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| merlin1991 | hm seems like I can only start this -testing update when I'm back, need to talk to freemangordon and luf before I go further | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: when will that be? | 00:32 |
| merlin1991 | 1st of september | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, bearable | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be more interested in pushing new S from current T, _before_ we prepare new T | 00:34 |
| merlin1991 | also luf is on vacation atm aswell afaik | 00:34 |
| merlin1991 | that's on the timetable for 2nd to 7th | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if that doesn't complicate your duty to base on last recent T for preparing S from it (probably a no-issue) | 00:35 |
| merlin1991 | we'll prepare new S from last T not the one I'm currently working on | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we still have no bleeding edge stuff in T, morphin it into -devel's S | 00:36 |
| merlin1991 | there's enough there already :D | 00:36 |
| merlin1991 | basically everything ke-recv related + a few cev things, and some fixes on modest iirc | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so shouldn't be too hard to pick the right commit | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cev? | 00:37 |
| merlin1991 | err cve | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh cve. which ones? | 00:38 |
| merlin1991 | I think libxml and pango and curl | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | already forgot once more what's friggin pango | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | curl seems to have stabilized | 00:39 |
| merlin1991 | and also openssl | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libxml? nfc | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah openssl, nice one | 00:39 |
| merlin1991 | pango is font rendering just like freetype | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah thanks | 00:40 |
| merlin1991 | ~seen luf | 00:41 |
| merlin1991 | dang no infobot | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm waiting for my ssh account to bot server to get activated | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait another 30 min and I hope bot ressurects | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !seen luf | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bah! | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | povbot_: seen luf | 00:42 |
| povbot_ | DocScrutinizer05: luf was last seen in #maemo-ssu 2 days, 21 hours, 51 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <luf> Just FYI I'm on vacation for next 10 days without access to internet. So I'm not totaly dead (just digitaly dead) :D | 00:42 |
| * merlin1991 just found it in his logs aswell | 00:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | povbot_: useless | 00:43 |
| povbot_ | DocScrutinizer05: Error: "useless" is not a valid command. | 00:43 |
| merlin1991 | so he'll be back when I'm back, so I'll get the -testing release out then asap | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't chem|st on holiday as well? | 00:43 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, so I have to keep the graveyard watch here | 00:44 |
| merlin1991 | or is he only going on vacation on the 7th, I don't remember the details | 00:44 |
| merlin1991 | btw coming week I'll be more dead than my holidays on greece | 00:44 |
| merlin1991 | I expect about 0 free time with internet access | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dead as in "no connectivity"? | 00:45 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'll try hard to survive that hard time ;-) | 00:45 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless you could create a git account for me, recently somebody asked for a git repo and you weren't around | 00:46 |
| merlin1991 | well you have to create a gitorious account yourself, I can only add you to the cssu group | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, will ponder that | 00:47 |
| merlin1991 | but ie jaffa should have accesss | 00:47 |
| merlin1991 | -s | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, but jaffa wasn't available either | 00:47 |
| merlin1991 | hm I think I'll do a -testing release tomorrow (if I find time in vienna), it's only microb-engine obexd and evolution-data-server missing from the stuff that could go into the release | 00:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 yawns | 00:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh a git repo 5 days later won't be end of the world | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we can care about git admin redundancy another time | 00:48 |
| merlin1991 | atm I have cssu-enabler, qt4, modest, tinymail, xterm, osso-wlan, kernel-policy, and upstart ready | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is kernel-policy? | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and UPSTART?! :-o | 00:49 |
| merlin1991 | it's a package that controls various things, in our case pali changed the jackbias settings so that one can use the button on the headset :) | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah that one | 00:50 |
| merlin1991 | upstart has a fix to enable +x on fat and a short notice to /etc/fstab that it is indeed auto generated | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't you think it would need a bit more of field testing? it is rather green yet | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, sounds low profile for upstart | 00:50 |
| merlin1991 | well it has absolutely no effect unless someone listens for the information, so it can't be *that* bad | 00:51 |
| merlin1991 | (policy-settings that is) | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh? | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought it comes with RE'd prolog tables or whatever | 00:51 |
| merlin1991 | according to Pali those prolog tables are 100% decompileable (which is what he did) | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, if the resulting "binary" is diff $?=0 | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise I think it hasn't seen much of any testing yet | 00:53 |
| merlin1991 | well ofc it is not diff $?=0 because the jackbias setting is different :) | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it affects audio of a phone, I consider it risky | 00:54 |
| merlin1991 | well remember the ke-recv disaster we had | 00:54 |
| merlin1991 | nothing can get worse than that :D | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | arr, no audio on phonecalls even worse tha ke-recv desaster | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just saying, I'd be wary to throw it into T in current state of verification | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | I dunno Pali threw the decompile script into the repo aswell and it looked like it's really simple | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I haven't noticed it getting deployed even as test tarball or anything, anywhere. Maybe I missed that | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | it's somewhere in the omp tmo thread afaik | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any feedback? | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | I'd have to check :) | 00:58 |
| merlin1991 | but at some point we have to start trusting our devels :) | 00:58 |
| merlin1991 | and also it's -testing after all | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least *minimal* tests and feedback (some half dozen users or so) might be worth it | 00:58 |
| merlin1991 | no promis of rock stability there | 00:58 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I'll always install it on my device before releasing it to the whild | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure no promise, but otoh everybody using T as his personal S meanwhile | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's each time the same, balance between risk and impact | 00:59 |
| merlin1991 | PEBKAC | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd give a shit about verification state of a pink pony wallpaper, or a special ringtone | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I'd like to see some minimal tests on something possibly fecking up audio | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you recall that weird though scary event when some FMRX stuff smoked up the microphone hard? | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still an ubsolved mystery | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unsolved* | 01:03 |
| merlin1991 | I have no idea what you're talking about | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in very early maemo5 days we had some destructed hw due to sokme FMRX package messing with those policies | 01:04 |
| merlin1991 | phew, sounds scary | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | users had to send in their devices for warranty repair, iirc | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I mean, audio is scary - just a tiny bit | 01:05 |
| merlin1991 | nevertheless, I'll test it on my device and will only publish after that, but afaik Pali has been running it for quite some time, same as a few people on the omp thread (just read the posts there) | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd sleep better if some half dozen users tested it befor we deploy it to masses | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if there on that thread are half a dozen reports like "WFM", I'm almost happy | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd still like to test it myself before we deploy | 01:07 |
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| merlin1991 | it's already in -devel | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm glad to hear you'll test as well | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh | 01:07 |
| merlin1991 | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/p/policy-settings-rx51/ | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so probably a few more than half a dozen users already | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah THAT -devel | 01:08 |
| merlin1991 | ofc not extras-devel :D | 01:08 |
| merlin1991 | but you can wget the .deb from there and try for yourself | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll give it a try | 01:08 |
| merlin1991 | it should be (almost) 1:1 to what ends up in -testing | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe we do it the right way this time: test the complete cssu-t release before deployment | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 01:10 |
| merlin1991 | well I'll scp and dpkg all pkgs on my device, but how do you want todo it yourself? | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm volunteering for guinea pig | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, we'd need an unofficial repo URL for that, I guess | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything else is faking the real thing | 01:12 |
| merlin1991 | could hack that up tomorrow if I find that time (should be a straigt copy&paste from the other repos on my server) | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that's what I thought | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | much appreciated | 01:13 |
| merlin1991 | yea, I'll see how much time I have tomorrow, I've planned 2 hours of random time before I have to get to the airport, but crazy stuff can always happen | 01:13 |
| merlin1991 | anyway, bed time gn | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and one grannite rule: never deploy anything on Friday (or even before you go to holiday) | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 merlin1991 | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (friday) murphy's law says this will always fail | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and odds are nobody notices it until the only one who can fix it isn't available anymore for next 2 weeks ;-) | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, now better chances to revive infobot when it's down :-) | 01:24 |
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| gregoa | merlin1991, DocScrutinizer05: I've policy-settings-rx51 0.4.10.8+0m5 installed from maemo.merlin1991.at (since it's there) and my device hasn't gone up in smoke yet. anything specific I should look out for? | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gregoa: sure :-) many thanks! please check all audio functions | 02:49 |
| ShadowJK | with default maemo install I was particulary impressed how listening to headphone music, receiving incoming call, it didn't blast caller with music or mute caller to me, it paused music. Same for bluetooth | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever you can think of: BT headset, BT stereo music, wired same, speakerphone, normal phone, ringtones, recorder via internal mic & wired mic in headset & BT. FMRX to any possible sink, FMTX from any possible source | 02:51 |
| gregoa | DocScrutinizer05: phone calls work, sms notifications are noisy, I can play audio files. - and I don't have any fancy headset with buttons or BT to test ... | 02:51 |
| ShadowJK | re bluetooth, amusingly, listening to device-local bt a2dp audio is more reliable than listening to device-local through headphone :-) | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, and of course AV-out | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gregoa: almost every headset has one button | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fancy multibutton wired headsets don't work with N900 anyway | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the headset that usually ships with every N900 has a button as well | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | inside the mic blob | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just squeeze it | 02:56 |
| gregoa | DocScrutinizer05: ah right, just found the original headset and it has a button :) what is it supposed to do? i.e. how can I test it? | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the whole point of pali's mods. It basicaly triggers a kernel IRQ that emits a kernel event which probably gets received by ke-recv od hald-addon-whatever etc dunno, and finally there - I guess - should be some msg on dbus | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably first location where such keypress shows up will be in syslog | 03:02 |
| gregoa | DocScrutinizer05: nothing in syslog when I press the button on the headset while playing a song in mediaplayer | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, button doesn't show up in syslog :-/ | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you can end any arbitrary (GSM) call with that button | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that is no new function and should still work | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously my assumptions on what chain of subsystems detects and handles button been incorrect | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or kernel simply doesn't log that event | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you also should be able to accept inbound calls by pressing the button | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea what else Pali thought of, for using the button function | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it's any sane it should be a dbus signal in the end anyway | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or (pretty unlikely but possible) a /dev/input key event | 03:21 |
| gregoa | I'm not expecting any calls right now at this time of the day :) | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, just mentioning it ;-) | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | primary concern anyway is that there are no regressions with new policy stuff, esp in audio but also in those two standard functions of the button | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it actually adds new functionality and if that functionality works as supposed is another level of verification | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the most important part is phonecalls, via all 4 (5?) possible 'speakers' | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course checking mic function in each one as well | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | focus of course on wired headset, and transitions to/from headset to other operaqtion modes | 03:27 |
| gregoa | at least ordinary phone calls with the built-in mic continue to work. I'm afraid anything more advanced has to be tested by someone else :) | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | boot with headset plugged in and verify it works as supposed | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, yes. it's not exactly a sincle-case test scenario. That's why I been sceptical | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | about the amount of testing it has seen so far, and if that's sufficient to claim it's ready for primetime | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one possible bug for example: plugging in headset during cal makes phone think button got pressed and thus disconnect call | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same for unplugging | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another one: booting with headset plugged in, the headset isn't correctly detected | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the kind of tests we need for this policy stuff | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | background: mic and button are same wire on headset, so both functions are closely related | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's expected that mic ceases to record during button gets pressed. Everything else should work: plug in headset during call, unplug during call, etc pp | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and AV video is same wire as well | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so a call with AV cable plugged in shouldn't get auto-accepted nor eventually disconnected by Phone misreading AV cable as headset with button pressed | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same for 3-pin headphones plugged in | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it *should* use headphones and internal mic, I'd guess | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this AV/headset and policy stuff is pretty complex | 03:44 |
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| merlin1991 | just wanted to check my emails before I run off to the airport, but guess what, the fsckd ssd with my windows install got corrupted again, this time the windows registry file went with it | 15:15 |
| merlin1991 | thus rendering the installation unbootable | 15:16 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: merlin1991: It's easy to miss requests in IRC at the moment. A lot less easy to miss if emailed to maemo-developers | 16:01 |
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| Lava_Croft | use irssi+screen+seperate window for hilights! :) | 20:48 |
| Estel_ | or use maemo-developers instead, as suggested, and don't have any problem at all ;) | 20:53 |
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