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| freemangordon | bug 12085 | 00:45 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12085 Can't edit Applications list in portrait | 00:45 |
| freemangordon | bug 11974 | 00:45 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11974 Holding down left on right on the home screen leads to a black screen | 00:45 |
| freemangordon | bug 12445 | 00:45 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12445 hildon-status-menu displays only 2 icons in portrait | 00:45 |
| freemangordon | WOW arcean, you are the man :D | 00:45 |
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| merlin_1991 | sadly he's not here atm, so I can't ask him where the mgs are :D | 00:50 |
| merlin_1991 | but yeah arcean is awesome :D | 00:50 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer ping | 12:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: pong | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for a minute | 13:40 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, seems both erratas(430973 and related 687067) concerning thumb are fixable. While it seems at first sight they are mutually exclusive, AIUI they are not. I can provide more details if you wish. | 14:17 |
| Raimu | Well. | 14:34 |
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| freemangordon | Pali, ping | 14:37 |
| Pali | pong freemangordon | 14:39 |
| freemangordon | http://gitorious.org/u-boot-omap3/mainline/blobs/f772acf8a584067033eff1e231fcd1fb3a00d3d9/cpu/arm_cortexa8/omap3/board.c#line98 | 14:39 |
| freemangordon | seems u-boot is executed in secupre privileged mode after all | 14:39 |
| freemangordon | *secure | 14:39 |
| Pali | sorry, but I do not understand what that code doing... and also I do not know nothing about that errate | 14:40 |
| freemangordon | forget about errata | 14:40 |
| Pali | rx51 u-boot patches on top of u-boot master has two problems: 1. battery draining continue after booting kernel; 2. bad support for display backlight | 14:42 |
| freemangordon | and this code puts the device in nonsecure mode , some registers are no longer accesible outside ROM | 14:43 |
| freemangordon | and noone is able to fix that? | 14:44 |
| Pali | if you want playing with u-boot, here are last patches: https://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot (branch pali) | 14:44 |
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| freemangordon | TBH I was hoping we have working u-boot, as the workaround for errata 687067 must be done in bootloader | 14:46 |
| freemangordon | are you the only one playing with u-boot? | 14:46 |
| freemangordon | anyone helping you? | 14:47 |
| Pali | I used patches from ali and jama | 14:48 |
| Pali | but now they did not responce on my mails | 14:48 |
| freemangordon | and they are no longer contributing? | 14:48 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 14:48 |
| Pali | no | 14:48 |
| Pali | there were some other people from TMO who wrote some patches | 14:49 |
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| Pali | big problem is to find out why u-boot (and after booting kernel too) draining battery | 14:49 |
| freemangordon | well, I think it will be more than I can take if I join u-boot development too. Damn, seems Maemo lacks kernel developers. | 14:50 |
| freemangordon | On the other hand I can try to find battery drain bug. | 14:50 |
| BCMM | has anyone else had a problem where camera-ui reports that there is no space for new photos and videos when this is not the case? | 14:51 |
| Pali | if this problem will be solved, I can send patch series to u-boot mailinglist for upstreaming rx51 support | 14:51 |
| Pali | note that this u-boot is loaded from NOLO (it does not replace NOLO) | 14:51 |
| freemangordon | BCMM: nicolai pushed some fix these days, could be ralated. Is there bug id for your problem? | 14:52 |
| freemangordon | Pali, what is the problem with that | 14:52 |
| freemangordon | ? | 14:52 |
| Pali | problem with booting from NOLO? | 14:53 |
| Pali | that u-boot does not replace nolo :D | 14:53 |
| freemangordon | So what? | 14:53 |
| freemangordon | Do we need NOLO replacement? | 14:53 |
| Pali | long boot time | 14:54 |
| Pali | x-loader --> nolo --> u-boot --> kernel | 14:54 |
| freemangordon | well, don't reboot too often then :p | 14:54 |
| Pali | but also this is good solution for multiboot | 14:54 |
| freemangordon | I am wondering is it a good idea to join #meego-arm again and to try to have some useful conversation with the guys there re thumb erratas. They seem convinced that it is a no go. | 14:57 |
| freemangordon | While what I read in docs convinced me that everything is ok, we just miss a 0 in one register. It could already be there (the zero) | 14:59 |
| BCMM | freemangordon: i don't know, tbh | 15:08 |
| * Sicelo must get familiar with bug submission :/ | 15:11 | |
| BCMM | freemangordon: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12516 i think this is it | 15:20 |
| povbot | Bug 12516: Error Message camera-ui: "Not enough memory to save photo" | 15:20 |
| BCMM | i would add that there is a zero in the corner of the screen where it indicates shots remaining | 15:20 |
| jonwil | I dont need a tower, what I REALLY want for Xmas is source code for connui*, icd* and hildon-input-method-* | 15:25 |
| jonwil | That and an apartment that doesnt | 15:27 |
| jonwil | doesn't fell like an oven when the temprature goes up | 15:27 |
| jonwil | hmmm wrong wrindow :P | 15:27 |
| Pali | jonwil, did you try to ask nokia for source code? | 15:31 |
| jonwil | Given that pretty much every bug in this list https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=Licensing+Change+Requests&content= has been ignored or marked "wontfix", I doubt its worth asking for anything more | 15:34 |
| jonwil | certainly not the bits I want, none of which are in any way anything other than 100% Nokia Proprietary... | 15:36 |
| Pali | I asked for certman applet - and I got it... | 15:36 |
| Pali | why not try it? | 15:37 |
| Pali | ignore bugracker and send mail to nokia opensource | 15:37 |
| jonwil | maemo-security-certman-applet was different because it has a GPL license attached to it | 15:40 |
| jonwil | plus if what was said in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12388#c3 is true, I suspect those guys have been told not to go publishing random code anymore without checking with the developers of that code | 15:41 |
| povbot | Bug 12388: Missing source code of certificate control panel applet | 15:41 |
| Pali | see: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10125#c3 some of source code has proper LGPL license too | 15:42 |
| povbot | Bug 10125: hildon-status-bar-usb license change | 15:42 |
| Pali | jonwil: try to ask! | 15:42 |
| jonwil | If you think you can get source for connui-cellular, feel free to try. But I dont see it working myself | 15:43 |
| Pali | try hildon-input-method | 15:45 |
| Pali | (it is on your list too) | 15:45 |
| jonwil | dont think I could get that either | 15:45 |
| jonwil | I doubt any of the stuff I want is likely to be opened by Nokia :( | 15:46 |
| Pali | instead writing here on IRC, you could send more "good looking" emails | 15:46 |
| jonwil | plus, I suck at writing good emails | 15:46 |
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| jonwil | I would probably not say the right things to get Nokia to consider opening this stuff | 15:47 |
| Pali | again, you can try it! | 15:47 |
| jonwil | like I said, I would probably say the wrong things, someone who knows the right things to say would need to try it :P | 15:48 |
| Pali | do not listen to joda :-) | 15:49 |
| Raimu | Well, maybe you could write up a draft and ask around if it needs something else? | 15:55 |
| jonwil | other thing is, if I send emails and by some miracle things DO happen, I will be going on holidays and may not have good email access so the discussion would stop and I wouldn't be able to continue | 15:56 |
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| jonwil | All of the bits I need all have very clear " | 16:01 |
| jonwil | clear "copyright Nokia, all rights reserved" labels | 16:02 |
| jonwil | so its not like maemo-security-certman-applet where there is a version with OSS labels that someone might spot and send | 16:02 |
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| jonwil | so yeah if I thought asking Nokia would help get the source code to more of the interesting/useful bits of the N900, I might be inclined to put the effort in | 16:25 |
| jonwil | But I dont see it being work it given its likely to lead nowhere | 16:25 |
| * jonwil doubts he will ever have source code for icd2, libicd-network-wlan, hildon-input-method-widgets, hildon-input-method-plugins, libimlayouts, connui-cellular or connui-common :( | 16:31 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<freemangordon> TBH I was hoping we have working u-boot, as the workaround for errata 687067 must be done in bootloader) define bootloader | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | u-boot | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | while running in secure privileged mode | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Not even NOLO is running in secure privileged mode on N900 | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | u-boot is AIUI | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | so u-bot that is chainloaded never could | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | look here http://gitorious.org/u-boot-omap3/mainline/blobs/f772acf8a584067033eff1e231fcd1fb3a00d3d9/cpu/arm_cortexa8/omap3/board.c#line98 | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | what will THAT tel me? is this any specific to NOLO or N900? | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | it is | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | the secure mode is leaved in uboot, i.e. NOLO does not set up nonsecure mode AIUI | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | or x-loader | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | xloader does | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | or it's thoroughly fsckdup | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | why are you sure? | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | because the absolute 1st commandment is you either have to check signature of code you start as part of the bootloader chain, or alternatively you MUST switch off secure mode. Otherwise the whole security thing is borked for all times | 20:28 |
| freemangordon | BTW I am still not convinced we need fix for that errata. It is triggered only is one of the system debug registers !=0. It is not very clear from the description what is the value on power-on | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | xloader does NOT check signature of NOLO, as there isn't any. So if Nokia didn't code mega BS, they ought have made xloader kill secure mode | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, "secure" and "priviledged" mode does not mean what you mean AIUI | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | check ~aegis | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | It is a HW signal coprocessor to CortexA8 | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask stskeeps, he definitely knows the correct answer, while I again only seem to recall to have heard it | 20:31 |
| freemangordon | And you can anter secure mode by using ROM call | 20:31 |
| freemangordon | *enter | 20:31 |
| freemangordon | well, not actually enter, but can access "secured" registers by using ROM call | 20:31 |
| freemangordon | "The processor supports a primary input pin, CP15SDISABLE, to disable write access to the CP15 registers." | 20:33 |
| freemangordon | BTW my /var/lib/dsme/stats is till empty ;) | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | *still | 20:34 |
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| Sicelo | ~seen merlin1991 | 22:20 |
| merlin1991 | pong | 22:21 |
| Sicelo | heh :) | 22:21 |
| Sicelo | i see cssu stable uptaded pdf reader, etc.. | 22:21 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 22:22 |
| merlin1991 | everything on here http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable is included | 22:22 |
| merlin1991 | Sicelo: what is your question though? :D | 22:24 |
| Sicelo | still trying to send screenshot across.. anyway.. | 22:25 |
| merlin1991 | trying to send screenshot across? | 22:26 |
| Sicelo | with a pdf open, it u tap title bar, whether on landscape or portrait, the text is 'cluttered' | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | probably a bug in testing too? | 22:27 |
| Sicelo | u see it? | 22:27 |
| merlin1991 | does not look cluttered for me | 22:27 |
| merlin1991 | I need to see screenshot | 22:27 |
| Sicelo | a moment.. | 22:27 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: got some time later on tonight? | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, depends when later on is | 22:28 |
| merlin1991 | 1 or 2 hrs | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | 1 maybe, 2, not so much | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | I have uni in 10 hours | 22:30 |
| merlin1991 | well then tomorrow :D | 22:30 |
| Sicelo | merlin1991: http://members.bombshellz.net/~sicelo/screenshot01.png http://members.bombshellz.net/~sicelo/ | 22:37 |
| Sicelo | http://members.bombshellz.net/~sicelo/Screenshot-20111204-194531.png | 22:37 |
| merlin1991 | you mean the spacing between the buttons is too big? | 22:39 |
| Sicelo | no. see the dialog.. menu, checkbox, single page, continuous. u got screenshots? | 22:40 |
| merlin1991 | I see nothing wrong on the screenshots | 22:41 |
| merlin1991 | there's 4 buttons | 22:41 |
| Sicelo | yes, fourth button looks weird | 22:41 |
| merlin1991 | it has no translation | 22:41 |
| merlin1991 | that's why | 22:41 |
| merlin1991 | there is a bug against it | 22:41 |
| merlin1991 | I'll add the gitorious repo for pdf translations soon so we can start tackeling that one | 22:42 |
| Sicelo | u mean this: pdfvmemenusinglepagecontinuous? | 22:42 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 22:47 |
| merlin1991 | there is not translation for that string ye | 22:47 |
| merlin1991 | so you get the untranslated dev string | 22:47 |
| Sicelo | ok. | 22:47 |
| Sicelo | didn't expect that to be an issue though, as i'm using english. no other language. anyway.. | 22:48 |
| * Sicelo doesn't know much about these things :) | 22:48 | |
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