| merlin1991 | ffs I left the wireless on | 00:12 |
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| merlin1991 | now the batter is flat again | 00:12 |
| merlin1991 | and I still heaven't tested updated ham | 00:12 |
| merlin1991 | also somebody please tell kde to stop spawning windows on the NON PRIMARY monitor | 00:13 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: no WPS on your router? :) | 00:13 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 00:13 |
| merlin1991 | drains the battery in about 6 hrs | 00:13 |
| BCMM | nvidia drivers on your KDE machine? | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | yea :/ | 00:14 |
| BCMM | the official "nvidia" nvidia drivers? | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | yep :/ | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | and I'm so silly to want my left monitor to be the secondary | 00:14 |
| BCMM | it's not KDE's fault. you don't have multiple monitors. | 00:14 |
| BCMM | you have one oddly-shaped one | 00:14 |
| BCMM | well, according to the driver | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | can't be | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | it still snaps to 1 screen | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | and to the 4 subareas in 1 screen | 00:15 |
| BCMM | nah, i'm not exactly right | 00:15 |
| BCMM | but there is some part of normal X multi-display that nvidia doesn't play nicely with, last time i used it | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | well for example autodetect doesn't work for the 2nd monitor | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | but I can't have a fixed xorg.conf :/ | 00:16 |
| BCMM | for example, is it still impossible to set the positions of monitors in KDE system-settings? | 00:16 |
| amiconn | Eh, what? | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 00:17 |
| * amiconn leaves wifi enabled all the time on his N900 and doesn't notice a significant change in battery runtime as long as he's not actually using it | 00:17 | |
| BCMM | amiconn: you have a better router than merlin1991 | 00:17 |
| merlin1991 | amiconn: in order to run wifi at all with my router I have to disable wifi powersafing completely | 00:17 |
| BCMM | if the router supports WPS properly, you can idle for *days*, while connected to the 'net | 00:18 |
| BCMM | which seems like magic to me | 00:18 |
| merlin1991 | and that is like rendering 3d movies on the device 24/7 | 00:18 |
| merlin1991 | it also heats up a lot with power saving disabled | 00:18 |
| amiconn | Hmm, I am using my N900 in various wifi networks | 00:18 |
| BCMM | some routers don't support wps, rather more say they do, but it's horribly broken | 00:18 |
| merlin1991 | still have to use nvidia x settings for multi monitor stuff | 00:18 |
| amiconn | Never had to do anything special | 00:18 |
| BCMM | like, first ping time after a period of idling is measured in minutes broken | 00:18 |
| merlin1991 | amiconn: well from the device it works | 00:19 |
| merlin1991 | but pc -> device is unrelieable as shit | 00:19 |
| merlin1991 | ssh in from the pc with power saving enabled gives me 20 sec lags for anything I type | 00:19 |
| BCMM | amiconn: that's because you haven't met a broken router | 00:20 |
| merlin1991 | BCMM: with most broken routers it appears to work from the n900 side | 00:21 |
| merlin1991 | only when you try to reach your n900 from the outside you start to see the bs | 00:21 |
| amiconn | Hmm, weird | 00:21 |
| BCMM | heh, i win for brokenest router then | 00:21 |
| BCMM | not using that one now though) | 00:21 |
| amiconn | 6 networks where I know which router type is used (all different ones), and one more where I don't | 00:22 |
| merlin1991 | BCMM: now that I moved the first terminal to the right screen new ones spawn there aswell | 00:22 |
| merlin1991 | amiconn: in my case it's a D-Link piece of crap | 00:23 |
| amiconn | I rarely try to ssh in though. With my home wifi it works (occasional lag is there though) | 00:23 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: ping | 00:24 |
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| merlin1991 | hm? | 00:24 |
| BCMM | does the change in version number signify anything? | 00:24 |
| BCMM | sorry, i mean | 00:24 |
| merlin1991 | you mean the big new 2? | 00:24 |
| BCMM | does the change in version number format signify anything? | 00:25 |
| BCMM | but yeah, that | 00:25 |
| Pali | merlin1991, pong | 00:25 |
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| amiconn | Two different Fritzboxes, a Linksys, a Netgear, a Speedport (Samsung OEM), and a HP (Colubris) | 00:26 |
| merlin1991 | BCMM: which change do you mean? | 00:29 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: well, the big new "2", and the way it's called T-maemo1.2 instead of PR1.3.3.7-x | 00:30 |
| BCMM | wait, waht "2"? | 00:31 |
| merlin1991 | BCMM: we allways had bla-maemobla | 00:31 |
| merlin1991 | the pr 1.3.whatever was only in the wiki changelog | 00:31 |
| BCMM | ah, i do believe the changelog is out of date | 00:31 |
| BCMM | unless somebody has switched 2.1 and 1.2 | 00:32 |
| merlin1991 | feel free to fill it in ;) | 00:32 |
| merlin1991 | nah I heaven't had the time to write it yet | 00:32 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: if i did, how would i do it? go through git, write down the interesting bits? | 00:32 |
| merlin1991 | that's what I do :) | 00:33 |
| merlin1991 | compare the versions in the mp- package | 00:33 |
| merlin1991 | and then go through git for each changed package | 00:33 |
| merlin1991 | and then go over the buglist and add crossreference + close / comment on bugs | 00:33 |
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| BCMM | merlin1991: actually there's a bug i'm a little puzzled by | 00:34 |
| merlin1991 | but if you can wait another day or two then I'll have it done | 00:34 |
| merlin1991 | hit me | 00:34 |
| BCMM | it says in the changelog that 1.2 fixed https://bugs.maemo.org/12516 | 00:34 |
| povbot | Bug 12516: Error Message camera-ui: "Not enough memory to save photo" | 00:34 |
| BCMM | but it's still marked "new" - how can one tell it's fixed in CSSU? | 00:35 |
| merlin1991 | ah well we fixed one portion of that bug | 00:35 |
| BCMM | did af-defines change? | 00:35 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 00:35 |
| merlin1991 | inside camera-ui there was a bug also | 00:35 |
| merlin1991 | and nicolai found yet another one that is fixed with this cssu release | 00:35 |
| BCMM | (it was me that stupidly installed something to /scratchbox and left the wall-of-text comment) | 00:35 |
| merlin1991 | yeah that fix is going to come at som point too | 00:36 |
| merlin1991 | it's on our todo :) | 00:36 |
| merlin1991 | I guess the changelog should be edited to "partially fixed" | 00:36 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: well i was of the opinion that it was not purely an af-defines bug, contrary to the last bugzilla comment | 00:36 |
| merlin1991 | by now it is | 00:37 |
| BCMM | since the function that checks free disk space claims 0 free space if it encounters an error | 00:37 |
| merlin1991 | camera-ui learned even more about how to select partitions :D | 00:37 |
| BCMM | actually i should probably put that in a bugzilla comment | 00:37 |
| BCMM | what became of the discussion about how to mark bugs that are fixed in cssu but not 1.3? | 00:38 |
| merlin1991 | well | 00:38 |
| merlin1991 | bugs that are assigned against core components get no comment from us | 00:38 |
| merlin1991 | everything against the cssu project is cssu specific so gets marked as fixed simply | 00:39 |
| merlin1991 | ffs | 00:40 |
| merlin1991 | why didn't I deploy my pubkey on this particular n900 yet :D | 00:41 |
| BCMM | heh, same | 00:43 |
| merlin1991 | well it rather should by: why did I think it's necessary to have a different private key on each machine I own? | 00:45 |
| merlin1991 | from a security perspective, hell yes, usability omfg no | 00:46 |
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| merlin1991 | Pali: doing the upgrade test with your ham now | 00:46 |
| merlin1991 | whenever ham decides that it's ready todo it xD | 00:46 |
| Pali | merlin1991, try also to create big file in /home and/or also in /home/user/MyDocs | 00:47 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: how much space should be left when I do that? | 00:49 |
| merlin1991 | ... | 00:51 |
| Pali | patched HAM should not care about /home (before must be 7% free space) | 00:53 |
| Pali | and in MyDocs are stored apt-cache | 00:53 |
| Pali | so HAM will calculate size deb packages if it is possible to download it all | 00:54 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: apt cache is in /opt/var/cache/apt | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | so in /home/opt .... | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | if you have it on mydocs then you edited the symlink yourself | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | also Kde why oh why won't you let me have playback on my usb headset? :/ | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | hm actually amarok works, only vlc uses the wrong device | 00:56 |
| Pali | I did not edited anything and HAM downloaidng deb files to MyDocs/.apt* | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | oh I didn't know it did that | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | I only noticed that they are aswell in /opt/var/cache/apt | 00:57 |
| Pali | check if it is true on your device too | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | I have a /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache/ | 00:57 |
| amiconn | That does exist here as well, but there's just one zero-length file and an empty subdir in there | 01:06 |
| merlin1991 | hm silly ham is missing about all of the new cssu packages | 01:24 |
| merlin1991 | now it tells me no update avaiable at all | 01:26 |
| merlin1991 | the fuck? | 01:26 |
| merlin1991 | Pali I fear you broke something in ham | 01:29 |
| merlin1991 | yeah Pali, your ham marked all packages as missing :/ | 01:42 |
| Pali | ok, I will try to find out where is problem | 01:43 |
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| int_ua | There is a 1TMaemo2.1 update but nothing on the wiki. Was it just released? | 04:38 |
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| freemangordon_ | merli1991, bugmeeting today? | 11:41 |
| freemangordon_ | merlin1991 ^^^ | 11:42 |
| merlin1991 | I'M not here today | 11:43 |
| merlin1991 | well | 11:43 |
| merlin1991 | I'm not here today after 17:00 UTC | 11:43 |
| freemangordon_ | ok, so there will be no bugmeeting today :-) | 11:44 |
| merlin1991 | we could check if everyone is avaiable tomorrow though | 11:46 |
| merlin1991 | btw we went trough all bugs that arent "enhancements" already | 11:47 |
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| freemangordon_ | well, we have a pending task to agree on what the hell "orientation lock" means. also i would like to have a discussion about community kernel | 11:49 |
| freemangordon_ | those are not bugs, but yet | 11:49 |
| merlin1991 | yeah, then there also isversion scheme and current state on gitorious / tasks | 11:50 |
| freemangordon_ | :nod: | 11:50 |
| freemangordon_ | btw libxml cve is fixed on gitorious, but no debian/changelog :-D | 11:51 |
| merlin1991 | :) | 11:52 |
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| Lava_Croft | orientation lock? it means rename my .desktop file so it dont show up | 12:54 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 12:54 |
| merlin1991 | Lava_Croft: we're trying to define what we consider orientation, and how we want to enable the user to "lock" it | 12:55 |
| Lava_Croft | at least not via status menu, please | 12:56 |
| Lava_Croft | i disable mundane rotation via gconf anyway | 12:56 |
| Lava_Croft | but its a bit of an annoying subject | 12:57 |
| Lava_Croft | hard to decide what to do | 12:57 |
| Lava_Croft | official cssu-settings applet would be nice | 12:57 |
| Lava_Croft | but i guess thats a bit hard to reach if you just want to quickly disable/enable rotation | 12:58 |
| merlin1991 | well I guess status menu + other place and an option to disable the status meny entry would be sane | 13:03 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah | 13:07 |
| Lava_Croft | or a desktop widget, people dig those!!!! | 13:07 |
| merlin1991 | well it's a gconf change anway so you can shove those widgets anywhere you want them :D | 13:11 |
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| Lava_Croft | ;) i know | 13:36 |
| Lava_Croft | i was teasing a bit | 13:36 |
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| freemangordon_ | merlin1991, I think the best place for orientation lock is power key menu | 14:10 |
| Lava_Croft | nooo | 14:11 |
| Lava_Croft | default buttons + reboot already makes 8 items in there | 14:11 |
| freemangordon_ | why | 14:11 |
| freemangordon_ | so? | 14:11 |
| Lava_Croft | menu gets too big and full | 14:11 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont like it with statusmenu either | 14:12 |
| Lava_Croft | rows of 4 is my personal maximum | 14:12 |
| Lava_Croft | but, i guess if you stay with the vanilla settings, which means no reboot button | 14:12 |
| freemangordon_ | power menu is always accessible, even if application is in fulscreen. and reboot is not enabled by default | 14:12 |
| Lava_Croft | powerkey menu sure looks like a proper place | 14:12 |
| freemangordon_ | yeah | 14:13 |
| Lava_Croft | and i dont think you should take 'customized' maemo as a starting point | 14:13 |
| Lava_Croft | so yeah, you are right | 14:13 |
| freemangordon_ | also have in mind that you can have submenus in power menu afaik | 14:13 |
| freemangordon_ | might be wrong | 14:14 |
| merlin1991 | well wherever we put it there should also be an option to hide the button | 14:15 |
| merlin1991 | since for people who don't use it at all it's just a waste of space | 14:15 |
| merlin1991 | or we do it like in -stable so that you can install the package (or not) | 14:15 |
| merlin1991 | but forcing the button on users anywhere is not a good idea | 14:15 |
| Lava_Croft | oh, i was thinking of just keeping it in settings anyway | 14:16 |
| Lava_Croft | besides where ever you put some easy to reach button | 14:16 |
| Lava_Croft | cssu needs its own settings applet anyway | 14:16 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 14:16 |
| freemangordon_ | well, as one of those who were using portrait lock, i can tell you a quick button is a must | 14:16 |
| Lava_Croft | yup | 14:16 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon_: sure, should be there but you should also be able to hide / remove it easily | 14:17 |
| merlin1991 | I for example don't even have the lock installed on my -stable device | 14:17 |
| Lava_Croft | i chose to rename the .desktop file in favor of removing the package | 14:17 |
| Lava_Croft | removing the package leads to a bit of a messy situation ;) | 14:18 |
| Lava_Croft | at least, it looks messy | 14:18 |
| freemangordon_ | well, landscape lock is not very usefull, we have keyboard after all. while it changes a bit with portrait lock :-) | 14:18 |
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| merlin1991 | Lava_Croft: that's testing vs stable, on stable the metapackage does not depend on it and the lock is actually visible in ham | 14:21 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, i figured | 14:21 |
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| * merlin1991 fixes the mess that came onto the wiki which they call a "changelog" | 17:58 | |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, they're not paid, you are | 17:59 |
| merlin1991 | heaven't seen that money I'm supposed to get yet ;) | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | you can't see $0 | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | but you're getting them | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | Loving the "forum down?" thread on tmo | 18:01 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 18:01 |
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| int_ua | What's the bug for "Correctly decide on mmc card type"? :) | 18:11 |
| merlin1991 | it's for the file manager | 18:12 |
| merlin1991 | sometimes it goes batshit crazy and marks your interal storage as sd card | 18:12 |
| merlin1991 | or some sd card as internal storage | 18:12 |
| merlin1991 | will be more important together with the upcoming ke-recv update which will allow to mount more than only vfat | 18:13 |
| int_ua | oh, I thought that it was the ext automount :) Thanks | 18:17 |
| merlin1991 | okay changelog is sanitized now | 18:19 |
| merlin1991 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#T-maemo2 | 18:19 |
| merlin1991 | and the corresponding bugs are closed aswell | 18:23 |
| merlin1991 | yay :/ | 18:23 |
| Raimu | Nice. | 18:24 |
| _freemangordon | merlin1991, going to RE ossopdfviewer l10n ;) | 18:37 |
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| merlin1991 | _freemangordon: that was the nixt thing on my agenda for today :D | 18:51 |
| _freemangordon | you're slow :p | 18:54 |
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| _freemangordon | merlin1991, any clue how am I supposed to ignore .git directory when building source package? | 19:07 |
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| merlin1991 | there's a flag for dpkg | 19:07 |
| _freemangordon | -i ? | 19:07 |
| merlin1991 | have to look it up | 19:08 |
| merlin1991 | seems to be -i | 19:08 |
| _freemangordon | -I most precisely | 19:08 |
| _freemangordon | merlin1991, here you are http://188.40.39.11/~freemangordon/ | 19:11 |
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| merlin1991 | thanks :) | 19:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | hah, no meeting. Great | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | wtf? | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 20:27 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: there was no date set | 20:51 |
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| RST38h | Am I the only one seeing dark red strips in the applications menu??? | 23:16 |
| RST38h | And how do I get rid of them? | 23:16 |
| arcean | RST38h, screenshot please :) | 23:17 |
| RST38h | ok, gone | 23:19 |
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