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| freemangordon | merlin1991, meeting today? | 21:30 |
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| merlin1991 | 20 utc | 22:11 |
| merlin1991 | so in about 50 mins | 22:11 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: ^^ | 22:11 |
| freemangordon | aah, damn, summer time here :( | 22:14 |
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| merlin1991 | Pali, freemangordon, arcean, DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG ping | 23:02 |
| Pali | pong | 23:02 |
| arcean | pong | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang | 23:03 |
| freemangordon | yep | 23:05 |
| merlin1991 | okay mag seems to be afk (I pmed him some time ago) | 23:05 |
| merlin1991 | agenda for today would be: cssu versioning scheme, testing->stable?, rotation | 23:06 |
| merlin1991 | anything to add? | 23:06 |
| merlin1991 | ah yeah + garage tasks | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, next update? | 23:06 |
| merlin1991 | that's part of the last one :) | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | ok | 23:07 |
| Pali | what is state of open media player and open world clock? | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | Pali, OMP is definitly not ready AFAIK, I have it onstalled and it is still crashing every now and then | 23:08 |
| Pali | and also sms broadcast widget? | 23:08 |
| Pali | freemangordon, I'm using OMP for 2 weeks and no crash | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | and even if adeclock is ready we are missing ade :) | 23:08 |
| merlin1991 | sms broadcast widget is scheduled for next update | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | Pali, want the coredumps? | 23:09 |
| merlin1991 | but anything else to add to the agenda? | 23:09 |
| Pali | freemangordon, not old coredumps | 23:09 |
| Pali | I saw in git more changes in code | 23:09 |
| merlin1991 | another item for the agenda, pdf-reader translation | 23:09 |
| Pali | so maybe some problems was fixed | 23:10 |
| Pali | but if you get crashes with last extras-devel version, send me it | 23:10 |
| merlin1991 | so, version scheme, testing->stable, garage (next update), pdfreader, rotation anything to add? | 23:10 |
| Pali | merlin1991, + tvout translations | 23:10 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, why is pdf translations not in CSSU repo, i upload it a week or so ago? | 23:10 |
| arcean | tvout translations? | 23:11 |
| freemangordon | arcean, tvout applet | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | no pkgs like clock or OMP into MP | 23:11 |
| arcean | yeah, not translated | 23:11 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, what about "devel-repo-to-be"? | 23:11 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: good point | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | must all become optional, as nothing depends on it | 23:11 |
| merlin1991 | agenda for today: version scheme, testing->stable, repo to be, garage (next update), translations, rotation, omp / clock | 23:12 |
| merlin1991 | let's start at the beginning | 23:12 |
| freemangordon | ..which reminds me of "community-kernel" | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | keep your fingers off my kernel! | 23:13 |
| freemangordon | s/me of/me for/ | 23:13 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: ..which reminds me for "community-kernel" | 23:13 |
| merlin1991 | if you look at http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mp-fremantle-community-pr/blobs/master/debian/control | 23:13 |
| merlin1991 | you'll notice that we have all kinds of cssu / mwhatever suffixed in our packages | 23:13 |
| Pali | merlin1991, + updating tvout packages | 23:14 |
| Pali | from upstream | 23:14 |
| merlin1991 | ah okay | 23:14 |
| merlin1991 | basically we have 2 types of packages in cssu | 23:14 |
| merlin1991 | those where we are upstream (like h-d) and those where we aren't | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd definitely be the opposite of amused when I had to learn next CSSU update tries to mess with my kernel | 23:15 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, we are discussing versioning scheme | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm not the only one feeling like that | 23:15 |
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| merlin1991 | currently most maemo packages have a version of realupstream+0m5 | 23:16 |
| merlin1991 | I would suggest that for future packages we simply add a -cssu0 at the end | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, what those xxx-0maemo1+0m5 is supposed to mean | 23:16 |
| arcean | -cssu0 or +cssu0 ? | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | and what is the difference :) | 23:17 |
| Pali | I think '-' char is traditional debian style | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | ok | 23:17 |
| merlin1991 | yeas | 23:17 |
| arcean | we are using '+' currently | 23:17 |
| merlin1991 | traditionally you have upstream-debianrevision | 23:18 |
| merlin1991 | from nokia we get upstream+0m5 | 23:18 |
| Pali | but upstream you also mean something-1maemo1 | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hybris ;-P | 23:18 |
| merlin1991 | so upstream+0m5-cssurevision would make sense in the traditional maemo way | 23:18 |
| merlin1991 | s/meamo/debian/ | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | will all that simplify anything? | 23:19 |
| arcean | so we should change naming scheme for some packages? | 23:19 |
| arcean | like libqt4-core | 23:19 |
| arcean | actually it's 1:4.7.4~git20110505+cssu6 | 23:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer boggles | 23:20 | |
| merlin1991 | changing that is going to get hard | 23:20 |
| merlin1991 | - is considered inferior to + by dpkg | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | use ² then ;-) | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | so no problem replacing "+cssu6" with "-cssu6" | 23:21 |
| merlin1991 | so even a 1:4.7.4~git20110505-cssu7 would be considered a downgrade compared to 1:4.7.4~git20110505+cssu6 | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | or some nice ANSI esc sequence ;-P | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 23:22 |
| merlin1991 | tbh I wouldn't bother with redoing the naming scheme of existing packages, but only fix the guidline of new packages to come | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 23:22 |
| merlin1991 | (like pdf-reader translations) | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: +++ | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | so, you want the versioning scheme to be -cssuX, where X is next CSSU version? | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | again, what does it simplify, this weird naming scheme? | 23:23 |
| merlin1991 | so bascially the question is, what kind of suffix do we want to add in case of packages where we are not upstream? | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm lazy on typing ;-) | 23:24 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: one should be able to see from the version what it is | 23:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 23:24 | |
| merlin1991 | so 10+0m5-cssu1 would be upstreamrelease 10, +nokia changes + cssurevision 2 | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh sure, compared to 11-cssu3 | 23:25 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | which obviously was happy without maemo patches | 23:25 |
| merlin1991 | exactly | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | but wait.... | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | WHEN will this EVER happen | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and - who cares? | 23:25 |
| merlin1991 | if we ever run into the point where we ugrade a library to a new upstream release | 23:26 |
| merlin1991 | like it happneed with qt | 23:26 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, what is the problem to have established versioning scheme, even if NOONE ever care | 23:26 |
| merlin1991 | and who cares, the maintainer, because he has to understand the mess :D | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm lazy on typing ;-) | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I get a headache from those version mess | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp when git comes in | 23:27 |
| freemangordon | so, lets agree on that if trere are no objections and move on | 23:27 |
| merlin1991 | yeah any objections to upstream+0m5-cssurev? (0m5 only if the source is based on a nokia maemo source) | 23:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs and wanders off to get some washing done. Need clothes eventually | 23:28 | |
| arcean | merlin1991: it's ok | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't mean I'm not lurking | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | and we start numbering from -cssu0 | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | ? | 23:28 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | agree | 23:29 |
| arcean | in packages like hildon-home we are still bumpinig only -ccsuX ? | 23:29 |
| Pali | merlin1991, I do not care about versioning, so if I make some changes in gitorious, can you or other change version to probler string? | 23:29 |
| Pali | *proper | 23:29 |
| merlin1991 | sure just ping me whenever you updated a package that it is ready for a version and I'll bump the version properly | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | Pali, updating debian/changelog that is :) | 23:30 |
| merlin1991 | arcean: in hildon home we have 0.3.71-9 currently | 23:30 |
| merlin1991 | and we consider ourselvels upstream | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | as we are :D | 23:30 |
| merlin1991 | so bump -x for small changes and the .71 for big ones | 23:30 |
| Pali | I mean that I can update debian/changelog, but I forget our version strings scheme :D | 23:30 |
| arcean | merlin1991: ah, ok :) | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | Pali, there will be a memo on garage | 23:31 |
| Pali | ok | 23:31 |
| merlin1991 | I'll put it into the wiki aswell | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | great | 23:31 |
| merlin1991 | I guess we all agree, so whatabout packages in -testing that could go to stable | 23:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer suffered a versioning nightmare during last 3 workdays, when 2 chips used same branch, but the updates wre not in sync | 23:32 | |
| merlin1991 | I think h-* + libclutter could go into stable, and freetype aswell | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | freetype? is it in testing? | 23:33 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | 123CNH1503356@CNH1503356-R3K006 | 23:33 |
| merlin1991 | libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.9-2osso2+0cssu1) is in the current -testing | 23:33 |
| merlin1991 | which was 1 segfault fixed and 1 cve | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | ok | 23:33 |
| merlin1991 | whatabout maemo-tvout-control, move current state into -stable, or push the upstream changes into -testing first and see what happens? | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | both? | 23:35 |
| Pali | tvout should go to stable | 23:35 |
| Pali | current version | 23:35 |
| merlin1991 | also any objections to the readyness of the current state of hildon-* packages? | 23:35 |
| arcean | do we have translations for tvout-control ? | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | well, I did some minor change to h-d, but it is not critical anyway | 23:36 |
| Pali | not yet | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | osso2+0?? WTF? | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | blame nokia :D | 23:36 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, do we have translation strings missing for tvout? | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | for -stable I'd like to have translations first | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 23:36 |
| Pali | tvout does not using gettext translations for new strings | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | it has hardcoded strings or what? | 23:37 |
| Pali | new strings are hardcoded in english into code | 23:37 |
| Pali | I think it should go to stable | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | without translations? | 23:38 |
| Pali | how long takes to transtale these new strings to other languages? | 23:38 |
| Pali | it has english texts | 23:38 |
| merlin1991 | imo having something in english only is a nogo for -stable | 23:38 |
| Pali | it is enought | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, agree | 23:38 |
| merlin1991 | well it's a regression over stock package | 23:38 |
| merlin1991 | and -stable claims to only be better than stock | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | Pali, we should not break user experience in such a way | 23:39 |
| merlin1991 | and also be rock solid :D | 23:39 |
| Pali | ok | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:39 |
| Pali | so we need people which transtale new strings to all nokia langs :D | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | you all get a star in my book, and no homework today :-D | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | do we have l10n packages for tvout or it should be RE? | 23:39 |
| Pali | it needs RE | 23:39 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: practically it doesn't need re but rahter newly done from the source | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | NP, merlin1991 has the tool written in his notes :P | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, why is that? | 23:40 |
| merlin1991 | well most strings are new | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | actually it needs the same what calculator does | 23:40 |
| merlin1991 | except for 2 or 3 :D | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | i.e. gettext usage | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | Pali, both sources are yours, would you do it? | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | and maybe it is a good idea to move Qt gettext to a library | 23:41 |
| merlin1991 | I'll put a task on garage for -tvout translations and will re the original ones, pali can you do the code side inside the applet? | 23:42 |
| Pali | freemangordon, source of what? | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | calculato and tvout | 23:42 |
| Pali | calculator ui is my | 23:42 |
| Pali | tvout control panel and tvout status menu too | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | there is a code fragment in calculator which encapsulates gettext functionality to be used in Qt | 23:42 |
| Pali | but tvout desktop widget and tvout library is from upstream project | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | well, we are talking for UIs | 23:43 |
| Pali | freemangordon, yes I created small functions to use gettext in qt | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | yes, I know, the question was whether it is not better to move that code in a .so | 23:43 |
| Pali | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-calculator/blobs/master/osso-intl.h | 23:44 |
| Pali | no | 23:44 |
| Pali | it is inlined functions | 23:44 |
| Pali | which only call gettext | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | I'd like to add that OMP is not ready till I check something | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | I forgot what it was, but I'll remember it once I pick up OMP on the N900 again | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | also, some segfault checks need to be placed | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG, if you ask me it is not ready even after you've checked the thing :D | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | freemangordon, the thing's probably still there :p | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | so even if I check it, it won't be ready :p | 23:45 |
| merlin1991 | so Pali when I got the translationd side of the applet done, can you add it to the code? | 23:45 |
| Pali | yes | 23:45 |
| merlin1991 | okay will do the task and assing it | 23:46 |
| Pali | I can add gettext into tvout code | 23:46 |
| Pali | I already have in code prepaired /* TODO */ | 23:46 |
| Pali | :D | 23:46 |
| merlin1991 | perfect next thing is repo-to be | 23:47 |
| merlin1991 | for all who have no idea what this is | 23:47 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, just a second | 23:47 |
| merlin1991 | what's left? | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | sorry I'm later, but about the versioning scheme | 23:47 |
| freemangordon | do you have diff between -testing and -stable, it is easy to miss something | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | we're using +0cssu$versionIncrementsInCSSU | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | all other packages with different versions were before the bug was closed | 23:48 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: you can diff it easily when you go over the wiki changelogs | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | if they still are like that, then we never changed them | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, ok, sure, I was just asking do you have it :) | 23:49 |
| merlin1991 | yeah I've got it | 23:49 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG, are you trying to tell that we should use +cssuX instead of -cssuX? | 23:49 |
| merlin1991 | oh yeah, MohammadAG is right | 23:51 |
| merlin1991 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11830 | 23:51 |
| povbot | Bug 11830: Consistent updating of version information | 23:51 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, MohammadAG, I think that you being the maintainers should agree on versioning scheme and put the result on garage and in wiki | 23:52 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: why +0cssu0 and not +cssu0 though? | 23:52 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: anything else before repo-to-be? | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | no | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | :) | 23:53 |
| merlin1991 | okay repo-to-be is a repo I've set up on my server which tracks -testing and also has a directory on the server which is used for importing | 23:53 |
| merlin1991 | so in praxis this would allow us to have a -devel repo we could use to test things between -testing versions | 23:54 |
| merlin1991 | it doesn't really make a differnece from dsitributing .debs but could ease that | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | <merlin1991> MohammadAG: why +0cssu0 and not +cssu0 though? | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | followed a weird versioning scheme by Nokia | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | +0m5 | 23:56 |
| merlin1991 | my idea was to create a user for each of us on the server, so everyone could upload into that repo | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | handle conflicts well | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | maemo.org's cssu repo corrupts the dpkg "status" file if two same versions are uploaded | 23:57 |
| merlin1991 | the used software in this case ignores every import for the same version if it already exists | 23:57 |
| merlin1991 | so in that case either bump the version or ping me to purge the old package (not preferred) | 23:58 |
| merlin1991 | any thoughts on the whole idea? | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, I don't think anyone is against having -devel repo, so it is up to you to set it up :p | 23:58 |
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