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freemangordon | merlin1991 ping | 10:42 |
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Lava_Croft | oh boy, diginotar | 10:52 |
Lava_Croft | Dutch pride | 10:52 |
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freemangordon | merlin1991 ping | 16:01 |
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amiconn | mr_jrt: The most annoying bug is that if I send an MMS to someone else, the recipient can read the subject and see an image, but cannot read body text. This is independent of the receiving phone - something involving encoding. | 16:07 |
amiconn | There is a bugreport for this on maemo.org | 16:07 |
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merlin1991 | freemangordon: pong | 17:12 |
merlin1991 | seems like bad timing :D | 17:19 |
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freemangordon | merlin1991 - did you find QT merge requests with fixex | 17:31 |
freemangordon | fixes* | 17:31 |
merlin1991 | only the diginotar fix | 17:34 |
merlin1991 | I just went to check something on the n900 and picked the n9 instead, took me a min swapping through homescreens to realize that I've got the wrong phone in my hand xD | 17:35 |
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freemangordon | merlin1991 here: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/merge_requests/3 | 18:01 |
freemangordon | it is in the same MR | 18:01 |
freemangordon | sorry, here https://gitorious.org/~freemangordon/community-ssu/freemangordons-qt-x11-maemo-cssu-16-5/commit/e0bb7881798b99fb6870a4f3371e7d6948de29e3 | 18:03 |
freemangordon | fixes segfault in vlc-remote | 18:03 |
MohammadAG | freemangordon, terribly sorry, can't push an update till thursday | 18:04 |
MohammadAG | been looking everywhere for a fake (or original really) charger | 18:05 |
freemangordon | ok, few more days should not matter :) | 18:05 |
freemangordon | MohammadAG: did we agree on the time for weekly meetings? | 18:06 |
freemangordon | and BTW I think it is time to add me and arcean to CSSU team as members | 18:07 |
MohammadAG | freemangordon, Fridays, no time though yet | 18:07 |
MohammadAG | freemangordon, it's not something you earn, it's something you request :P | 18:08 |
freemangordon | yeah, that is what I am doing :p | 18:08 |
freemangordon | honestly, I don't think it is written somewhere | 18:09 |
MohammadAG | I didn't add you because you weren't around back then and I never updated the list since :P | 18:09 |
freemangordon | anyway, count that as a request | 18:09 |
freemangordon | I did'n think it is really needed. But changed my mind since I have to wait several times for a weeks for something as simple as 1 line commit or upload of a new project on gitorious. | 18:11 |
freemangordon | MohammadAG: you mentioned yesterday that we need a schedule. TBH i think there MUST be schedule, otherwise things will continue to happen like in the last few months. | 18:13 |
MohammadAG | freemangordon, freemangordon right? | 18:13 |
MohammadAG | freemangordon, Fridays, but we haven't agreed on a time yet | 18:13 |
freemangordon | it is 18:10 here | 18:13 |
freemangordon | now | 18:13 |
freemangordon | gmt+2 | 18:13 |
MohammadAG | same time here | 18:13 |
freemangordon | great | 18:13 |
freemangordon | 19:00? | 18:14 |
MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you good? | 18:14 |
freemangordon | 19:30? | 18:14 |
MohammadAG | I don't mind, Fridays are free for me | 18:14 |
freemangordon | or 15:00 | 18:14 |
freemangordon | have in mind that most probably we will need about an hour an a half | 18:15 |
freemangordon | yeah, maybe 19:00 is the best option, I do not want to miss Friday nights :D | 18:15 |
freemangordon | anyone else? | 18:16 |
merlin1991 | 19:00 as in utc + 2? | 18:17 |
freemangordon | yep | 18:17 |
freemangordon | hmm | 18:17 |
merlin1991 | sounds good | 18:17 |
freemangordon | as in 17:00 utc | 18:17 |
merlin1991 | would be 18 in cet | 18:17 |
merlin1991 | doc and me are cet | 18:17 |
merlin1991 | and I don't know anyone else actively discussing in this channel anyway | 18:18 |
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freemangordon | let me ask worldtimeserver :) | 18:18 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: 18:00 on fridays as meeting time? | 18:18 |
freemangordon | there will be, once trere is an activity | 18:18 |
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merlin1991 | we should dicuss the stable branch this friday | 18:20 |
merlin1991 | *discuss* | 18:20 |
merlin1991 | as in get to a decision :) | 18:20 |
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freemangordon | yeah | 18:21 |
freemangordon | i saw you don't want modest in stable | 18:21 |
freemangordon | why is that | 18:21 |
DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: UGT? | 18:22 |
freemangordon | merlin1991 ^^^ | 18:22 |
merlin1991 | I said I don't want modest in stable untill the stability fixes have been tested in testing | 18:22 |
merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: cet | 18:22 |
DocScrutinizer | ok | 18:22 |
freemangordon | but there are in the wild for a month or so | 18:22 |
merlin1991 | well tbh, modest stable or not, is not that important to me, what I do want to keep out of stable though is camera-ui | 18:23 |
merlin1991 | it has a few flaws that have to go away | 18:23 |
DocScrutinizer | basically camera-ui never had to sneak in to CSSU | 18:24 |
freemangordon | I am not sure how many people are using .deb from TMO | 18:24 |
merlin1991 | freemangordon: that thing is if we create a stable branch we should move "stable" versions from testing -> stable | 18:25 |
merlin1991 | sure your patches are in the wild since a long time, but they've never seen testing in cssu so far | 18:25 |
freemangordon | but they are at least 5 | 18:25 |
merlin1991 | as in through the official channel | 18:25 |
freemangordon | so what | 18:25 |
merlin1991 | my suggestion would be to push them with the next testing | 18:25 |
freemangordon | source code is exactly the same as in CSSU | 18:25 |
merlin1991 | start stable without modest, and after 3 weeks or so of having them in testing confirmed to work we move that to stable | 18:26 |
freemangordon | you mean release new testing with bugs fixed, along with stable without modest | 18:27 |
merlin1991 | do you mean the stability patches are already in the current cssu modest? | 18:27 |
merlin1991 | nvm my last line | 18:27 |
merlin1991 | yeah I mean that | 18:27 |
freemangordon | and after it is confirmed to push modest to stable too | 18:27 |
merlin1991 | yes | 18:27 |
freemangordon | ok, agree | 18:27 |
freemangordon | hmm, someone should write the schedule | 18:28 |
freemangordon | and update it on a regular basis | 18:29 |
merlin1991 | agreed | 18:30 |
DocScrutinizer | I'm tending to support the more conservative approach any time, regarding stable | 18:30 |
freemangordon | the question is who? | 18:30 |
merlin1991 | I could | 18:30 |
merlin1991 | but I guess we should decdide that on friday | 18:30 |
merlin1991 | also gotta run now | 18:30 |
freemangordon | ok, bb | 18:31 |
DocScrutinizer | also please keep in mind that stable branch is not stable release automatically | 18:31 |
DocScrutinizer | I agree we should keep source and release pkg in sync mostly | 18:32 |
freemangordon | DocScrutinizer: for how long do you think something should reside in testing without reported bugs to be assumed ready for stable? | 18:32 |
DocScrutinizer | but adding a few tested patches to initial s-branch won't mean we'll showe that down our customers' throats untested | 18:33 |
DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: that depends on how many users are probably using it on a regular basis | 18:33 |
DocScrutinizer | in testing | 18:34 |
freemangordon | yeah, but there should be some finite time, based on clear criteria. And we never know how many are using the new feature/bug | 18:34 |
DocScrutinizer | generally I calculate with sth like 12 man weeks of usage, measn 12 users use it 1 week heavily or 4 users 3 weeks... | 18:34 |
freemangordon | but how we are going to find how many people are using it | 18:35 |
MohammadAG | as in 17:00 UTC | 18:35 |
DocScrutinizer | but this 12 can easily become 20 or 30 or even 100, depending on subjective estimation of hidden risks and system relevance of the component | 18:35 |
MohammadAG | oh, N900 was scrolled up | 18:35 |
MohammadAG | nvm | 18:35 |
freemangordon | MohammadAG: I think 17:00 UTC is agreed time | 18:36 |
DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: obviously by polling and unsolicited feedback | 18:36 |
freemangordon | ha, someone should read CSSU thread on tmo and count? | 18:36 |
freemangordon | that won't work | 18:37 |
DocScrutinizer | sth like that, yeah | 18:37 |
DocScrutinizer | otherwise we need to assign testers and wait for them doing their job | 18:37 |
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freemangordon | hmm, what about trying to move everyone to stable? | 18:38 |
DocScrutinizer | of course if a feature/patch is in testing since months, and nobody ever reported about it, this can mean 2 things: either it works flawlessly or nobody ever using it. There is a certain timeout for quarantine where you don't care anymory about how much sth got tested | 18:39 |
freemangordon | and warning those who remain in testing that they MUST test and report? | 18:39 |
DocScrutinizer | the later is a quite reasonable thing to do | 18:40 |
MohammadAG | freemangordon, everything can stay as is | 18:40 |
DocScrutinizer | I'm reluctant to bewilder voluntary tetsters though | 18:40 |
MohammadAG | Stable can be something for those who've held out on CSSU because it's testing | 18:40 |
MohammadAG | Testing can stay as is | 18:40 |
MohammadAG | I'm not sure how one can go from Testing to stable and back if he wants | 18:41 |
freemangordon | MohammadAG: no, it can't continue without any rules. | 18:41 |
DocScrutinizer | if users on T are happy with staying on T and reporting, why should I force then to S? | 18:41 |
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MohammadAG | exactly | 18:41 |
MohammadAG | freemangordon, rules? for users? | 18:41 |
freemangordon | no, for developers | 18:41 |
MohammadAG | Users are those, not paid testers with rules | 18:41 |
freemangordon | not for users | 18:42 |
DocScrutinizer | for *us* | 18:42 |
DocScrutinizer | :-D | 18:42 |
MohammadAG | Yeah, we already started working on that | 18:42 |
DocScrutinizer | like "Joerg says..." :-P | 18:43 |
MohammadAG | ok, we need a team of reviewers | 18:43 |
DocScrutinizer | ask for them to apply, on tmo | 18:43 |
MohammadAG | skilled at reading code, finding memory leaks etc | 18:43 |
MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I doubt tmo has a lot of them | 18:44 |
DocScrutinizer | ooops reviewers, sorry | 18:44 |
freemangordon | I don't mean to force anyone to stable. But right now there is no alternative to testing. Once stable is out and you don't feel yourself to be on a cutting edge then move to stable. otherwise by remaining on testing you should feel obliged to test and report. | 18:44 |
DocScrutinizer | for some reason I read "testers" | 18:44 |
MohammadAG | Code reviewers, not end user software :p | 18:44 |
DocScrutinizer | NB even T definitely is _not_ cutting edge. We got no such thing like a cutting edge repo for CSSU | 18:45 |
MohammadAG | aka devel | 18:46 |
MohammadAG | where bricks and nightlies exist | 18:46 |
DocScrutinizer | so all cutting edge patches have to be done locally on the devel's own infra, then deployed via e.g tmo .deb whatever, before they are considered semi stable to go into T | 18:46 |
MohammadAG | Problem with debian is | 18:46 |
MohammadAG | when you upgrade, you can't go back | 18:47 |
MohammadAG | community-devel is what you're thinking | 18:47 |
MohammadAG | that might be a good thing to have | 18:47 |
DocScrutinizer | dang, I bitched about the missing cssu-devel half a year ago :-P | 18:47 |
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freemangordon | yeah, could that be achieved? | 18:48 |
DocScrutinizer | anyway testing != devel | 18:48 |
freemangordon | agree, but lets have devel then | 18:49 |
DocScrutinizer | I suggest to have a experimental rather than a devel | 18:49 |
freemangordon | with some sort of nightly or weekly builds | 18:49 |
freemangordon | name should not matter | 18:49 |
DocScrutinizer | names always mater :-) | 18:50 |
DocScrutinizer | they give lurkers an idea what'S it all about | 18:50 |
freemangordon | if there is such repo then stuff like clock replacement and OMP will find their correct place. | 18:50 |
freemangordon | what it takes to organise a repo? | 18:51 |
freemangordon | fast inet and disk space? | 18:51 |
DocScrutinizer | testing := patches considered working go here to get evaluated for hidden bugs by broader audience. // stable := no patches other than for fixing buld issues are expected to be needed here ever, as there should not be any bugs that haven't shown up and got killed in testing | 18:52 |
MohammadAG | freemangordon, it should all stay on maemo.org | 18:52 |
MohammadAG | X-Fade, possibility for community-devel anytime soon? | 18:53 |
freemangordon | why is that? | 18:53 |
MohammadAG | why not? | 18:53 |
freemangordon | of course the best option is maemo.org. if it is an option at all. | 18:54 |
DocScrutinizer | sync between repos is faster on one server/infra | 18:54 |
freemangordon | My idea is a repo which holds only binaries | 18:54 |
freemangordon | so other developers can test what is latest verasion on gitorious without need to fire scratchbox. | 18:55 |
DocScrutinizer | don't forget that for all I understand of git you never really copy data from one repo to a forked one, you just "symlimk" unless you applied patches on top | 18:55 |
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DocScrutinizer | err, ouch, yeah. repo==binaies, gitorious==source | 18:58 |
DocScrutinizer | sorry dudes I'm sub par right now | 18:58 |
DocScrutinizer | for sure we don't need a maemo hosted *repo* for experimental (aka X) | 18:58 |
DocScrutinizer | we need a git branch | 18:59 |
freemangordon | yeah, that is what I am saying | 18:59 |
freemangordon | re binaries | 18:59 |
DocScrutinizer | nobody is really interested in a repo with expermental stuff, as you would install the *system* from a heap of broken shit | 19:00 |
DocScrutinizer | rather you install one .deb, e.g. for modest, so no X patches to H-D will interfere with your work on modest | 19:00 |
freemangordon | no need to install the whole system. | 19:00 |
DocScrutinizer | not really, but then also no need for a repo really | 19:01 |
freemangordon | hm, that should be file server that said | 19:01 |
freemangordon | yeah | 19:01 |
DocScrutinizer | might be handy, but not exactly mandatory | 19:01 |
freemangordon | MohammadAG: I think you should make a thread/post on TMO re CSSU meeting on Friday now, and I will take care to bump it regularly so everyone who is interested to take part. I still insist that CSSU lacks PR :) | 19:04 |
DocScrutinizer | unrelated: what'S with commit permissions now? | 19:05 |
DocScrutinizer | will this move? | 19:05 |
freemangordon | the same for now, I assume MohammadAG will ad mme as soon as he find a power supply :) | 19:06 |
DocScrutinizer | aah, the power supply case | 19:06 |
DocScrutinizer | :-P | 19:06 |
DocScrutinizer | see why we need redundancy in all administrative positions? | 19:07 |
freemangordon | we have, so what. jaffa is an administrator too | 19:07 |
DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: could you add commit rights for freemangordon ? | 19:08 |
freemangordon | btw jaffa pinged you earlier today | 19:08 |
DocScrutinizer | o.O | 19:09 |
freemangordon | <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: Reanimate how? | 19:09 |
DocScrutinizer | yeah, like 24h ago | 19:09 |
DocScrutinizer | thanks :-) | 19:09 |
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mr_jrt | Incidentially, I mentioned quite some time ago that the rtcom-eventlogger code in the CSSU repo is old, and that I made my own repo with the latest code drop (I also did incremental commits from each code drop, providing some history). Anyway, would an updated version of the libs that add the triggers that fix call durations be worth including in the CSSU? | 19:17 |
freemangordon | MohammadAG: ^^^ | 19:18 |
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MohammadAG | freemangordon, I still have my N900, sec | 19:34 |
MohammadAG | freemangordon, added, you can wreak havoc on the repo now | 19:35 |
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freemangordon | :D thanks | 19:46 |
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Jaffa | Well, about 45 minutes ago :-) | 19:52 |
Jaffa | ^freemangordon: DocScrutinizer: | 19:52 |
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freemangordon | yep, saw it | 19:54 |
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arcean_ | bug #5424 | 23:11 |
povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/5424 Unable to scroll horizontally in File manager's details dialog when the file name is too "long" | 23:11 |
arcean_ | bug #12320 | 23:11 |
povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12320 Change default value of mov-mode for HildonPannableArea to HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH to allow horizontal scrolling by default | 23:11 |
arcean_ | hrmm | 23:11 |
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