is needed.09:46
lufOh I forgot to upload the latest greatest :D09:47
lufBluez devel fixed the last problem with AudioSource.Connect so I see no pending bugs right now.09:47
freemangordonand wthat about that guy on TMO with desconectiong issues, or it is unrelated?09:48
freemangordonluf: upload or push?09:49
lufThe guy has problem with stock bluez (and also with the new one). So maybe it's not bluez related.09:49
luffreemangordon: The git contains all latest changes (except changelog) :)09:50
freemangordonaah, the paragraph 22 in the kernel, I see09:50
luffreemangordon: what?09:51
freemangordonstock kernel does not work OK with some HS. There was/is a patch in KP that fixed the issue, but made another set of HS/HF to not work :D09:52
freemangordonSo we decided to revert to stock behaviour in latest KP versions ;)09:53
freemangordonthe funny thing is that patch is for HID devices :D09:53
freemangordon*the patch09:53
lufAhh I get the message. Ok.09:54
freemangordonoops, it is catch 22 in english :D09:54
freemangordonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-2209:55
* freemangordon wonders who was that to translate "catch" as "clause" in bulgarian09:57
lufI'm trying to find info how to handle SMS notifications for obexd MAP push function ...09:58
freemangordonyou should be able to do that via dbus09:58
freemangordonanyway, I am on my way to office, bbl09:59
lufYou're right. dbus is the right way. I see N900 Notifier and it's python code now :)10:03
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freemangordonluf: I hopy you won;t use python for your stuff :P11:09
freemangordon*hope11:09
luffreemangordon: you're right as usual but I see the way how to handle it ;) And it's important.11:16
lufBTW I saw no C example on SMS notification.11:17
freemangordonluf: just setup a dbus listener , for the same signals, should be easy11:23
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lufkerio: I'm trying nap in bluez-4.99 and it seems that it works :) I need to finish some configuration but I connected and it adds the bnep0 into the bridge on N900 side.12:37
merlin1991btw luf is the pa anything for -testing?12:39
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lufmerlin1991: what do you mean with pa - pulseaudio?12:40
merlin1991yep12:40
lufHmmm. To be honest I don't think about it. I know that just me and pali tested it.12:40
lufI add there just new functionality which shouldn't affect any previous features.12:41
lufMaybe it should go into -testing now or wait for next testing.12:42
lufThe change is support for AudioSource + add loopback module so anyone is able to play sound from another source on N900. But it's not user friendly and I have to write some wiki about it.12:43
merlin1991okay12:44
luf(support AudioSource means take AudioSource from another BT host)12:44
merlin1991hm would it work to connect multiple n900s with one BT host and have them all playback what the host has? :D12:46
lufI think it's possible as long as the host has possibility to connect to multiple N900s.12:47
lufBut I think that sound from such N900s shouldn't be synchronized.12:47
merlin1991would be funny to place them in the room and suddnely have musik from everywhere xD12:47
merlin1991yeah sync would probably suck12:47
* merlin1991 headdesks12:50
lufProbably you can also create a chain of N900 to get the sound from the last one (far away from the source)12:50
merlin1991why did I upload the new -testing stuff into the pre testing repo and then remove it locally? the repo import eats the .changes files :/12:51
lufYou did to to have more fun? :)12:51
merlin1991bah12:51
merlin1991I still have to evaluate sqlite and possibly build qt412:51
merlin1991btw luckily I didn't remove the openssl stuff12:52
merlin1991because that build takes forever :D12:52
merlin1991wtf gitorious claims my public key is m00t12:53
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merlin1991btw luf any reason why debian/rules in obexd isn't +x ?12:55
freemangordonmerlin1991: PA is n -thumb for a couple of days, so far no problems. I even use it on my primary device12:56
lufmerlin1991: because diff ?12:56
lufmerlin1991: I don't see how to change it. So I live with it and do chmod a+x debian rules each time I use patch on top of orig source.12:57
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merlin1991damn diff and patch :D12:58
freemangordonhmm, why not use quilt?12:58
merlin1991because we're using git aswell? and quilt withing git is kinda bad for your mental health12:59
luffreemangordon: I'm not so good in debian packaging and I took the package from maemo or wheezy.13:00
lufI'm still learning it.13:00
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merlin1991luf: quilt is great when you're working based on source tarballs, but it doesn't make much sense when you have the source in a git repo anyway13:00
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lufkerio: Good, I'm able to ping N900 using bluez-4.99 + builtin NAP + kernel-power 52 :)13:01
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freemangordon:)13:01
lufmerlin1991: I'm using debian/patches againist source tarballs13:02
merlin1991why don't you apply the patches and make git commits?13:02
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freemangordonmerlin1991: hmm, it is better to keep patches unapplied13:02
lufI think it's simplier to upgrade to new upstream version when I need.13:02
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freemangordon:nod:13:03
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merlin1991:antinod:13:03
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merlin1991git checkout "commitof orgignial source" git checkout -b "somebranch" drop new tarball git rebase --onto forgotpropersyntax here and you're done13:04
merlin1991ah yeah commit the new tarball before the rebase ofc :)13:04
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freemangordonmerlin1991: I am not that experienced with git :D. seems luf is not either :P13:08
merlin1991you can picture each commit in git as a simple patch file :)13:08
merlin1991so they can be moved around, applied in different order, applied elsewhere, ...13:08
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merlin1991btw freemangordon I've recued the number of commands to completeley reset to a cloned tree to 2: git clean -dfxe .gitignore && git reset --hard13:11
merlin1991s/recued/reduced/13:11
infobotmerlin1991 meant: btw freemangordon I've reduced the number of commands to completeley reset to a cloned tree to 2: git clean -dfxe .gitignore && git reset --hard13:11
freemangordon:D13:12
freemangordongood13:12
merlin1991sometimes reading manpages can save further work :P13:12
freemangordon2 instead of 3, 33.3~% reduction in CPU load :D:D:D13:12
merlin1991nah the biggest improvement is on the # of letters you have to type ;)13:13
Palimerlin1991, can you look at other merge requests on gitorious?13:15
merlin1991which one is still open apart from the qt4 one?13:15
Palihttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/merge_requests/2413:16
Palihttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/modest-l10n/merge_requests/313:16
Palihttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/freetype/merge_requests/213:16
Palihttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/merge_requests/113:16
Palihttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/merge_requests/413:16
Palihttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/merge_requests/513:17
arceanno! please do not merge https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/merge_requests/24 :D13:17
merlin1991yeah :P13:17
Palithats should be all open13:18
merlin1991modest-l10n is not merged but fixed, freetype I have to investigate, and the qt4 ones, #1 is invalid since the -O fix, #4 can be merged, #5 is in review13:19
merlin1991I dunno what todo with the modest-l10n mg, it is not merged, but fixed13:20
merlin1991hm odd, I have no freetype clone on this machine13:22
merlin1991ah it's only in my -stable tree, seems mag built that for -testing13:23
Palimerlin1991, mark modest as merged (so it will not be open) and write that problem was fixed13:23
Palimerlin1991, for qt #5 all lines "unknown-control-file digsigsums" should be removed13:26
merlin1991yeah I know13:26
merlin1991that's harmattan dpkg cruft which is not affecting us :)13:26
Palibecause fremantle scratchbox (or other build system) does not generate any digsigsums13:26
Pali:-)13:26
Paliand we can ignore all lintian errors13:27
merlin1991I know too well about digsigsums, I even wrote a custom distutils module for python to build harmattan debs on regular linux :)13:27
Palibecause debhelper 5 (or 4) which is supported by fremantle does not have any support for lintian13:27
Paliinfo to merge request added13:30
Paliarcean, merlin1991, what is wrong with hildon-desktop #24 ?13:31
Palisomething which can lock orientation to portrait (for apps which support portrait) can be usefull13:32
jon_yanybody planning to roll cdebootstrap? :)13:33
merlin1991jon_y: nfc what that even is :D13:33
jon_yC version of debootstrap13:34
jon_yroll your own easy debian in a chroot :)13:34
Palimerlin1991, also see https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/vte/merge_requests/113:35
merlin1991jon_y: I don't even use easy debian :P13:37
merlin1991arcean: care to comment on the portrait lock mg and it's shortcomings?13:37
jon_ynot really easy debian, just debian13:37
freemangordonmerlin1991: it works *most* of the time13:39
freemangordonI used it on my device13:39
freemangordonbut it brings problems sometimes, with orientation. Can;t remember what exactly13:40
freemangordonarcean: how do you think, is it possible such functionality to be implemented? at least for h-d & co.13:41
Palimerlin1991, vte commit is bad13:45
Palimerlin1991, now after merge there is mess :-(13:46
merlin1991hm it looked good here?13:46
PaliI used git format-patch to apply all old commits on top of nokia git repo13:47
Paliso after rewriting git history is needed to git push --force13:47
Palito change HEAD13:47
merlin1991well this way we keep the repo sane, but ofc I could --force a new head with a "clean" history13:48
Palimerlin1991, git reset --hard d9bae416db8945a4d08b12d057d57eea84ddae04 && git push --force13:48
merlin1991okay did that13:50
freemangordonarcean, Pali, merlin1991: if we define what is "portrait lock" supposed to mean, I will implement ot in h-d13:50
freemangordon*it13:50
Palithere are 3 types of apps: 1) which support both modes 2) which support only landscape 3) only portrait13:51
Paliand portrait/landscape lock should be only only for type 1)13:51
Paliwe should not force (by default) apps which does not support needed mode13:52
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Palifreemangordon, merlin1991, arcean: what do you think about lock only for 1) ?13:53
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Paliif somebody enable forcerotation then any nonblacklisted application from 2) and 3) is moved to group 1)13:54
Palior do you have better idea for lock?13:55
freemangordonsounds sane13:56
merlin1991that sounds perfectly sane13:57
freemangordonand maybe it is time we should remove blacklist13:57
merlin1991why?13:58
freemangordonand leave only whitelist for force-rotation13:58
merlin1991people can already use the whitelist afaik13:58
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freemangordonwell, i'll rethink on that13:58
Palimerlin1991, conversation app should be added to blacklist13:58
merlin1991but for whatever reasons most of them still use forced flag + blacklist13:58
freemangordonbut yes, what Pali said sound sane to me.13:59
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merlin1991Pali: I'd rather get the friggin css patch into cssu13:59
freemangordonbut the first think I am going to do(after i issue new thumb -mp)13:59
freemangordonmerlin1991: :nod:13:59
merlin1991have beere?13:59
merlin1991-e13:59
Palimerlin1991, and is that css patch working?14:00
merlin1991Pali: yep14:00
Paliif yes, why is not in cssu yet?14:00
merlin1991no *patch* on device14:00
freemangordonPali: I am using it on my device since the day one14:00
PaliI thought that css patch does not working correctly14:00
Paliah14:00
merlin1991and we can't reship conversations since nokia closed14:00
freemangordonmerlin1991: actually we can14:00
merlin1991and nobody went and prepared proper sed / whatever scripts14:00
Palimerlin1991, ignore that nokia closed14:00
merlin1991freemangordon: well it's cleaner if we don't reship a binary pacakge14:01
Paliquim already wrote that we can modify any nokia sw for nokia devices14:01
Palifor oss project14:01
freemangordonmerlin1991: i'll upload the scripts on your server, as it is tested and works for sure14:01
merlin1991and god forbid actually put the binary blobs into a git repo to version our stuff14:01
freemangordons/scripts/css/14:01
infobotfreemangordon meant: merlin1991: i'll upload the css on your server, as it is tested and works for sure14:01
Palifreemangordon, which package has problematic css file?14:02
merlin1991i'd rather have a funky postinst prerm package14:02
freemangordonno idea14:02
freemangordonmerlin1991: that's ok, but we should have the .diff anyway14:02
merlin1991yea14:02
freemangordonand as you have at least one "stock" device...14:03
freemangordon:P14:03
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arceanQt based apps listen to MCE, and from H-D POV you never know if they support portrait mode until you're about to rotate to portrait14:03
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Paliarcean, so need to patch qt library?14:03
arceanmaybe :)14:04
freemangordonarcean: so, we can't lock qt apps?14:04
Paliok, deb package is rtcom-messaging-ui14:05
arceanfreemangordon, it's not as easy as with gtk/hildon based apps14:05
freemangordonarcean: why not? we have the source after all14:05
PaliI suggest to create new deb package rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait which dpkg-divert old file and install new14:05
freemangordon:P14:05
freemangordonPali: :nod:14:05
Paliand include full new patched file into dsc/git/deb package14:05
PaliI can do it14:06
freemangordonok, i'll mail you css files14:06
PaliI found this: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1197614:06
povbot_Bug 11976: viewing sms conversations in portrait mode without horizontal scrolling (patch)14:06
freemangordonwe just need merlin to create the repo :P14:06
Paliok, now going offline14:07
freemangordonPali: I think I use that, but some of those css have some buck, which hangs conversations app14:07
freemangordon*bug14:07
merlin1991freemangordon: which repo? :D14:08
Paliok, sent me to email fixed version14:08
freemangordonPali: ok14:08
freemangordonmerlin1991: ok, gitorious :P14:08
freemangordonanyway, the first thing to do is to RE alarm sysui plugin. IT DRIVES ME NUTS14:09
freemangordonI cannot wake up because of it :D14:09
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arceanok, here's the problem: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/blobs/master/src/gui/kernel/qwidget_x11.cpp#line26614:13
arceanand also lines 279-28114:14
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arceanthe _HILDON_PORTRAIT_MODE_SUPPORT should be always set if app supports portrait mode14:15
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freemangordonarcean: i don;t see the problem with that code. what is it?15:26
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freemangordonaah, i see, we should anly set request and have support always set15:27
freemangordon*only15:27
arceanfreemangordon: yes :)15:27
arceanfrom H-D POV 'request ' means rotate the app to portrait as soon as possible15:28
arceaneven if the current device orientation is landscape15:29
merlin1991luf: do I need to add any extra package for pulseaudio?15:32
lufmerlin1991: ugh I don't think so. But MMNT. Maybe I planned to create new package for loopback.15:36
merlin1991mmnt? :D15:36
lufone moment please :)15:36
lufmerlin1991: No extra package for pulseaudio. New code in pulseaudio-module-bluetooth and loopback is included into pulseaudio package15:38
merlin1991thanks15:38
* merlin1991 should resort the mp depends15:39
merlin1991it's getting tedious to add stuff15:39
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merlin1991luf: does the map support in current obexd push the sms now?15:44
lufmerlin1991: no push feature now for map15:45
freemangordonarcean: I know. Thak code needs to be reworked.15:45
merlin1991okay so I can write in the changelog added initial map support (no notifications no message push) ?15:45
freemangordon*That15:45
lufmerlin1991: yes. The changelog is correct in obexd.15:46
freemangordonarcean: the logic should be: if (orientation == Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation) the set(portrait_support)15:47
lufI have to leave now. But ssh over BT PAN i really good :) I'm affraid I'll have to write some app for settings bridge etc :(15:49
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merlin1991does this look about right? http://paste.debian.net/205261/15:50
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freemangordonabout right? yes :P15:59
merlin1991I'm mainly asking if I missed a package :)15:59
freemangordonaah, luf left. i still don;t like the idea of using bridge in BT15:59
freemangordonmerlin1991: IDK, there wasn't much new stuff since the last update aiui16:01
merlin1991I have to say the D-Link DIR-635 sucks16:07
merlin1991whenever I want to test something on the n900 the wireless is down :/16:07
merlin1991awesome, when I put the router into g and n mode the n900 can't find it anymore16:23
merlin1991anybody in here who is on -testing and not -thumb (besides doc?)16:25
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: when are guine pig ready?16:32
DocScrutinizer51need another 2h doing boring nuttin in job :-/16:33
merlin1991no worries I've got time :)16:33
DocScrutinizer51boss busy, I'm blocked and bored16:34
DocScrutinizer51I guess I could leave in 1:3016:35
DocScrutinizer51merlin1991: NUKE DAT DIR615!!! CRAP!16:38
merlin1991DocScrutinizer51: I totally agree, though it's a dir635 no 615 ;)16:39
DocScrutinizer51ooops16:40
DocScrutinizer51prolly the sw is identical horseshit16:42
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kerioah dammit, luf left :(17:52
* kerio lols at merlin1991 not being quite able to find cssu-testing users that don't have -thumb installed :D17:52
kerioDocScrutinizer51: what's the l33t router for l33t kidz nowadays? something from mikrotik?17:53
kerioi don't like the non-open OS on those routers :(17:53
DocScrutinizer51kerio: nfc17:54
DocScrutinizer51Imd get a fritzbox17:54
DocScrutinizer51I'd*17:55
keriowhat's the OS?17:55
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ShadowJKi thought fritzbox was a modem you get free?18:17
ShadowJK(just assuming since my non-geek relatives have one)18:17
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DocScrutinizer51it's foss linux18:34
DocScrutinizer51afaik18:35
DocScrutinizer51and it's as free as an iPhone with your carrier contract18:36
DocScrutinizer51actually the 7390 is ~250EUR unsubsidized18:37
keriosheeeeeeeeet18:37
kerioa routerboard with gigE and dual-band wifi is like 80$18:38
kerioit doesn't do voip though18:38
DocScrutinizer51and no p2p downloads on USB mass stoarge18:38
kerioi have a sheevaplug for that18:39
DocScrutinizer51LOL18:39
DocScrutinizer51and shivaplug is how much?18:39
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DocScrutinizer51(incl psu etc)18:40
DocScrutinizer51I got a wrt53g now18:42
DocScrutinizer51with ddWRT18:42
DocScrutinizer51just works18:43
DocScrutinizer51of course no awesome DSL modem, so no diagnostics for DSL18:44
* ShadowJK has a tp-link 1043nd, a linksys wrt54gl (tomato fw), and a sheevaplug18:44
DocScrutinizer51err 5418:45
ShadowJKsheevaplug psu is pants. I ripped it out and replaced it with a wallwart bought from a consumer electronics store18:45
ShadowJKHeh, i guess my linksys is on about its fifth psu too. The router is approaching 10 years in age couple years still18:46
DocScrutinizer51kerio: btw fsck the voip, the fritzbox comes with analog+ISDN, and DECT as well18:49
kerioShadowJK: i got my PSU replaced under warranty18:49
kerioDocScrutinizer51: a guruplug is like 120$18:49
kerio*dreamplug18:50
DocScrutinizer51you cna get PBX that  do less for mor $$$18:50
DocScrutinizer51so what? add in a TA and a DSL modem, and a DECT station, and you're WAAAY beyond 25018:52
keriobut i already have a sheevaplug18:54
kerioi won't substitute that18:54
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DocScrutinizer05I won't waste my time answering your questions if you don't wanna hear them18:59
kerio:(18:59
kerioyou're mean!18:59
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ShadowJKshipping made warranty not worth it19:18
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: I'll be back from shopping in 45 min20:27
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Palimerlin1991, will you include ke-recv patch from https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-ke-recv to next devel/cssu?20:58
Palior testing?20:58
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merlin1991shit I knew I'll forget something22:26
merlin1991well luckily so far only I did *test* the new release :)22:26
merlin1991Pali: I'll test it and depending on the result include it :)22:26
Paliok, thanks!22:26
merlin1991hm if [ -z "$IP_GW" ]; then IP_GW=${IP_ADDR%.*}.$((${IP_ADDR##*.}-1)); fi wtf is the result then? :D22:27
merlin1991(in case IP_GW is empty)22:28
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DocScrutinizer05advanced shell expansion obfuscation23:08
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: lol, it calculates an IP with last octet decremented by one, from IP_ADD23:16
merlin1991okay :)23:17
DocScrutinizer05${parameter##word}              Remove matching prefix pattern. (greedy)23:26
DocScrutinizer05${parameter%word}               Remove matching suffix pattern.23:26
DocScrutinizer051.2.3.4%.* -> 1.2.323:27
DocScrutinizer051.2.3.4##*. -> 423:28
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