| Sc0rpius | Venezuela | 00:00 |
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| Sc0rpius | GMT-4:30 | 00:00 |
| merlin_1991 | :) | 00:00 |
| merlin_1991 | Sc0rpius, to spare you some fun here's my /etc/apt/mirror.list that crates a clone of cssu extras and extras-devel | 00:07 |
| merlin_1991 | http://pastebin.com/gXHyUXPH | 00:07 |
| merlin_1991 | especially the -armel part took me some time to find out, I had the weirdest errors :D | 00:08 |
| * Sc0rpius checks | 00:08 | |
| Sc0rpius | well yeah first time I read deb-armel | 00:09 |
| merlin_1991 | apt-mirror only reported some really weird errors that were related to the fact it looked for the 64bit files, but it was not telling me that at all :D | 00:10 |
| merlin_1991 | also when you do it on debian "su apt-mirror" before you start invoking apt-mirror :) | 00:11 |
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| Sc0rpius | sudo apt-mirror ? | 00:11 |
| merlin_1991 | nope su | 00:11 |
| merlin_1991 | to switch to the user apt-mirror | 00:12 |
| Sc0rpius | then I would need a user apt-mirror | 00:12 |
| merlin_1991 | it get's autogenerated when you install the package apt-mirror | 00:12 |
| Sc0rpius | ok | 00:12 |
| Sc0rpius | I use Ubuntu 10.04.2 kinda the same thing as Debian | 00:12 |
| merlin_1991 | only it's *evil* ;) | 00:12 |
| * merlin_1991 just noticed the bug on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, awesome :) | 00:14 | |
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| merlin_1991 | changelog is updated | 00:27 |
| * merlin_1991 reports that orientation lock is awesome | 00:28 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | eeek a maemo-CSSU update in HAM... What to do now?!?? | 02:01 |
| Sc0rpius | not install it | 02:02 |
| Sc0rpius | until tomorrow | 02:02 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good point | 02:02 |
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| Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: any news the palette patch for osso-xterm? | 09:03 |
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| AsiQue | macmaN: i think its... ~ infront of the name | 13:44 |
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| magnunor | Anyone knows if there has been any changes to the "Phone" program in the community SSU? | 15:02 |
| andre__ | magnunor, isn't it closed source? | 15:05 |
| magnunor | I think so, the reason I'm asking is I can't make any phone calls since I installed the Community SSU | 15:06 |
| andre__ | what does "can't make any phone calls" exactly mean? what are the steps and the outcome? | 15:06 |
| andre__ | cellular, or also SIP? | 15:06 |
| magnunor | Just tried cellular, getting "General error", or "Number not in use" | 15:07 |
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| macmaN | AsiQue: can you remind me what you were responding to | 15:08 |
| magnunor | Not certain if the community ssu caused it, but the I could phone normally before I installed it | 15:08 |
| magnunor | Using cellular: I try placing a call. I wait about 10-20 seconds, the status shows "Calling". Then I get the "Number not in use", "General error" or "Call not established" | 15:11 |
| magnunor | SMS still works | 15:16 |
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| thp | magnunor: try rebooting the phone, take out the battery + sim then put it back in. also try the sim in a different device if possible | 15:27 |
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| magnunor | False alarm: seems like there was a very local disruption in the local cellular network | 15:36 |
| magnunor | Good example on why correlation does not equal causality :) | 15:39 |
| thp | andre__: ping | 15:40 |
| andre__ | thp, pong | 15:40 |
| thp | is https://bugs.maemo.org/robots.txt intentional or just a bugzilla default config? | 15:40 |
| thp | because i could imagine a google site: search on bugs.maemo.org could be helpful, but that robots exclusion prevents that | 15:41 |
| andre__ | no idea, I've never cared about such stuff :) | 15:41 |
| thp | http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Abugs.maemo.org | 15:41 |
| andre__ | I know that google did index a few months ago | 15:43 |
| andre__ | I didn't change it myself, maybe X-Fade or somebody had good reasons for it (performance, spamming, or whatever) | 15:43 |
| thp | should i send a mail to maemo-developers@ or what's the best place for discussing this with the target of getting bug pages indexed again? | 15:44 |
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| andre__ | thp: talking to X-Fade right now... | 16:08 |
| andre__ | allowing http*://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=* should be enough I guess | 16:08 |
| andre__ | and yes, it seems to be the default, former got lost when updating to 3.4 | 16:09 |
| thp | ok, sounds good :) | 16:09 |
| thp | maybe also (only?) the short variand /(\d+) (numeric short url) | 16:09 |
| thp | ugh. | 16:09 |
| thp | "variant" ;) | 16:09 |
| andre__ | thp: https://bugs.maemo.org/robots.txt | 16:09 |
| thp | nice one! thanks a lot :) | 16:10 |
| merlin1991 | hm I need a cloak | 16:12 |
| merlin1991 | we should have cssu cloaks :D | 16:12 |
| AsiQue | macmaN: i thought you were trying to ask the bot when someone was last connected... forget about it.. my bad... | 16:13 |
| macmaN | AsiQue: ah yes, i was looking for slono | 16:14 |
| thp | merlin1991: ask jaffa, afaik he's responsible for setting them | 16:14 |
| macmaN | i had to reboot my server and i dont log everything in irssi | 16:14 |
| merlin1991 | Jaffa: ping | 16:14 |
| macmaN | so i couldnt scroll back to see what i asked :) | 16:14 |
| thp | (if by cloak you mean IRC cloak and not the clothing part ;) | 16:15 |
| thp | macmaN: afaik this channel is logged :) | 16:15 |
| merlin1991 | hehe :D | 16:15 |
| thp | macmaN: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | 16:16 |
| thp | on the other hand, maemo-ssu cloaks (the clothing thingies) would be awesome. jaffa should sew some of those ;) | 16:16 |
| macmaN | tru dat | 16:16 |
| RST38h | I would suggest maemo-ssu-branded lock picks instead | 16:17 |
| merlin1991 | thp: then I would have a reason to show up @ metalab one day | 16:17 |
| RST38h | or maybe crowbars | 16:17 |
| merlin1991 | to show off my awesome cloak since I have nothing else to show :D | 16:17 |
| thp | merlin1991: pyugat next wednesday would also be a good reason ;) | 16:18 |
| thp | kelvan is going to demo his pythonesque wiener linien html scraping tool. | 16:18 |
| merlin1991 | I guess I could come and watch the fun, what time is it? | 16:19 |
| thp | RST38h: why lock picks? | 16:19 |
| thp | merlin1991: 19:00 - http://pyug.at/ for the details | 16:19 |
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| Jaffa | Af'noon | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | thp: merline1991: X-Fade has handled the #maemo cloaks | 16:45 |
| thp | merlin1991: ^ | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | Thanks | 16:46 |
| thp | Jaffa: don't you have tab expansion of usernames in your irc lient? ;) | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | Silly typo | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | thp: I do. Dunno why I didn't use it | 16:46 |
| * Jaffa goes for blaming GSM SSH | 16:46 | |
| thp | there's even a irssi script for tab expansion of all words said in the channel | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | Neat. Probably | 16:47 |
| thp | Jaffa: http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2008/12/07/mikas-advent-calendar-day-7-irssi-backlog-completion/ | 16:47 |
| thp | if you are using irssi, that is | 16:48 |
| Jaffa | I am | 16:48 |
| * MohammadAG uses xchat *gasp* | 16:48 | |
| MohammadAG | evening | 16:48 |
| * Jaffa wants an iPad 2 toy :-/ | 16:49 | |
| MohammadAG | seriously? :P | 16:49 |
| * merlin1991 uses quassel since today | 16:49 | |
| Jaffa | My name is Jaffa. I'm tempted by the shiny. I have a problem. | 16:49 |
| thp | why iPad 2? apart from the form factor? | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | heh, I love my eye candy too, but it's not a reason I'd get an iPad :D | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | I'd be more interested in something like the Ideapad | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | thp: Form factpr, polish and price point for capability at low end. | 16:51 |
| thp | well, the problem with the ideapad is that it's thick and has a fan (and not in the "aficionado" sense) | 16:51 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, I wouldn't want something bigger or heavier than an iPad (e.g. fofr conference attending, when OI don't have a laptop) | 16:51 |
| lcuk | I am drawn to the noteslate for writing tasks. the ideapad with its capacitive makes a great side display for the playground and my handset is well, my handset | 16:51 |
| lcuk | that noteslate looks like a device in need of an os | 16:52 |
| thp | what's noteslate? | 16:52 |
| thp | Jaffa: true, the form factor is nice, but without a physical keyboard it's really a consumption tool in my opinion | 16:52 |
| thp | at least until they come up with some great virtual keyboard concept with awesome tactile feedback | 16:53 |
| thp | or speech input, as android has | 16:53 |
| lcuk | do not underestimate how much you can do without typing. | 16:53 |
| Jaffa | thp:@That's why the o" screen is more interesting than the more portable Galaxy Tab | 16:53 |
| * lcuk remembers adding vkb to liqbase for 1 input field | 16:53 | |
| Jaffa | s/o"/9"/ | 16:53 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: SSH is one of my main N900 usages after IM | 16:54 |
| Jaffa | e.g. now :) | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | btw, isn't the Galaxy old now? | 16:54 |
| thp | define "old" | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | replaced by a successor | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | the N900 still isn't old in my book | 16:55 |
| lcuk | the Universe! | 16:55 |
| thp | lcuk: yes, you can do great things like drawing, but making the accumulated data searchable is hard and requires handwriting recognition | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | (sure, the specs are, but there's no device that's better imo) | 16:55 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: The Tab 2 has been announced. Dunno if it's released. Played with one here and it's still fast & fluid. | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | and the Android community probably lacks something similar to lcuk's sense of humor | 16:56 |
| Jaffa | But I don't want to be paying for separate 3_, so low end iPad (especially if bought in US in May ;-)) is comparatively cheap | 16:56 |
| lcuk | :O | 16:56 |
| thp | (protip: "_" is on the "G" key on the N900, if you are wondering what 3_ means) | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | Anyone who wants a CSSU cloak, email me at andrew@bleb.org | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | thp: thanks :) | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, was referring to the phone actually :) | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | re <Jaffa> Anyone who wants a CSSU cloak, email me - please include a complete copy of /nameserver info <your_user_name> as that's the info needed for issuing a cloak | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually /msg nickserv info <your_user_name> | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | which cloak do I get to keep? :P | 17:11 |
| merlin1991 | I can't keep any cloak so I'm looking forward to my cloak :D | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: [2011-03-10 16:00:27] * DocScrutinizer just wonders why CSSU needs own cloaks. Not that it matters... | 17:15 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, they wouldn't hurt I guess | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you noticed you can have only one cloak | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer: Might not be CSSU specific, just an inclusion in the /contributor namespace | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ack | 17:28 |
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| anidel | About the orientation Lock.. I see apps still receive the turning event and react accordingly.. in my case Xournal changes toolbar as it thinks it's about to turn | 17:48 |
| anidel | mmm | 17:49 |
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| MohammadAG | anidel, sadly, some apps are listening to mce directly, instead of behaving according to screen changes | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | microB is another one | 19:33 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: let's hijack mce ;) | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, stop mce and manual polling ftw!!1! | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the problem with mce, orientation, and locking it, is simply the missing distinguishing between physical reports as seen by accelerometer and the way/signal/flag that is telling "this is the preferred orientation now". | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually the one is an abstraction of the other, and there shaould've been according advice for app devels from beginning. Think of it like using hildon-input-method (which knows about kbd layout, vkbd, etc) versus scanning hw keyboard directly or using raw keycodes | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | to sanitize such situation, you generally first have to make sure your abstract interface is well designed and feature complete, then fix each single app that doesn't use this interface, either by patching the source or by other means like patched libs (LDPRELOAD) - in this case to cut the link between the app and mce. | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Any modification of the deprecated mce API would be possible only if you could make 100% sure that ALL apps using it are doing wrong, or alternatively you can switch all apps that use that mce interface for some good reason, so they use a new interface and you can modify the semantics of the abused old interface - all in one moment aka system update | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I gather the manual polling suggestion was a joke, as it is exactly what you *absolutely* don't want to do | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yes, it was, I don't normally use "!!!1ONE!" :P | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | we should start with step one of the approach sketched above: check if our interface is feature complete and bugfree and extensible | 20:22 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: you even did it wrong, it's supposed to be !!!!111einseinseinself | 20:25 |
| thp | hmm. listening to *window size* changes does the trick for me | 20:28 |
| thp | there's one component that kind of talks to mce or just sets the "automatic" flag, but the part that actually relayouts windows is solely based on window configure events (i.e. window size is about to change) | 20:29 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, some apps listen to mce and change layout accordingly | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | microB for example, it shows the three buttons and goes in fullscreen mode | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | even if the window doesn't rotate | 20:48 |
| thp | strange. that's much harder than just listening to window size changes ;) | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, it also checks a gconf value for keyboard slides | 20:49 |
| anidel | MohammadAG, and what would be the best way to listen to screen changes? I followed the Documentation at that time | 20:54 |
| anidel | sorry,speaking about rotation | 20:54 |
| RST38h | Mohammad:Haven't included the modified apt into CSSU yet?;) | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | Gdk.screenSizeChanged()? or whatever it's called | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, nah, should I? | 20:57 |
| anidel | will look into that | 20:58 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Yeah,why not =) | 20:58 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Some Nokia suits may get a bit pissed though | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | doubtful, it was there just to prevent piracy when the ovi store had paid debs on the apt repo | 20:58 |
| RST38h | How does it work now? | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | debs stored somewhere with temporary links | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | though that link I had worked for 3 months | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | expired after 5 downloads though... | 21:00 |
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