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| chem|st | fw190: you do not need to choose by windowmanager... I have debian testing with gnome or debian testing with ION... I would never go kde for any reason... I avoid using kdelibs as possible | 11:26 |
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| fw190 | thanks for the tip | 11:26 |
| chem|st | any deb based distro usable will do the job as they all come with apt | 11:26 |
| chem|st | fw190: ehrm dpkg | 11:27 |
| fw190 | I was happy with buntukh (as Doc names it) | 11:27 |
| chem|st | fw190: the easy way is buntu... | 11:27 |
| fw190 | but now in 12.04 when I minimize libreoffice | 11:27 |
| fw190 | it sometimes disaperas | 11:28 |
| fw190 | but is still opened | 11:28 |
| chem|st | hmm | 11:28 |
| fw190 | writer is my main work tool | 11:28 |
| chem|st | buntkuh is kde? | 11:28 |
| fw190 | no ;) Ubuntu 12.04 LTE | 11:28 |
| fw190 | plain | 11:28 |
| chem|st | ah server? | 11:29 |
| fw190 | no no | 11:29 |
| chem|st | so ubuntu just it | 11:29 |
| chem|st | gnome then | 11:29 |
| fw190 | yes | 11:29 |
| fw190 | ubuntu UNity 12.04 LTS upgraded from 11.10 | 11:29 |
| chem|st | you may want to use gnome-fallback mode | 11:29 |
| chem|st | its gnome 3 right? | 11:30 |
| chem|st | as I told a friend who tried to build a high-performance machine "you do not tweak every last bit of processing power out of your system to have it the run compiz on top" | 11:31 |
| fw190 | to be ohnest I do not know | 11:32 |
| fw190 | I only know that I can install Nome 3 | 11:32 |
| chem|st | I have gnome3 on my desktop so my girlfriend is able to use it when I am not at home... but I swapped to fallback mode | 11:32 |
| chem|st | does you desktop look simillar to this http://www.google.com/imgres?q=ubuntu&hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&biw=1022&bih=478&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=zpGtXSK3WNgYoM:&imgrefurl=http://www.businesscomputingworld.co.uk/review-ubuntu-11-04/&docid=QKxwRtpGOMnTZM&imgurl=http://www.businesscomputingworld.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Ubuntu_1.jpg&w=500&h=375&ei=RcleUPOhIM3CtAaI7IBI&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=723&vpy=171&dur=1 | 11:34 |
| chem|st | oh darn goolge links... | 11:34 |
| chem|st | http://www.businesscomputingworld.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Ubuntu_1.jpg | 11:34 |
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| fw190 | yes | 11:35 |
| fw190 | it looks like this | 11:36 |
| chem|st | http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/classicgnome | 11:36 |
| chem|st | this is one way how to get classic mode again | 11:36 |
| chem|st | this will look somealike gnome2 | 11:36 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: ping | 11:37 |
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| chem|st | merlin1991: you have any idea where that theming issue reported on tmo came from and if it has anything todo with cssu? | 11:38 |
| chem|st | I never had any issues with themes | 11:38 |
| chem|st | well make it rumours | 11:39 |
| fw190 | chem|st: but I ilke Unity - got used to it... meh | 11:40 |
| freemangordon | fw190: you like Unity? hmm, that makes you first after its developers | 11:41 |
| chem|st | a guy asking in stable thread and claims that others reported issues with | 11:41 |
| chem|st | fw190: I had the "real" gnome3 desktop, that is cool but unity is just meh | 11:42 |
| chem|st | fw190: have you filled a bug against unity yet? | 11:42 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: he is asking if he will have issues with his theme if he installs CCSU iirc | 11:43 |
| chem|st | freemangordon: yes | 11:43 |
| fw190 | chem|st: it is hard to fill a proper bug when you are not native English speaker | 11:43 |
| chem|st | freemangordon: I had themes installed and one of them active back when I installed cssu | 11:44 |
| chem|st | no issues ever so I call it "claims" | 11:44 |
| chem|st | freemangordon: did you have issues? or do you know about any? | 11:45 |
| chem|st | then pls reply to him | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: I am using Nokia theme, so I am not aware of any issues | 11:46 |
| fw190 | freemangordon: I use daily 3 programs - writer, chromium and firefox and sice yesterday xcaht - unity is usefull for this | 11:46 |
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| freemangordon | int_ua: hi. out if curiosity - what is the state if ubuntu install script? | 11:53 |
| freemangordon | *of | 11:53 |
| int_ua | well, I've just updated it few days ago but little changed since july I think | 11:55 |
| int_ua | freemangordon: the updates are in the unstable branch | 11:56 |
| freemangordon | ok | 11:56 |
| int_ua | freemangordon: I was out of Maemo community for two month, was there something interesting that happened besides the new CSSU? | 11:57 |
| fw190 | freemangordon: how are things going with new thumb? zeq is kinda MIA... | 11:58 |
| freemangordon | fw190: I will send him a mail today, I hope he will pull himself together :D | 11:59 |
| fw190 | I will kepp my fingers crosed for this | 11:59 |
| freemangordon | fw190: which new thumb, the one to be relaeased or latest? | 12:00 |
| fw190 | but still N900 fells like a devile | 12:00 |
| fw190 | freemangordon: the one you announced on yesterday ;) | 12:00 |
| freemangordon | fw190: I announced a new update yesterday? hmm, can't remember. | 12:01 |
| fw190 | or maybe I remeber something wrong | 12:01 |
| freemangordon | int_ua: well, besides usual things, don't now, things are pretty much the same | 12:01 |
| freemangordon | *know | 12:01 |
| fw190 | freemnagordon: I recall that you wrote on thursday that it will come on staurday ;) | 12:01 |
| freemangordon | aah, yes | 12:02 |
| fw190 | but I could be wrong | 12:02 |
| freemangordon | no, you're not | 12:02 |
| freemangordon | will try to make it today | 12:02 |
| fw190 | no hurry | 12:02 |
| fw190 | jus asking | 12:02 |
| fw190 | just | 12:02 |
| freemangordon | I know, but i just booted SB virtual machine :D | 12:02 |
| fw190 | damn have to learn to type and look on the screen | 12:03 |
| freemangordon | no use, see my typos ;) | 12:03 |
| fw190 | I wonder how much free space will this one bring? | 12:03 |
| freemangordon | some 100-200k | 12:04 |
| fw190 | it's always something ;) | 12:04 |
| int_ua | 100-200k from which files exactly? The whole rootfs or some packages? | 12:06 |
| fw190 | now this is interesting: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/22/wifi-alliance-certificate-teases-tizen-flavored-galaxy-s3/ | 12:07 |
| freemangordon | int_ua: packages that install on rootfs | 12:07 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: ping | 12:19 |
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| freemangordon | arcean: ping | 13:12 |
| arcean | freemangordon: pong | 13:24 |
| freemangordon | arcean: I am trying to build openssl, but it takes ages doing tests, is that normal? | 13:24 |
| arcean | ah yes, it's a pain to build this :) | 13:25 |
| freemangordon | i have the feeling the source was recompiled at least 10 times so far | 13:25 |
| freemangordon | normal? | 13:26 |
| arcean | I think so | 13:26 |
| freemangordon | ok | 13:26 |
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| freemangordon | will do some performance testing ARM/gcc4.2.1 vs thumb/gcc4.7.2 | 13:26 |
| freemangordon | I am eager to see the results :D | 13:27 |
| freemangordon | finally, the packaging step | 13:28 |
| arcean | yeah, the performance tests could be interesting | 13:30 |
| freemangordon | yes it is | 13:33 |
| freemangordon | stock:aes-128-cbc 7729.41k 8513.09k 8840.59k 8842.92k 8917.73k | 13:34 |
| freemangordon | thumb:aes-128-cbc 12763.75k 14334.93k 14803.82k 14911.83k 14975.74k | 13:34 |
| freemangordon | the test is "openssl speed -evp aes-128-cbc" | 13:34 |
| ShadowJK | nice | 13:34 |
| freemangordon | nod bad :D:D:D | 13:34 |
| ShadowJK | recompile openssh so i get faster rsync | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would be interesting to compile *without* thumb on new compiler | 13:35 |
| freemangordon | yes | 13:35 |
| freemangordon | i'll do it after I make the new update | 13:35 |
| freemangordon | I think is it a good idea to play a little with compiler flags | 13:36 |
| freemangordon | -flto and such | 13:36 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: pong | 14:04 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: what about to appoint a bug-triage meeting in the incomming week? | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a nice idea | 14:08 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: yep sounds good | 14:11 |
| merlin1991 | though we only have about 5 to 6 bugs reported atm | 14:12 |
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| freemangordon | even better, it will take only an hour then :D | 14:18 |
| freemangordon | the fuck, ftree-vectorize breaks openssl :(. though it might be qemu that executes neon instructions bad :) | 14:19 |
| freemangordon | seems so http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2010-01/msg01504.html | 14:22 |
| kerio | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1270941&postcount=307 w. t. f. | 14:30 |
| kerio | "cssu should add functionality, not functionality!" | 14:30 |
| merlin1991 | the whole post is kinda dafuq | 14:31 |
| merlin1991 | somebody missed the point about repositories and "relying on something" and ofc *autobuilder does not contain cssu packages* | 14:32 |
| kerio | merlin1991: to be fair, it should | 14:36 |
| merlin1991 | yeah but as long as it doesn't the argument is m00t | 14:37 |
| merlin1991 | and there really is nothing we can do about it to change | 14:37 |
| merlin1991 | well freemangordon when do you have time? same question goes for arcean and Pali | 14:44 |
| merlin1991 | ~fmtxd | 14:46 |
| merlin1991 | dang no factoid? | 14:46 |
| kerio | merlin1991: can we ship jacekowski's modified fmtxd? | 14:49 |
| merlin1991 | does it have nokia only (c) ? | 14:49 |
| kerio | we don't have any obligations regarding tx power, do we? | 14:49 |
| kerio | merlin1991: hm, idk | 14:49 |
| merlin1991 | then we *could* thanks to quims exception | 14:49 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: I think I will be ok after 20 EEST, no matter the day | 14:49 |
| merlin1991 | what's the UTC offset of EEST? | 14:50 |
| arcean | +3 | 14:50 |
| freemangordon | yep | 14:50 |
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| arcean | for me, 20 EEST is also ok | 14:51 |
| merlin1991 | arcean: also almost any day? | 14:56 |
| freemangordon | any idea how to run openssl test on the device? | 14:56 |
| freemangordon | *tests | 14:56 |
| merlin1991 | well debian/rules does it by "make test" | 14:58 |
| kerio | that's not the test fmg wanted, i think | 15:00 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: yes, but those fail in SB with -ftree-vectorize | 15:01 |
| freemangordon | as qemu NEON support is broken | 15:01 |
| merlin1991 | well my suggestion is on the lines of move full tree on the device and run `make test` there | 15:01 |
| merlin1991 | though the tests include building the testmodules :/ | 15:02 |
| freemangordon | unfortunately is i called 3 times with make clean in between | 15:02 |
| freemangordon | *it is | 15:02 |
| freemangordon | though i could assume that one test passed is ok | 15:02 |
| freemangordon | one "make test" that is | 15:02 |
| merlin1991 | hm you could haxxor the MakeFile in the test/ folder to run a different "exe" code that does *scp to my device* *run over ssh* *check return code* | 15:03 |
| kerio | freemangordon: install toolchain on device | 15:04 |
| freemangordon | kerio: hehe | 15:04 |
| kerio | no, srsly | 15:04 |
| kerio | use m32g | 15:04 |
| merlin1991 | but that includes deploying all the test data to the device aswell | 15:04 |
| freemangordon | we don;t have ARM binary | 15:04 |
| kerio | D: | 15:04 |
| kerio | ok, make ARM toolchain | 15:04 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: yeah, that could work | 15:05 |
| freemangordon | do we have make in the device? | 15:05 |
| freemangordon | binutils? | 15:05 |
| kerio | freemangordon: yeah but probably not the right versions | 15:05 |
| arcean | merlin1991: if it's 20 EEST (or later), sure :) | 15:05 |
| freemangordon | does not matter | 15:05 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: actually we have both those :D | 15:06 |
| kerio | there's binutils in sdk or sdk/tools | 15:06 |
| freemangordon | yes | 15:06 |
| freemangordon | afaik | 15:06 |
| merlin1991 | but I'd go for haxxor in scp call that deploys all test data and then runs each binary on device | 15:06 |
| freemangordon | well, I want to see what is the performance gain first | 15:06 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: yes | 15:06 |
| freemangordon | i put - in front of make test, so at least I will have .debs | 15:07 |
| merlin1991 | isn't # a comment in a makefile? | 15:08 |
| freemangordon | - means "ignore the return value" | 15:08 |
| merlin1991 | ah :P | 15:08 |
| merlin1991 | btw freemangordon how do you actually have your scratchbox set up? | 15:08 |
| freemangordon | using this http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 | 15:09 |
| merlin1991 | nono the host system | 15:09 |
| merlin1991 | I'm thinking of using a qemu image on my external hdd, because I'm getting fed up with not having everything on both pc and laptop | 15:09 |
| freemangordon | it is nokia vmware image | 15:09 |
| freemangordon | hmm, using -ftree-vectorize degrades performance :D | 15:13 |
| merlin1991 | lol | 15:13 |
| freemangordon | yeah :( | 15:14 |
| kerio | freemangordon: is sb-thumb-errata-provider just a dummy package? | 15:21 |
| freemangordon | yes | 15:22 |
| kerio | so why the "sb"? | 15:23 |
| freemangordon | scratchbox? | 15:23 |
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| kent_autistic | arcean: ping | 15:30 |
| kent_autistic | freemangordon: there's an update for fb common plugin something. what's it for? | 15:31 |
| freemangordon | kent_autistic: update? where is is? on gitorious? | 15:39 |
| int_ua | freemangordon: Does -ftree-vectorize degrades performance in QEMU? Any chance it could be different on the device? | 15:39 |
| freemangordon | int_ua: I tested it on the device | 15:39 |
| int_ua | ok | 15:40 |
| freemangordon | without:aes-128-cbc 12660.73k 14264.36k 14827.64k 14985.11k 14970.26k | 15:40 |
| freemangordon | with:aes-128-cbc 11791.74k 14040.32k 14517.43k 14658.03k 14649.71k | 15:40 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: cannot upload openssl in the repo, it complains something about udeb, check inotcomming.log | 15:48 |
| kent_autistic | freemangordon: in HAM. catalog is cssu devel although i do not have that repo | 15:55 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: fixed (and imported) | 15:58 |
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| int_ua | and the hildon-desktop crashed on closing Pidgin. | 16:03 |
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| int_ua | Does mce have source code now? Was it modified in CSSU? | 16:07 |
| int_ua | Will bugs.maemo.org be shut down in three months? What's the new place? Gitorious? | 16:12 |
| int_ua | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1271035&postcount=9 | 16:13 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: ooooh, new openssl? | 16:39 |
| kerio | well, "new" | 16:39 |
| kerio | optimized openssl? :D | 16:39 |
| kerio | hahahaha, 0.9.8n-1+maemo4+0m5+0cssu0+thumb0 | 16:40 |
| kerio | there's a point where this should've stopped and we clearly passed it | 16:40 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: have you installed cssu-θ on your main n900 yet? | 16:42 |
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| tg | hi | 16:50 |
| tg | i'm trying to install cssu now, but seems like i'll have to resolve some qt4 conflicts first | 16:50 |
| kerio | tg: hm, there shouldn't be any | 16:51 |
| kerio | have you followed the instructions on the wiki pag? | 16:51 |
| kerio | *page | 16:51 |
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| tg | yes i did | 16:54 |
| tg | btw, what's the package name of the community update? | 16:56 |
| tg | so i can take a look with cmdline tools | 16:57 |
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| kerio | tg: mp-fremantle-community-pr | 16:58 |
| kerio | apt-get upgrade will upgrade most of the packages though | 16:58 |
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| kerio | so you don't really need to explicitly use the metapackage, if you're using apt | 16:59 |
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| kerio | tg: what's the output of "apt-get upgrade"? | 17:06 |
| tg | https://tg.tgbit.net/log/maemo/cssu-install | 17:08 |
| tg | kerio: ^^ | 17:08 |
| tg | strangely only HAM shows conflicts | 17:09 |
| kerio | have you run the cssu enabler? | 17:09 |
| tg | yes | 17:09 |
| kerio | also, which flavour is this? | 17:09 |
| kerio | cssu-testing? | 17:09 |
| tg | testing | 17:09 |
| kerio | are you sure you ran the enabler before trying to upgrade? | 17:10 |
| tg | think so, i can try running it again | 17:11 |
| tg | it's not in the menu anymore | 17:11 |
| tg | so i definitely ran it | 17:12 |
| kerio | weird, there must've been something wrong with it | 17:12 |
| kerio | can you run "sudo community-ssu-enabler" from a terminal and pastebin the output? | 17:12 |
| tg | Community SSU already enabled | 17:13 |
| kerio | hrmpf | 17:13 |
| kerio | there's definetely something wrong though | 17:13 |
| kerio | tg: install mp-fremantle-generic-pr and run community-ssu-enabler again | 17:13 |
| tg | okay | 17:14 |
| tg | should i apt-get upgrade first? | 17:14 |
| tg | or that's not needed | 17:14 |
| kerio | no, i said mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 17:15 |
| kerio | it's the nokia one | 17:15 |
| kerio | install it, it shouldn't ask for a confirmation | 17:15 |
| tg | ah, generic, ok | 17:16 |
| tg | so this would remove a bunch of apps | 17:18 |
| kerio | really? :o | 17:18 |
| kerio | don't do that | 17:18 |
| tg | https://tg.tgbit.net/log/maemo/cssu-install | 17:18 |
| tg | at the end | 17:18 |
| kerio | ah balls, right | 17:18 |
| kerio | yeah, yeah | 17:18 |
| kerio | no, wait | 17:19 |
| kerio | what? D: | 17:19 |
| tg | so if only HAM complains, i could proceed with apt-getting i guess? | 17:20 |
| kerio | yeah but then you lose the pinning of those packages, so apt-get autoremove won't work correctly for you | 17:20 |
| kerio | and besides, apt isn't supported | 17:20 |
| tg | oic | 17:20 |
| kerio | merlin1991: *poke* | 17:20 |
| kerio | tg: i'm sure you followed the instructions correctly and have a backupmenu backup ready to be restored, right? | 17:20 |
| tg | i have a backup yes | 17:21 |
| tg | but a broken usb port :( | 17:21 |
| tg | so it's hard to restore it if it won't boot anymore | 17:22 |
| kerio | tg: so? backupmenu can restore from the device with no need for a usb port | 17:22 |
| kerio | in theory ;) | 17:22 |
| tg | as long as it boots, yeah | 17:22 |
| kerio | why shouldn't it boot? | 17:22 |
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| kerio | at least, why shouldn't it boot to backupmenu? | 17:22 |
| kerio | hell, why shouldn't it boot to bootmenu? | 17:22 |
| tg | ah you mean i should do that now | 17:22 |
| kerio | you could do that | 17:23 |
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| kerio | so you can refollow the instructions but instead of running the enabler from the icon, run it from a terminal and pastebin the output | 17:23 |
| tg | ok | 17:23 |
| tg | can't i just remove the enabler package? | 17:23 |
| kerio | the enabler did a bunch of changes already | 17:24 |
| kerio | also, make sure your battery is well charged | 17:24 |
| kerio | for both the restore and the install | 17:24 |
| tg | yup. it is | 17:25 |
| tg | is there no log file produced by the enabler? | 17:29 |
| kerio | hmm, actually there could be | 17:29 |
| kerio | look in /opt/ssu/ | 17:29 |
| kerio | or /opt/cssu/ | 17:29 |
| tg | neither of those exist | 17:30 |
| kerio | hrmpf | 17:31 |
| kerio | wait for merlin1991 or Pali | 17:31 |
| tg | okay | 17:31 |
| kerio | merlin1991 is the cssu-testing maintainer, Pali's the dude that wrote the enalber | 17:31 |
| kerio | *enabler | 17:31 |
| Pali | here | 17:32 |
| Pali | what is problem? | 17:32 |
| kerio | Pali: does community-ssu-enabler write a log file somewhere? | 17:32 |
| kerio | Pali: he's got some weird stuff going on | 17:32 |
| Pali | I think no | 17:32 |
| kerio | conflicts with qtm and lack of pinning of nokia packages | 17:32 |
| kerio | pinning in the sense of marking as manually installed | 17:33 |
| Pali | hm, this part of installer was not changed | 17:34 |
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| Pali | installation script (which doing apt-get) was not changed | 17:35 |
| Pali | I do not know what happened | 17:35 |
| kerio | me neither | 17:35 |
| kerio | tg: restore the backup? | 17:35 |
| tg | waait, it seems to work now | 17:40 |
| tg | i disabled the cssu-testing repo then reenabled it | 17:41 |
| tg | now ham does not show any conflicts anymore | 17:41 |
| kerio | heh | 17:41 |
| kerio | ham is silly | 17:41 |
| tg | how long does the upgrade usually take? | 17:42 |
| kerio | "a while" | 17:42 |
| tg | :{ | 17:42 |
| tg | :) | 17:42 |
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| freemangordon | some values for openssl | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/Bpdt8nr7 | 18:37 |
| tg | yay, it finished, took 45-50min | 18:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | ARF, configuring dd-wrt | 18:46 |
| kerio | tg: damn .s | 18:47 |
| kerio | :s | 18:47 |
| kerio | freemangordon: neat, free speedups :D | 18:48 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: and about 1MB more free space | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | will have the exactl value later, for some reason debug symbols were in the main .deb, not in -deb ?!? | 18:49 |
| freemangordon | -dbg | 18:49 |
| kerio | D: | 18:49 |
| kerio | so i have debug symbols on my n900 now D: | 18:50 |
| kerio | D: D: D: <- this is my alarmed face | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yay, another reboot | 18:50 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: which hw? | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what are you doing? trying to break your router? | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | :P | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | already fscked it | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Linksys WRT54G/GL/GS | 18:51 |
| kerio | isn't it... ancient? | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still waaay better than this POS D-LINK DIR-615 | 18:53 |
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| * kerio has a wrt610n | 18:53 | |
| kerio | it's sleek | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, now dhcpcd has 'fixed' IP for 6 Nokia devices via WLAN, plus 3 wired boxes, a shifted network base addr of 192.168.4(!).x, proper forced reconnect at 5:00, and YAY I even made it to put WLAN to work again | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with *unchanged* credentials on all those ~15 wireless devices around | 18:56 |
| kerio | :D | 18:56 |
| kerio | why forced reconnect? | 18:56 |
| kerio | isn't it better to reconnect immediately? | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because I have forced disconnect anyway, courtesy t-online | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once every 24h | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't like it to shift later 5min every day | 18:57 |
| kerio | haha | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sooooooo time for brunch | 18:59 |
| kerio | i should get DHCP working properly | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a real PITA until it finally works as supposed | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't want *anything* special, it usually works OOTB | 19:01 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i want my wifi and my ethernet on the laptop to get the same address | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just wonder now why all that $fruit crap of my neighbour/friend isn't logged in yet | 19:02 |
| kerio | i doubt it's doable, with dhcp | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not even a faintly working setup at all | 19:03 |
| kerio | worksforme | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter if DHCP or fixed addr | 19:03 |
| kerio | (with fixed addresses) | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see how you could run two NIC on same subnet with same IP | 19:04 |
| kerio | i just let the two NICs fight it out | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FFS | 19:04 |
| kerio | i have no fucking idea of what's going on, but it works | 19:04 |
| kerio | plug ethernet cord in, connections move to ethernet | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what you think | 19:05 |
| kerio | unplug it, connections move to wifi | 19:05 |
| kerio | they don't even drop | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you do that with a bridge | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and then you probably can use DHCP easily | 19:06 |
| kerio | but it works fine now! :( | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really, since you already noticed it won't with DHCP for example | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's mere random which device in your local network has which MAC/NIC in its ARP table for your janus PC at any time | 19:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: not really | 19:10 |
| kerio | ethernet is faster | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if anything sends a ARP-WHO-HAS <your-IP>, it will get two conflicting answers | 19:11 |
| kerio | yeah, but the reply from the ethernet one comes quicker :) | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you're out of luck, since the last answer sticks | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe not | 19:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why the hell don't i drop connections then? | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or your device asking gets a kernel panic ;-P | 19:12 |
| kerio | maybe os x is *that* magical | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's even depending on your router(s) if (they) is/are using IP or ARP routing | 19:13 |
| kerio | but it works on linux too | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I'm gently leaving firm ground, as some of you might have noticed) | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, set this shit up as a proper bridge, then it's up to your router's capabilities to handle metrics or whatnot, to decide the proper routing | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you got a bridge setup anyway. I have, by 'accident' - seems it came with XEN | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ifconfig br0 | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brctl show | 19:17 |
| kerio | no i'm not | 19:17 |
| kerio | en0, en1 | 19:18 |
| kerio | (ethernet, wifi) | 19:18 |
| kerio | or eth0, wlan0 on linux | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | man brctl | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there are quite a few short and easy howto in the interwebs too | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even a simple plain "brctl" will encourage you to investigate further, the latest when you read nice stuff like >>setpathcost <bridge> <port> <cost> set path cost<< and >> setportprio <bridge> <port> <prio> set port priority<< | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and to your DHCPd on your PC it will look like one NIC, so only one DHCP lease will get requested | 19:23 |
| kerio | i have to do that on the router side too, don't i | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, not really | 19:23 |
| kerio | then how the fuck will it know where to send the packets? | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ARP | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ARP-WHO-HAS <your-IP> | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only the higher prio active NIC will send an answer, with correct MAC | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TCP/IP is *magic* ;-D | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but not THAT magic that you could get away with botch like yours without recoil | 19:25 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: btw, people on the internets claim that you can't do that with ethernet and wifi | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | crank up whireshark and weep | 19:26 |
| kerio | because they can't connect to the same other endpoint or whatevs | 19:27 |
| kerio | anyway, snow leopard can't bond the wifi NIC :( | 19:30 |
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| rlinfati | Hi, and updated tzdata can be into the cssu ? | 19:42 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: can you please check if you have /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/openssl on your device? I have the feeling it is not only -thumb packaging that should be fixed. | 19:47 |
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| int_ua | I have one | 21:10 |
| int_ua | openssl debug | 21:10 |
| int_ua | libssl0.9.8 | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | great :( | 21:11 |
| int_ua | + 2 .so in ...debug/usr/lib | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: ^^^ | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | int_ua: thanks | 21:13 |
| int_ua | rlinfati: can you please rephrase, I didn't understand | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | unfortunately he went out just before I was about to ask the same :D | 21:13 |
| int_ua | oh) | 21:13 |
| int_ua | I think it was "Can we update tzdata?" | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | yeah, something like that | 21:14 |
| int_ua | so, what's the status of bugs.maemo.org? | 21:16 |
| int_ua | and the future | 21:17 |
| freemangordon | expired certificate? | 21:17 |
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| int_ua | + unconfirmed (for me) info that it will be down in 3 month | 21:19 |
| int_ua | let me check the thread | 21:19 |
| int_ua | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1271035&postcount=9 | 21:22 |
| freemangordon | it is plausible | 21:24 |
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| fw190 | freemangordon: Nokia just announced me that 6,14mb will be free after the update | 22:25 |
| fw190 | nice | 22:25 |
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| fw190 | podgrzewacze intersport | 22:27 |
| fw190 | sorry for that | 22:27 |
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| freemangordon | fw190: unfortunately it is not the real savings, it seems openssl in -testing is shipped with debug symbols :( | 22:30 |
| freemangordon | the real value is about 1M or less | 22:30 |
| fw190 | that is always something | 22:30 |
| fw190 | another step forward ;) | 22:30 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 22:30 |
| fw190 | better to make tiny steps but all the time then on big and silence | 22:31 |
| fw190 | thumb is like an avalanche - goes biger and bigger | 22:32 |
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| freemangordon | yeah, the reason i put only 2 -thumb packages in the last update is that rolling more than that makes harded to find what has happened if something gets broken | 22:33 |
| fw190 | true | 22:34 |
| fw190 | anyway | 22:34 |
| fw190 | thanks for the good work | 22:34 |
| fw190 | time to eat something ;) | 22:34 |
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| ShadowJK | i must not be getting updates on thumb anymore | 23:02 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: ? | 23:02 |
| ShadowJK | as in, on my testing device, I switched to thumb before last cssu-testing update | 23:03 |
| freemangordon | aah, you should manually install it, sorry for that, but versioning scheme was wrong | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | or (as it is your testing device) just flash and reinstall | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1267008&postcount=666 | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | though you should edit the file and change metapackage version to be thumb1 instead of thumb0 | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | I mostly use my test device for battery related stuff :) | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | well, you could yse either ways, but flashing seems slower to me. You know, rootsh, openssh, mc, etc,etc :) | 23:09 |
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