| MohammadAG | merlin1991, lots | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | hildon-desktop, hildon-home, etc | 00:00 |
| * merlin1991 forsees some changelog work | 00:00 | |
| MohammadAG | but yeah, Qt will take at least an hour to upload | 00:01 |
| MohammadAG | interesting, https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-pdf-viewer/merge_requests/2 | 00:02 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, lots | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | Question: should I include the modified apt in the CSSU? The one that removes the user/hidden limitation | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | it's basically useless now and only prevents users from doing apt-get -based backup/restores | 00:42 |
| thp | yay! pdf viewer fixes :) | 00:55 |
| thp | MohammadAG: hmm doesn't that result in showing all ovi store content? | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | thp, no, just allows installing free ovi store content with apt-get | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | paid content lives as debs on their own server | 00:56 |
| thp | well, that would actually be cool :) | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | if you remember, PR1.1.1 brought that since paid apps were actually in the repository | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | so they "fixed" that in PR1.2, but removed the apps, thus rendering the fix useless | 00:57 |
| thp | hehe ;) | 00:57 |
| thp | well, removing any maemoisms that don't break anything seems like a good idea to me | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | Qt reverted to 4.7.0, text selection working | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | thoughts on bug 12237 ? | 01:16 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12237 Default WiFi power-saving mode 'Maximum' is unreliable and performs poorly | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | I'm thinking of closing it as INVALID, maximum powersaving works fine for many users and it's already configurable | 01:16 |
| merlin1991 | it's not exactly invalid but I think the current situation is the best we get | 01:23 |
| andre__ | yay, new update :) | 01:24 |
| merlin1991 | I don't get ap vendors | 01:25 |
| merlin1991 | the last one I had had crappy reception and all kinds of problems, but powersaving worked like a charm | 01:25 |
| merlin1991 | the new one has perfect signal but instead power saving doesn't work | 01:25 |
| merlin1991 | ffs can't I get both? :D | 01:25 |
| thp | merlin1991: still better than the crappy telekom routers that reboot under load :p | 01:27 |
| merlin1991 | oh we have one like that too | 01:28 |
| merlin1991 | does reboot under load, reboot when he feels like, and generally die when you try to use the internet | 01:28 |
| merlin1991 | this one's not replaceable though :( | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, indeed :D | 01:30 |
| thp | merlin1991: i once had success just hooking up a proper ap to the telekom router/modem via ethernet, but that kind of missed the point. so i guess it's definitely a wifi problem on that router | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: my HAM is switcing from LS to prtrt whenever I click "details" for a pkg :-/ (unless kbd slide open) | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, hildon-desktop bug, from PR1.2 times, I've noticed it too sadly | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | when that happens, the task manager buttons stays wide, so it actually thinks it's in portrait mode | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | err, landscape* | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | f*cking cron job | 02:24 |
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| MohammadAG | grrrrr | 02:25 |
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| *** MohammadAG changes topic to "Maemo Community SSU channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version: 20.2010.36-2maemo15" | 02:25 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | \o/ | 02:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 ponders going full risk and giving new version a try - of course after taking the backupmenu tranquilizer pill | 02:31 | |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: at least you're safe from qt | 02:32 |
| merlin1991 | qt is good old pr1.3 + patches | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nice | 02:33 |
| merlin1991 | dunno how stable the new camera-ui is though | 02:33 |
| merlin1991 | prob better since the last update | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | a lot better, it checks for NULL :P | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | how's camui linked to the system? | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | is it simply replacing the binaty? | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or is there more to it? | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping | 02:38 |
| merlin1991 | mainly replaces bin afaik | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nice | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | help me out, what's the name of this cam-ui? | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | camera-ui | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nickcam? | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | it replaces Nokia's package | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | just give it a try | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | you can always revert | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | it's actually stable (for me at least) | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm searching for words | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what's the name? | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | "comes with camera-ui" isn't quite to the point | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | we got Nokia-stock, blessN900, fcam, and now....? | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | NickCam? | 02:48 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: cssuimprovednokiastockreplacementcam | 02:49 |
| merlin1991 | oops forgot the ui at the end :D | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cough | 02:49 |
| merlin1991 | where's the page for the autobuilder status again= | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, ok. What's the *main* difference(s) between fcam and cssucam? sw-engineering wise, not UX | 02:51 |
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| merlin1991 | fcam uses fcam | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | cssucam uses what nokia binary does | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | indeed. But is that sure? doesn't it maybe need fvam improved kernel drivers? or don't those exist anymore? | 02:52 |
| merlin1991 | fcamera is a ui that uses the fcam camera kernel drivers | 02:54 |
| merlin1991 | the cssu camera-ui does what the stock binary did too | 02:54 |
| merlin1991 | not depending on the fcamera kernel drivers | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | the CSSU camera-ui uses the same gdigicam backend as the stock UI | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG | and provides some extra features | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/camera-ui | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG | oh, that second regression was fixed | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | that all sounds so friggin nice I'm even temped to rethink my plan to "kill" nicolaiCam. But as we always are following a policy of opt-in rather than opt-out, and esp a policy to have a choice at all in settings or wherever.... | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so NicoCssuCam-ui is replacing /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch, correct? | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | or rather /usr/bin/camera-ui -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually a good question - is NCC-ui using maemo-invoker? | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nope | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | makes debugging easier, but we can change that afaik | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | question is, do we need to? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it just replace the second mentioned symlink up there? | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | no, it replaces the whole package, the icon just executes /usr/bin/camera-ui | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | this one: /usr/bin/camera-ui -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | that doesn't exist in the CSSU camera-ui, it's an actual binary | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | and no .launch file | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's wha I meant | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | it still uses dsme, I plan on changing that tbh | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | an /etc/event.d script would work better with a respawn option | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | and of course, no bootloops | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | step one: could we rename the real binary from /usr/bin/camera-ui to /usr/bin/NCC-ui (or whatever), and then just change the symling to read "/usr/bin/camera-ui -> /usr/bin/NCC-ui" ? | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | why? the symlink doesn't even exist | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | it exists on every normal system | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | but is it needed? | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | this change would open an obvious and convenient point to change default camera-ui | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | with ZERO effort | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | I don't get it | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ln -s /usr/bin/camera-ui /usr/bin/NCC-ui | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ln -s /usr/bin/camera-ui /usr/bin/maemo-launcher | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | switching my default camera as fast as this | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | you meant switching | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | (yes, we need a reboot, or at least a killall) | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | that's not possible, we can't reupload Nokia's | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | but hey! | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia's camera-ui* | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I still got it on my system ;-) | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 278852 2010-07-27 10:29 /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch | 03:26 |
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| MohammadAG | I don't :p | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG | but yeah, you could easily do that | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's no argument | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG | mv /usr/bin/camera-ui /usr/bin/nicam | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG | and do as you suggested above | 03:27 |
| MohammadAG | you can use dsmetool -k/t to restart it | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's nothing stopping us from creating this rename and symlink, and maybe not remove /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | next step: (you see what I did here?) get two icons (+ .desktop) to do those ln -s /usr/bin/camera-ui /usr/bin/NCC-ui || ln -s /usr/bin/camera-ui /usr/bin/maemo-launcher | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus dsmetool -k && dsmetool -t, as you suggesred | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | or have two icons for the two apps :P | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | voila: user can switch between classic and advanced | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm willing to delive that stuff in 30 minutes | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, what do you think of nicam? | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | not yet tested, just sounds friggin cool | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | (hooray, loop closed) | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | I love the capture button tbh | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I'm not willing to rely on in exclusively | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yet | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | reduces cam shake, since tapping the screen moves the device less than the button | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why ... ^^^ | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's my offer: I deliver the scripts and stuff (minus the icons), you do the packaging | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and another huge concern I got about CSSU-newest is gone and soved for good | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | well again, I can't do that for the CSSU :P | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should hurry though, as each user installing the current version of CSSU nukes his stock cam, and you say we can't get it back | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | they nuked it a while ago | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | with 14.0 | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know, that's not the point | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | think about the NEW users :-) | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | that means we have to ship another package | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, we just patch camui pkg a lil bit | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG | we can't | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg removes all files in the old package | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG | it's how debian packaging works on upgrades | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | cough | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | even befor prerm? | 03:38 |
| MohammadAG | yes, if the package exists | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin shit!!! | 03:38 |
| MohammadAG | I mean, prerm doesn't exist in Nokia's package | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaaah I see | 03:38 |
| MohammadAG | so camera-ui.launch will end up removed before our prerm even gets there | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | got it | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | do we have some cssu-global pre-install? | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | or could pin the nokia pkg in apt, or dunno what else? c'mon we're smart, eren't we? | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | if you consider the enabler a preinstall | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | if we're smart we shouldn't consider keeping Nokia's binary :p | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, I'd consider that a proper preinstall | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you do know camera-ui doesn't talk to the policy system right? | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you can do a simple cp /usr/bin/camera-ui.launcher /opt/cssu/camera/ | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG | you can add music from the music player to your videos with that (missing) feature! | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet they spoiled that | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | so yes, probably you can | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | shall I write down a detailed plan how to do the "select your default camera" thing? | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | or can we do that "on the fly" | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG | May I suggest we do this for -stable? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, who says we have to replace/update the stock camera pkg, when they can coexist anyway? | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG | they can't cooexist in the sense of the mediaplayer for example | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | wrong idea - in -stable we might go for the better one of both, and discard the other completely | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | just like you planned to do for now and -testing, but alas NCC-ui doesn't deliver 100% yet | 03:46 |
| MohammadAG | what's missing? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | stability | 03:46 |
| MohammadAG | hmm? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | or call it trust/confidence whatever | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, I see the update of stock pkg seems mandatory (to you) | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | so let's follow the original plan a lil further | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG | well, no, it's just that it's too late to save users who upgraded a month ago | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if the CSSU repo has statistics | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, but we're heading for sth that can get ADVERTISED | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | for NEW users | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG | I mean, my facebook app has 3200+ users, tmo barely has 200+ of us, so there must be some other site doing announces for us - in a wrong way | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and there are like 2 mio of them ;-) | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus til now there's still the "you might have to reflash" disclaimer | 03:50 |
| MohammadAG | -devel has that too :P | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | so that's a moot argument for not getting it, that there are *some* users who won't benefit as it's "too late" for them | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | get it now and the number of users which it's to late for them won't increase any further | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and those poor souls have to do a reflash if they really bother - of course our new friendly optional concept is compatible to those as well, if they don't | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | they simply don't get the two icons, and no way to switch back from NCC-ui to stock | 03:53 |
| MohammadAG | tbh | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's really extremely simple to implement - my offer about 30min still stands | 03:53 |
| MohammadAG | we need permission from Nokia to at least redistribute their binaries | 03:54 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo got it, why can't we? | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | we do not redistribute any Nokia binaries | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yet | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course it was nice and way simpler if we may | 03:55 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if X-Fade or GAN can check for us | 03:55 |
| MohammadAG | we'll obviously need this for future fiasco based updates | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that'S not stopping us from making CSSU more failsafe | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | talk to council | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what'S with this nice lil latenight hack? | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | is it difficult to get a cp or sth into cssu-installer? | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | it needs work so it doesn't fail for old users, and it doesn't help those who use the CSSU right now | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | and it needs an update to the stable community-ssu-enabler | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | still I can do it in 30 min | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | can you? ;-D | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | the packaging? no :P | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | make that 60 if you feel better with it | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | it's 4 AM :P | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, shall we do this in near future? like tomorrow? | 03:58 |
| MohammadAG | I'll talk to Jaffa, see what he thinks | 03:58 |
| MohammadAG | he does more sane decisions than I do tbh | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | it feels like a nice little task that can get accomplished with little effort and would bring *huge* benefit | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | do it | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I already know his answer | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 03:59 |
| * MohammadAG wonders what that is | 03:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | "make it optional!" | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is exactly what I'm planning to do :-) | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | (btw stricktly speaking, as soon as it's optional it seems to belong into extras, not cssu anymore) | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that might change as soon as we look at mediaplayer | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I didn't get the full context and meaning of your recent comment about this | 04:04 |
| MohammadAG | mediaplayer needs some work | 04:04 |
| MohammadAG | and I've gained skills in threading, so I can do that soon | 04:04 |
| MohammadAG | fetching playlists is slow and blocks the UI since it is done in the main thread | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, how is it related to camera (except for the rather obvious but somehow not linking playback of videos) | 04:05 |
| MohammadAG | the two mediaplayers use one mafw backend connected to both via DBus | 04:05 |
| MohammadAG | so both can actually run at the same time | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG | camera, not so much, different hardware and different instance of the same API | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | still no camera-ui on my radar | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got it we *need* to replace the camera pkg of stock, as there are problems with mediaplayer otherwise | 04:07 |
| MohammadAG | no, we need to replace it cause both can conflict if both exist at the same time | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are the files existing same time, but never two concurrently running instances | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | for camera-ui | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like saying audiolab has to deinstall audacity as both are exclusively using the soundcard | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | mirror can't coexist with camera-ui as it needs exclusive access to the video resource | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, there's definitely no problem | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG | so the main blocker right now is old users | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll deal with all this in that tiny script to switch default cam | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | which aren't any blocker anyway | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll take care of those as well. They don't get less than tehy do now | 04:12 |
| MohammadAG | who's the council now? I actually forgot :S | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 04:12 |
| MohammadAG | I only remembered who it was when Jaffa was on for some reason | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | for your convenience :-) | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | I'll talk to achipa tomorrow | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 04:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders idly why camera-ui isn't optified :-/ | 04:18 | |
| MohammadAG | I want this fixed https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12142 | 04:18 |
| povbot | Bug 12142: Portrait orientation lost if phone lays flat | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | do we need camera-ui during early bootup? | 04:18 |
| MohammadAG | It works well in Qt, but not Gtk apps | 04:18 |
| MohammadAG | after hildon-desktop starts, if that's early | 04:18 |
| MohammadAG | but right now it just followed from Nokia's tradition | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's definitely not early, as hildon is relying on a lot of things in /opt | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | so I can guess it can be optified | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | does it matter if the binary is always running? | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | I'd guess that's in memory, but I never got how apps really live on a device | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's 278k less rootspace eaten up | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh MohammadAG - I'll tell you next weekend. Fetch some beer for me and whatever you like for you :-) | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, I love to elaboate about such things | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | heh :D | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw 278 err 279kB is pretty smal for the camera-ui | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | how much is the NCC-ui? | 04:23 |
| merlin1991 | 156 | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh!°!!! | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | weldone pals, weldone :-D | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost doesn't pay for optification :-) | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | heh, I also tried to beat the stock mediaplayer with size | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | I only exceeded it a bit, because of the QML window | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | and stripping does wonders | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, mediaplayer definitely needs to go /opt, so it is kinda pointless | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | though optimisation never is pointless | 04:26 |
| MohammadAG | it was just a self-challenge :P | 04:26 |
| MohammadAG | didn't pay much attention to the facebook app for example, so it's 1.6MBs | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 04:27 |
| MohammadAG | although images/icons are actually embedded in the binary | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, I wish I could learn as much in as little a time as you did recently | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas there's a point where the easy stuff gets less and the learning takes longer and is less fun so | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | well, you know C :P | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | a lil bit | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | you know the syntax | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know how coding works in general | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | it took me a while to know what pointers are and how they can waste memory | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I get arbitrary syntax more quickly | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | pointers in C are still a nightmare to me | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | C, yeah, I don't exactly get along with it well | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are definitely counter-intuitive | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | I try to code with it when I have to, but for the rest, Qt is what I like | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | you should definitely look into it, it's way too easy to work with | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | basically, it's just fun to work with | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know Qt | 04:31 |
| MohammadAG | I didn't get along with Python too | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know, I did quite a bit of twinkle's GUI | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Qt is mere fun | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | one you got the catch | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | once* | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | (btw all of the german translation too, on twinkle. And the I18n in general, some parts of it) | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Qt-linquist, *sigh* - what a difference to the abomination maemo is using | 04:34 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 04:34 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why not do a hotswap GUI? | 04:34 |
| MohammadAG | for the battery | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, primarily because nobody's really interested and it's basically boring stuff. Too simple | 04:35 |
| MohammadAG | PSFreedom wasn't exactly rocket science, still, it got me to speed with C++/Qt | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | will come naturally with the improved H-E-N script that collects dust here since ages | 04:36 |
| * merlin1991 wonders when that usb thingy from hongkong will arrive | 04:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | this script is really multi-purpose: better H-E-N experience (even with unchanged GUI), hotswap en passent, and charging from dumb charger without D+/- short hacks | 04:37 |
| merlin1991 | hotsawp? | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably the last point alone should make me consider to sell it on OVI store ;-P | 04:38 |
| merlin1991 | also how did you get around the last thing? | 04:38 |
| MohammadAG | Ovi store paid apps = piracy = one person buys it | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill bme X-P | 04:38 |
| MohammadAG | oh btw DocScrutinizer | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG | can you review a patch | 04:39 |
| merlin1991 | that just leaves my question what you mean by hotswap | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so include a "domate" button to h-e-n gui, FOOL! | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery/merge_requests/1 DocScrutinizer | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG | line 198 looks umm, bad | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I need more time to review this. looking at the patch only doesn't tell me anything | 04:41 |
| MohammadAG | it tells me there's a timer that polls | 04:41 |
| MohammadAG | by the looks of it at least | 04:42 |
| merlin1991 | gboolean bme_running = system ("pgrep -f ^/usr/sbin/bme_RX-51") == 0; | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | old or new 198? | 04:42 |
| merlin1991 | ouch | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG | plugin->priv->timer = g_timeout_add_seconds (30, bme_process_timeout, plugin); | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG | new | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG | the one merlin1991 posted | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: ouch? | 04:43 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not exactly into system() being in code | 04:43 |
| MohammadAG | especially since it's being run every 30 seconds | 04:43 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: system() calling pgrep | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 04:43 |
| merlin1991 | OUCH! | 04:43 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't bme emit a signal when it dies? | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got no problems with it, unless somebody is showing me a way smarter 1-liner | 04:44 |
| MohammadAG | like bme: ohshit | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'd think bme doesn't emit any more signels at all when it dies ;-D | 04:44 |
| * merlin1991 feels like cat /dev/kmem | 04:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | enjoy ;-P | 04:45 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | so ... what now? 189? | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | err 198 | 04:46 |
| MohammadAG | it was the pgrep | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeh it's the pgrep | 04:47 |
| MohammadAG | I always O_O at system()s | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically there's nothing wrong with system() as long as it's not frequent, and not realtime | 04:47 |
| MohammadAG | 30s | 04:48 |
| MohammadAG | every 30s | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's quite economic on memusage during the time it's not used | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 04:48 |
| MohammadAG | also, do you approve of the patch's goal? | 04:48 |
| MohammadAG | Read battery status from bq27x00_battery kernel module too | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dunno if that'S a sane thing to do any poll every 30 s | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | in that context | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | but the system() is no problem here | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | what do you think is shell doing to start commands ;-) | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | when running a script | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | it won't be much different to system() | 04:50 |
| MohammadAG | what about the bq27x00 reading? | 04:50 |
| MohammadAG | I thought that module was bad territory or something | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, reading from that module is a nogo as the module is a showstopper | 04:50 |
| MohammadAG | the patch makes my applet read from the module when bme is stopped | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | it occupies I2C bus to bq27200 chip and thus kills off bme, aiui | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG | well bme is off when it's supposed to read | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you take care to modprobe -r the module before bme is stated, you might get away with it | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | started* | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you need some proper method to make *sure* it gets removed | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might even need a wrapper around bme | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | to remove it on start | 04:54 |
| * merlin1991 suggests a modprobe -r && rm module && force reboot | 04:54 | |
| merlin1991 | :D | 04:54 |
| merlin1991 | aside from that, hf and gn | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: haha. On a serious note, it doesn't help to remove the module in you app when your app segfaults | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | also you may run into trouble when other apps or modules keep that module open, so you can't unload it | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a really nasty situation, and we say "THANK YOU bme, THANK YOU Nokia" | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw I seem to recall that module is really poor design also. I never really evaluated the API (read /sys interface), but I guess I heard it's suboptimal to say sth polite | 04:58 |
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| MohammadAG | I need to hit the sack too :/ | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 04:59 |
| MohammadAG | Night DocScrutinizer | 04:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer goes watching TV then | 04:59 | |
| * MohammadAG wonders what other ways there are to read battery | 04:59 | |
| MohammadAG | oh well, tomorrow's another day | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | rrright | 04:59 |
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| MohammadAG | oh, i2c directly | 05:00 |
| MohammadAG | Night :) | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: see speedevil's simplified power script: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powerscript | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | else | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo Cannot find a way to read the charge meter. | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo Either i2ctools from extras-devel must be installed, or the power kernel with the bq27x00_battery module which normally accompanies it. | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo Exiting. | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | . | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | the crux is: as long as not all your apps and applets and daemons and whatnot are checking for both methods like that, you inevitable run into severe trouble eventually, as one single app loadong or unloading the module will break everything for the other apps depending on the now blocked method | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why you ***usually*** do such things via a dedicated userland driver (like hal-addon-bme), commonly known as 'middleware' | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo has a relatively poor and inconsistent concept of middleware | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | refer to freesmartphone.org for a rather good one | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | qt-mobility is lacking any middleware concept completely :-(( | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | instead it seems to me qtMob tries to implement middleware on a per-app basis, under user permissions, which MUST fail | 05:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly, a proper solution to deal with a bme-free system is to patch/rewrite hal-addon-bme to not taljk to bme anymore but instead to what that script does: check how to access bq27200 and get info from there directly | 05:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer has nfc id hal-addon-bme is open - guess it's not | 05:32 | |
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| * Dhraakellian sees a new cssu release | 10:21 | |
| * Dhraakellian does not see a changelog | 10:21 | |
| * Dhraakellian thinks he'll just have to see what changes | 10:21 | |
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| Facaa_ | at least qt seems to be downgraded | 10:36 |
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| Jaffa | Dhraakellian: merlin1991 is working on a changelog | 11:04 |
| Jaffa | Qt is back down to 4.7.0 + patches | 11:04 |
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| MohammadAG | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mp-fremantle-community-pr/blobs/master/debian/changelog#line1 | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | although that's not _the_ changelog | 13:15 |
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| Arkenoi | "Not enough space in application install memory" refers to what? root fs? | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG | /home afaik | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | apparently it's a bug in hildon-application-manager | 13:27 |
| Arkenoi | how to work around it? | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr is a way | 13:31 |
| Jaffa | Is there still a Maemo-Required-Free-Space header in the package? | 13:43 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, no | 13:46 |
| * MohammadAG checks | 13:46 | |
| MohammadAG | nope, no header | 13:46 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: hildon-desktop on gitorious isn't up to date | 14:27 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: wich patches did you apply to the 4.7.0 qt? | 14:42 |
| merlin1991 | anything else beside the portrait launch patch? | 14:43 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ^^ need the 2 above things then I can finish the changelog, do it :D | 14:45 |
| merlin1991 | well I applied the changelog http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#PR_1.3.3.7-9 | 15:05 |
| merlin1991 | h-d and qt need update | 15:05 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: There's still the libqt4-test breakage? | 15:44 |
| Jaffa | Ah, no. Good. Khweeteur's latest version doesn't pull in python-qt4 | 15:44 |
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| Khertan | Hello | 17:11 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG: just reinstalled cssu, and cssu 15, you revert to qt 4.7.0 finally ? | 17:12 |
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| teve | Khertan: 11:04 < Jaffa> Qt is back down to 4.7.0 + patches | 17:16 |
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| Khertan | thx teve. | 17:18 |
| Khertan | teve: i ask because i didn't see any commit about this in https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/commits/master | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: has mohammad asked you about your notion regarding make-optional yet? | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | NAFAIK | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggested to allow user to select default camera-ui | 18:55 |
| Arkenoi | seems that camkeyd does not work properly with cssu, it always calls camera ui | 18:56 |
| Sc0rpius | DocScrutinizer, you think "new" camera-ui is buggy? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | easy to implement with a symlink plus a tiny script with two icons, a bit tricky about packaging | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for those updating the cake is eaten, as stock camera-ui.launcher binary is already gone, ans MohammadAG says no way back (except reflashing) | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | for new users I'd consider it a step direction stability, as you always have a supposedly working fallback | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | we'd need either find a way to avoid cssu cam-ui uninstalling stock binary, or we need a lil patch to cssu-installer doing a backup of the binary prior to it getting deleted by apt | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: for details see chanlog like ~18h ago | 19:01 |
| * Sc0rpius still wonders if new camera-ui is that bad | 19:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Sc0rpius: it's not a question if it is actually bad, it's a question about risk management | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | and stability / safe fallback creating convenience | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's a complete rewrite - you should expect a few nasty bugs shining up | 19:05 |
| Sc0rpius | I guess, yes | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a poor "solution" to tell users >reflash stock PR1.3. Or wait for next release, or maybe the one after next...< | 19:06 |
| Sc0rpius | but I think it's better so start from that point than to be stuck with the old camera-ui that will never be updated or open | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 19:07 |
| Sc0rpius | and if I have to vote for something, I'd vote to rewrite EVERYTHING and don't let anything closed | 19:07 |
| Sc0rpius | even if it's buggy. The choice would be install CSSU and go fully open (and fully buggy in the first stages) or just keep your stock Maemo | 19:07 |
| Sc0rpius | that's my opinion of course | 19:08 |
| Sc0rpius | at the end will be what the CSSU guys decide | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | but if it's so simple and easy to get an option for user to select his default, then why not implementing it as fast as possible, especially when there's no sane way to "recover" from an early adoption of cssu that will ultimately deinstall stock cam | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | you don't want to patronise users, do you? And we don't lose anything with keeping stock cam as an *option* you can switch forth to and back to cssu cam to your liking | 19:10 |
| Sc0rpius | maybe. In your particular case you can ask somebody with PR1.3 to send you the binary right? | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's o option for ~2 mio potential users though | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | no* | 19:12 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm not saying that's the solution for the end user, but to you, in particular, DocScrutinizer, it seems you're pissed off stuck with new camera-ui :) | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I haven't even installed it yet :-) | 19:13 |
| Sc0rpius | heh so you don't actually know how buggy it is | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I'm reluctant to do, unless I know my way back | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, I don't know if and how it's buggy. It just sounds friggin awesome | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm eager to give it a test, but not at the penalty of a one-way ticket | 19:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course I need no script and no icons, now that I checked the case and came up with the solution. But I feel it should go into CSSU for regular users, as it's a polite thing to do | 19:16 |
| merlin1991 | hm is there some way to get the bugtracker send me a mail if there is a new bug on the cssu reported? | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I offered to provide the scripts part, somebody else has to deal with packaging | 19:18 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: Yes, watch the community-ssu@bugs.maemo email address | 19:18 |
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| merlin1991 | Jaffa: new_watchedusers: | 19:21 |
| merlin1991 | community-ssu@bugs.maemo.org did not match anything | 19:21 |
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| MohammadAG | Khertan, I plan to push 4.7.4 after fixing the raster bug | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | and better testing | 19:57 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: h-d sources to gitorious and wich patches did you apply to 4.7.0 besides the portrait launch patch? | 19:57 |
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| TurboVomit | the open multimedia player is for the next realease ? | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | not until it's feature complete with the old one | 20:06 |
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| * merlin1991 wonders if MohammadAG did /ignore merlin1991 | 20:14 | |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, no, just replying to many places so I forgot that "/ | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, Khertan's setX/Y patch | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | it's a merge request on git | 20:15 |
| merlin1991 | I'll find it | 20:15 |
| merlin1991 | whatabout the h-d sources? | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | it's there afaik | 20:16 |
| merlin1991 | nope: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/debian/changelog | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, F5 | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG | didn't Laughingstok "sell" his N900? | 20:17 |
| merlin1991 | okay time to write h-d changelog | 20:17 |
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| TurboVomit | MohammadAG: Ok, thank you. | 20:19 |
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| Jaffa | merlin1991: Just look at the default CC. It's actually general@maemo5-community-ssu.garage.bugs | 21:13 |
| Jaffa | merlin1991: It's not a valid email address - no .maemo.org | 21:13 |
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| merlin1991 | thx jaffa | 21:14 |
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| Jaffa | merlin1991: np | 21:15 |
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| paiburio | MohammadAG: About bug 11990: I just built a fresh clone of CSSU/hildon-home, works for me.. | 21:30 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11990 resize patch against PR1.3 hildon-home | 21:30 |
| paiburio | I'll try to hang out here, in case there is anything I can help with. | 21:30 |
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