| Pali | in ke-recv code is line for ignoring swap | 00:00 |
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| freemangordon | ke_recv[1578]: mount_volumes:950: trying mount /dev/mmcblk1p3 to /media/mmc1p3 | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | Mar 11 00:00:26 Nokia-N900 root: /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh: /dev/mmcblk1p3 type '82' is not FAT32 or FAT16 | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | Mar 11 00:00:26 Nokia-N900 root: /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh: mounting /dev/mmcblk1p3 read-write fs vfat to /media/mmc1p3, rc: 255 | 00:01 |
| Pali | not enoght | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | what else do you need | 00:02 |
| Pali | can you upload full ke-recv syslog to pastebin? | 00:02 |
| Pali | ignoring swap is done in function which add paritition to volume list | 00:02 |
| freemangordon | what was the command from n900? | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | for pastebin | 00:03 |
| Pali | no idea if there is command for that | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | there is, but i will use the site anyway | 00:03 |
| Sicelo | apt-get install pastebinit | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo, 10x | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | Pali, http://pastebin.com/bqzEURQ1 | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | That is the result after using usb mass storage mode | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | "/dev/mmcblk0p3 950401 974976 24576 786432 82 Linux swap / Solaris" | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | oops, sorry | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | "/dev/mmcblk1p3 1806+ 1935 130- 1042168 82 Linux swap / Solaris" is the partitio in question | 00:05 |
| Pali | freemangordon, unplug card, restart ke-recv, plug it again and sent ke-recv syslog output again | 00:08 |
| Pali | this log say, that mmc part is already in list | 00:08 |
| freemangordon | Pali, I have my swap on sdcard, need to move it on internal mmc first, give me a couple of minutes | 00:09 |
| Pali | restart ke-recv | 00:09 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:09 |
| freemangordon | waiting for swapoff to complete | 00:09 |
| Pali | ok | 00:09 |
| Pali | also give me output of lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_130186e3_9585_40a8_954a_dc2ee500b23f | 00:12 |
| freemangordon | Pali, how am i supposed to restart ke-recv? | 00:12 |
| Pali | sudo /etc/init.d/ke-recv restart | 00:12 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:12 |
| Pali | is that above uuid swap? | 00:13 |
| freemangordon | Pali, this device is my ext3 partition, are you sure you need lshal output for it? | 00:13 |
| freemangordon | no | 00:13 |
| Pali | I need to know which is swap | 00:13 |
| freemangordon | Pali, http://pastebin.com/FMeKTxBP | 00:20 |
| Pali | is this your swap? /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_19ED_24CB | 00:23 |
| freemangordon | yes | 00:23 |
| Pali | give me output of lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_19ED_24CB | 00:24 |
| freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/0MR7L0Gx | 00:25 |
| freemangordon | something in kernel? | 00:26 |
| Pali | so this output from HAL thinks that that partition is FAT32 | 00:26 |
| Pali | not swap | 00:26 |
| freemangordon | I see | 00:26 |
| freemangordon | but it is swap, that is for sure, id 82 :) | 00:27 |
| Pali | try mkswap | 00:27 |
| Pali | 82 is only MBR ID | 00:27 |
| Pali | but HAL also look at first paritions magic chars... | 00:28 |
| freemangordon | Pali, that swap partition is the only one I use | 00:28 |
| freemangordon | what is the idea of doing mkswap on it? | 00:28 |
| Pali | I think that mkswap create proper header on that part | 00:29 |
| Pali | e.g. you need to create swap partition before using it via swapon | 00:29 |
| Pali | at least on that partition is some FAT32 header which some UID | 00:30 |
| freemangordon | sure, but why the hell would HAL think that ACTIVE (i.e. swapon-ed partition) is VFAT is beyond my imagination | 00:30 |
| freemangordon | Pali, it is my ONLY swap | 00:30 |
| freemangordon | so it should be good enough for swapon | 00:31 |
| Pali | no idea, but HAL is shit | 00:31 |
| freemangordon | :D | 00:31 |
| freemangordon | well, maybe this should be workarounded somehow | 00:31 |
| freemangordon | in ke-recv scripts, based on partition id | 00:31 |
| Pali | try swapon -f <device> | 00:32 |
| freemangordon | -f stands for? | 00:32 |
| Pali | -f should reinitialize swap device | 00:33 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:33 |
| Pali | manpage tell that it call mkswap if needed | 00:33 |
| freemangordon | swapon: invalid option -- f :p | 00:33 |
| Pali | seems that busybox does not support -f :-( | 00:33 |
| freemangordon | well, I will do mkswap | 00:33 |
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| Pali | if you used that partition for FAT32 before swap and you did not run mkswap this is normal problem | 00:35 |
| Pali | because swapon (without -f) maybe did not changed partition header | 00:36 |
| freemangordon | i did mkswap, let me try again | 00:36 |
| Pali | maybe again stupid HAL doing some bad things... or busybox | 00:37 |
| freemangordon | no joy, ke-recv tries to mount it | 00:38 |
| freemangordon | btw HAL reports volume.partition.type = '0x82' (string) | 00:38 |
| freemangordon | how is that related to VFAT? | 00:39 |
| Pali | volume.partition is data from MBR | 00:39 |
| Pali | and volume.* is data from parition (or kernel or somewhat...) | 00:39 |
| freemangordon | Pali, I think a workaround in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh is needed | 00:39 |
| freemangordon | to ingore swap partitions | 00:40 |
| Pali | problem is that we cannot say that MBR id is always correct | 00:40 |
| Pali | some windows programs for formating does not update it | 00:40 |
| Pali | but I'd like to know why that stupid hal always think that part is FAT | 00:41 |
| Pali | and where HAL got that FAT UID (19ED_24CB) | 00:41 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, do you know how HAL is working? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | a bit | 00:42 |
| Pali | see ^^^ | 00:42 |
| freemangordon | well, it is possible the stupid windoze I am connecting n900 to to make bad things | 00:42 |
| freemangordon | like screwing up unknown partitions | 00:42 |
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| freemangordon | naah, scratch that | 00:43 |
| Pali | freemangordon, maybe HAL does not update info after running mkswap/mkfs.* try to reboot N900 | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no sufficent knowledge about HAL to contribute much | 00:43 |
| Pali | after reboot HAL must loose its memory | 00:43 |
| freemangordon | Pali, i've removed the backcover after making mkswap, that should be pretty enough | 00:44 |
| freemangordon | did I? | 00:44 |
| freemangordon | let me try again, just to be sure | 00:44 |
| Pali | try to mkswap with closed cover | 00:44 |
| freemangordon | :) | 00:45 |
| freemangordon | what I did is mkswap, removed backcover, returned backcover on its place | 00:45 |
| freemangordon | no way I can do mkswap while de cover is removed | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | *the | 00:46 |
| Pali | ok, see if lshal was changed | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | volume.fstype = 'vfat' (string) | 00:47 |
| freemangordon | :( | 00:47 |
| Pali | restart hal | 00:47 |
| Pali | or can you create backup of first MB of your partition? | 00:47 |
| freemangordon | dd? | 00:47 |
| Pali | yes with dd | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | you think that bootsectors contains FAT signiture? | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | *bootsector | 00:48 |
| Pali | maybe | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | if that is th case then it is mkswap to blame | 00:49 |
| Pali | or you can try to dd if=/dev/zero for first MB of your part | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | but that won't solve our problem. BTW why do you think windows dows not update partition table? | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | ok, will try that | 00:49 |
| Pali | maybe also mkswap/swapon in busybox is broken | 00:50 |
| Pali | so maemo did not updated partition correctly | 00:50 |
| Pali | we found a lot of bugs in busybox, so this will be no surprise if swap is also broken... | 00:51 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, do you think that busybox can be safely use for swapon? | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | AIUI it should, though it doesn't support priorities afaik | 00:53 |
| freemangordon | "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1p3 bs=512 count=2048" done the job :) | 00:54 |
| freemangordon | lets do mkswap on that | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: wtf? | 00:55 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer wtf as in? | 00:56 |
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| freemangordon | I mean what did you find strange | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | what are you doing? | 00:56 |
| freemangordon | zapping the fist meg of my swap partition | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | secure erase? | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | what for? | 00:56 |
| freemangordon | because HAL thinks it is VFAT | 00:57 |
| freemangordon | :D | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd assume a simple mkswap should suffice | 00:57 |
| freemangordon | But it seems it is not HAL to blame, after all it is mkswap not updating the first sector | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 00:58 |
| freemangordon | Pali ^^^ | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, shouldn't this partition be marked as swap in MBR? | 00:58 |
| Pali | but HAL ignore MBR | 00:58 |
| freemangordon | it is | 00:58 |
| Pali | for detecting parittion | 00:58 |
| Pali | e.g HAL tell you MBR ID, but it show that fstype is other that MBR ID | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't sound right | 00:59 |
| freemangordon | actually sound right to me | 00:59 |
| freemangordon | because fs type is written somewhere in the first sector | 01:00 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, you can see freemangordon lshal output, where is correct swap mbr id, but incorrect (fat) fstype | 01:00 |
| Pali | you can detect fs type by first magic sequence on partition | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: nope, for a swap partition that's no requirement to have any special 1. sector afaik | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw same applies for superfloppy, obviously | 01:01 |
| freemangordon | Pali, actually DocScrutinizer, is right, by no means we can guess what will be in swap partition first sector | 01:02 |
| freemangordon | or first sector is not used? | 01:02 |
| freemangordon | we are not alone :) http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=119948 | 01:04 |
| Pali | I have no idea now how is that detecting... | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | if HAL tries to guess fs by first sector for all partitions, then that's a bug for sure | 01:05 |
| Pali | HAL is one big bug | 01:05 |
| Pali | now I understand why more desktop distribution removed HAL | 01:05 |
| Pali | freemangordon, is now your swap and ke-recv ok? | 01:07 |
| freemangordon | seems like | 01:07 |
| Pali | ok | 01:08 |
| freemangordon | but we should solve the issue with "Nokia N900" appearing for sdcard partitions | 01:08 |
| Pali | yes, I think that problem is in hildon-fm | 01:09 |
| freemangordon | BTW yoy can tell the system where is sdcard FAT partition mounted by using an variable | 01:09 |
| freemangordon | let me find the name | 01:09 |
| Pali | not working correctly | 01:09 |
| Pali | because some apps has hardcoded /dev/mmc1 | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | Pali, I mean gconf value | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | sure? | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | damn | 01:10 |
| Pali | not exactly | 01:10 |
| Pali | there is env, gconf key and hardcoded values in apps | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | "/system/osso/af/mmc-mount-point" | 01:10 |
| Pali | so for FAT partition (write access) is good idea to use only /media/mmc1 | 01:11 |
| freemangordon | ok | 01:11 |
| freemangordon | so you think it is hildon-fm? then it should be fixable | 01:11 |
| Pali | and I saw that each app using other method (gconf, global env, or the worse hardcoded name to /media/mmc1) | 01:11 |
| Pali | I think that hildon-fm decide what to show in osso file manager (and also in select file dialog) | 01:12 |
| Pali | and also decide how to show name + icon | 01:12 |
| Pali | you can try to use kp50 + last ke-recv for usb storage (host mode) | 01:12 |
| freemangordon | ok, let me push updated debian/changelog for ke-recv an I'll look at hildon-fm | 01:12 |
| Pali | it will automount it to /media/usb/<mount_point> | 01:13 |
| Pali | and in filemanager will be nice usb icon with correct storage name | 01:13 |
| freemangordon | I don't have usb stick around :D | 01:13 |
| Pali | ok | 01:13 |
| freemangordon | but could try with second n900 | 01:13 |
| Pali | :D | 01:14 |
| freemangordon | :D | 01:14 |
| freemangordon | Pali, debian/changelog for ke-recv updated | 01:17 |
| Pali | ok | 01:17 |
| Pali | freemangordon, did you find something new about thumb? or it is definitly broken on n900? | 01:23 |
| freemangordon | didn't have time to continue | 01:24 |
| Pali | ok | 01:24 |
| freemangordon | Pali, do you know who assigns "mmc-undefined-name" for volume name? | 01:24 |
| Pali | no idea, but string "mmc-undefined-name" is not in ke-recv | 01:25 |
| freemangordon | bug #8904 | 01:27 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8904 Memory card name changes to "mmc-undefined-name" after a couple of days | 01:27 |
| Pali | it is still in fremantle? | 01:27 |
| Pali | google say this: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-commits@maemo.org/msg01900.html | 01:27 |
| Pali | so libgnomevfs: +#define MMC_LABEL_UNDEFINED_NAME "mmc-undefined-name" | 01:28 |
| freemangordon | let me check something | 01:28 |
| freemangordon | yeah, that is what i wanted to check. we have that in cssu? | 01:28 |
| Pali | source code is on gitorious: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/osso-gnome-vfs2 | 01:32 |
| Pali | binary package libosso-gnomevfs2-0 | 01:33 |
| Pali | and here is that patch: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/osso-gnome-vfs2/blobs/master/debian/patches/07-mmc-card-name.patch | 01:35 |
| freemangordon | Pali, no mmc-undefined-name find there | 01:35 |
| Pali | line 33 | 01:35 |
| freemangordon | aaah, stupid me, i was skipping .patch files :) | 01:36 |
| Pali | look to branch fremantle, not master, it has more commits | 01:37 |
| freemangordon | yeah, lots of .patch files. | 01:39 |
| freemangordon | anyway, that should be fixable | 01:39 |
| freemangordon | hmm. that tries to open /tmp/.mmc-volume-label and searches there, i think it is ke-recv that writes that file | 01:41 |
| Pali | you are right | 01:41 |
| freemangordon | so we are back at ke-recv :) | 01:42 |
| Pali | but in that patch is somethink which determinate name of entry in file manager | 01:43 |
| Pali | so it should be fixed to work also for /media/mmc1p* | 01:43 |
| freemangordon | well, having several entries on filemanager with th same "Memory Card" labels is not much frendly | 01:44 |
| Pali | freemangordon, updating is done by shell script osso-update-mmc-label.sh (part of ke-recv) | 01:44 |
| freemangordon | yeah, I know | 01:45 |
| Pali | this is updating that /tmp/ files | 01:45 |
| freemangordon | but we should put at lieast partition sizes next to "Memory Card", at least that is what ubuntu does | 01:45 |
| Pali | but fat, ext, ... also support labels | 01:45 |
| Pali | ok | 01:46 |
| freemangordon | ok, use the label if there is one and concat the size in Gb, concat only the size if there is no label | 01:46 |
| Pali | seems that using that osso-* for getting label working only for FAT and only for partitions in /etc/mtools.conf | 01:47 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 01:47 |
| Pali | HAL does not tell us label? | 01:47 |
| freemangordon | NFC, let me check | 01:47 |
| Pali | it should be volume.label in HAL key | 01:48 |
| freemangordon | I am not sure I have label set on my ext3 partition | 01:48 |
| freemangordon | yeah , volume.partition.label = '' (string) | 01:49 |
| Pali | no volume.label | 01:49 |
| Pali | I tested and it give me correct for ext4, swap and vfat | 01:50 |
| freemangordon | volume.label = '' (string) | 01:50 |
| Pali | do you have set any label? | 01:50 |
| freemangordon | no | 01:50 |
| freemangordon | :) | 01:50 |
| Pali | so then it is ok | 01:51 |
| freemangordon | yes | 01:51 |
| Pali | we can drop that stupid osso-* label script and use hal | 01:51 |
| Pali | because hal told me also ext4 label | 01:51 |
| Pali | (drop = not call that script from ke-recv) | 01:52 |
| Pali | we do not know if other programs in maemo does not depend on it | 01:52 |
| freemangordon | no, we can't as it updates /etc/mtools.conf, and I suspect that is used from /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh | 01:53 |
| freemangordon | and maybe by some others | 01:53 |
| Pali | ok | 01:55 |
| Pali | I have other patches for pc-suite-enable.sh (and disable too) to enable usb network | 01:55 |
| Pali | what do you think can it be added to cssu? | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | what about sesection dialog, we should rewrite it too | 01:56 |
| freemangordon | *selection | 01:56 |
| Pali | is closed | 01:56 |
| freemangordon | i kno | 01:57 |
| freemangordon | damn | 01:57 |
| freemangordon | i know | 01:57 |
| Pali | but we can use pc-suite mode also for usb networking | 01:57 |
| Pali | because pc suite mode using g_nokia gadget | 01:57 |
| Pali | which automatically add usb0 interface | 01:57 |
| freemangordon | are you sure? I think there is an additional gadget when connection to pc-suite, let me check | 01:58 |
| Pali | I have already patched that script and it is working :-) | 01:58 |
| Pali | it also startup dhcp server in n900, so I can easy connect it to my laptop | 01:58 |
| freemangordon | isn't qtmobilehotspot supposed to do that? | 01:59 |
| Pali | no idea | 01:59 |
| freemangordon | :D | 01:59 |
| Pali | see fixed scripts: https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_pcsuite-usb-network | 01:59 |
| freemangordon | Pali, pc-suite-enable.sh is a part of ke-recv, no need for additional packaging | 02:01 |
| Pali | I know | 02:01 |
| freemangordon | ok | 02:01 |
| Pali | but this was prepaired for extras-devel | 02:01 |
| Pali | but never pushed | 02:01 |
| freemangordon | aah, i see | 02:01 |
| Pali | and now it can be integrated into cssu | 02:01 |
| freemangordon | well not sure that should go in CSSU, there is application in extras for internet sharing, and it does its job pretty well | 02:02 |
| freemangordon | including iptables control :) | 02:03 |
| Pali | ok | 02:03 |
| Pali | this is not designed for internet sharing | 02:03 |
| freemangordon | yeah, try qtmobilehotspot, damn good piece of a SW | 02:03 |
| freemangordon | and what for? | 02:03 |
| Pali | to connect to internet on n900 via notebook/computer | 02:04 |
| freemangordon | aaah, i see | 02:04 |
| Pali | or to connect to n900 via ssh | 02:04 |
| Pali | I using it for copying files | 02:04 |
| freemangordon | well, sound usefull, but bringing up a network by default does not sounds good to me | 02:05 |
| Pali | ok | 02:05 |
| freemangordon | we should rewrite that stupid selection dialog, shouldn't be that hard | 02:05 |
| Pali | or we can try to ask if that dialog cannot be opened | 02:06 |
| Pali | we have more stuff to rewrite :D | 02:06 |
| Pali | (e.g profile dialogs, ...) | 02:06 |
| freemangordon | yeah, but that should be a piece of cake, dialog with 2 buttons | 02:06 |
| Pali | you also need to listen to some events | 02:07 |
| Pali | and I have no idea to what and which events | 02:07 |
| freemangordon | I know. And there is IDA ;) | 02:07 |
| Pali | IDA? | 02:07 |
| freemangordon | interractive dissassembler :) | 02:08 |
| Pali | :) | 02:08 |
| freemangordon | never heard of? | 02:08 |
| Pali | no | 02:08 |
| freemangordon | wow | 02:09 |
| Pali | I used only objdump | 02:09 |
| freemangordon | thats the RE best friend | 02:09 |
| Pali | also when I RE cold flashing I used only objdump | 02:09 |
| freemangordon | it has even de-compiler for 386 | 02:09 |
| freemangordon | decompiles to pseudo-c code | 02:10 |
| freemangordon | very good, very useful, IDA rocks | 02:10 |
| Pali | ok, I will look at it when I do some RE :-) | 02:10 |
| freemangordon | well, you can get it legally of course, it costs a pile of money | 02:10 |
| freemangordon | *can't | 02:11 |
| freemangordon | and it has only windoze version afaik | 02:11 |
| Pali | ok, now I'm going offline | 02:13 |
| Pali | bye | 02:13 |
| freemangordon | bb | 02:13 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, ping | 12:12 |
| Pali | freemangordon, pong | 12:13 |
| freemangordon | look at ke-recv and libhildonfm on gitorious ;) | 12:13 |
| freemangordon | the only glitch remaining is the naming order, for some reason my fat partition is shown as Memory Card (2), while ext3 is just Memory Card | 12:14 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, ping | 12:15 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, who is responsible for ordering the partitions, HAL? | 12:19 |
| Pali | hal events | 12:19 |
| freemangordon | hmm, could that be workarounded somehow in ke-recv? | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | so /media/mmc1 to always has "Memory Card" as name | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | *vhave | 12:21 |
| freemangordon | whatever | 12:21 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, add build depends on library libvolume_id | 12:22 |
| Pali | to ke-recv | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | yep | 12:22 |
| freemangordon | shall that be added to control? | 12:23 |
| Pali | I think yes, but check correct package name | 12:24 |
| freemangordon | libvolume-id-dev | 12:25 |
| freemangordon | damn, filemanager freezes when USB device is automounted, could be that my second n900 sdcard partition table is a total mess | 12:26 |
| Pali | I got same problem sometimes | 12:26 |
| Pali | kill filemanager and open it again | 12:26 |
| freemangordon | yeah, that works | 12:27 |
| freemangordon | but seems like a bug | 12:27 |
| freemangordon | NFC where | 12:27 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991, ping | 12:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: you asked for HARM openmode kernel link? | 15:39 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, can't remember | 15:58 |
| freemangordon | in what context? | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you're not free-MG on #harmattan? | 15:59 |
| freemangordon | nope :) | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nm then :-) | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you got an N9 and are willing to test openmode kernel for harmattan 1.2 | 16:00 |
| freemangordon | I don't have N9. And TBH I won't get one, N900 is far better than N9 and I have 2 of it :) | 16:02 |
| Lava_Croft | having 2 n900's is king | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | 100% d'accord | 16:02 |
| Lava_Croft | but the n9 looks a lot more sturdy | 16:02 |
| Lava_Croft | the n9 is made from paper mache | 16:02 |
| Lava_Croft | er | 16:02 |
| Lava_Croft | n900* | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, of course a crappy C-TS with glas is more sturdy tan a nice R-TS. And less buttons have that only advantage that they can'T fail | 16:03 |
| freemangordon | well, usually I take care for the things I like, so fragility is not a problem for me | 16:03 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, but i use my n900 all day | 16:03 |
| Lava_Croft | the usage-hours are so high that theres just a real chance of it dropping orso | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | what do you think we do? | 16:04 |
| freemangordon | :D | 16:04 |
| Lava_Croft | im on the road most of the day | 16:04 |
| Lava_Croft | doing physical work | 16:04 |
| Lava_Croft | that differs from a possible office job, for example | 16:04 |
| freemangordon | I dropped my first n900 several times, one of the on a concrete from about 2 meters | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually dropped my daily one two times. one time I accidentally stepped on it when trying to catch it with my foot while dropping | 16:04 |
| Lava_Croft | my first fell down the stairwell | 16:04 |
| Lava_Croft | then i gamed nokia care and got 2 n900s back | 16:05 |
| Lava_Croft | one thing did hurt | 16:05 |
| Lava_Croft | i broken the lens on my new n900 | 16:05 |
| Lava_Croft | :< | 16:05 |
| freemangordon | seems you have to be more careful | 16:05 |
| Lava_Croft | naw | 16:05 |
| Lava_Croft | the broken lens was just bad luck | 16:06 |
| Lava_Croft | bunch of keys in my pocket pressed through the camera hatch | 16:06 |
| Lava_Croft | and broke the glass covering the lens | 16:06 |
| Lava_Croft | a true "what the fuck happened here" moment | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | broken lens can get fixed, whatever actually is broken for you | 16:06 |
| Lava_Croft | the glass is split in two | 16:06 |
| Lava_Croft | but still perfectly in place | 16:06 |
| Lava_Croft | i already switched to another n900 | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | so get a new case, they are like 20 bucks IIRC | 16:07 |
| Lava_Croft | in the future, maybe | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm searching for new N900 to purchase | 16:08 |
| Lava_Croft | but, what i was trying to say | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | if anybody heard sth | 16:08 |
| Lava_Croft | the only thing the n9 has over the n900 for me, its being more sturdy | 16:08 |
| Lava_Croft | well, i had a brand new one until a week ago orso, but now i dont anymore:< | 16:08 |
| Lava_Croft | its quite hard to find proper, new n900s | 16:08 |
| Lava_Croft | china is also pooping out fake ones | 16:08 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, you still can buy one here in Bulgaria, with 1 year contract, for about 200 euros :p | 16:09 |
| Lava_Croft | doc, you are in germany? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: willing to get two for me? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lava_Croft: yep | 16:09 |
| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer: ok, ill keep an eye out | 16:09 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, with a contract? | 16:09 |
| Lava_Croft | if i find a new one around here, in NL | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | what kind of contract? | 16:10 |
| Lava_Croft | the contract is the hidden cost of the n900 | 16:10 |
| freemangordon | normal contract with mobile provider | 16:10 |
| Lava_Croft | i got my first n900 with 2y vodafone contract | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, how much to pay it wholesale? | 16:10 |
| freemangordon | 1 year 15 euros per month, or something like that | 16:10 |
| Lava_Croft | nearly done with it | 16:10 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont know what kind of device to take next | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | so | 16:10 |
| Lava_Croft | theres about zero options | 16:11 |
| freemangordon | without contract it costs about 400 euros | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~15 * 12 + 200 | 16:11 |
| infobot | 380 | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | deal | 16:11 |
| Lava_Croft | 380 is still a bit steep | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can keep the contracts | 16:11 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, I don't need them :) | 16:11 |
| Lava_Croft | 'open' has a serious price:< | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, then get me two without contract please | 16:12 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, will see what could be done | 16:12 |
| Lava_Croft | meh | 16:13 |
| Lava_Croft | why are almost all n9's offered with contracts here the 16gb version | 16:13 |
| Lava_Croft | if not all | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: thanks | 16:13 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe i should get no new device at all | 16:13 |
| Lava_Croft | and just wait for that Spark tablet thing | 16:13 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, it was my GF who told me that n900 is still available through vivacom, let me check if that is still true (in the upcomming week) | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 16:14 |
| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer: you dont buy used? | 16:15 |
| Lava_Croft | most people i know just go with ebay n900s all the time | 16:15 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, http://www.vivacom.bg/en/residential/devices/section/mobile_phones/view/nokia_n900/offers | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lava_Croft: nope | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | since OCers I don't want used ones any more | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | and ebay is a PITA anyway | 16:17 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, but I cannot see the proce without a contract, will have to check in store | 16:17 |
| freemangordon | *price | 16:17 |
| freemangordon | BTW, I have no clue if one can offer that via internet, maybe it is possible, you can check if you wish | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | offer what? | 16:19 |
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| freemangordon | ok, purchase :) | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have a hard time with that site | 16:20 |
| freemangordon | why? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc what's BGN | 16:20 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, ISO currency code | 16:20 |
| freemangordon | just like USD and EUR and GBP | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | can you convert it to EUR for me? | 16:20 |
| freemangordon | divide with 2 | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | so actually 200EUR? | 16:21 |
| freemangordon | BGN is Bulgarian new lev | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | get me three please | 16:21 |
| freemangordon | yep | 16:21 |
| freemangordon | but that is with contract, i need 3 people willing to sign it | 16:21 |
| freemangordon | ;) | 16:21 |
| freemangordon | I need to go to store to check what is the price without contract | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd hope you can sign as many contracts as you like, when paying the full 24 months in advance | 16:22 |
| freemangordon | nope, you can't AFAIK | 16:22 |
| freemangordon | and I am not sure one can pre-pay | 16:23 |
| freemangordon | have to check | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but they usually should sell the phone without contract as well | 16:23 |
| freemangordon | sure, but that is not listed on the site, have to check in store | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise, how hard could it be to find 3 people willing to sign the contract when you pay all their expenses and allow them to keep the SIM and do with it whatever they like | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 16:25 |
| freemangordon | well that will be hard, because the contracts are prolonged automatically, all stuff like that | 16:25 |
| freemangordon | and most of my close friends already have n900 with contract :D | 16:25 |
| Lava_Croft | most of my close friends think my n900 is a magic device | 16:26 |
| Lava_Croft | since it does everyyyyything | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: anyway if you culd make this happen, shadowjk and me would be really grateful | 16:27 |
| freemangordon | well, almost everything, that is why I am keeping my GF around :D | 16:27 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, I will check | 16:28 |
| freemangordon | Should not be a problem | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ~200EUR | 16:28 |
| ShadowJK | nice | 16:28 |
| freemangordon | well, without a contract it is around 400 | 16:29 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, I thought you were talking BGN or whatever it was | 16:29 |
| ShadowJK | what kind of keyboard does bg version have? | 16:30 |
| freemangordon | the prices on the site are with contract, around 200 eur | 16:30 |
| freemangordon | normal | 16:30 |
| freemangordon | english one | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 16:30 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 16:30 |
| ShadowJK | 400-500 for a new one is ok for me | 16:30 |
| freemangordon | and it comes with 2 year warranty | 16:31 |
| Lava_Croft | which will be fun | 16:31 |
| Lava_Croft | claiming warranty on an n900 these days is quite funny | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, for me too if there's no better option, but then I only need one for me and ShadowJK another one, so 2 not 3 | 16:31 |
| Lava_Croft | and will test your patience | 16:31 |
| ShadowJK | Lava_Croft, Yeah I'm about to go through that | 16:31 |
| Lava_Croft | Ive been through it | 16:31 |
| Lava_Croft | end result was 1 n900 more than i started with | 16:32 |
| Lava_Croft | but its quite meh overall | 16:32 |
| * ShadowJK is just now flashing his hot-spare N900 and preparing to move data to the spare N900 and get the broken N900, which has a year of warranty left, to service :P | 16:32 | |
| Lava_Croft | they will keep on trying to push you a different device | 16:32 |
| Lava_Croft | in my case, they started to up-talk Symbian Belle | 16:32 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft, seems this mobile operator still has n900s on stock, so it would not be a problem to change it if something is not working | 16:32 |
| Lava_Croft | these days i guess its all windows | 16:32 |
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| Lava_Croft | freemangordon: the operator is not responsible for factory warranty | 16:33 |
| Lava_Croft | which is the 2y warranty (at least over here) | 16:33 |
| Lava_Croft | nokia is | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are responsible for legal warranty | 16:33 |
| ShadowJK | Last week an operator called me and tried to *sell* me Nokia E7 (Symbian Belle) | 16:33 |
| freemangordon | well, it is here, you have a contract with mobile operator, not with Nokia ;) | 16:33 |
| Lava_Croft | nokia is responsible for the device here :| | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so as long as they got same device at stock, they can't give you a crappy hooker or anything | 16:34 |
| Lava_Croft | if i wanted to get a replacement device of the same type from my operator, i have to insure my n900 | 16:34 |
| Lava_Croft | and pay a small monthly fee | 16:34 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft, where do you live? | 16:34 |
| Lava_Croft | the 2y factory warrantly that nokia has to take care of is rock-solid by law though | 16:34 |
| Lava_Croft | which is why in the end they had to cough up an n900 for me | 16:34 |
| Lava_Croft | freemangordon: Netherlands | 16:34 |
| freemangordon | ok | 16:34 |
| Lava_Croft | i started at my phonestore | 16:34 |
| Lava_Croft | to get a new one | 16:34 |
| Lava_Croft | but they immediately send everything to nokia | 16:35 |
| Lava_Croft | in the end their knowledge of how to work Nokia Care was even less than my knowledge, and initially my knowledge was zero | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's their problem then | 16:35 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 16:35 |
| Lava_Croft | thats not how it works here, since i did not insure my n900:) | 16:35 |
| Lava_Croft | and the warranty is not the phonestore's problem, its Nokia's | 16:35 |
| Lava_Croft | it might be much easier if the warranty is taken care of by your store/operator | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | in EU you got 2 years of warranty, which is at shop, not manuf | 16:36 |
| freemangordon | Well, I think Netherlands is in EU | 16:36 |
| Lava_Croft | it is | 16:36 |
| freemangordon | :p | 16:36 |
| Lava_Croft | but for me as a customer, i only cared about a new n900 | 16:37 |
| Lava_Croft | and like i said, my shop was horrible in being able to get me a new one | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course shops tend to tell you to directly contact manuf, but legally they are responsible | 16:37 |
| Lava_Croft | in the end, my shop was one of two entities getting me a new n900 | 16:37 |
| Lava_Croft | the other one was nokia directly | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 16:38 |
| Lava_Croft | i did hold off the Nokia phonecall about the new (2nd) n900 for about a month | 16:38 |
| freemangordon | lucky you | 16:38 |
| Lava_Croft | but the Nokia Care guy kept on calling 2 times a day | 16:38 |
| Lava_Croft | he really, really wanted to get rid of that (in his eyes) shit n900 | 16:38 |
| Lava_Croft | sometimes i still feel a bit guilty :) | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, it's OK | 16:38 |
| Lava_Croft | somewhere, some poor guy did not get his n900 | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 16:38 |
| Lava_Croft | and is stuck using an awesome n8, like i was for several months | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | somewhere in Finland some trashbin eventually will see one less brand new N900 | 16:39 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah | 16:39 |
| Lava_Croft | thats what struck me the most | 16:39 |
| Lava_Croft | sending in my broken n900 to nokia only made them do one thing | 16:39 |
| Lava_Croft | look at the accompanying note and then dump the package right away | 16:40 |
| Lava_Croft | n900 was already EOL at the time | 16:40 |
| Lava_Croft | they just dump em:< | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:40 |
| Lava_Croft | i was so angry | 16:40 |
| Lava_Croft | im one of those lifelong nokia customers, this was really unheard of | 16:40 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, ping | 16:43 |
| amiconn | My N900 is my first nokia phone, and it looks like it will also be the last one | 16:53 |
| jonwil | My N900 is my first Nokia phone and I have had nothing bad to say about Nokia Care or the customer service people | 16:54 |
| jonwil | The only people I dont like at Nokia are the legal department and the upper management | 16:55 |
| jonwil | Then again, I doubt anyone in here likes the Nokia upper management for their "lets become a subsidiary of Microsoft but without all the legal and political hassle of actually being bought by Microsoft" decision | 16:56 |
| jonwil | If Nokia was to make a phone that is as nice as the N900 (both in terms of hardware and in terms of hackability and openness of the software) I would have no qualms buying one | 16:57 |
| Lava_Croft | dumb finns ruined themselves | 16:57 |
| jonwil | but I refuse to buy a phone (Windows Phone) where I have to pay money just to write software for the thing and run it on the real device | 16:58 |
| jonwil | Same reason I will not buy anything with a piece of fruit for a logo :) | 17:00 |
| Lava_Croft | i just need a gnu userland | 17:00 |
| jonwil | I too want my next phone to be a proper linux phone | 17:02 |
| jonwil | and not some half-baked derivitive (Android, WebOS) | 17:02 |
| Lava_Croft | its not about religion or anything for me, just ease of use | 17:03 |
| jonwil | but I fear that manufacturers are unwilling to produce a proper linux phone where you can just write proper linux apps out of the box | 17:03 |
| Lava_Croft | thats not fear, thats reality | 17:03 |
| Lava_Croft | :\ | 17:03 |
| jonwil | yeah | 17:03 |
| jonwil | Android is popular with carriers and OEMs because it can be locked down more than Linux can | 17:03 |
| jonwil | and because (for the most part) the license is fairly permissive so unlike the N900 which is full of GPL/LGPL packages, most Android phones have the kernel and little else thats GPL/LGPL | 17:05 |
| Lava_Croft | its just really annoying to have to download whatever crippled 'app' to do common stuff | 17:11 |
| Lava_Croft | no, not annoying, its just fucked up | 17:11 |
| jonwil | the #1 reason I like the n900 is that there is a nice repo full of cool software for it, all of it free (and much of it open source) | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | i like it because it runs just about all the same software that i am used to running | 17:13 |
| jonwil | There are some packages (games for one) that for various reasons aren't really suited to the N900 IMO :) | 17:17 |
| jonwil | OpenTTD for one (hard to play without a mouse and also not really suited to a phone because leaving it running long enough to let the simulation do what it needs to would drain the battery) | 17:19 |
| javispedro | it works ages better on the n900 than on the n950 | 17:22 |
| javispedro | fscking capacitive | 17:22 |
| jonwil | the battery life is still a killer though :P | 17:24 |
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| javispedro | nah, overrated | 17:24 |
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| javispedro | yes, it will not last more than 24h | 17:24 |
| javispedro | but it is also not going to empty itself in 3 which is what happens when you leave with screen on and full CPU :) | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also on andridiot I guess | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually battery life of iPhone as well as andoid is on par with N900 when those are doing same ballpark on duties like the N900 | 17:28 |
| * ShadowJK remembers playing openttd on a P3-733Mhz, and running out of cpu power | 17:28 | |
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| fw190 | hello | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | the point why everybody percieves those had way better battery standby tmes is just because the concept is really not what I'd like to have, regarding true multitasking and always-online | 17:29 |
| fw190 | is it possible to do this in CSSU http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1155925&postcount=19 | 17:29 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: on andridiot you cannot even let the simulation run when the screen is off | 17:31 |
| javispedro | because screen off = suspend | 17:31 |
| javispedro | some people think that is better. | 17:31 |
| javispedro | I utterly and completely disagree. | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | fw190: umm, hardly | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | does that mean if I have an android device with an IRC client, I disappear from irc whne screen is off? | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't see the benefit of ofono anyway | 17:31 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: suspend does not necessarily kill the connection, and it might e.g. setup an alarm to be periodically reawakened | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: exactly | 17:32 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: but all these are tricks the application should be implementing | 17:32 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: by default, it dies | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | Once you put ofono on it, essentially the entire phone and 3g functionality stops working and has to be written from scratch again? | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sure, at least that's what I understood about it. ofono is orthogonal to what er got right now | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/ er/ we/ | 17:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: ShadowJK: sure, at least that's what I understood about it. ofono is orthogonal to what we got right now | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yep, agree on all of above | 17:34 |
| jonwil | Too many pieces of closed source software would need to be rewritten for ofono to be usable | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | What about the browser, does it stop loading pages if I switch off screen and put it in my pocket | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | and to what aim? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: probably | 17:35 |
| jonwil | yeah I dont think replacing the cellular services daemon is necessary | 17:36 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: yes | 17:36 |
| javispedro | and the worst part? that is how wp7 works too | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp since ofono also seems dead now, much like fremantle or meego | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, how annoying. It's one of my biggest use cases during the week :) | 17:36 |
| javispedro | it has always been here | 17:37 |
| javispedro | on maemo/meego I usually launch 3 or 4 apps and start using the first one to load | 17:37 |
| javispedro | the only other platform I know where this is possible is webOS | 17:37 |
| jonwil | really the only issues are 1 or 2 bugs in it (like the bug I fixed with the binary patch in my cbsms widget) and 1 or 2 features that might be nice to have in theory | 17:38 |
| javispedro | and they're messing up already -- e.g. the browser seems not to start loading pages in the background unless you make it into the foreground at least once | 17:38 |
| ShadowJK | I have short intervals of free time throughout the working day. Usually I have like a news front page open, and open all the articles I'm interested in, in new windows. Then switch off screen and put n900 in pocket while the pages are loading | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 17:39 |
| Lava_Croft | i constantly open and close opera | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | obvious downside: any crappy flash or JS on a website can cut thru your battery in no time, even while device is on screen-off idle mode | 17:40 |
| fw190 | if offono is dead maemo is dead tizen is in foog then what is alive? :) | 17:40 |
| Lava_Croft | just dont use flash | 17:40 |
| ShadowJK | Nah, microb can pause javascript after a user defined timeout :P | 17:40 |
| * ShadowJK has it set to 60 seconds, seems most pages load far enough in that time | 17:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | fw190: CSSU is alive | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | and kicking | 17:41 |
| Lava_Croft | and updating soon? | 17:41 |
| * Lava_Croft chuckles | 17:41 | |
| * MohammadAG kicks Lava_Croft | 17:41 | |
| * Lava_Croft screeches | 17:41 | |
| fw190 | hahahaah this is one good news in my shity life - thaht you people still have time to work on it | 17:42 |
| * jonwil thinks there are bits of Maemo that would be nice to have replacements for and the cellular services daemon is one one of the things we should target | 17:42 | |
| jonwil | is not one | 17:42 |
| jonwil | I just wish I had the skills to tackle things like the closed hildon-input-method bits, wlan stuff (libicd-network-wlan etc), browser UI and systemui stuff :( | 17:45 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: pong | 19:33 |
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| SpacedOut | Pali: Thanks for packaging up a newer fennec not too long ago, the previous one didn't support IPv6, this one does. | 20:38 |
| Pali | SpacedOut, I created it because only mozilla deleted their last version from their mozilla repository | 20:39 |
| SpacedOut | Just the same the version I downloaded didn't work with IPv6 and this one did, thanks. | 20:40 |
| Pali | updating to other new version should be simple (change only debian/changelog and debian/rules to use other upstream tarball) | 20:40 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991, several packages shoult be ready for "devel" repo | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | *should | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | namely clutter, ke-recv and libhildonfm | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | on the other hand arcean's MR fir hildon-desktop is still not pushed | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG, merlin1991 ^^^ | 21:01 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: looking into the mr today | 21:01 |
| merlin1991 | what about libhildonfm? | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | see the commit | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | it is related to ke-recv fixes | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | without this sdcard partitions appear with icon for internal in filemanager | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | (excludin vfat partition) | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | Pali, filemanager freezes only when called through dbus call | 21:19 |
| Pali | freemangordon, filemanager is freezed or some hildon/osso/fm library? | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | seems to happen only when the device is not mounted reliably | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | NFC | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | but if you open it through dbus call with parameter to open newly mounted device it freezes, could be some timing issue | 21:21 |
| Pali | install dbg symbols and attach gdb to osso filemanager | 21:22 |
| freemangordon | Pali, the only device I can test is my second n900, not a comfortable way to debug :) | 21:22 |
| Pali | ok | 21:23 |
| freemangordon | anyway, it looks like hang in some system call, waiting forever for open or something | 21:23 |
| freemangordon | so it might be in libhildonfm as well, somewhere in the code trying to get device information | 21:24 |
| freemangordon | maybe some O_NONBLOCK should be added | 21:25 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ping | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | pong | 21:34 |
| merlin1991 | you still have to request membership of https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cssu | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, done | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, speaking of garage, todo list is still empty :) | 21:36 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: it's on my todo for today | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | :D | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | great | 21:36 |
| merlin1991 | I have to adaüt silly loadprofile export for some company project and after that I'm going to work on cssu stuff | 21:36 |
| merlin1991 | s/adaüt/adapt/ | 21:37 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: I have to adapt silly loadprofile export for some company project and after that I'm going to work on cssu stuff | 21:37 |
| merlin1991 | and hopefully still find some time afterwards to play a lil me3 :) | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | me3? | 21:37 |
| merlin1991 | mass effect 3 | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | which reminds me to check what the hell is going on with episode 3 | 21:38 |
| merlin1991 | what do you mean? | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | hl2 | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | half life 2 episode 3 was expected to be ready by the end of 2009 AFAIK :) | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | something lik duke nukem forever | 21:40 |
| merlin1991 | hehe valve | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 21:40 |
| merlin1991 | hopefully it doesn't end like the duke | 21:40 |
| merlin1991 | the result that finally came out was soooooo bad | 21:40 |
| merlin1991 | okay MohammadAG you're an admin now too | 21:42 |
| merlin1991 | btw we have DocScrutinizer as admin there in case we both get hit by a bus ;) | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 21:42 |
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| Sicelo | \o/ | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | what if god forbid all 3 of us got hit | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | or worse, what if it's the apocalypse, who'll maintain the project then? | 21:52 |
| Sicelo | God | 21:53 |
| Sicelo | :D | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | wfm | 21:53 |
| javispedro | god uses tizen | 22:00 |
| RST38h | Which god? | 22:00 |
| javispedro | not mine for obvious reasons | 22:01 |
| javispedro | the one over the next door, I dunno. | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, merlin1991 you noticed the mails of garage are pretty fsckdup regarding the URL which has a "." at end which doesn't belong there? | 23:00 |
| merlin1991 | it does not belong into the url | 23:00 |
| merlin1991 | but it belongs to the sentence :D | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 23:00 |
| merlin1991 | You can blablab here URL. | 23:01 |
| merlin1991 | Thunderbird does not include the . in the clickable url :) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/?group_id=2300. An error occured in the logger. ERROR: invalid input syntax for integer: "2300." | 23:01 |
| merlin1991 | hehe even my irc client doe not pick up that . :D | 23:02 |
| merlin1991 | though I bet there are valid cases for that . | 23:02 |
| merlin1991 | which would break then | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, a parameter after "?" might easily need a dot at end | 23:04 |
| merlin1991 | well url parsing within test tends to be quite odd | 23:04 |
| merlin1991 | s/test/text/ | 23:04 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: well url parsing within text tends to be quite odd | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | even things like URLBLABLA/?char=. are likely | 23:04 |
| merlin1991 | sure | 23:05 |
| merlin1991 | it's always a problem if you inline a artificial 'language' into common text | 23:06 |
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