| jon_y | btw, does making frame buffer built in cause a big code size increase? | 00:00 |
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| kerio | include *all* the modules! _ò/ | 00:25 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: thanks for checking this over a long time and providing the proof for me :) | 00:45 |
| kerio | meh, now the full charge is 1500mAh, according to bq27k | 00:52 |
| kerio | it's definetely NOT | 00:52 |
| kerio | it's 1200 at best | 00:52 |
| kerio | whoops, wrong window | 00:53 |
| kerio | freemangordon: is the fix already in cssu-thumb? | 00:55 |
| kerio | or will it be soon? | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: whatcha talking about? | 00:56 |
| kerio | the pselect bug | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: currently every klernel has the bug | 00:57 |
| kerio | i should've provided a bit more context, i was reading the scrollback | 00:57 |
| kerio | aww :c | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | since even if the bug is fixed in the kernel libc isn't recompiled | 00:57 |
| kerio | well, cssu-thumb already has an updated glibc | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | libc has to be compiled with kernel headers with a the fix in order for everything to work | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: that's only due to the newer gcc used to build the thumb stuff | 00:57 |
| kerio | i see | 00:58 |
| merlin1991 | iirc it's only libstdc++ that is updated in -thumb, though I might be wrong | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while ! ./bq27200.sh | grep -q 'VDQ:1'; do echo 'Please charge battery! Use fastcharger!'; sleep 60; done; echo -e '\n\nNow stopping bme and discharging battery to lower limit.\nYou will not want to draw extreme power to speed that up too much, since it will spoil calibration.\n\nCharging will resume automatically once battery got discharged, please keep fastcharger connected!'; stop bme; sleep 30; while ./bq27200.sh | grep -q 'EDV1: | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0'; do ./bq27200.sh|grep 'TTF:'; sleep 10; done; ./bq27200.sh; echo '************* RESUMING CHARGING *************'; start bme; sleep 10; stop bme; sleep 2; start bme; echo 'Please let device charge completely now to complete learning cycle!' | 00:59 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: that would require leaving the n900 plugged in at all times | 01:00 |
| kerio | ish | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: just testing ^^^this now, since I need a learning cycle anyway | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yes, so what? | 01:01 |
| kerio | well, i kinda have to use it | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mmpfff | 01:01 |
| kerio | and go to the beach and stuff | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing, and when it reaches EDV1 you run for charger | 01:02 |
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| kerio | but it says "please keep fastcharger connected"! | 01:03 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: "beach", where do you live? | 01:05 |
| kerio | merlin1991: rome, but i'm at my holiday house | 01:05 |
| kerio | still italy, but near the sea | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: this "script" is for lazy people that like to calibrate overnight | 01:06 |
| kerio | i see | 01:06 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: dang I should have known that earlier, I was in rome a year ago | 01:06 |
| merlin1991 | I still heaven't met a single soul of this channel personally which I find kinda sad personally | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ideally you should find your N900 in perfect condition, charged and calibrated, when you awake in the morning | 01:07 |
| kerio | hm | 01:07 |
| kerio | i could do that | 01:07 |
| kerio | merlin1991: well, a year ago i wasn't this involved with the n900 community | 01:07 |
| kerio | i still had my old one, with a broken usb port | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only precondition: make screen backlight stay always on and level5 | 01:08 |
| kerio | (my only phone, i couldn't risk bricking it by doing silly stuff) | 01:08 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, why? | 01:08 |
| kerio | also, won't bme turn it off? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise it doesn't discharge in one night | 01:08 |
| kerio | (the backlight) | 01:08 |
| kerio | i see | 01:08 |
| kerio | well i can just turn it screen-side down | 01:08 |
| kerio | should the cell radio be on? | 01:08 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: what do you think of a kind of cssu get together some day? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice idea, though I'm afraid somebody will beat me up (or I feel the urge to do that to somebody ;-P) | 01:09 |
| kerio | cssu cage match between doc and estel! | 01:09 |
| kerio | the one that survives decides the future of cssu | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nope, future of CSSU got already decided on | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | always been | 01:10 |
| kerio | but i wanted to see a cage match :c | 01:10 |
| kerio | ot: hmm, apparently an "iphonehigh" twitch.tv stream only takes like 28kb/s | 01:11 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: as long as estel does not have critical mass for all of his ideas inside the cssu team, cssu will stay almost as business as usual | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: would you like to verify : | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while ! ./bq27200.sh | grep -q 'VDQ:1'; do echo 'Please charge battery! Use fastcharger!'; sleep 60; done; echo -e '\n\nNow stopping bme and discharging battery to lower limit.\nYou will not want to draw extreme power to speed that up too much, since it will spoil calibration.\n\nCharging will resume automatically once battery got discharged, please keep fastcharger connected!'; stop bme; sleep 30; while ./bq27200.sh | grep -q 'EDV1: | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0'; do ./bq27200.sh|grep 'TTF:'; sleep 10; done; ./bq27200.sh; echo '************* RESUMING CHARGING *************'; start bme; sleep 10; stop bme; sleep 2; start bme; echo 'Please let device charge completely now to complete learning cycle!' | 01:11 |
| kerio | he would have critical mass if he killed everyone else :D | 01:11 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm actually going to try | 01:12 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: 0.75 L of white wine say I don't want to :D | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: c&p ;-P | 01:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: shellscript or gtfo | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 01:13 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: no n900 here, and since you're the black magic master of shellscripts in here I'm not so sure if I can find any errors by simply reading through it :D | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, wait a while, I'll prolly publish 'proper scriptie' tomorrow | 01:15 |
| kerio | :c | 01:15 |
| kerio | but i'm going to sleep right now! | 01:15 |
| kerio | actually, the battery is almost empty right now | 01:15 |
| kerio | and i don't know if there's enough time for it to charge, discharge and charge again | 01:15 |
| kerio | (it's only got 9 hours and a half, or something like that | 01:16 |
| kerio | ) | 01:16 |
| kerio | will it be enough? | 01:17 |
| kerio | hm, what does it mean to screw up the calibration? | 01:19 |
| kerio | isn't power consumption tracked accurately | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: here you are: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh | 01:20 |
| kerio | :3 | 01:20 |
| kerio | i'm probably not going to use it right now, though | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | F*CK-U | 01:20 |
| kerio | :c | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 01:21 |
| kerio | there's not enough time! | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I could've had a piss during the time I prepared that one specially for you | 01:21 |
| kerio | you could've peed at the same time | 01:22 |
| kerio | don't blame me for your lack of multitasking | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 01:22 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you think 9 hours are enough for an almost-charge, a discharge with no extra consumption and another charge? | 01:23 |
| kerio | also, won't the phone reboot once you restart bme? | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need extra consumption to drain it 'fast'ish | 01:23 |
| kerio | hm | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like backlight on | 01:24 |
| kerio | aww, this dude i'm watching botched a star in super mario 64 and now he's 35 seconds over the WR :c | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TTF: 65535 minutes TTE: 168 minutes | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TTF: 65535 minutes TTE: 165 minutes | 01:24 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: won't bme reset the phone because of the voltage? | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if anybody likes to do a review: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh much appreciated | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK_: ^^^ | 01:26 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: reset the backlight brightness | 01:26 |
| kerio | pali-style | 01:27 |
| kerio | whenever you start/stop bme | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | v0.2 | 01:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: perhaps it's better to use charge21.sh to charge afterwards? | 01:27 |
| kerio | bme is a fickle bitch | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now I wanna know if it works at all (pissed it ;-D) | 01:28 |
| kerio | in theory, it works | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW I wrote it down from top of my head, not even checked it twicce | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm not completely sure if I picked the correct "triggers" in grep 'trigger' | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither I'm sure if it is semantically correct beyond mere syntax check in mcedit | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for all I know it *should* work and even catch EDV before device shuts down, and restart charging | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not entirely sure if all that results in a valid learning cycle though | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, it should. For all I recall about that stuff | 01:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well, it would be better to i2cget the values you want | 01:34 |
| kerio | but the process is sensible | 01:34 |
| kerio | are you sure that stopping bme will halt any kind of charging? | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's best unix practice to reuse existing tools/filters | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yes | 01:35 |
| kerio | and grep the hell out of everything? ew | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I had to create some CPU load to discharge battery anyway ;-P | 01:36 |
| kerio | hehe | 01:36 |
| kerio | why does using a lot of power screw up the calibration, btw? | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery goes down too quickly | 01:36 |
| kerio | so? | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it needs several seconds at the edge between EDV1 and total brownout | 01:37 |
| kerio | yeah but there's plenty of time between EDV1 and actual brownout | 01:37 |
| kerio | there's a lot less time between EDV1 and bme rebooting | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'd be amazed | 01:37 |
| kerio | but there's no problem if you use charge21.sh :) | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also about your capacity of otherwise good cells when discharged at 1C | 01:37 |
| kerio | meh, when i calibrate i enable offline mode, shut down everything and leave the screen on at low brightness | 01:38 |
| kerio | (once i get close to 3200mV | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (bme /charge21.sh) i'm using neither, since we DIScharge ;-P | 01:38 |
| kerio | ugh, mismatched parenthesis) | 01:38 |
| kerio | i meant afterwards | 01:38 |
| kerio | anyway, going to sleep | 01:39 |
| kerio | cya guys | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | going to have a shower | 01:39 |
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| ShadowJK_ | DocScrutinizer; charging completely after discharge is not necessary | 07:37 |
| ShadowJK_ | and you probably want to grep for TTE | 07:38 |
| ShadowJK_ | oh, they're on same line | 07:38 |
| ShadowJK_ | kerio; I calibrate at a "normal" load, something like 300mA when reaching 3248mV | 07:39 |
| ShadowJK_ | Against that calibration, lighter loads will run longer, and heavier loads might suddenly jump from 10% to 6% at the end | 07:40 |
| ShadowJK_ | depending on how good/worn the battery is | 07:40 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK_: hm | 09:54 |
| kerio | won't 300mA for 15s make bme shut down the phone, though? | 09:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK_: right, last message is BS | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: bme won't do anything, it's stopped | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: and while mine made some funny noise on starting it again after finishing calib cycle at EDV1, it still started charging right away and did NOT shut down, as you can see in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.session.log | 12:20 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm | 14:09 |
| kerio | k | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | re-hmmm | 14:10 |
| kerio | still, charge21 is cooler | 14:10 |
| kerio | >:) | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cooler than what? | 14:10 |
| kerio | than bme | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one thing's for sure, YOU are lame! ;-) otherwise you'd rename (or symlink) charge21.sh to bme if you like it so much | 14:11 |
| kerio | i'm waiting for pali to release the userland for his charging module | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not interested in what you're waiting for | 14:12 |
| kerio | you're mean :( | 14:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 heads out for another coffee, since IRC once again has negativism as an answer to contribution | 14:12 | |
| kerio | anyway, i suppose that enabling bme *right after* edv1 turns on would make it work | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq it does, I tested it | 14:13 |
| kerio | you tested it once | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you? | 14:13 |
| kerio | still 0, will probably test it this night | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw what makes you think I tested that all *once*? :-o | 14:14 |
| kerio | twice? thrice? | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm fuzzing with bq27200, bq24150 and bme since, err >2 years now | 14:15 |
| kerio | i meant that script | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, my very first script I wrote in my life | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "did you use THAT VERY '1' for your last time you calculated '1+1=2'?" | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: look, I'm "the master of charging and boostmode", and I wrote that script off top of my head and it worked instantly on first shot, not even a typo, just a nonsensical final echo "BS message" | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I tested it and it worked | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what else got you to critisize? | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: since I wrote that whole script just for you: | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-04 23:31:47] <kerio> no, i'm talking about bq27200 | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-04 23:31:55] <kerio> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 here's a guide | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought I'd get a tad better words than "meh, bme is lame!" | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohwell | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you're too lame to tell me you want to use it for charge21.sh, then oh my not me to blame | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd write same script for charge21.sh in same time, and it works same way | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw you should check for most recent version before using it | 14:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 still shakes head about how and why bme would shut down device rather than starting to charge immediately, when started at low battery and charger plugged in | 14:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would probably result in really nasty deadlock when plugging in a shutdown device with flat battery, as bme on getting started would immediately shut it down again, thus stopping charging before it began | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | begun? | 14:45 |
| BCMM | has transitions.ini moved or something? my /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini has forcerotation = 0 but i still need to lock landscape mode to stop it rotating things like camera-ui | 14:46 |
| BCMM | ... naturally, i can't reproduce this behaviour now taht i've typed it in to IRC | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | forcedrotation is not allow-gui-rotate | 14:47 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: ? | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | frankly camera-ui down't need any forcing to rotate | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't* | 14:47 |
| BCMM | forcedrotation rotates apps that don't mark their windows as rotatable, unless they are on hte blacklist, right? | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something like that | 14:48 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: wait, camera-ui (cssu version) rotates of its own accord? | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | camera in cssu-t is nikocam that probably does mark window as rotating | 14:48 |
| BCMM | why would it do that? | 14:48 |
| BCMM | also, fcamera has had the same problem | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because it's written like that | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what was your question? | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why forcedrotation=0 doesn't stop apps from rotating? because it's not defined to do that | 14:49 |
| BCMM | i *think* that non-rotating apps have been (intermitently) rotating as if forced | 14:50 |
| BCMM | including apps that are on my blacklist | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I don't use blacklist since I hate rotation | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I use gui-can-rotate=0 (or similar) | 14:51 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: what's that do? landscape lock? | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so for details you better ask somebody else | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, basically landscape lock | 14:51 |
| BCMM | also, my tile_font entry doesn't seem to be honoured, so I was wondering if it didn't like my transitions.ini in general | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible, transitions.ini has changed a bit | 14:52 |
| BCMM | well i'll start again from the default version and edit again i guess | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good plan | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also see changelog and faq and features wiki | 14:52 |
| BCMM | is that what transitions.ini.dpkg-dist in the same directory is? | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 14:53 |
| merlin1991 | BCMM: start with http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/data/transitions.ini as a base | 14:53 |
| BCMM | hmm. then what is the dpk or apt command to restore default configs? | 14:53 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: ah, thanks. will do! | 14:54 |
| BCMM | uh, if that's from git, won't it be for a potentially newer version that what i have? | 14:54 |
| merlin1991 | nope, there have been no changes to it in ages | 14:54 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: is it actually maintained? | 14:55 |
| BCMM | cause i've had a way to trigger a hildon-desktop crash for ages | 14:55 |
| merlin1991 | well arcean still hacks on hildon-desktop, but there were no changes on the transistion.ini since quite some time | 14:55 |
| merlin1991 | BCMM: and where is the friggin bug report about that? | 14:55 |
| merlin1991 | those are things we'd like to know :D | 14:56 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: i'll look it up | 14:56 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: it may not have helped that somebody else had already posted it, but really vaguely | 14:56 |
| BCMM | not quite vaguely enough for it to be sensible to make a new bug instead of commenting | 14:56 |
| * merlin1991 did go over *all* bugs against cssu at some point in time, but does not remember a vague bug about h-d crashing | 14:57 | |
| BCMM | merlin1991: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12266 | 14:57 |
| povbot | Bug 12266: hildon-desktop crashes when switching from fullscreen application to notification | 14:57 |
| BCMM | i believe that the title is inaccurate as explained by my comment | 14:57 |
| BCMM | it dates back to MHD before there was a CSSU version of HD | 14:58 |
| merlin1991 | hm atm firefox is not showing the page :/ | 14:58 |
| kerio | merlin1991: expired ssl cert | 14:59 |
| kerio | :/ | 14:59 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: nah that ain't the problem, silly firefox took 2 minutes to load the page | 14:59 |
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| BCMM | merlin1991: basically, when you have set gconf key /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav to make ctrl-backspace work like alt-tab, then you try to use that with a notification window up (e.g. sms), HD crashes every time | 14:59 |
| merlin1991 | how the fuck did that bug get past me | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, nice | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never ran into it, while I too use ctrl-bs like that | 15:02 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: did you just manage to reproduce it? | 15:02 |
| * merlin1991 blames bugzilla | 15:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never occured to me to use it while notifier shows | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not yet tried | 15:02 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: heh, you need to get a mobile provider who spams SMS with special offers and stuff then. | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BCMM: which type of notifier are we talking about? the temporary one, or the multiline interactive one? | 15:03 |
| BCMM | i'm often multi-window browsing with notification i don't want to deal with yet up | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | oh, I know why | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | it's files as severity enhancement | 15:03 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: i don't know what you mean by hte latter | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | s/files/filed/ | 15:03 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: it's filed as severity enhancement | 15:03 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: but i mean the sort of thing you get for an sms | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as WUT? | 15:03 |
| kerio | not crashing is definetely an enhancement | 15:04 |
| BCMM | where the top left button lights up and there is a "window" on the switcher | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, my last sms just left a blinking white square upper left | 15:04 |
| BCMM | uh, i just tried to reproduce it and it didn't crash... | 15:04 |
| BCMM | that's a first | 15:04 |
| BCMM | sorry, maybe it got quitely fixed | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll try to reproduce it | 15:05 |
| BCMM | this time it just "alt-tabbed" between the real windows i had open and ignored the notification | 15:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 sends sms to self :-/ | 15:05 | |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: woah, i'm stupid, i've been asking my network for my allowance | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, so I won't send that sms | 15:05 |
| BCMM | didn't occur to me to text self | 15:05 |
| BCMM | i haven't tested it in a while since i'm just in hte habit of not using alt-tab when there is an "active" task-switch button | 15:06 |
| BCMM | but this is the first time it hasn't killed HD | 15:06 |
| BCMM | just rebooting in case having restarted h-d to apply transitions made a difference | 15:07 |
| BCMM | it really isn't crashing for SMS notifications any more. sorry. | 15:10 |
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| merlin1991 | BCMM: I'll try it when I get back home, but if nobody can reproduce it anymore I'll close the bug report as "works for me" | 15:11 |
| BCMM | i wonder how long i've been being careful about alt-tab for for no reason... | 15:13 |
| BCMM | i'll just test with some other notifications | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: shall I close ticket? | 15:14 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: wait a bit | 15:14 |
| merlin1991 | it might be that it works sometimes | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BCMM: could you post a comment according to "WFM now"? | 15:14 |
| merlin1991 | I hate bugs like #12631 the original reporter provided a lot of information, I traced down the problem, we fixed it and now when it's time to confirm the "fixed" he isn't around anymore | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usual | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "closing since OP not around. Reopen if due" | 15:15 |
| merlin1991 | hm I wonder if I've put anybody on 12601 | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's wrong with povbot? | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bug 12631 | 15:16 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12631 MonoDevelop app broken after update cssu | 15:16 |
| merlin1991 | bug like #12631 | 15:17 |
| merlin1991 | bug like 12631 | 15:17 |
| merlin1991 | seems it only triggers on bug $x | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bugs 12345 | 15:17 |
| merlin1991 | bug 12345 | 15:17 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12345 Miniature's i18n is missing | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bug #12345 | 15:17 |
| merlin1991 | oh not even with # | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bug #12348 | 15:17 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12348 Miniature for MeeGo CE doesn't show TextField | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | timeout | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | povbot is semi-intelligent | 15:18 |
| povbot | DocScrutinizer05: Error: "is" is not a valid command. | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only SEMI ;-) | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bug #12345 | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh that long? | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bug #12346 | 15:19 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12346 Miniature needs a proper repository | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway needs " bug " | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | " bugs " obviously doesn't work | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | back to 12631 | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOLWUT? * Assertion at mini-arm.c:2881, condition `thumb_supported' not met | 15:22 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: that was because mono loaded the osso-gnome-vfs lib (which was thumb) but realized by itself that it can not run thumb on our kernel | 15:23 |
| merlin1991 | which in turn made the assert fail | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | coooolshit | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mono is great, isn't it (me heads out puking a bit) | 15:24 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: was your n900 in offline mode when you did the calibration with your script? | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 15:35 |
| kerio | also, is it intended for the notification led to turn on like during flatbat recovery? | 15:36 |
| kerio | (nothing in the userland side handling the charging) | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will go away in short time | 15:38 |
| kerio | i see | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I admit I could handle that closer | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the script been an initial proof of concept that 'just worked' | 15:39 |
| kerio | what turns that led on, btw? | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since you requested a script *immediately* "ptherwise won't happen" | 15:39 |
| kerio | bq24k? | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bq24150 chip will enable steady amber (under certain circumstances) | 15:40 |
| kerio | i request a bugatti veyron immediately! | 15:40 |
| kerio | and i'm still not convinced that turning on bme won't make my phone shutdown (because bme is stupid) | 15:41 |
| kerio | (and my battery is kinda awful) | 15:41 |
| kerio | anyway, TTE: 166 minutes | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-05 13:43:34] * DocScrutinizer05 still shakes head about how and why bme would shut down device rather than starting to charge immediately, when started at low battery and charger plugged in | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-05 13:45:16] <DocScrutinizer05> would probably result in really nasty deadlock when plugging in a shutdown device with flat battery, as bme on getting started would immediately shut it down again, thus stopping charging before it began | 15:41 |
| kerio | hold on, "would probably"? | 15:42 |
| kerio | isn't flatbat recovery made *because* that situation would arise? | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flatbat emergency charging made for bme even starting eventually | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not to cure bme shutting down device | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which would definitely lead to a bootloop | 15:44 |
| kerio | yeah but in theory flatbat emergency charging would bring the battery up to a level where bme won't complain | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flatbat emergency charging would bring the battery up to a level where system can start | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's way below the level where bme complains | 15:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 has delusions of an UPS built by kerio, that when mains returns shuts down PC since "power been away before" | 15:47 | |
| kerio | hehe | 15:47 |
| kerio | it's the only way to be sure! | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bme is a C*H*A*R*G*E*R | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when started it begins to *charge*, not shuts down system | 15:48 |
| kerio | hmm, perhaps it's hald-addon-bme that does stuff like that? | 15:48 |
| kerio | there's definetely *something* that shuts down the system gracefully when the battery is too low | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NOBODY does stuff like that | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it would result in every single N900 deadlocked in bootloop | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: whatever shuts down system when battery too low ONLY does that when NOT IN CHARGING MODE | 15:49 |
| kerio | k | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise low battery was fatal | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | every single time | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | logic, watson, mere logic! | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw the steady amber gets reset by bq24150 watchdog eventually | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or by Vbat >> Vbat-end for emergency charge | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since emergency charge stops at iirc 3.7V and we shut down bme (which causes emergency charge and amber initially) at only 100% charged battery which is ~4.2V and thus >> 3.7V | 15:55 |
| kerio | hmm... not really, i started the script when the battery was already more than halfway discharged | 15:57 |
| kerio | but bq27k reports "discharging" | 15:57 |
| kerio | (amber light still on) | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: umm, charging battery is only needed for setting VDQ:1 | 16:22 |
| BCMM | merlin1991, DocScrutinizer05: managed to reproduce the bug this time | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if your bq27200 already started a learning cycle (VDQ:1), it's not necessary to charge prior to discharging until EDV1:1 | 16:24 |
| BCMM | i have the calander and two browser windows open, and an email notification | 16:24 |
| kerio | yeah, but the emergency charge won't stop due to high voltage | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BCMM: then maybe attach proper detailed(!) "how to reproduce" to ticket | 16:24 |
| BCMM | and when i press ctrl-backspace, h-d dies every time when i release ctrl | 16:24 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: my comment on the bug basically is that | 16:24 |
| BCMM | it's always worked for me before today | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: DADAAADADAAA you spotted a flaw in my script | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: even worse: the charging by emergency-charge my invalidate the learning-cycle | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thanks! | 16:26 |
| BCMM | huh, h-d isn't respawning | 16:27 |
| BCMM | i thought the watchdog was supposed to trigger a reboot, not just leave me with no WM | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: bq24150 will stop emergency charging anyway after ~30min, but you need to keep device power consumption above charging current delivered by bq24150 during that time, otherwise battery gets intermittent discharge (or rather charge) that will invalidate the whole learning cycle | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BCMM: err, yes | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until dsme decides it respawned too fast too often, when cssu should open a xterm rather than rebooting device hard | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, fuzzy as always. DSME supposed to restart H-D several times | 16:30 |
| BCMM | what's the use opening an xterm if there is no WM and some other window just ends up in front? | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until finally DSME reboots (stock) resp opens xterm (CSSU) | 16:30 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: whew, apparently backlight at level 5 + crappy 3g reception is enough to consume more than the emergency charge can provide :D | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since there's no WM you usually can't start new apps after xterm start, so xterm window should be on top | 16:31 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: yep, can reproduce the crash now. i have an email notification up, and any attempt to use the task switcher crashes h-d | 16:32 |
| BCMM | my comment on the bug is the best i cna do for steps to reproduce, no idea why it failed earlier | 16:32 |
| kerio | BCMM: not enough windows open, maybe? | 16:34 |
| BCMM | kerio: i can do it with just one, or none | 16:36 |
| BCMM | with none, it crashes on starting the switcher, not on exiting | 16:36 |
| BCMM | i don't knnow if it makes a difference that it's a multiple email notification | 16:36 |
| merlin1991 | BCMM: I'll get arcean on it when I get a hold of him | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: could yu please post result of "which i2cget"? | 16:50 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: thx | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: you? ^^^ | 16:51 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "" | 16:51 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: no n900 here till tonight | 16:51 |
| kerio | the output of "sudo which i2cget" is "/usr/sbin/i2cget" | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, thanks to both | 16:51 |
| kerio | it's installed with bnf | 16:51 |
| kerio | i think | 16:51 |
| kerio | or something | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 16:52 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: you can check the package with "dpkg-query -S /usr/sbin/i2cget" | 16:52 |
| kerio | hm, no it's not bnf | 16:52 |
| kerio | merlin1991: ty | 16:52 |
| kerio | anyway, DocScrutinizer05++ | 16:54 |
| kerio | the script still worked | 16:54 |
| kerio | :3 | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: meanwhile you might want to download fixed version | 16:54 |
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| kerio | :o | 16:54 |
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| kerio | what did you fix? | 16:54 |
| kerio | i downloaded it two hours ago or something | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reset bq24150 to stop emergency charging | 16:55 |
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| kerio | neat | 16:55 |
| kerio | link again plskthx | 16:55 |
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| kerio | anyway, the package is i2c-tools | 16:55 |
| kerio | (for i2cget and i2cset) | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | patched again, please redownload ;-) | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1247595&postcount=1369 | 16:58 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's still no pali-like brightness restore :c | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there is joerg brightness restore | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but commented out | 16:59 |
| kerio | restarting mce is carpet bombing! | 16:59 |
| kerio | resetting the brightness level is like sniping | 17:01 |
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| kerio | (whoops) | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: now it occurs to me - how did you manage to start the script *after* plugging in charger and still have VDQ:1 ? | 17:04 |
| kerio | no, i started it before :) | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I hope the new command I inserted to disable charger chip will fix the issue reliably | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to recheck massively edited http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1247595#post1247595 | 17:24 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, how do you completely stop the charging *before* the user has plugged in the wallcharger? | 17:26 |
| kerio | won't the flatbat recovery start, if the user connects the wallcharger after you reset bq24k? | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope to achieve that ny sending "disable" command to bq24150 | 17:27 |
| kerio | will bme reenable it correctly afterwards? | 17:27 |
| kerio | ShadowJK_: ping | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure if chip won't enter reset with charging enabled nevertheless, after 32s watchdog times out | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK_ | I would expect it to reset after either 32s or 32m | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 32s | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any I2C command enters 32s mode | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I probably should check for VDQ:1 during discharge, and abort and quit when VDQ:0 | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I as well could keep bq24150 from resetting, by tickling watchdog ;-) | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | said, done | 17:32 |
| * ShadowJK_ checks results of charging at 550 | 17:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ShadowJK_please recheck http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh | 17:35 |
| kerio | i like how i've suddenly become a battery chip expert | 17:35 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: still the carpet bombing thing, huh | 17:36 |
| kerio | :3 | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK_ | 9075 seconds to full at 550. 6657 at 950 | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I send /usr/sbin/i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0xcc every 10s now | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | according to ShadowJK_'s script which I ruthlessly use to save me from reading datasheet, this disables charger | 17:37 |
| * kerio can't find any obvious problems | 17:37 | |
| kerio | apart from the fact that you're spamming the i2c bus | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what it's made for | 17:38 |
| ShadowJK_ | cc? | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: again | 17:38 |
| ShadowJK_ | oh | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | # Disable charger for configuration: | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0xcc # No limit, 3.4V weak threshold, enable term, charger disable | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (C) ShadowJK_ | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm way too lazy to bit-AND the shit myself | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from that datasheet | 17:39 |
| ShadowJK_ | enable termination charger disable, no input carge current limit, 3.4V weak battery threshold | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds sane enough for the intended purpose | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually a funny problem to disable emergency charging | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really something you usually want to accomplish | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even a documented function afaik | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it's quite a pathological state for charger chip | 17:44 |
| ShadowJK_ | you just do it like bme, set disable charger bit. then tickle watchdog | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, when exactly is bme doing that? | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for what purpose? | 17:50 |
| ShadowJK_ | when charger is unplugged | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh, it should STFU then | 17:51 |
| ShadowJK_ | before determining rate of charge after plugging in | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, that's sane, yes | 17:51 |
| ShadowJK_ | If you don't atleast tickle wd you get the orange bright led immediately when user plugs in charger too | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: that is what I'm about to fix | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, so I suppose I could sent watchdog tickle instead/in-addition to the 10s each 0xcc | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0xcc # No limit, 3.4V weak threshold, enable term, charger disable | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not sure though if watchdog is supposed to kick in when constant I2Cset comand to config register happens | 17:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 frowns | 17:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | done | 17:59 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: by the way, are you sure that not advising for offline mode is a good idea? | 18:30 |
| kerio | what if a call comes in? | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? then a call comes in | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how's that different from you being on the road? | 18:31 |
| kerio | voltage drop and stuff | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 18:31 |
| kerio | i meant during the discharge part, where we leave the n900 almost empty | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still meh | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what desaster could happen? | 18:32 |
| kerio | phone shuts down before calibration ends D: | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you're free to go offline if you're that concerned | 18:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: instead of doing nothing or resetting the brightness by restarting mce, your script could lock the screen | 18:44 |
| jonwil | yeah, trigger the same thing as the lock flick button does | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I frankly like it the way it is | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for charging the backlight off makes sense anyway, and mce restarts creates that uebercool fade in effect on screen | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why bother about even more different methods? | 18:50 |
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| kerio | so there's a visual indication of the charging happening | 19:03 |
| kerio | (blinking amber led/solid green led) | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to imlement it | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but there won't as according to my recommendations you've set backlight to always-on & level5, mind you? | 19:21 |
| kerio | well, it's just an extra line of dbus something | 19:21 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yes, the backlight is always-on and level 5 | 19:21 |
| kerio | but it still turns off if you lock the screen :) | 19:21 |
| kerio | i mean, manually | 19:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 shrugs | 19:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | restarting mce seems to cure all that | 19:23 |
| kerio | no, i mean | 19:23 |
| kerio | with everything working properly, and with the status area applet set to level 5 and always on, you can still lock the screen with the slide button or the power key | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why would I do that? | 19:24 |
| kerio | you could do that programmatically once the calibration ends | 19:25 |
| kerio | and the charging starts | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what for? | 19:25 |
| kerio | because why not | 19:25 |
| kerio | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_tklock_mode_change string:"locked" | 19:25 |
| kerio | it's a script you're meant to run before going to sleep anyway | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not going to sleep, I'm going out for dinner now ;-P | 19:27 |
| kerio | without your phone? :O | 19:27 |
| kerio | madness | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, why remove some sort of 'logging' indicator by overriding it to a faked 'normal' behaviour? | 19:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 starts to wonder where from kerio gets all those random assumptions | 19:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for example what makes you think I'd leave home without my phone? | 19:29 |
| kerio | oic | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, what makes you say that? I can't see anything I mentioned that would suggest I'd do | 19:31 |
| kerio | well, you said "i'm not going to sleep, i'm going out for dinner" as if to imply that you were going to run your script to calibrate bq27k while you were going out for dinner | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already run that once, no need to do that again ;-) | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all it's a low-risk deployment that doesn't need triple check prior to each rollout | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | esp with a few silly edits that are just c&p | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm self confident that it 'just works' | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and if it doesn't, you'll tell me ;-P | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw you forgot to hit the thanks button over at tmo | 19:39 |
| kerio | i also forgot to make a tmo account | 19:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that explains this | 19:39 |
| kerio | hi infobot ^_^ | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wb infobot | 19:39 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 19:39 |
| infobot | thanks, kerio | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime | 19:40 |
| infobot | - Uptime for infobot - | 19:40 |
| infobot | Now: 1m 48s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux | 19:40 |
| infobot | 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 | 19:40 |
| infobot | 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 | 19:40 |
| infobot | 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tim busy | 19:40 |
| kerio | ok, registered | 19:43 |
| kerio | ok, thanked | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | haha, nice comment applicable to pushing leet stuff into cssu while it's not at all needed there: | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sanshiro's reply: | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Fanboy insecurities on full display: s/he needs other people (everybody if possible) to like what s/he likes. IF not, s/he goes on the offensive. | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | When you grow up, you will be able to use/buy things and enjoy them without such worries. | 20:06 |
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