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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ping | 11:12 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, pong | 12:57 |
| merlin1991 | Epoch is imo a bad ide | 12:59 |
| merlin1991 | also pdf-viewer is out of sync on gitorious | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, synced | 13:02 |
| merlin1991 | Thanks | 13:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I second that notion about changing epoch | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | of merlin1991 | 13:53 |
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| Macer | better? :) | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:22 |
| Macer | sorry about that. didn't know that the portrait was stored if you reorganize | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: see backscroll of <now>-~10min in #armattan, for Stable issue regarding desktop rotation | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | we need to help users out of the confusion Macer encountered | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | in Stable | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | What we need is proper configuration/integration | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | for example | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | the first time a user rotates their desktop | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | Pop a dialog or notice | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and there *aought* be an option to set gconftool-2 --set /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool false|true via settings | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | "Your device now supports portrait desktops! Please reorganize your applets for the new orientations" | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ack, that too | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | "Are you grumpy and hate new features like this one? Turn it off" in small text under that | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 15:25 |
| Macer | lmao | 15:26 |
| Macer | yeah.. the popup would have helped | 15:26 |
| Macer | it was driving me kind of nuts | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | me too | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | also, the first time an app like contacts rotates | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and when I ran into it, there was no way to avoid all sorts of issues on apps/desktop force-rotated | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | "Some applications now support portrait, would you like to edit your rotation whitelist to enable more apps?" | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | YES!!!! | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | if yes, show a list of applications installed (from .desktop files) | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | With multiselect | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | simple | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | selected apps support portrait, non selected, landscape | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | or have a triple check option | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | Option 1: Portrait | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | Option 2: Landscape only | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | Option 3: DON'T FUCK WITH NOKIA'S SHIT | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | i.e behave like stock | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes! | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think we *need* that for stable | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | showing the list = easy | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | showing selection = easy | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | writing to transitions.ini, wall for me | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | err why? | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure how | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | Qt's built in QSettings fucks up # comments | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep :-((( | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | so we need to process and write the file manually without using QSettings | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | should be easily doable actually | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, using sed | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | load transitions.ini | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | Find line to be edited | 15:30 |
| jonwil | doesn't glib have APIs for this? | 15:30 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: ok... seriously... | 15:30 |
| Macer | niiice :) | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | process existing contents | 15:30 |
| Macer | lol | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | Edit, make a new line, replace the existing line, done | 15:30 |
| Macer | a portrait n900 | 15:30 |
| Macer | groundbreaking | 15:30 |
| Macer | lol | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | jonwil, no idea, I'm no glib/gtk expert | 15:30 |
| * jonwil wishes he could get further with on-screen-keyboard-stuff :'( | 15:32 | |
| MohammadAG | write a new one | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | it's fairly easy | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: actually that would be highly appreciated by all the portrait fanboys | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | problem is supporting existing layouts | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | but making a new one is fairly easy if you know gtk | 15:34 |
| jonwil | I cant see how a new one would plug into hildon-input-method | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | FastSMS did it | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | but it's Qt, so it's slow | 15:35 |
| jonwil | as for reading the existing layout files, there is code in ukeyboard that can deal with them | 15:37 |
| jonwil | or you could try to call libimlayout | 15:37 |
| jonwil | which I might be getting closer to figuring out | 15:37 |
| Macer | nice :) this is great | 15:38 |
| Macer | the only thing that kind of sucks about it.. is that all my backgrounds are meant for landscape :) | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | enable vertical scrolling | 15:38 |
| Macer | where? | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/vertical_scrolling afaik | 15:41 |
| Macer | conversations doesn't show the txt properly in portrait | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/scroll_vertical | 15:41 |
| Macer | :) | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | conversations doesn't support portrait unless you force it to | 15:42 |
| Macer | is there a way to force conversations to stay in landscape? | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | don't enable forced rotation | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | or add it to blacklist | 15:43 |
| Macer | where is the blacklist? | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | transitions.ini | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | read the wiki | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | afaik it's all there | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | if not, shoot merlin1991 | 15:43 |
| Macer | oh.. where's the wiki? | 15:43 |
| Macer | heh | 15:43 |
| Macer | oh nm | 15:43 |
| Macer | thanks.. i'll take a read | 15:44 |
| Macer | nice | 15:58 |
| Macer | tbh... the portrait desktop/home is good enough for me lol.. the rest of the stuff i can deal without | 15:59 |
| Macer | i mean don't get me wrong i guess having it would be good for quick use.. ie: quick txt/im reply | 16:00 |
| jonwil | Seems like the maemo keyboard layout format is documented | 16:01 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: stable issue regarding portrait desktop? | 16:02 |
| merlin1991 | I guess aeverything cluttered up on top? | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: see this chan backscroll | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | from >>[2011-11-07 14:23:34] <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: see backscroll of <now>-~10min in #armattan, for Stable issue regarding desktop rotation | 16:03 |
| merlin1991 | no chance you can sum it up for me? :D | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | to >>2011-11-07 14:29:11] <MohammadAG> writing to transitions.ini, wall for me | 16:04 |
| jonwil | anyone know the difference between "normal" and "thumb" when applied to the virtual keyboard? | 16:04 |
| Macer | maybe normal for a nxxx requires a stylus | 16:05 |
| Macer | and the thumb one was the full screen one with larger keys | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | sumup: [2011-11-07 14:25:20] <MohammadAG> "Your device now supports portrait desktops! Please reorganize your applets for the new orientations" [2011-11-07 14:25:44] <MohammadAG> "Are you grumpy and hate new features like this one? Turn it off" in small text under that [2011-11-07 14:26:30] <MohammadAG> also, the first time an app like contacts rotates [2011-11-07 14:26:54] <MohammadAG> "Some applications now support portrait, would | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | you like to edit your rotation whitelist to enable more apps?" [2011-11-07 14:27:06] <MohammadAG> if yes, show a list of applications installed (from .desktop files) [2011-11-07 14:27:26] <MohammadAG> selected apps support portrait, non selected, landscape [2011-11-07 14:27:32] <MohammadAG> or have a triple check option Option 1: Portrait Option 2: Landscape only Option 3: DON'T FUCK WITH NOKIA'S SHIT | 16:06 |
| Macer | uhm | 16:06 |
| Macer | don't fuck with nokia's shit hahaha | 16:07 |
| merlin1991 | well all that would mean tons of new code, --> has to go through testing | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | not meant to be mandatory fro very first Stable release | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | but highly desirable | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus gconftool-2 --set /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool false becoming default | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus an option to set it to true | 16:09 |
| Lava_Croft | without some sort of GUI tool to configure the blacklist/whitelist, rotation stays in the realm of hacks | 16:09 |
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| * amiconn would like *some* applications to autorotate, most others should stay landscape | 16:14 | |
| Lava_Croft | might need some new format for the blacklist/whitelist too | 16:14 |
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| Lava_Croft | it gets a bit tedious and busy in transitions.ini | 16:14 |
| merlin1991 | blacklist and whiltelist should move out into a dedicated config | 16:15 |
| Lava_Croft | yup | 16:15 |
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| merlin1991 | transistions.ini isn't the right place place | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | my suggestion since beginning | 16:15 |
| Lava_Croft | well, technically its related to transitions | 16:15 |
| Lava_Croft | so it makes sense when its concerning 3 or 5 applications | 16:16 |
| Lava_Croft | but when its like 25 to 50, its just ridiculous | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus you frequently try to avoid getting per-app configs crammed into one file, makes it impossible to uninstall properly | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see e.g. etc/sudoers.d/* | 16:17 |
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| Lava_Croft | aptitude is a bitch when it comes to package management anyway, i can take that:) | 16:17 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I'm all for an application/menu to configure those things, but for current stable all I can do is disable ui-rotation by default | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, agree | 16:19 |
| Lava_Croft | make another config panel applet | 16:19 |
| Lava_Croft | :P | 16:19 |
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| merlin1991 | actually at least for all the introduced g-conf keys we could write a plugin to control-panel | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that would be extremely useful for S | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are already apps to do some of that stuff, maybe just "fix" the best one and include it to CSSU core | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly I rather want to read "Why doesn't CSSU autorotate to portrait WTF?!!?!" which I can answer with RTFM, rather than the really understandable "<Macer> silly shit like this makes me want to flash PR1.3 onto it again" | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | so we need to do sth about it for cssu-S | 16:43 |
| Macer | :) | 16:45 |
| jonwil | bah, still no closer to figuring out libimlayouts :( | 16:48 |
| jonwil | damn, it looks like Nokia USED to release a tool to make keyboard layouts (gen_vkb) but now they dont distribute it anymore :( | 16:51 |
| * merlin1991 wonders how to rearrange the wiki | 17:02 | |
| merlin1991 | Changelog and features need a stable specific page | 17:03 |
| merlin1991 | Suggestions? | 17:06 |
| jonwil | damn, it looks like Nokia used to release header files for libimlayouts0 and also tools to produce keyboard layout files. Why they stopped doing this I have no clue | 17:10 |
| jonwil | its a real pitty they did stop :( | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-(( | 17:12 |
| jonwil | I am surprised they would have an objection to third parties making their own keyboard layouts | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's usually not the reason for them not to publish. It's simply the work involved to make sure it's all free of patents, properly licenced atc | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | etc* | 17:14 |
| jonwil | well if they released the tool before, why would they not release the same (but slightly updated) tool for the next version | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | outsourcing for example? | 17:19 |
| merlin1991 | We currently have http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features and http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog | 17:19 |
| merlin1991 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/StableChangelog or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable ? | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | #2 | 17:20 |
| Lava_Croft | the latter | 17:22 |
| Lava_Croft | it has half the abbrivation right in there | 17:22 |
| Lava_Croft | abbreviation* | 17:22 |
| jonwil | ok, I give up. Anything relating to the virtual keyboard on the N900 just isn't going to happen short of some help from some source or a miracle | 17:24 |
| jonwil | and of course in MeeGo/Harmattan, everything is open source | 17:32 |
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| jonwil | which doesn't help us poor saps on maemo with no way to do keyboard layouts | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHA*cough* I hate it | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia should get nuked off this planet for each single time they opened up closed fremantle bits for meego without bothering to give the original source to fremantle community as well, even not mentioning the fact they opened sth for meego and rather simply ignoring their maemo community | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | feels like actively killing maemo | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like mom fills the fridge with delicious stuff for the pool boy, while ignoring her husband though he asked for food several times | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess murders been committed as a result of such behaviour | 18:23 |
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| mase76 | hi! have i read right, that i should not use apt-get upgrade to get the latest nokia fixes, when using cssu? | 19:19 |
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| Jaffa | mase76: You'll get them as part of a CSSU metapackage provision | 19:25 |
| mase76 | that is clear, but would it mess up my system, when getting the packages via apt? | 19:26 |
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| Jaffa | mase76: No idea. Try it and see ;-) | 19:58 |
| Jaffa | mase76: Then you can be authoritative. If it was really problematic, I'd imagine new versions of the packages in CSSU repo, or pinned versions in mp-fremantle-community-pr | 19:59 |
| mase76 | i did it. nothing problematic to see, for now. | 20:04 |
| mase76 | btw: will openmediaplayer replace the stock one in a future cssu update? | 20:04 |
| Jaffa | mase76: AIUI, it's missing uPNP; which would be a blocker. | 20:05 |
| mase76 | i know. i mean, when it's ready. | 20:06 |
| mase76 | it also does not interact with gpodder. but gp will get an integrated player. | 20:07 |
| merlin1991 | mase76: how does the stock one "interact" with gpodeer? | 20:13 |
| mase76 | it returnes the pause time to gp. when choosing play in gp, it resumes. with omp, gp opens it, then it omp crashes. | 20:15 |
| Lava_Croft | i can vouch for the fact that installing nokia updates on top of cssu doesnt break anything immediately noticable | 20:15 |
| Lava_Croft | did it on two n900s, no problems so far | 20:16 |
| merlin1991 | Lava_Croft: no breaks are expected | 20:16 |
| Lava_Croft | I was replying to 1858 < Jaffa> mase76: No idea. Try it and see ;-) | 20:17 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 20:17 |
| Lava_Croft | qtmobility crap that i accidentally but not so accidentally upgraded via apt did break shit | 20:17 |
| Lava_Croft | as expected | 20:17 |
| merlin1991 | hrhr | 20:18 |
| Lava_Croft | nice, browserd clone | 20:20 |
| Jaffa | Lava_Croft: Mostly due to broken libqtm-1* stuff in Extras, which achipa is sorting :-) | 20:20 |
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| Lava_Croft | yeah, i read | 20:20 |
| Lava_Croft | i just had to break it too! | 20:20 |
| Lava_Croft | thank Nokia for leaving me with 2 n900s >_> | 20:20 |
| mase76 | i also tried the following: played a podcastwith the stock player. closed it and opened omp. then pressed play. the podcast was still in the playlist. omp crashed also. maybe no gp - omp issue. | 20:21 |
| mase76 | does omp accept the start time and returns the pause / stop time to gp (dbus)? | 20:21 |
| Lava_Croft | I always wonder why the maemo.org mailing list articles usually end up with negative score | 20:22 |
| Lava_Croft | usually the more informative, the lower the score | 20:22 |
| mase76 | isn't there still no way to get cups into cssu? only gtk+ has to be rebuilt with the libcups2-dev installed. i am the cups package maintainer. i rebuilt abiword and leafpad. printing works very well. | 20:25 |
| merlin1991 | mase76: the problem is, that you still can't build against cssu in the autobuilder | 20:26 |
| merlin1991 | so while this would potentially enable cups in practice it makes no difference | 20:26 |
| merlin1991 | I've noticed a few crashes with omp related to opening videos too | 20:27 |
| merlin1991 | I want to look into that as soon as I get the time | 20:27 |
| mase76 | i did not built against cssu. afaik there are no dependencies of packages provided by cssu. | 20:27 |
| mase76 | more important would be gpg support in modest to send signed or encrypted mails. | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | yeah but you have to build leafpad / abiword against cups | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | wich would be building against cssu as soon as it's in there | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | wich in term isn't possible on the autobuilder | 20:29 |
| mase76 | you're right. | 20:30 |
| mase76 | but maybe when cssu gets a "stable" state. | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lava_Croft: Jaffa: mase76: AIUI you're replacing a CSSU pkg (we already have the diginotar fix) by an obsolete stock pkg, which will get you into trouble with next CSSU upgrade I guess | 20:37 |
| mase76 | the software version numbers were the same. only the packaging versions were different. | 20:39 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: nope it won't | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | then why did MohammadAG warn? | 20:40 |
| merlin1991 | don't ask me | 20:40 |
| merlin1991 | but the cssu version is 0.2.0 | 20:40 |
| merlin1991 | the nokia version is 0.2.0+0m5 | 20:41 |
| merlin1991 | and the next cssu will depend on >= 0.2.0 | 20:41 |
| merlin1991 | and both packages fit that definition | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui there are other pkgs installed when you do an apt-get upgrade to stock 1.3.1, and you'll notice that at least on "about product" or sth | 20:42 |
| merlin1991 | the metapackge has a higher version (hence the difference in about-product) | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think MohammadAG chatted quite a bit with nokians before he announced that 1.3.1 upgrade and the way it impacts CSSU | 20:43 |
| merlin1991 | at least at what I looked it shouldn't be a problem at all | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf, we install the stock MP?? | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | that for sure will create problems for next CSSU upgrade, no? | 20:44 |
| mase76 | just wait and see... | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc getting rid of stock MP was one of the most critical and annoying things about installing CSSU | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I for the life of mine couldn't figure why users want to to a apt-get upgrade (which is deprecated anyway, no matter which PR and whether stock or CSSU) to pull "updates" that are actually already there in CSSU | 20:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | esp since maintainer of CSSU warned | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/to to/to do/ | 20:47 |
| mase76 | because i am a debian user | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | because I'm a football watcher I might consider kicking you for this comment | 20:48 |
| mase76 | just habit | 20:49 |
| mase76 | most times i am logging in via ssh and do my updates via apt-get. that's the fastest way. | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | habit to do things that have been utterly deprecated and you've been warned to do? KTNX | 20:50 |
| mase76 | sorry, but i still see the debian system inside maemo. | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I still see a CSSU user showing the finger to CSSU maintainer | 20:51 |
| mase76 | no one's showing the finger | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | #maemo /topic : RECENT UPDATE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400 | 20:53 |
| mase76 | no sense to discuss this | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, definitely no sense | 20:55 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: how do you think average joe "updates to pr 1.3.1" | 20:56 |
| merlin1991 | ofc by pulling the metapackage and making a huge mess | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why it's not showing up in HAM | 20:57 |
| merlin1991 | wich ofc possibly breaks things for next cssu update | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's good | 20:57 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 20:57 |
| merlin1991 | but if you just install the packages that come along with the new metapackage you're on the safe side | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | modulo you're replacing possibly fixed CSSU pkgs by possibly broken stock ones | 20:59 |
| merlin1991 | yep :D | 20:59 |
| merlin1991 | possibly creating a mix that does not work at all | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 21:00 |
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| Estel_ | hey there. | 21:03 |
| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer: this time around i had HAM install 1.3.1 before the CSSU | 21:03 |
| Lava_Croft | either way, a forum post is hardly an easy way to find out about such breakage | 21:04 |
| Lava_Croft | just to stick it to the man a bit more | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get upgrade is generally deprecated and known to break your system every now and then | 21:05 |
| Lava_Croft | i didnt use apt for it | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly for reasons like this one | 21:05 |
| Lava_Croft | if only debian had a sane package manager, oh well | 21:05 |
| Lava_Croft | beats yum | 21:05 |
| Estel_ | due to recent work of Jonathan Wilson (his release of Open Source browserd, which is open clone of Nokia closed source browserd), are there any plans of porting more recent Gecko to Maemo?) | 21:06 |
| Estel_ | /as for apt-get ugrade - why You think it's depreciated, I mean rationale? Working with packages with correct dependencies defined, it should work ok?// | 21:08 |
| Estel_ | As for my question, I mean if CSSU got any plans? Open gecko-based browser for Maemo would be a overkill | 21:09 |
| Estel_ | and Jonathan's work made it possible without breaking overall relations between system and browser | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | why would we do that? | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | IOW no plans | 21:10 |
| Lava_Croft | somewhat more updated browser would be nice | 21:11 |
| Lava_Croft | and one that isnt so incredibly slow | 21:11 |
| Lava_Croft | but a lot of stuff would be nice, sooooo | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw I'm not sure it's browserd, iirc this always been open | 21:14 |
| Lava_Croft | browserd is what he said :\ | 21:14 |
| mase76 | and firefox sync should be supported. that is why i use fennec on the n900. but it is badly slow, but synced bookmarks ;) | 21:20 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, check that: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2011-November/028697.html | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah, k. I thought it was mainly about http://www.cncmods.net/files/browser-neteal-dev_0.7.10.1-2+0m5_all.deb | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | also legend had it (or more like timeless told it) that browser-core is FOSS and only GUI is closed Nokia stuff | 21:36 |
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