| DocScrutinizer | npe | 00:00 |
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| freemangordon | he has an account on TMO, can't remember it though | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen Sc0rpius | 00:00 |
| infobot | sc0rpius is currently on #maemo (17h 12m 57s) #maemo-ssu (17h 12m 57s), last said: 'well /sbin should be in root's PATH'. | 00:00 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, needinfo and lets move on | 00:01 |
| merlin1991 | okay next up then bug #12092 | 00:01 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12092 Applications list rotates to portrait with forced rotation after installing an application | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I should ask Tim to implement a $when for "last said:" | 00:01 |
| * merlin1991 tries to reproduce | 00:02 | |
| * merlin1991 also shakes fist @ ham, speed up | 00:03 | |
| * DocScrutinizer tries to understand | 00:03 | |
| freemangordon | BTW why is HAM so slow? | 00:03 |
| merlin1991 | nfc | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not much slower than apt itself | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | it is | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | building that immense list of icons+description takes a while I guess | 00:04 |
| merlin1991 | hm can't reproduce the bug | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's redoing this every moment | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | CANT-DUPLICATE then | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | no, FIXED | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 00:05 |
| merlin1991 | I'd say worksforme | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | WFM | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | but don't ask me for the commit :) | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff, I have a hard time to understand the bug | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | no, FIXED, there was a lot of crap in h-d re orientations | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | ask arcean_ if don't trust me :D | 00:06 |
| merlin1991 | since we don't know the commit I'd call it a worksforme with a comment of should have been fix in h-d at some point | 00:07 |
| arcean_ | freemangordon, i have never heard about #12092 :D | 00:07 |
| merlin1991 | okay bug #12125 | 00:08 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12125 SPB Brain Evolution fails to start | 00:08 |
| freemangordon | I mean that algorithm in ...renderer... for decision whether to rotate or not had flaws in early portrait days. | 00:08 |
| arcean_ | haha | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | invalid wtf is even spb brainevolution?? | 00:08 |
| arcean_ | merlin1991, it's related to the first attempt to update Qt in testing | 00:08 |
| freemangordon | is that Qt? | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | so I guess I'll check if it works now and make it an worksforme | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: trust *YOU*??! you're kidding ;-P | 00:09 |
| freemangordon | :D | 00:09 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, there was several fixes in Qt for segfault on app start | 00:10 |
| merlin1991 | I'll check with the app in question | 00:10 |
| merlin1991 | next up bug #12141 | 00:10 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12141 CSSU Not enough space problem false positive | 00:10 |
| freemangordon | so if it is Qt, mark it as fixed | 00:10 |
| freemangordon | hmm, seems not Qt | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | my brain reached top of evolutionary state | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | so close as WTF? | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | Pali? | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | I think his latest HAM commits should fix that | 00:11 |
| merlin1991 | not here :/ | 00:11 |
| merlin1991 | okay will ask pali then | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | yeah, let me check on gitorious | 00:12 |
| merlin1991 | okay now bug #12145 | 00:13 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12145 Problem with HomeScreen Selector Widget 0.1-3 | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | please rename 12141, the title is complete BS | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | will do | 00:14 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-hildon-application-manager/commit/0c865a3434716e6ec3a739ae74a5660e86cbd20f | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | though, on second thought, HAMs error msg is BS | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | make that "HAM error says "not enough space..." - BS!! | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | noted down | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | whatabout 12145? | 00:15 |
| freemangordon | I love that function "annoy_user_with_arbitrary_details" | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | for me that sounds like an invalid, go pester the author | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: ham has quite some interesting names all over the code | 00:15 |
| arcean_ | yeah, invalid | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | just think of red pill mode :D | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 00:16 |
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| merlin1991 | was that a nod for invalid? | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's that 12145? | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nod for red-pill | 00:17 |
| merlin1991 | ah | 00:17 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, dont close it, better make it needinfo and ask the reporter if he can reproduce it with latest CSSU | 00:17 |
| merlin1991 | okay | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't even know what your "invalid" was meant for | 00:17 |
| merlin1991 | ofc bug #12145 | 00:18 |
| freemangordon | we can close it on next session if no feedback | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't get 12145 | 00:18 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, some widget locks hildon-home | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | so that's the fault of whom? | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | widgets are from hell, we all know | 00:19 |
| merlin1991 | indeed | 00:19 |
| merlin1991 | next up: bug #12149 | 00:19 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12149 Email widget shows "no unreaded items" | 00:19 |
| freemangordon | could be hildon-home, as the reporter says it cannot reproduce it with stock one | 00:19 |
| freemangordon | *he | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so just keep it open? | 00:21 |
| merlin1991 | that one I can check if it still valid and if yes try to reach Sc0rpius about it (might be fixed with the modest arm bs fix we have in place now) | 00:21 |
| freemangordon | yeah, leave it open | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, +1 for this on 12149 | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not even using modest ;-) | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, actually I do | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | but my modest widget got nuked some decades ago (apt-get autoremove ;-P) | 00:22 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | this a still lingering on annoyance of CSSU btw | 00:23 |
| merlin1991 | yeah | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I reinstalled my rtcom-SIP.-support or whatever it's called a week ago | 00:23 |
| freemangordon | hmm, WFM | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | the 94th time | 00:23 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: you should create an emtpy package that depends on rtcom.. and install it manually | 00:24 |
| merlin1991 | dirty fix :D | 00:24 |
| arcean_ | yeah, rtcom-sip is a serious problem | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 00:24 |
| merlin1991 | arcean_: actually it's autoremove / wtfremove without even calling autoremove | 00:24 |
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| merlin1991 | I tried to reproduce but didn't manage | 00:24 |
| arcean_ | merlin1991, I know :) | 00:24 |
| merlin1991 | okay bug #12153 | 00:25 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12153 typing contact names when on desktop too fast results in missing second character in contacts application | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | (rtcom-sip) we need an apt wizard for that, who can read thru the database or whatever, to analze the issue | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dunno any such person | 00:26 |
| merlin1991 | I know no apt wizzard either | 00:26 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, INVALID | 00:26 |
| freemangordon | don't type too fast | 00:26 |
| merlin1991 | about 12153 | 00:26 |
| merlin1991 | it's actually the button you press the momend the contacts app opens | 00:26 |
| merlin1991 | s/momend/moment/ | 00:27 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: it's actually the button you press the moment the contacts app opens | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: WONTFIX | 00:27 |
| merlin1991 | so yeah not invalid but wontfix | 00:27 |
| merlin1991 | is contacts closed? | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | race, we can to so much | 00:27 |
| merlin1991 | I think so | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, afaik | 00:27 |
| arcean_ | yes, closed | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | well we *could* fix that in H-* | 00:28 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | H-H, H-D | 00:28 |
| merlin1991 | next up bug #12170 | 00:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12170 Reading tree node uncollapses node's subtree | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | just delay the dbus msg | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait a second | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | hildon sends dbus with 1st char to contacts. contacts-dbus-proxy realizes contacts app not launched and does so. meanwhile hildon sends a second msg with 2nd char, this msg goes to dev/null | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nfc how to fix that | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, next | 00:31 |
| merlin1991 | wontfix and next | 00:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns | 00:31 | |
| merlin1991 | yep I think this one if reproduceable is one for Sc0rpius | 00:31 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, wait | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | all gibberish to me | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | context????? | 00:31 |
| merlin1991 | I meant the bug #12170 | 00:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer too | 00:32 | |
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| merlin1991 | o hai there | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | UGH modest again | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | Hai, bouncer down, again | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | Or... | 00:33 |
| merlin1991 | bouncer is still up afaik | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | OOOH it lives | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | Really? | 00:33 |
| merlin1991 | yep your bouncer is still alive | 00:33 |
| merlin1991 | [23:33:23] <merlin1991> test | 00:33 |
| merlin1991 | [23:33:23] * MohammadAG is away: "Auto away at Wed Feb 15 21:06:12 2012" | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | I cant connect to it | 00:33 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, I cannot reproduce 12170 here | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | Oh well | 00:33 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: worksforme then? | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-x for me | 00:34 |
| freemangordon | yep. At least as I understand the bug report | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>check mcenfioptionstreeview<< WUT??? | 00:34 |
| merlin1991 | okay will close with worksforme and a notice about repopen | 00:34 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: the bugreport is back form the time when tree view wasn't translated | 00:35 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | modest bugs should all get a "please recheck with recent release!" | 00:35 |
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| merlin1991 | okay bug #12183 | 00:36 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12183 CSSU Camera has messed up detection and settings | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-X !!! | 00:36 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: ?? | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU camera?! | 00:36 |
| merlin1991 | camera-ui :D | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I know | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you know my notion about the topic | 00:37 |
| merlin1991 | though the whole report is fsckd | 00:37 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, agree, but I am not a photographer | 00:38 |
| arcean_ | a lot's changed since then | 00:38 |
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| merlin1991 | so what do we do with the bug? | 00:38 |
| freemangordon | yep, maybe we should ask nikolai on the TMO thread | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | needinfo comment please recheck | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG__ | I agree about the first point in his report | 00:39 |
| arcean_ | yes, needinfo is a good idea | 00:39 |
| merlin1991 | needinfo it is then | 00:39 |
| merlin1991 | and I'll check about fcam and stock pr | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG__ | Nokia's camera-ui checked if another program was using the camera and wo | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG__ | Wouldnt pop up | 00:39 |
| merlin1991 | will contact nicolai about that | 00:40 |
| freemangordon | so it it is a valid bug then | 00:40 |
| freemangordon | at least for the first part | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG__ | Should be a separate report | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG__ | Id suggest opening that to keep track of it and ccing the guy | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG__ | Or asking him to open it | 00:41 |
| merlin1991 | I'll do that | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's only one valid ticket against that (and there actually is) "nicocam does not belong into CSSU" | 00:41 |
| freemangordon | agree, but better open it | 00:41 |
| freemangordon | afk for a while | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'll call it a day soon | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost 2h meeting, too long | 00:43 |
| merlin1991 | we're maybe 30% in | 00:43 |
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| merlin1991 | well bugtracker has had no love for a long time | 00:43 |
| arcean_ | for a year :P ? | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so we won't get all that done in one big strike | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | Since valentine's day, in 2011 | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | next meeting next week same time? | 00:44 |
| merlin1991 | yeah let's see how much more we can squeeze in | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | I wont be here | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | For sure | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | we're used to that ;-) | 00:44 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: do you want to quit now, or feel you've got another 30 mins? | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | Got an exam on 26/2, cosmic speeds a bitch | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer: I lurk around actually | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | another 10 min maybe | 00:44 |
| merlin1991 | okay then le's do 5 more bugs | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | then we won't get the date for next meeting done | 00:45 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | Actually | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | Set the date with the same time | 00:45 |
| merlin1991 | then it's late enough? | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | Its late so i shouldnt be studying | 00:45 |
| merlin1991 | arcean_: whatabout you next week? | 00:45 |
| arcean_ | merlin1991, no problem | 00:46 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG_: so you can show up? | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | Yes | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | which is the next? | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | bug? | 00:46 |
| merlin1991 | would be bug #12237 | 00:46 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12237 Default WiFi power-saving mode 'Maximum' is unreliable and performs poorly | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | yes | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | invalid, next | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | That should be invalid | 00:47 |
| merlin1991 | but freemangordon can you next week same day&time? | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | Did that count as 1/5? | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 00:47 |
| merlin1991 | 12237 should be invalid | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | Its valid only when we push full pr images | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | we already are done with it :-) | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | I have a feeling that's not going to happen | 00:48 |
| merlin1991 | next up bug #12245 | 00:48 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12245 graphical fault on status icone when loading applets or something else | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | 12237 is BS -> invalid | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | CND | 00:49 |
| merlin1991 | yep 12237 -> invalid | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG_ | Sounds like a defective cpu/gpu | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually ooopsie every now and then | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | not CSSU related | 00:50 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, time is ok, but I would prefer wednesday | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | Or corrupt memory, something a reboot would fix | 00:50 |
| freemangordon | SGXRecovery? | 00:50 |
| merlin1991 | yeah 12245 seems to be invalid | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | The only thing thats useful for is draining battery | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | Though it occasionally does what its supposed to do | 00:50 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG_, arcean_, DocScrutinizer wednesday ok too? | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't mind | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | fine here | 00:51 |
| arcean_ | ok | 00:51 |
| merlin1991 | okay wednesday then | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | No uni till 26/2 | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: update topic please! | 00:51 |
| merlin1991 | about to | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | Annmmo | 00:51 |
| freemangordon | so 23/2 21:00 UTC | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | Announce on malling list too | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | Or... Not | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | We have enough people i guess | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | your auto-correction on LSD or what? | 00:52 |
| merlin1991 | and whataobut 1 hour earlier? | 00:52 |
| arcean_ | hehe | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | Stab my iPad | 00:52 |
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| merlin1991 | Pali said 21 utc is 23 local for him | 00:52 |
| arcean_ | so let's made it 22 utc | 00:53 |
| freemangordon | For me too, so 1 hour earlier is ok | 00:53 |
| arcean_ | crap | 00:53 |
| arcean_ | 20 utc :D | 00:53 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG_: 20 utc instead of 21 utc? | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | Dont mind | 00:53 |
| merlin1991 | k | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine for me | 00:53 |
| merlin1991 | perfect | 00:53 |
| merlin1991 | will adjust the bugs and write mailinglist annoucnement | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | Auto correct should be fine now, yay | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | either fine or completely freaked out - the usual two states of mind after ingestion of LSD ;-P | 00:55 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Add apple into the equation and.... | 00:55 |
| *** merlin1991 changes topic to "Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1.2 | STABLE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261 \o/ | bugmeeting: 22.02.2012 2:00 UTC" | 00:56 | |
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| merlin1991 | 18 bugs squashed | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | yay | 00:56 |
| arcean_ | merlin1991, 2:00 utc is too early, isn't it? :) | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | ah shit | 00:57 |
| freemangordon | :D | 00:57 |
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| *** merlin1991 changes topic to "Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1.2 | STABLE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261 \o/ | bugmeeting: 22.02.2012 20:00 UTC" | 00:57 | |
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| freemangordon | do we finish? | 00:59 |
| freemangordon | *did | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:00 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: yep | 01:00 |
| merlin1991 | for today we're done | 01:00 |
| freemangordon | ok | 01:00 |
| merlin1991 | more next week :D | 01:00 |
| freemangordon | bb then | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-02-16 23:56:57] <merlin1991> 18 bugs squashed | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-02-16 23:56:58] <merlin1991> yay | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | nore like "we looked for them but they weren't there" XP | 01:00 |
| * merlin1991 writes mail to pali and andrew about next week | 01:01 | |
| MohammadAG_ | And SD69 I guess | 01:02 |
| arcean_ | it's time for me also, bb | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | and andre_ | 01:02 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG_: I'll announce it on the mailinglist | 01:03 |
| merlin1991 | but I actually meant andre_ not andrew | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, better that (though I never read that ML) | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | OTOH I'm never leaving IRC XP | 01:03 |
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| merlin1991 | btw doc can you pm me an email for the unthinkable case of you not being on irc :D | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | joerg at openmoko org, as always | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | pretty publicly known I guess | 01:04 |
| merlin1991 | I'm pretty sure you had an openmoko address | 01:05 |
| merlin1991 | but it wasn't in your whois | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: that'S recommended even by freenode | 01:05 |
| merlin1991 | s/I'm prettry sure/I was pretty sure/ | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | though, actually, I wouldn't mind if it's in whois or not, all the spiders of this world already got that addr | 01:06 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG_: still here? | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, #n9 exploded from 38 to 60 users since I last looked at that tab | 01:11 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 01:12 |
| merlin1991 | still full of bs though | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet | 01:12 |
| merlin1991 | btw any progress on doing anything hostmode like? | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | even #harmattan is full of BS ;-P | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I more or less gave up on it | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's outright too annoying | 01:13 |
| merlin1991 | did you ever end up with a spec sheet that gives enough info? | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm short on free time lately | 01:13 |
| merlin1991 | I think at least the aegis side is fixed with the openmode kernel | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I provided POC for VBUSboost | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the musb-hdrc + PHY should be so pretty much standard that a beaglebiard port should work outa the box | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I don't feel like setting up a build environment for HARM kernel | 01:15 |
| merlin1991 | I think that would be the easiest part | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe for you, yes | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | for me it's a question of motivation | 01:17 |
| merlin1991 | for me defenitely | 01:17 |
| merlin1991 | I can do the build env part, but not the other stuff xD | 01:17 |
| merlin1991 | thought "stuff" is offensively wrong used here | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | N9 sucks, HARM sucks, HARM devels tend to suck, and for sure as hell OVI sucks, so a H-E-N9 never will see wide deployment | 01:18 |
| merlin1991 | it's more like I an do the build env part, but not the real work | 01:18 |
| merlin1991 | dunno the HARM devels in vienna seemed to be nice chaps so far :D | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, they are all nice chaps, but they deny the obvious bad-ness of HARM "ecosystem" | 01:19 |
| merlin1991 | there is none | 01:20 |
| merlin1991 | simple as that :D | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | starting at bleeding out of fremantle development and support (see javispedro, mohammad, et al) to aegis BS, to the prenatal funeral of the whole linux idea in HARM | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I used exosystem term in a broader sense | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | eco* though exo feels quite right | 01:22 |
| merlin1991 | I just like the n9 how it feels in day to day use for me | 01:23 |
| merlin1991 | but I still also carry a n900 for all the not so app / phone centered tasks | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | for a *phone* it's pretty nice for sure | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for a NIT it's plain crap | 01:24 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG ping | 01:25 |
| merlin1991 | okay I'm off or my doc is going to kill me, I'm actually on sick leave and should be in bed :D | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | merlin1991: Pong | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: tztztz, same here | 02:00 |
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| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer & merlin1991 both ill? harmattanophobia | 08:18 |
| Sicelo | :P | 08:18 |
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| merlin1991 | somebody got the email from freemangordon? | 14:15 |
| merlin1991 | Sicelo: quite possibly ;) | 14:15 |
| Sicelo | :P | 14:18 |
| Lava_Croft | :P | 14:19 |
| Lava_Croft | harmattan is cute | 14:19 |
| * merlin1991 gets major brainfucked handling 3 n900s trying to reproduce bugs on stock, testing and stable | 14:23 | |
| Lava_Croft | Important news!!! | 14:24 |
| Lava_Croft | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17058508 | 14:24 |
| * Lava_Croft rolls his eyes in a most horrid fashion. | 14:24 | |
| * merlin1991 too | 14:24 | |
| Lava_Croft | my n900 is patent infringing now | 14:25 |
| Lava_Croft | even tho its slide to unlock thingy is completely and utterly retarded | 14:25 |
| Lava_Croft | and out of place | 14:25 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 14:25 |
| merlin1991 | guess why they started all that swype business | 14:25 |
| merlin1991 | "nono your honour it's totally different, you see you slide from the EDGE of the screen not somewhere ON the screen" | 14:26 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 14:26 |
| Lava_Croft | exclusively using the n900 for a while ruins the while swype system anyway | 14:27 |
| Lava_Croft | since with any device, i now automagically to rotate it to landscape | 14:27 |
| Lava_Croft | and swyping is odd in landscape | 14:27 |
| merlin1991 | somebody here who got ovi still enabled on his n900? | 14:27 |
| Lava_Croft | i can install shit from ovi | 14:28 |
| merlin1991 | need to hceck a bugreport against SPB Brain Evolution | 14:28 |
| Lava_Croft | require me to install it? | 14:28 |
| merlin1991 | just install it (should be free) and try if it launches from the application launcher | 14:28 |
| Lava_Croft | will do | 14:28 |
| scoobertron | I can help out if you need another data point | 14:28 |
| merlin1991 | that would be perfect | 14:28 |
| Lava_Croft | spb created that mediocre TV app | 14:28 |
| Lava_Croft | i rememeber that | 14:28 |
| merlin1991 | btw I'm trying to see if bug #12125 is still valid | 14:29 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12125 SPB Brain Evolution fails to start | 14:29 |
| Lava_Croft | well, it will take some time to install | 14:29 |
| Lava_Croft | :P | 14:29 |
| Lava_Croft | ovi isnt exactly fast | 14:29 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | its great to talk about Ovi with apple fanboys | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | since its one of the few things you can just completely agree with them on | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | need another data point? | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | could ask someone else to check it, if he cares | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | no non-cssu ones tho | 14:31 |
| merlin1991 | nah just need it on cssu | 14:31 |
| merlin1991 | and 2 datapoints should be enough | 14:32 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: ping | 14:32 |
| Pali | merlin1991, pong | 14:32 |
| merlin1991 | when looking at ham, did you ever happen to find the code that decides if there is enough free space? | 14:32 |
| Pali | [00:03] freemangordon: BTW why is HAM so slow? --> I found reason: Function in apt-worker which get list of all packages is too SLOW. And this function is called every time when HAM started, when HAM doing update, after installing/uninstalling/updating package. If somebody can optimalize this function HAM will work faster. | 14:32 |
| Lava_Croft | Pali: i think MAG knew this | 14:33 |
| Pali | about free space: I will try to find it | 14:33 |
| Lava_Croft | but not sure | 14:33 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: bug in question is bug #12141 | 14:33 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12141 CSSU Not enough space problem false positive | 14:33 |
| Lava_Croft | at least he told me something related to HAM being slow once, when i asked about HAM vs FAPMAN | 14:33 |
| merlin1991 | Lava_Croft: it's obvious that ham is uberfuckingslow :D | 14:33 |
| Pali | HAM slow only because that package list function | 14:33 |
| Lava_Croft | yes, but the reason is why | 14:34 |
| Pali | it is very very slow | 14:34 |
| Lava_Croft | yes | 14:34 |
| Pali | there is for loop over all known packages | 14:34 |
| Lava_Croft | YES got the install thingy | 14:34 |
| Lava_Croft | 3.9mb, damn | 14:34 |
| Pali | and apt-worker check for each package if is installed, if is in user section, if ... | 14:34 |
| Pali | and it check for ALL packages | 14:35 |
| Pali | so if you enable extras-devel, it check for all extras-devel packages too | 14:35 |
| Pali | merlin1991, I cannot do anything now because my internet not working (why IRC working - no idea) | 14:36 |
| Pali | HTTP - connect socket timeout | 14:36 |
| Pali | so I cannot open bugzilla now | 14:37 |
| merlin1991 | just write it onto your todo list | 14:37 |
| Lava_Croft | merlin1991: bug unconfirmed | 14:37 |
| Lava_Croft | game runs fine here | 14:37 |
| Lava_Croft | latest cssu | 14:37 |
| merlin1991 | okay | 14:37 |
| merlin1991 | scoobertron: did you try too? | 14:37 |
| scoobertron | seems to be slow installing, give me a minute | 14:38 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, its slooooow | 14:38 |
| Lava_Croft | want me to check on a fresh n900 | 14:38 |
| Lava_Croft | with just cssu installed | 14:39 |
| Lava_Croft | nearly no other apps | 14:39 |
| merlin1991 | nah | 14:39 |
| Lava_Croft | good, i want to use the 2nd n900 as little as possible | 14:39 |
| merlin1991 | it's most probably related to the broken qt we had at some point | 14:39 |
| Pali | merlin1991, I have cloned HAM code, I will look for free space function | 14:39 |
| merlin1991 | so if scoobertron can confirm it works too, then this is a worksforme :) | 14:40 |
| Lava_Croft | Pali: going to fix the speed 'problem' too? | 14:40 |
| Pali | Lava_Croft, no idea how to fix it | 14:40 |
| Lava_Croft | aw | 14:40 |
| Pali | I already looked at apt-cache search code | 14:40 |
| scoobertron | starts fine. | 14:40 |
| scoobertron | I feel my mental knowledge increasing already. | 14:40 |
| Pali | and apt-cache has similar code for searching packages | 14:40 |
| Lava_Croft | scoobertron: yeah it looks like a class A game! (not) | 14:41 |
| Lava_Croft | thankgod removing it is far easier | 14:41 |
| Lava_Croft | and way faster | 14:41 |
| merlin1991 | thanks scoobertron | 14:46 |
| Pali | In HAM code is this for checking if there is enought free space in /home: | 14:47 |
| Pali | if ((home_total_space * 8) / 100 > home_free_space) log_stderr ("You don't have enough free space in /home"); | 14:47 |
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| Pali | I have no idea why these constants: 8, 100... | 14:48 |
| merlin1991 | so it is simply a silly constant | 14:48 |
| Pali | this line is reason of that bug | 14:49 |
| merlin1991 | hm I wonder if we can "fix" that | 14:50 |
| Pali | why we need 8% free space in /home for installing apps?? | 14:50 |
| merlin1991 | I don't know | 14:50 |
| Pali | If we resize /home then we need more % free space for instaling apps | 14:50 |
| Pali | this is bad | 14:50 |
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| Pali | I think that it should be: if ( home_free_space < MIN ) report_error(); | 14:52 |
| Pali | and MIN should be about 10MB | 14:53 |
| merlin1991 | though how would you decide on min? | 14:53 |
| Pali | what do you think? | 14:53 |
| Pali | min space in /home (where is opt) | 14:53 |
| merlin1991 | bug #12153 is evil, it indeed works on stock pr, but nfc how we fsckd that | 14:54 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12153 typing contact names when on desktop too fast results in missing second character in contacts application | 14:54 |
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| Pali | merlin1991, what is default size of /home (total space)? | 15:02 |
| merlin1991 | lemme see | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | /dev/mmcblk0p2 2064208 316936 1642416 16% /home | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on | 15:04 |
| Pali | so 2GB | 15:04 |
| Pali | (2GB * 8)/100 is ~ 163MB | 15:05 |
| Pali | so you need 163MB free space at /home to install CSSU metapackage | 15:05 |
| Pali | what do you think is 10 or 20 MB free space at /home enought? | 15:06 |
| merlin1991 | how big is QT? | 15:11 |
| Pali | or what about check if required size for installing package is available at /home? | 15:14 |
| merlin1991 | well we need about double the size | 15:14 |
| merlin1991 | the .debs go into /opt/whatever | 15:14 |
| merlin1991 | and most package content should go into /opt too | 15:14 |
| Pali | now HAM checking this: if (size > free rootfs size) error(); if ( 8% of total home > free home) error(); | 15:15 |
| merlin1991 | that is just fucked up | 15:16 |
| merlin1991 | should be if (size*2 > free home) error(); if (free rootfs < some sane value) error(); | 15:17 |
| Pali | and this is checked before downloading package and also before installing | 15:17 |
| Pali | why size*2 ? | 15:17 |
| merlin1991 | before download | 15:18 |
| merlin1991 | because the package goes into /opt | 15:18 |
| merlin1991 | and the pacakge content also goes most probably into /opt | 15:18 |
| merlin1991 | and it is packed so probably the package content is bigger than the package itself | 15:19 |
| merlin1991 | (all valid if size is size of the .deb, if size is another value like unpacked size of .deb the whole story is different) | 15:19 |
| Pali | I do not know what is size now :-) | 15:20 |
| Pali | I see that in HAM is more check function :D | 15:20 |
| Pali | it is not easy | 15:21 |
| merlin1991 | I just got an sms | 15:21 |
| merlin1991 | I wasnt sure which of the 5 phones on my desk to pick up :D | 15:21 |
| Pali | ok, that check (which I wrote here) is in apt-worker code and is only for checking if there is enoght size for downloading one package | 15:23 |
| Pali | so bug 12141 is caused by this 8% free space | 15:24 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12141 CSSU Not enough space problem false positive | 15:24 |
| Pali | Ok, now I understood that stupid apt-worker check function (is_there_enough_free_space) | 15:27 |
| Pali | it is called with 2 params: download dir and required download size | 15:28 |
| Pali | and it check if there is enought space for downloaing package | 15:28 |
| Pali | first it check if download size is less then free space in download dir | 15:29 |
| Pali | second it check if in /home is more then 8% free space | 15:29 |
| Pali | so I think second check is not needed | 15:30 |
| merlin1991 | if it's only used to check for downloads | 15:32 |
| Pali | Now I found that this check fixing bug NB#162465 | 15:32 |
| Pali | and NB#162465 | 15:32 |
| Pali | does somebody have access to nokia bugzilla? | 15:33 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 15:33 |
| Pali | I'd like to know why is this code needed | 15:33 |
| Pali | andre__? | 15:33 |
| merlin1991 | he isn't part of nokia anymore | 15:34 |
| merlin1991 | I guess he had access, but probably got it revoked by now | 15:35 |
| andre__ | Pali, "Check that /home has at least 5% of free space before installing anything." | 15:35 |
| Pali | andree__, but why? | 15:35 |
| merlin1991 | andre__: so you still can check the NB? | 15:35 |
| andre__ | Pali, HAM needs to check for available free space in the /home partition and refuse to proceed with SSU in case space available is less than 5% of overall partition size (this is the reservation limit we set for the partition) | 15:36 |
| andre__ | Note that a later patch increased this to 8% | 15:36 |
| Pali | yes, I found that in HAM git | 15:37 |
| merlin1991 | sounds like an odd decision | 15:37 |
| andre__ | why? | 15:37 |
| Pali | but this code is in function which checking if there is enoght space for downloaing DEB | 15:37 |
| Pali | and it also check if download deb size is enought for downloading to download dir | 15:38 |
| merlin1991 | andre__: because a % reservation limit on a partition is bs | 15:40 |
| andre__ | I'm afraid I cannot provide any further info, sorry :-/ | 15:40 |
| merlin1991 | it leads to problems just like the one on the bugtracker where the partition got resized and therefore 8% end up to be something quite different | 15:41 |
| andre__ | (as there's nothing else to provide, not because I try to keep something secret) | 15:41 |
| merlin1991 | I guess we should simply clean that check up | 15:41 |
| Pali | merlin1991, delete that 8% check? | 15:50 |
| merlin1991 | I guess so | 15:51 |
| * merlin1991 finished going over all the bugs we decided on yesterday | 15:56 | |
| merlin1991 | great fun :/ | 15:56 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: ping | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: hm? | 16:54 |
| merlin1991 | could you pastebin me the output of mount & sdisk -l on your n9? | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | err nope | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | n9??? | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I threw the N9 out the window | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | (actually some poor victim is doing usability field tests with it) | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (8%) sounds rather odd | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know of a usually 5% reservation for root, but only on rootfs | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I fail to see sound rationale to reserve 8% free space of a $HOME of arbitrary size | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | or rather, require 8% free prior to installation of random stuff like e.g. cat | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | which for all I know wouldn't need any space on /home after installation | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | also user might have resized /home to some 30GB, so where's the rationale in requiring 8% if that for installing anything smaller than libboost? | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/if that/of that/ | 17:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: also user might have resized /home to some 30GB, so where's the rationale in requiring 8% of that for installing anything smaller than libboost? | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | libboost-SOURCES | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | or scratchbox | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure apt/HAM will temporarily need free space of same size as the database files it rewrites, assuming this isn't done by modifying the original file but rather writing to a new filehandle that eventually replaces original inode, on which time the original sectors get freed on disk | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, actually either than or when last filehandle to the original file gets closed, whatever the later of both | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | then* | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess download might have similar schemes, using some temp files or whatever | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | but all that for sure is not related to actual total size of /home, so a calculation like fs-size*8/100 is nonsensical | 17:21 |
| merlin1991 | just what I said :D | 17:22 |
| merlin1991 | so whatabout the n9, getting it back anytime soon? | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | why N9? | 17:22 |
| merlin1991 | because I have arealyl odd sitution | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds toxic | 17:23 |
| merlin1991 | /dev/mmcblk0p2 288512 419583 131072 4194304 0 Empty | 17:23 |
| merlin1991 | and I wonder wtf is up with that | 17:24 |
| merlin1991 | Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | arealylhemichloride | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, and N950 wuldn't help? | 17:26 |
| merlin1991 | dunno | 17:26 |
| merlin1991 | I don't know how simliar it really is | 17:26 |
| merlin1991 | though it for sure doesn't hurt | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sdisk?? | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | mount & sdisk -l is no proper cmdline | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | no sdisk at all here | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p1 16 288511 288496 9231872 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p2 288512 419583 131072 4194304 83 Linux | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p3 419584 485119 65536 2097152 83 Linux | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty | 17:30 |
| merlin1991 | come on you're supposed to first go mount | 17:31 |
| merlin1991 | then whatever disk util you have | 17:31 |
| merlin1991 | now where's that mmcblk0p2 mounted? | 17:31 |
| merlin1991 | /dev/mmcblk0p1 16 288511 288496 9231872 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | /dev/mmcblk0p2 288512 419583 131072 4194304 0 Empty | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | /dev/mmcblk0p3 419584 485119 65536 2097152 83 Linux | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | /dev/mmcblk0p4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | that "Empty" line scares me | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | and I'd like to know what it should be and where :D | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | nowhere | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | any idea what fs is on it? | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously 83/Linux | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 17:35 |
| merlin1991 | could be anything from ext2 to butterfs ;) | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been a cmd to check, alas I forgot the name | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | chkblk? | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | blkinfo? | 17:36 |
| merlin1991 | blkinfo sounds like it | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 17:36 |
| merlin1991 | blkid was it on n900 | 17:37 |
| merlin1991 | not present on the n9 | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/156667/ | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | initrd? | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe a aux system for flashing? | 17:43 |
| merlin1991 | tbh I don't want to know :P | 17:44 |
| merlin1991 | I just hope my n9 keeps running without it | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I mounted my rootfs on /mnt | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, seems sane, MyDocs / /home | 17:50 |
| merlin1991 | wtf, where do I have my / then? | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | mmcblk0p2 is rootfs | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, my smart check should've finished | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 32465 - | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: /dev/root on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,barrier=1,stripe=8,data=ordered) | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | now don't ask me where from they got /dev/root ;-P | 17:59 |
| merlin1991 | yea | 18:17 |
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