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| kerio | yo freemangordon | 16:39 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: hi | 17:45 |
| kerio | sup | 17:46 |
| freemangordon | oil prices? | 17:46 |
| kerio | ooh, neat | 17:49 |
| kerio | anyway, moar thumb plskthx | 17:50 |
| freemangordon | will try to put some more packages in the repo soon | 17:53 |
| kerio | yay | 17:53 |
| kerio | pulse/tracker? | 17:53 |
| kerio | that would be cool | 17:53 |
| freemangordon | without -mp thing initially, I wan't them tested by a couple of brave souls/guinea pigs before doing -mp thingie | 17:53 |
| kerio | freemangordon: what's your opinion of sqlite3 from marmistrz? | 17:53 |
| freemangordon | kerio: do I have one? | 17:54 |
| freemangordon | (opinion) | 17:54 |
| kerio | i mean, it's something that's not in cssu | 17:54 |
| kerio | would you consider compiling it? | 17:54 |
| kerio | and shipping it, i s'pose | 17:54 |
| freemangordon | kerio: I already ansered that quiestio | 17:54 |
| freemangordon | *answered | 17:54 |
| kerio | ...although technically for "system" packages it's not the same thing, you can put it on the repo without adding it to the metapackage | 17:55 |
| freemangordon | won't put newer sqlite 3 until it is not in 'main' CSSU | 17:55 |
| kerio | shame | 17:55 |
| kerio | :c | 17:55 |
| freemangordon | why? | 17:55 |
| freemangordon | you have some problems with stock sqlite3 version? | 17:56 |
| kerio | i'm using the more recent one, and it feels a bit faster | 17:56 |
| kerio | tracker uses sqlite | 17:56 |
| freemangordon | gcc 4.6.2? | 17:56 |
| freemangordon | or 4.6.1? | 17:56 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: how do i check? | 17:57 |
| freemangordon | NFC | 17:57 |
| freemangordon | but IIRC marmistrz's has compiled it with gcc4.6.x | 17:57 |
| kerio | hm | 17:58 |
| kerio | then it's ok, i suppose | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | kerio: BTW - "3.6.14-1maemo4+0m5+0cssu0+thumb0" | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | this is in -thumb | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | can you check your? | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | *yours | 17:58 |
| kerio | which package? | 17:59 |
| kerio | sqlite3, libsqlite3-0? | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | both | 18:00 |
| kerio | oh, the version is the same | 18:00 |
| kerio | 3.7.7-2+maemo2+0m6maemo0 | 18:00 |
| kerio | i wonder if the thumb version would be faster | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | should be | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | difference between 47-linaro and 4.6-upstream for arm is noticeable | 18:01 |
| kerio | hm | 18:01 |
| freemangordon | ok, going to thumb-compile pulseaudio | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thumb-compile pulseaudio | tee -a /etc/bullshit >/dev/null | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or terse: | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~nuke PA | 18:25 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at PA ... Bâ¢â¢M! | 18:25 | |
| kerio | oh, i thought you were going to say thumb-compile pulseaudio >> /etc/bullshit | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas we're obviously stuck to that poettering PA BS, since it's way too entangled with whole maemo system | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so getting it thombified could only improve shit | 18:27 |
| kerio | what's the alternative? | 18:27 |
| kerio | alsa+dmix? | 18:27 |
| freemangordon | exactly, we'll have better PA shit :D | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better shit >> shit | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no sarcasm, modulo at PA in general | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: see last post, 3 lines up: there's no alternative | 18:28 |
| kerio | no, i meant when hypothetically redesigning everything | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there'd be the alternative of pure ALSA with a few small extensions I designed, if we'd stop a new OS out of the ground | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stomp* | 18:29 |
| kerio | well, let's do that | 18:31 |
| kerio | >:D | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it would work way more seamlessly with any generic ALSA audio enabled app, without special freakin tweaks to deal with shite like alsaped etc | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all it needs is a .alsarc device definition for each app using audio, to define an ALSA device exclusively for that app | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the whole friggin properties like audio policies etc would get defined implicitly by the device definition | 18:33 |
| kerio | hm, is that efficient enough? | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | each app had their own volume control | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | efficient? | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in which way? | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is PA efficient?? | 18:33 |
| kerio | a new ALSA device for each program | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr | 18:34 |
| kerio | unless i misunderstood | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware what's a virtual ALSA device? it's nothing more than just a definition of the stack of lib plugins and their paramenters to use by the particular app, executed in app | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 's addr space | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's absolutely no difference whether every app is using "ALSA:default" or each app has their own "ALSA:myaudiodev-$appname" | 18:36 |
| kerio | ok, so it's efficient | 18:36 |
| kerio | cool | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | performance-wise | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to check out http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/message/1731 and http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/ACI/ | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly POC in http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/ACI/acihooklib/ | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which I invented | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a friggin useful ALSA plugin to basically execute arbitrary commands whenever an arbitrary app opens (or closes) the dedicated ALSA device | 18:43 |
| jon_y | speaking of VOIP, has anybody tried to pipe it trough the voice modem? :) | 18:43 |
| jon_y | using my voice modem as a pots modem :) | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could switch on your home stereo PA when sip-phone ringer opens riger device, so you hear phone ringing even while you're in the garden | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course you also can setup arbitrary mixer setup to accomodate the "policies" of ringer or whatever the device | 18:44 |
| kerio | "I HAVE THE SOFTWARE 21.2011.38.1 ON MY N900.when i install from CSSU the software open a window of Xterm and he do the operation . after that he said me that is an error i don't remember where and he talk me to press a key to get out . ok after that i install the update . after that the orientation LANDSCAPE - Horizondat - vertical doesnt work . same thing in the applications ... i dont know what to do. i will REINSTALL ALL THE MAEMO and i will not in | 18:44 |
| kerio | stall ever CSSU .i cant take a software if is not working.better get him out.thanks" | 18:44 |
| kerio | what the fuck | 18:44 |
| kerio | this shit right here is the reason i don't follow TMO too closely | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lart this moron, fire, forget | 18:45 |
| jon_y | ihavethesoftware21.2011.38.1onmyn900wheniinstallfromcssu.... | 18:45 |
| jon_y | sounded like that to me :) | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | URL? | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I feel like answering ;-P | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I like the idea, gimme a minute | 18:47 |
| kerio | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1284798 | 18:47 |
| jon_y | heh, ihavethesoftware21.2011.38.1onmyn900wheniinstallfromcssu...sobsobsob | 18:48 |
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| BCMM | "an error i don't remember where" - "well there's a fix but i don't remember what it is" | 19:01 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: PA is in thumb repo, upgrade if you dare :P | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | 160k more free in rootfs | 19:29 |
| ShadowJK | freemangordon; been doing anything more on ramzswap? | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | I suspended for a while, until it is clear if it makes sense to continue | 19:31 |
| kerio | freemangordon: do i dare? D: | 19:32 |
| kerio | meh, i'm taking a full backup first | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | hmm, telefony still works | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | *telephony | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | audio playback too, so it should be ok | 19:33 |
| kerio | it's just a recompile, isn't it | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | freemangordon; well, would be interesting to see how much of swapin comes from the compressed part with your current version | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | kerio: yes | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | plus luf's patches for BT | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: yeah, I was thinking to remove compression. | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | that way we'll have flash-optimized swap | 19:37 |
| kerio | freemangordon: a cheap compression is probably better anyway | 19:37 |
| kerio | unless the NAND is *really* fast | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | but want first to issue a new update in -thumb as it passed a month or so since the last one | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | kerio: no, it is not | 19:38 |
| Pali | kerio, I'm here | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | n900 has not enough RAM for that to be effective | 19:38 |
| kerio | freemangordon: :( | 19:38 |
| Pali | kerio, what did you asked yesterday? | 19:38 |
| kerio | freemangordon: should i reboot? | 19:45 |
| kerio | meh, i'll reboot | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | kerio: yes | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | kerio: make sure you've upgraded 7 packages | 19:46 |
| kerio | i just did apt-get upgrade bro | 19:46 |
| kerio | :P | 19:46 |
| kerio | freemangordon: works | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you asked me to let luf and freemangordon know sth. Now you can do that your own | 19:58 |
| freemangordon | kerio: yeah. lets see how will that affect battery life | 19:58 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, luf already received messages :-) | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: i'd be most interested in CPU hogging of PA before and after thombification | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: battery life is a secondary function of that | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :nod: | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | though aiui the one that uses CPU is in the closed part | 20:00 |
| kerio | freemangordon: when on speaker, though | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: yeah, prolly XPROT | 20:01 |
| kerio | can't we get some good speakers to install? | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | kerio: ? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, iirc PA mixing is a hogging greedy bastard as well | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: hardly | 20:02 |
| kerio | at least speakers that won't break if you look at them wrong | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: any idea how to measure that? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nifty | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: speakers are fine for their size and compartment | 20:03 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: they break! | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is missing low-cut filter in whole audio chain, and speakers of that size generally can't deal with frequencies below ~150Hz | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's basically what XPROT is suspected to accomplish: cut out low frequencies | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically a hw bug | 20:04 |
| kerio | yeah, let's get some new hw without that bug then :) | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the 180° opposite of what we had on FreeRunner ;-P | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there we had a lowcut in hw that didn't allow freq < ~1kHz on headset :-o | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: we can lock the frequency to lets say 250 and check PA CPU usage | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | playing one and the same song | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | an both devices | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | *on | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | i'll do the test tomorrow | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cool :-) | 20:06 |
| kerio | "we're gonna play to one song, and one song only" | 20:07 |
| Skry | btw what resampler PA is using in fremantle? | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't the resampler aka rate-conversion an immanent part of PA as well as ALSA? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway PA 'mixer' been notorious to do "(0 + 0) / 2" 44k/s even for streams that been already closed or at least inactive. That's been a logical consequence of PA's broken-by-design async concept for plugins | 20:12 |
| Skry | PA uses speex or ffmpeg (and perhaps something else) for conversion, speex can be a real cpu hog depending of the settings/method | 20:13 |
| ShadowJK | freemangordon; that's why I was interested in stats on reads from compressed, if a large proportion is read from compressed cache it might be worthwhile to keep it. | 20:14 |
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