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| MohammadAG | mr_jrt, fix your connection :p | 13:31 |
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| merlin1991 | holy sh!t join/part spam deluxe | 16:26 |
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| BCMM | heh, that's definitely an internet connection worth assigning a domain name to... | 16:53 |
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| BCMM | nokia just sent me a new n900, with an actual USB port on it and everything. it's at pr1.3. do i need to enable CSSU before i reinstall applications using the backup app? | 17:34 |
| BCMM | (i was on CSSU before) | 17:34 |
| BCMM | sorry, i mean, will doing that re-enable CSSU? | 17:34 |
| * merlin1991 wonders how the backup app stores the applist | 17:35 | |
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| merlin1991 | BCMM I'll investigate a lil, maybe I can give you an answer in a few mins | 17:35 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: have a look at it, it's funny! | 17:35 |
| merlin1991 | I guess you did a full backup? | 17:36 |
| BCMM | yeah | 17:36 |
| BCMM | seriously, the package backup is hilarious | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | well, none of the CSSU packages are in user/, so I doubt they went into the backup | 17:37 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I'm going to check that now | 17:37 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: i mean the package list backup | 17:37 |
| merlin1991 | doing a full backup and will investigate files | 17:37 |
| BCMM | it's a .zip. inside the zip is Root/var/lib/hildon-application-manager/packages.backup. in that file, is the most pointless use of XML i've seen so far | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, it only backs up a list of packages in user/ | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | possibly with maemo-list-user-packages | 17:38 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: better safe than sorry ;) | 17:38 |
| BCMM | it starts with <backup>, then every line before </backup> is formatted like this: <pkg>openssh</pkg> | 17:38 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: user the app catagory? | 17:38 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: mishighlight ^ | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | yes, user/* | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | user/network, mutlimedia, hidden etc | 17:39 |
| BCMM | ah, so it will reinstall my "apps", but not my real GNU /bin/top and so on? | 17:40 |
| BCMM | thanks | 17:40 |
| merlin1991 | BCMM: it will readd the cssu repo | 17:40 |
| merlin1991 | dunno how much damage that can cause | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | yes, unless coreutils-gnu is in user/ | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | in the end it will redownload all packages | 17:41 |
| merlin1991 | community--ssu-enabler is in the backuplist | 17:41 |
| merlin1991 | and the mp-fremantle-community-prc | 17:41 |
| merlin1991 | *pr* | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | good point, those are in user/ | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | he could just untick them though | 17:43 |
| merlin1991 | BCMM if you want to stay away from cssu this time I'll suggest you play in the backup | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | or they'd be disabled if the repo is unavailable | 17:43 |
| merlin1991 | disable the cssu repo | 17:43 |
| merlin1991 | and then install the apps | 17:43 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: repo is backed up and added too | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | restoring a backup restores all repos merlin1991 | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | :D | 17:43 |
| merlin1991 | that's why I said play in backup | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | just untick both mp-fremantle-community-pr and community-ssu-enabler | 17:43 |
| merlin1991 | disable repo | 17:43 |
| merlin1991 | then use the ham option to install apps | 17:44 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: procps, not coreutils | 17:44 |
| merlin1991 | or just install cssu anyway ;) | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, extra steps :p | 17:44 |
| BCMM | hang on, any reason not to just enable CSSU first? | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | nope none at all | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | unless you hate us :p | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | BCMM: replace that us with Mohammad, everyone knows Mohammad is the evil part of the cssu team ;) | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, you're getting your paycheck cut again | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | watch it | 17:46 |
| BCMM | talking of evil, i'm nervous about apt-get on maemo now. is apt-get remove any worse than removing stuff in HAM? | 17:46 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 17:47 |
| BCMM | cause i need to lose a bunch of preloaded rubbish now | 17:47 |
| BCMM | cool | 17:47 |
| merlin1991 | the only thing you never ever should do is | 17:47 |
| BCMM | oh, pretty icon on hte enabler now | 17:47 |
| merlin1991 | apt-get autoremove | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | remind me to upgrade apt in the next CSSU | 17:47 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: why/ | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | try apt-get install bounce | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | You'll get E: Handler silently failed | 17:48 |
| BCMM | what's bounce anyway? | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | the game | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | anything in the ovi store would fail | 17:48 |
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| BCMM | oh, the one with the preloaded demo... | 17:56 |
| BCMM | no, wasn't preloaded, was just the highest-rated free thing on ovi when i got the n900 or something | 17:56 |
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| merlin1991 | the first things I get rid of after a reflash are the various "installer" apps | 17:57 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: BTW, Stskeeps says he's getting modest crashes since CSSU. Might be worth tapping up his l33t debug skills :-) | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | I wish I could get those | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, does he know about #maemo-ssu? | 18:04 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: He does, but also said "can't I be a dumb consumer for once?" ;-) | 18:12 |
| myuu | did you guys do something with the email? | 18:15 |
| myuu | im actually getting mail wtf | 18:16 |
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| myuu | i havent read the entire changelog because I updated a day ago | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, how do I start modest with gdb? | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | myuu, no, not in the last update | 18:19 |
| myuu | well I started CSSU as a whole I mean lol | 18:20 |
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| myuu | its quite good by the way. i havent used my phone this much since ive bought it | 18:20 |
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| Sc0rpius | in the device or in scratchbox? | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, device | 18:49 |
| Sc0rpius | you have a coredump? | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | no | 18:49 |
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| MohammadAG | but I want to run it with gdb | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | so whenever it crashes, I could have a backtrace | 18:50 |
| Sc0rpius | well I always use: gdb /usr/bin/maemo-launcher coredump | 18:51 |
| Sc0rpius | but to start it hmmm I guess it should be: | 18:51 |
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| Sc0rpius | I guess something like gdb --args /usr/bin/maemo-invoker /usr/bin/modest.launch | 18:53 |
| Sc0rpius | I have never tried that | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, and it should detect debugging symbols on its own? | 18:54 |
| Sc0rpius | yes, usually | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, what about the -s argument? | 18:56 |
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| Sc0rpius | I have never used that, though if I have some sources (like tinymail) around I use the --directory so it can find them | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, no, I meant modest -s to launch the UI | 18:57 |
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| Sc0rpius | ahh | 19:01 |
| Sc0rpius | the -s is to show the display. Without it, modest will be running in background and you usually run it. If you want to keep the GUI open you can throw it there | 19:02 |
| fatphil | 1st 'pew' heard, after 27 hours idle (this time pmtrackerd was not running). I'll stick it on a jig and grab some powertop logs... | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | pew? | 19:06 |
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| fatphil | the pitiful 'I'm going flat' sound | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG | oh lol | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | I don't have that anymore, rewriting the status area applet for the battery and never worked on sounds | 19:10 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: we need that sound in the rewrite, most awesome sound on the phone | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, xD | 19:30 |
| fatphil | I think it's one of the best features of the device. It's such a pitiful sound. | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if the sound stutters on purpose | 19:32 |
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| merlin1991 | phone sounds so sad when playin the sound :) | 19:38 |
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| fatphil | Stuttering sound would tend to get quite high priority in our internal bugzilla. Nokia's in theory very concerned about the audio part of the user experience. | 19:44 |
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| MohammadAG | fatphil, it has always stuttered, since PR1.0 | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | though I guess it adds more dramatic effect :p | 19:49 |
| merlin1991 | tbh I never thought it stutters | 19:49 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: know the file ? | 19:50 |
| merlin1991 | so I can compare :D | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, play it from /usr/share/sounds | 19:50 |
| merlin1991 | yea but wich one? :D | 19:50 |
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| MohammadAG | /usr/share/sounds/ui-recharge_battery.wav | 19:50 |
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| merlin1991 | woha | 20:05 |
| merlin1991 | there's more to that sound than I ever hear from the phone | 20:05 |
| merlin1991 | I always only hear the first pew | 20:05 |
| merlin1991 | but not the other stuff in the wav | 20:06 |
| merlin1991 | especially not the 3 beeps in the end | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, I hear them as 9 beeps | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | which is why I say it stutters | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | I only hear the first sound and the echo of it | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | but never get the 3 high beeps | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | weird | 20:10 |
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| fatphil | I've not played the whole sound but it might be that low battery only plays the first fraction of it, and "fuck you, I'm switching off" plays the whole thing | 22:22 |
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| fatphil | /kick mr_jrt get a proper internet connection ? | 22:23 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, how do I add a divert to someone? | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | IRC chan divert? | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ban | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | he can't see a reason that way... | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | isn't there a way to direct to something like #maemo-fix-your-connection? | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | not per user afaik | 23:25 |
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