IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Sunday, 2012-07-08

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keriohow does the "Update clock automatically" toggle in settings work?13:04
keriowith the time provided by gsm/umts?13:04
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DocScrutinizer05yes14:21
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kerioare there plans for proper 720p support in the future?16:37
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Estel_kerio, what do you mean? 720p works by using 720p things from freemangordon. For recording and playback17:40
kerioEstel_: yeah, will those be eventually integrated in cssu?17:41
keriothey require the change of files in system packages17:42
Estel_ask CSSU maintainers17:42
Estel_AFAIK merlin1991 and MohammadAG17:42
kerio...thus, me asking that question here17:42
* Estel_ nods17:42
Estel_yes, i just wanted to highlight specific people addressed with this question17:42
Estel_i.e. ping them :P17:42
Estel_(which I did by mentioning their names)17:43
kerioEstel_: i'm not even sure of what the files i'd have to overwrite do18:14
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Lava_Crofti reckon 720p support is more something for cssu-extra or whatever20:29
keriowhat's cssu-extra? :O20:30
kerioi want it20:30
kerioit sounds neat20:30
Lava_Crofti think its a planned repo for stuff that doesnt really belong in cssu base20:31
Lava_Croftthe name cssu-extra was just made up by me20:32
kerioi suppose cssu-thumb kinda fits20:32
keriobut that's even more specialized20:32
Lava_Croftcssu thumb doesnt fit at all20:32
Lava_Croftunless stuff is thumb2 compiled20:33
kerioi meant the other way around20:33
keriothumb stuff in a -extra repo20:33
Lava_Croftthat doesnt really fit either20:33
kerioso DocScrutinizer is happy because we don't break binary compat with old closed-source kernel modules that can't be recompiled20:34
Lava_Croftthe word 'extra' does not mix well at all with what cssu-thumb tries to accomplish20:34
keriothumb would kinda fit in cssu proper, except for the kernel20:34
Lava_Croftand except for the hack solution thumb2 uses20:35
Lava_Croftcssu-thumb is nice, but its one big hack :)20:35
kerioit's not :c20:35
Lava_Crofti dont know how you want to call their solution to be able to use thumb2 compiled binaries then:)20:36
kerioa workaround for hardware bugs?20:36
DocScrutinizer05cssu extras probably refers to cssu optional packages, which are simply another class in HAM, besides user and whatnot else is already there20:37
Lava_Croftyes20:37
keriooh, so i'd have free non-free extra?20:37
DocScrutinizer05kinda20:38
DocScrutinizer05I think it's one level lower20:38
kerioso... free non-free20:39
kerioextra?20:39
kerio*ba dum tsss*20:39
DocScrutinizer05same way libs don't show up in HAM as installable pkg, optional packages will only be... optional20:39
keriooh, so just not installed by default20:39
kerioi see20:39
DocScrutinizer05there's a tag on each package saying ehat it actually is20:39
kerio...why not? 720p support is good, even if a bit stuttery because dsp isn't overclocked20:40
keriofreemangordon: how is one supposed to use cssu-thumb? add the repo and then tell HAM to upgrade?20:42
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders what for he got a brain, if it's not useful to recall where merlin1991placed the proper description of cssu optional concept20:42
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: just don't have cssu enabler install it :)20:43
kerioi mean, it's just a repo20:43
Lava_Croftdoesnt 720p video require overclocking20:44
Lava_Croftnot the dsp, but the cpu20:44
keriomeh20:44
kerionow, *that* shouldn't be in cssu :)20:45
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_ade_freemangordon: ping22:24
freemangordon_ade_: pong22:25
freemangordonkerio: read the thread on TMO please22:25
keriofreemangordon: re:720p?22:26
_ade_question: recently I did some bugfixing in the replacement clock and used some more meaningful variables. What would you see as a next step towards cssu?22:26
kerio_ade_: does it work kinda the same as the builtin clock?22:27
_ade_it is almost identical...22:27
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keriothen cool22:28
kerio_freemangordon: your "read the thread on TMO" was re:720p, right?22:28
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_freemangordonkerio: sorry, network problems22:28
_freemangordon[22:23] <freemangordon> no, re thumb22:28
_freemangordon_ade_: pong22:29
keriooic22:29
_ade_yes, still there...22:29
kerio_freemangordon: oh, so it goes through cssu-enabler again22:31
kerioi see22:31
keriois it going to be regarded as another cssu "flavour"?22:31
kerioor is it still testing, just with more packages?22:31
keriobecause i'm already on cssu-t22:31
_freemangordonjust enable the damn repo and wait for maemo5 update22:32
kerioi won't :C22:32
kerioi still haven't decided22:32
kerioand i'm kinda short on internet :(22:32
kerio...i suppose that i can just unpack my full backup though22:32
keriodecisions...22:32
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_ade__freemangordon: you noticed my question?22:43
DocScrutinizer05_ade_: does the new clock fix any bug in stock implementation?22:47
DocScrutinizer05_ade_: or does it add much needed new augmented functionality?22:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: opensourceness22:48
DocScrutinizer05which other packages in system at large will depend on22:48
kerionot sure if it's that big of a deal though22:48
DocScrutinizer05well, it qualifies for an optional (and maybe alternative) pkg then, even if it's not 100% comprehensive replacement22:49
DocScrutinizer05aaah wait, we talked about that previously, didn't we?22:49
kerioDocScrutinizer05: does it qualify as a proper replacement if it's fully, 100% compatible with the closed source one and has at least the same features?22:49
DocScrutinizer05sure it qualifies for a proper replacement then, just not each available proper replacement qualifies automatically for inclusion into core cssu. For core cssu that gets forcefed to all cssu users it has to fix some severe bug or flaw22:51
DocScrutinizer05FOSS is no such bug22:51
DocScrutinizer05or rather non-FOSS22:51
kerio:(22:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: why do you hate opensource?22:52
DocScrutinizer05why do you think such silly things about me?22:52
DocScrutinizer05kerio: counter question: how's user experience improved by replacing one program with a 100% identical opensource program?22:53
_freemangordon_ade_: no :(22:53
_ade_DotScrutinizer05: it does not fix bug, as I know of none...22:53
_ade_Portrait mode is the main extra feature in the replacement clock22:54
_freemangordon_ade_: sorry, my inet connection constantly drops, will you repeat it22:54
DocScrutinizer05so we rather like to not mess with it on a mandatory basis for all users, means it's not qualifying for core cssu, but sure you can add it to cssu optional packages22:54
DocScrutinizer05hmmm, that might already suffice22:54
DocScrutinizer05(prtrait mode)22:55
_freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: WTF man, that was discussed and decided.22:55
_ade__freemangordon: question repeated: recently I did some bugfixing in the replacement clock and used some more meaningful variables. What would you see as a next step towards cssu?22:55
DocScrutinizer05freeooh? then I bet we came to same conclusion, as otherwise I would have recalled22:56
DocScrutinizer05_freemangordon: ^^^22:56
_freemangordon_ade_: is that commited in CSSU repo?22:56
DocScrutinizer05damn what a new fashion is that now to start your nick with _22:56
_freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, if my memory serves me well, it was decidet adeclock to land in cssu-extras-to-be22:57
DocScrutinizer05:nod:22:57
DocScrutinizer05exactly what I said above22:57
_freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: my nick is already occupied22:57
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_ade_all is committed in the CSSU repo22:57
DocScrutinizer05though I added "portrait support might already suffice for cssu core"22:57
freemangordonbecause of my connection being reset22:58
freemangordon_ade_: that should be enough for now, lets try to ping merlin199122:58
freemangordonmerlin1991: ping22:59
DocScrutinizer05anywaqy, if we already decided to get it to cssu extras, I'm absolutely fine with that22:59
freemangordonmeh, both maintainers mia23:02
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freemangordon_ade_: try to ping merlin1991 again, I am going on the vacation on Tuesday and won't be of much help. Though I will try to find him tomorrow23:03
_ade_that's okay, will try to contact merlin1991 later if you cannot contact him. Happy holidays in advance ;-)23:04
freemangordonthanks23:05
kerioi say the next step is to change mediaplayer with openmediaplayer23:11
kerioor, rather, to install openmediaplayer as mediaplayer23:11
kerioportrait support and QT goodness23:11
_ade_kerio: OMP is more complex and still heavily in development. So it is not a candidate at the moment23:13
keriok :(23:13
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: you're sure we need to replace original mediaplayer? why?23:51
DocScrutinizer05why can't user have both?23:52
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you still seem to miss the basic idea of CSSU not to force anything on users23:53
DocScrutinizer05we're not the violent preacher that forces people to their luck23:54
DocScrutinizer05and cssu is not the alternative better OS, it's a way to deploy bug fixes23:54
keriofor instance, because i still haven't found a way to make the file manager open songs in OMP23:55
DocScrutinizer05well then focus on THAT23:55
DocScrutinizer05it's actually a simple to solve probelm23:56
DocScrutinizer05look into mediaplayer.desktop and you'll probably understand23:56
DocScrutinizer05it's rather insane an idea to force OMP on every cssu user just because you can't find a way to make filemanager use OMP by default23:58

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