| Pali | going offline now, bye all | 00:06 |
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| romaxa | hmm interesting, by some reason my N900 cannot catch satelites in maps applications | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | romaxa: use supl.google.com | 00:10 |
| kerio | i wonder if i can warez the sygic navigator | 00:12 |
| kerio | i doubt there's *one* dude that downloaded it | 00:12 |
| romaxa | DocScrutinizer05: what happened with internal real GPS device? | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | romaxa: hmm? supl is for real AGPS via real GPS device | 00:15 |
| romaxa | DocScrutinizer05: ah, ok I see | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only that supl.nokia.com is known to have hit the sack | 00:15 |
| ShadowJK_ | supl.nokia.com has been working lately for me again | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or should I say it bite the dust | 00:15 |
| ShadowJK_ | no wait | 00:16 |
| ShadowJK_ | I had it set to google lol | 00:16 |
| kerio | lol | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK_: prolly same as it ever was: 3 of the 45 servers still work - the others... not | 00:16 |
| ShadowJK_ | Yeah maybe | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we really should roll out a improver app that asks user "should I fix this shit? should I clean that mess?" | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK_ | Oh btw, I was in a to me unfamiliar city a few weeks ago, and there was a street that the Maps app didn't have... But, when I wiped the cities directory, Maps started downloading from the map server instead, and the new street was included | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK_ | too bad there's no way to make it "check if there's newer data online" | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | design flaw in OSM? | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK_ | Oh sorry, I was talking about Nokia/Ovi Maps | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK_ | Well the preloaded apps are probably meant for data-averse users, and from that point of view it makes sense | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not sure I agree | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK_ | Amusingly it still finds things when you search, it's just that the search result is in middle of nowhere | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK_ | or looks like that, because it doesn't draw the street | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hahahaha | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK_ | but the search is done online | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK_ | The number one reason people try to preload maps is because they don't have proper data subscribtion | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | design flaw failwale | 00:21 |
| kerio | preloading maps makes it faster, too | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also there's probably no diff tween preloaded and cached tiles | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if cache never expires, that's pretty bad | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK_ | These were the maps that were shipped preloaded with the device in 2009 | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess at Nokia simply nobody considered that problem | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "new streets??? are you kidding? how long do you think any user will use that device?" | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK_ | Nah, they seem to "get that", or atleast some Nokia person commented on apple's claim that their maps are "99.9% complete", by saying that by the time their mapping cars have uploaded their data and customer has downloaded new map, theirs have gone from 100 to 85%, or 50% in india | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK_ | :P | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "new nokia bl-5j battery with higher capacity? let's call the hw guys if they already planned something .... see? no problem with BSI, there'll never be any other than this very bl-5j we built bme for" | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK_ | Actually, bme is reporting design capacity of 1400-something for the new higher capacity Nokia BL-5J | 00:28 |
| merlin1991 | btw on harm the nokia (ovi) maps do have a cache age, and it updates tiles | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK_: ooooh | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK_ | I didn't check whether it otherwise behaves sanely, because I stop bme soon after boot anyways.. :P | 00:30 |
| * ShadowJK_ added it to his cluttered graph: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ohm.png | 00:31 | |
| ShadowJK_ | Roughly third best on this graph, ignoring mugen2400: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/margin.png | 00:32 |
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| ShadowJK_ | My japod is somewhere at 180 cycles now. Last capacity measurement at 178 cycles, 1412mAh. Was around 1460 new. | 00:35 |
| ShadowJK_ | New BL-5J 1473mAh, but the test conditions aren't exactly the same | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK_: could you prope BSI resistance? | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probe* | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and post value of `bsi-read` ? | 01:25 |
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| ShadowJK_ | I don't know of bsi-read? | 01:28 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK_: it is pre-installed | 01:29 |
| ShadowJK_ | remind me tomorrow anyway | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# bsi-read | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | raw BSI ADC reading: 469 | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BSI: 1014 | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ... | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ('old' bl-5j) | 01:30 |
| freemangordon | ~1750/(1024-469) | 01:31 |
| infobot | 3.153153153153 | 01:31 |
| freemangordon | hmm, looks like i cannot remember the formula | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | * dunnowhichfactor | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~1014/1320 | 01:33 |
| infobot | 0.768181818182 | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~1014 / 0.77 | 01:33 |
| infobot | 1316.883116883117 | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~1/0.77 | 01:33 |
| infobot | 1.298701298701 | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | 1000 * (10000 * voltage / 1705); | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~1014 * 1.3 | 01:34 |
| infobot | 1318.2 | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~1014 * 1.28 | 01:34 |
| infobot | 1297.92 | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth along that line, iirc | 01:34 |
| freemangordon | ~1000*(10000*468/1705) | 01:35 |
| infobot | 2744868.035190615803 | 01:35 |
| freemangordon | ~1000*(10000*1014/1705) | 01:36 |
| infobot | 5947214.07624633424 | 01:36 |
| freemangordon | the fuck | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | voltage??? | 01:36 |
| freemangordon | yeah, should be raw value | 01:37 |
| freemangordon | (1024-468)/1705 | 01:37 |
| freemangordon | ~(1024-468)/1705 | 01:37 |
| infobot | 0.326099706745 | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's BSI! | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mAh | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not voltage | 01:38 |
| freemangordon | it is voltage | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 01:38 |
| freemangordon | Iconst*Rbsi | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I couldn't care less | 01:39 |
| freemangordon | aah, I am stupid | 01:39 |
| freemangordon | ~1280 * (1200 * 468)/(1024 - 468) | 01:40 |
| infobot | 1292892.086330935359 | 01:40 |
| freemangordon | here it is | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now is this kabala or what? | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what all this is supposed to tell me | 01:43 |
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| ShadowJK_ | reporting.design: 1434 | 01:48 |
| ShadowJK_ | raw bsi adc reading 498, bsi 1136, raw battery level 705, battery level 4134 | 01:49 |
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| luf | Just for record and discussion or when someone want to help. Are you sure that PulseAudio on N900 supports A2DP Sources over BT? | 02:41 |
| luf | I tried N900 + bluez-4.99 with Notebook + bluez-4.98 +Audio Source and N900 in pactl list reports in Card just: | 02:42 |
| luf | Profiles: | 02:42 |
| luf | a2dp: High Fidelity Playback (A2DP) (sinks: 1, sources: 0, priority. 10) | 02:42 |
| luf | hsp: Telephony Duplex (HSP/HFP) (sinks: 1, sources: 1, priority. 20) | 02:42 |
| luf | off: Off (sinks: 0, sources: 0, priority. 0) | 02:42 |
| luf | When I play sound from N900 to my notebook I see also: a2dp_source: High Fidelity Redord (A2DP) (sinks: 0, sources: 1, priority. 10) | 02:44 |
| luf | So the question is if the patch or some successtor patch is included in maemo PA: http://www.digipedia.pl/usenet/thread/11149/5856/ | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | OK, FFS. WLAN scan causes BT HP dropout | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | every 5 minutes | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BUG! | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | muhaha, N900 changed to local WLAN just this moment. I knew it would be now, since last dropout been 5min ago | 04:17 |
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| SpacedOut | Good luck working around that one. That's why I have the auto WLAN scan disabled. Same problem here Motorolla S305 bluetooth headset. Now if someone could figure out why they drop in hands free mode on a voice call when WLAN is off (and stays there), I would like to hear about it. It stops sending/receiving audio completely, not the wlan scanning couple of seconds of glitchy audio then back to normal. | 04:49 |
| SpacedOut | DocScrutinizer05: I also get the bluetooth dropout glitchey audio when leaving the access point signal range and it tries to scan for the signal again. | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iwlist scan spoils the party | 04:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 blames friggin coexistence | 04:57 | |
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| kerio | or lack thereof | 07:33 |
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| SpacedOut | No kidding, I learned a while ago it doesn't work to do VoIP over WLAN talking with a bluetooth headset. | 08:32 |
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| kerio | heh | 14:58 |
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| merlin1991 | this university pcs suck ass, trying to compile pyhton3 I actually managed to have the build process stoped thanks to "cannot allocate memorey" | 16:09 |
| merlin1991 | also tpyo day :D | 16:09 |
| merlin1991 | omfg some idiot sysadmin decided to configure this systems to run without swap | 16:14 |
| * merlin1991 headdesks | 16:14 | |
| luf | merlin1991: It's very fast :D to OOM ... | 16:15 |
| merlin1991 | well every 20 to 60 secs the whole desktop freezes and greys out | 16:16 |
| luf | OOM killer do the nice random job :D | 16:17 |
| merlin1991 | I just enjoyed a freeze from the time I wrote my last msg till now | 16:20 |
| luf | You know. The winter is coming :D Nearly everything freeze in so cold weather. | 16:25 |
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| luf | 0086-bluetooth-Remove-reference-to-audio_source_state.patch - it seems N900 doesn't support BT Audio Source from another device :) I'm investigating more. | 16:37 |
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| luf | So I'm sure. pulseaudio on N900 doesn't recognize Audio Source via BT :) So without patching PA we can't hear sound on N900 which comes from another BT device. | 16:54 |
| freemangordon | toldya :P | 16:58 |
| luf | freemangordon: idu (I don't understand) :D | 16:59 |
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| Pali | ping romaxa_zzz | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | Pali: where are u-boot configs stored? in /etc | 19:47 |
| Pali | in include/configs | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | :D | 19:48 |
| Pali | freemangordon, ah which configs? | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | on the device | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | .item files | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | or whatever the name was | 19:48 |
| Pali | if you mean bootmenu item file, they are in /etc/bootmenu.d | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | hmm, nothing here | 19:49 |
| Pali | yes, default uboot has no config file | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | no /etc/bootmenu.d, i flashed recently | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | but those on eMMC are intact | 19:49 |
| Pali | kernels are installing needed configs | 19:49 |
| Pali | on eMMC is generated script | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | Pali: I know, i will try to boot ubuntu 12.10 with 3.5.4 | 19:49 |
| kerio | luf: how do i disable the nonworking audio stuff in bluez 4.99? | 19:49 |
| kerio | btw, everything else works fine | 19:50 |
| Pali | ok, just create correct item file and run u-boot-update-bootmenu | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | Pali: so, there is no way to restore it. damn :( | 19:50 |
| kerio | freemangordon: restore them from your multiple BM backups | 19:51 |
| freemangordon | Pali: sorry, what was the command to generate uboot image from xImage? | 19:51 |
| kerio | i'm sure you have them | 19:51 |
| freemangordon | kerio: on my second device? | 19:51 |
| Pali | freemangordon, mkimage | 19:51 |
| kerio | yep | 19:51 |
| Pali | from zImage | 19:51 |
| freemangordon | yeah, zimage | 19:52 |
| kerio | because if you care about your data, you make backups | 19:52 |
| kerio | if you don't make backups, you don't care about your data | 19:52 |
| Pali | see u-boot-update-bootmenu for mkimage params | 19:52 |
| freemangordon | ok | 19:52 |
| freemangordon | hmm, no mkimage here, wtf? | 19:54 |
| freemangordon | the fuck, it ios in extras-devel :( | 19:56 |
| luf | kerio: I'm sorry I'm too lazy to search it in archive once again what problem do you have with bluez-4.99 audio? | 19:58 |
| kerio | luf: for instance, by default it claims to be an audio sink | 19:59 |
| kerio | and it can't be | 19:59 |
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| kerio | luf: also, can we enable the "input" module by default? | 19:59 |
| kerio | idea for CSSU: include extkbd | 19:59 |
| luf | kerio: I don't want to disable. I want to support it ;) | 20:00 |
| luf | What is input module? | 20:00 |
| kerio | luf: HID devices, like keyboards and mouses | 20:00 |
| luf | there is hidd daemon in bluez-test | 20:01 |
| luf | is it this or something else? | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | luf: you should not need hidd | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | it is input plugin | 20:01 |
| luf | Ok, let me check. | 20:01 |
| kerio | luf: in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf there's the "input" plugin listed under DisabledPlugins | 20:01 |
| kerio | remove that from the configuration file and it works | 20:01 |
| kerio | ish | 20:01 |
| kerio | (you need a bit more support to choose keyboard layouts, for instance) | 20:02 |
| kerio | (but that's more userland) | 20:02 |
| luf | Ahh you want to change defaults ... | 20:02 |
| luf | No problem. | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | luf: there is | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | it is disabled in stock | 20:02 |
| luf | Let's change the main.conf as you want (Disable sink and enable input) ;) | 20:02 |
| kerio | yes, let us do that! | 20:03 |
| kerio | and by us i mean you :3 | 20:03 |
| luf | freemangordon: kerio is testing bluez-4.99 | 20:03 |
| kerio | right now the only change i made to the config files is that i undisabled the input plugin | 20:03 |
| kerio | i might try to disable the audio sink in audio.conf | 20:03 |
| kerio | so bluez doesn't LIE TO EVERYONE'S FACE | 20:03 |
| kerio | bluez: YOU LIAR | 20:04 |
| luf | kerio: come on I'm not even in beta phase so please help me with testing and feel free to change the config. We'll make the default from testing ... | 20:04 |
| kerio | freemangordon: what happens if you enable the "input" module without extkbd/extmou? | 20:04 |
| luf | kerio: I don't want to disable sink as I want to make it work. | 20:05 |
| kerio | luf: you better come up with some kind of UI to allow/deny connections too | 20:05 |
| luf | kerio: let's test. It's just plugin like another daemon. It does nearly nothing while only listening. | 20:05 |
| luf | kerio: I'm sorry I'm not UI dev. | 20:06 |
| kerio | i mean, if you connect a keyboard to it | 20:06 |
| luf | kerio: feel free to try ;) I have no clue. | 20:06 |
| luf | kerio: and for sure you're good tester of bluez. | 20:06 |
| kerio | i'd rather ask the extkbd dude | 20:07 |
| kerio | freemangordon: question! | 20:07 |
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| luf | freemangordon: why there is problem in enabling bt input or any other plugins - properly tested? It's eating some memory but when not used it can't harm. | 20:26 |
| kerio | luf: the issue is that the keyboards you connect aren't properly configured, without a tiny extra piece of software | 20:33 |
| luf | So the input plugin should be disabled by default and enable in extkbd post inst trigger (or how is called). | 20:34 |
| kerio | that's what happens now :) | 20:36 |
| kerio | i wonder if you can just keep it enabled without too many issues | 20:36 |
| luf | kerio: user's confusion when connect kbd without extkbd? | 20:38 |
| kerio | yeah :c | 20:38 |
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| luf | freemangordon: ping | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | luf: pong | 21:00 |
| luf | Have you compiled pulseaudio? | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | yes | 21:01 |
| luf | And no problems? Nothing special needed? | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | IIRC | 21:02 |
| luf | I don't get the meanings of IIRC :) | 21:03 |
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| freemangordon | ~iirs | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | ~iirc | 21:04 |
| infobot | methinks iirc is "if I recall correctly" | 21:04 |
| luf | ok, thanks. | 21:04 |
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| luf | Just for fun: The fix from commit 8169a6a6c9 exppects A2DP source to be implemented but we do not need it for fremantle. | 21:29 |
| luf | So why people want A2DP sink in fremantle when they don't need it? :) | 21:29 |
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| kerio | wait, what? | 21:43 |
| luf | ... one commit log in pulseaudio in fremantle | 21:44 |
| merlin1991 | luf: because they can ;) | 21:49 |
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| kerio | luf: do we really want to make audio sink work, btw? | 22:01 |
| kerio | freemangordon: is there a way to get a "<keyboardname> connected" and a "<keyboardname> disconnected" message? | 22:01 |
| luf | kerio: Why not? You have more choices how to handle audio stream. E.g you want N900 as HF for your computer ;) | 22:02 |
| kerio | luf: because it's hardly useful, really | 22:03 |
| luf | I know user which say this about N900 itself ;) BTW You're not and will not be forced to use it. | 22:05 |
| kerio | eeh, that's fair | 22:07 |
| Pali | kerio, a lot of (or maybe all) bluetooth headset cannot be used with two hosts at same time (with channel mixing) | 22:08 |
| kerio | i doubt there's enough bandwidth, though :s | 22:08 |
| Pali | so there is no way how to connect notebook and n900 to one bluetooth headset | 22:08 |
| kerio | if you want to do laptop-n900-bt headset | 22:08 |
| kerio | (is there?) | 22:08 |
| Pali | problem is that I want to use headset for voice/gsm calls (with n900) | 22:09 |
| tadzikarp | uh-oh, uboot wants to remove some cssu stuff now | 22:09 |
| Pali | kerio, so the only way is to use hsp profile | 22:09 |
| tadzikarp | or maybe that's thumb2 | 22:09 |
| tadzikarp | freemangordon: ping | 22:09 |
| kerio | tadzikarp: make sure you know what you're doing | 22:10 |
| Pali | kerio, so using laptop as headset server is not good | 22:10 |
| tadzikarp | kerio: I know, I did it before, just never on thumb2 | 22:10 |
| kerio | tadzikarp: you MUST use a thumb2-enabled kernel | 22:10 |
| kerio | ~2116 | 22:10 |
| tadzikarp | aye | 22:10 |
| Pali | n900 has good support for autoswitch between hsp and a2dp | 22:10 |
| kerio | no, wait | 22:10 |
| tadzikarp | I guess that's a no-go for uboot now | 22:10 |
| Pali | so is better for headset bluetooth server | 22:10 |
| kerio | ~2119 | 22:10 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 22:10 |
| kerio | tadzikarp: nah, it's still ok | 22:11 |
| kerio | but packages will depend on the "kernel-feature-something-errata" package | 22:11 |
| kerio | and uboot doesn't provide that | 22:11 |
| kerio | you can install a dummy package that provides it, so apt will be happy | 22:11 |
| kerio | but you still have to make absolutely sure to use a thumb2-enabled kernel | 22:11 |
| tadzikarp | uboot is pretty sensitive about using the stock kernel | 22:12 |
| tadzikarp | I'd rather not break my maemo | 22:12 |
| kerio | yeah but if you use the stock kernel SHIT WILL BLOW UP | 22:12 |
| tadzikarp | exactly | 22:13 |
| kerio | so tell uboot to boot with KP51 or KPCSSU | 22:13 |
| tadzikarp | thing is uboot conflicts with kernel-power. I should have the -bootimg installed though | 22:13 |
| tadzikarp | at which point I no longer satisfy the "know what you're doing" dependency | 22:14 |
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| kerio | ask Pali about how you're supposed to fix the packages | 22:14 |
| tadzik | last time I was asking here about why precisely uboot wants stock kernel everyone yelled at me :) | 22:14 |
| kerio | it doesn't | 22:15 |
| tadzik | but it has the stock kernel sort of embedded in it, am I wrong? | 22:15 |
| Pali | tazdik, are you using my uboot build or same from maemo-extras repo? | 22:15 |
| tadzik | Pali: no, only stuff from repos | 22:15 |
| tadzik | no hard feelings, it's just convenient :) | 22:16 |
| kerio | tadzik: having the stock kernel in a payload doesn't force you to boot from it | 22:16 |
| Pali | tadzik, so then I cannot help you... | 22:16 |
| kerio | in fact, uboot's whole point is to boot with weird kernels | 22:16 |
| tadzik | Pali: yours is the one that supports bootmenu and stuff? | 22:16 |
| Pali | yes | 22:16 |
| Pali | from talk.maemo.org | 22:16 |
| tadzik | right | 22:16 |
| tadzik | thing is, if I screw up this bootmenu thing I'll boot from stock kernel and stuff will fuck up because of thumb2 | 22:17 |
| tadzik | which'll probably leave me with reflash | 22:17 |
| tadzik | is that right? | 22:17 |
| kerio | nah, at worst you're left with the reflash of the kernel | 22:22 |
| kerio | as in, you'll reflash kernel-cssu | 22:22 |
| kerio | or kernel-power :) | 22:22 |
| tadzik | but will I have a bootable system? | 22:22 |
| tadzik | (now backupmenu hangs the device. Gah) | 22:22 |
| tadzik | Pali: I just install your stuff with dpkg -i, no magic? | 22:24 |
| Pali | tadzik, yes only dpkg -i | 22:25 |
| Pali | but before uninstall other uboot versions | 22:25 |
| Pali | if you want to boot other kernels, you need to install bootimg packages | 22:25 |
| tadzik | I don't have uboot right now | 22:25 |
| tadzik | and kernel-power-bootimg seems to be installed | 22:26 |
| tadzik | Pali: okay, stuff Just Works :) Thank you! | 22:34 |
| Pali | ok :-) | 22:34 |
| tadzik | eh. Is it normal that my phone shows one "black" bootmenu, and then another "white" bootmenu? :F | 22:51 |
| kerio | you racist | 22:52 |
| tadzik | well, I must say "only the black one actually does something useful" ;) | 22:52 |
| luf | you racist :D | 22:53 |
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