IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Saturday, 2011-02-26

arceanMohammadAG, yeah i'm working on it00:01
arceanbut, as for now, i'm trying to fix portrait mode for pdf viewer00:01
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MohammadAGSc0rpius, possible workaround for half-cut text in portrait mode (New Message view) is to set the pannable area to scroll horizontally00:09
MohammadAGwhich works well, shall I commit?00:09
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JaffaMorning, all11:04
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JaffaSc0rpius: Toolbar thoughts for Modest: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=955748&postcount=131811:24
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JaffaMy attempt at gimping up the background for portrait mode HAM: http://twitpic.com/43wtqe12:07
JaffaSee bug 1198612:07
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11986 Add "alpha" and "beta" theme portrait versions of Application Manager's background12:07
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Jaffahttp://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager/merge_requests/2 - portrait support for HAM for the two built-in themes13:58
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MohammadAGJaffa, cool14:01
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merlin1991Jaffa, MohammadAG what do you think of this layout for the changelog? http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog_layouttest14:36
* MohammadAG wonders where those yellow notifications are14:36
Lava_Croftthat will become a rather large page14:37
Lava_CroftMohammadAG: I have to admit, the zoom_on_press is pretty damn neat once you get used to it14:38
MohammadAGnah, we'll all go away when the next WP7 device comes out14:38
Lava_Croftit provides a very good feedback14:38
MohammadAG:P14:38
MohammadAGmerlin1991, cool14:38
Lava_Croftnow my iphone toting wife wants it too14:38
MohammadAGmerlin1991, maybe add Packages | changes?14:38
MohammadAG(to the top table)14:38
Lava_Croftwont that page become really long after a while?14:39
Lava_Croftmaybe split it up in several pages by then14:39
merlin1991Lava_Croft, compare it to14:39
merlin1991http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog14:39
merlin1991it's actually shorter than the current version14:39
merlin1991MohammadAG, just the top table or all tables? dunno what would be better14:40
Lava_CroftIm not comparing it to the original, i was talking in general14:40
Lava_Croftit certainly is better than the original, far more readable14:40
merlin1991yea it's true the we eventally have to move to seperate pages14:41
merlin1991but atm it isn't too much information so I'd like to keep it in one place14:41
Lava_Croftyeah14:42
Lava_Croftmaybe link to the features page where thp's patches for transitions.ini are mentioned14:43
Lava_Croftthat way you can skip the one-sentence tutorial14:44
merlin1991MohammadAG, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog_layouttest#PR_1.3.3.7-114:46
Jaffamerlin1991: It looks, erm, a little blank to me15:13
merlin1991Jaffa, I moved it into the main one already :)15:14
merlin1991http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog15:14
Jaffamerlin1991: Ah :-)15:14
merlin1991I'm open for critique :)15:15
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Jaffamerlin1991: See http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog_layouttest15:17
Jaffamerlin1991: I've included the "internal" version as a title to the table, and specified a width on the package column. That'd mean each of the tables would have the same ratio15:17
Jaffamerlin1991: I'd also suggest that the packages were listed in alphabetical order for each version?\15:18
merlin199110-4 on all of that :)15:22
merlin1991but now I have to go for lunch, I'll add that changes afterwards15:23
JaffaMohammadAG: thp: Added a patch which can be cleanly applied against Conversations' CSS on bug 1197615:29
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11976 viewing sms conversations in portrait mode without horizontal scrolling (patch)15:29
merlin1991crap, I'm getting old, found a white hair on my head :/16:14
merlin1991and I'm not even 20 ffs16:14
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merlin1991Jaffa, what resolution is your screen?16:22
MohammadAGJaffa, hmm, why is beta-background 800x424?16:26
MohammadAGnoticed it after the merge16:26
Jaffamerlin1991: which screen'16:29
merlin1991the one you work with, I wonder how well the layout works on lower resolution16:29
JaffaMohammadAG: Oh, hmm16:29
Jaffamerlin1991: Usually my browser window is about 1000x1000px16:30
JaffaMohammadAG: is it not 480x724?16:31
JaffaMohammadAG: I could've copied the wrong file16:31
merlin1991Jaffa I've fixed the column width, but I didn't add the "internal" version to the table header because this way we'd have a huge space after the version headline16:36
merlin1991and atm I'm tackling the alphabetic order :)16:37
JaffaMohammadAG: Bollocks. Copied the original background file.16:37
MohammadAGJaffa, heh16:39
JaffaMohammadAG: I'll get the new one. Hell, I may even do it properly rather than just re-tinting the 'alpha' one16:41
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merlin1991packages are in alphabetical order now :)16:45
Jaffamerlin1991: Cool16:46
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merlin1991MohammadAG, you might want to try to push libaboutcssu to gitorious again17:14
MohammadAGpushed17:15
merlin1991thx17:15
MohammadAGpushed HAM17:16
merlin1991waah git source is out of sync with repository source17:21
merlin1991or in other words, the updated debian changelog commit on ham is older than the bg commit :D17:21
MohammadAG:/17:21
merlin1991now it looks like the bg is already part of 1:2.2.72-317:22
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MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ dmesg | grep "NVRM: os_raise_smp_barrier(), invalid context\!" | wc -l17:23
MohammadAG22817:23
MohammadAGgrr17:23
merlin1991what is os_raise_smp_barrier() even?17:24
MohammadAGsomething caused by nvidia drivers17:28
Venemowhy the hell does the community ssu enabler open HAM?17:28
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MohammadAGcause users have to use HAM for updates17:29
Venemowut? why?17:29
merlin1991fapman doesn't act properly17:29
VenemoI want apt-get17:30
MohammadAGhave a look at the thread on tmo, I doubt those users can apt-get17:30
MohammadAGyou're free to killall apt-worker and use apt-gt17:30
MohammadAGget17:30
Venemoyou are right17:30
Venemo:P17:30
VenemoI have some improvement ideas for HAM btw17:31
* MohammadAG wonders how to cleanly exit X17:31
Venemokillall Xorg17:31
merlin1991MohammadAG, /sbin/poweroff ;)17:31
MohammadAGthat restarts it Venemo17:31
MohammadAGmerlin1991, I still want the laptop to be on :p17:31
Venemois that okay if my N900 reboots after the CSSU is installed?17:31
MohammadAGYou appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing.17:31
MohammadAGHAM reboots it, yes17:32
Venemogreat17:32
MohammadAGit should actually warn you17:32
Venemowhere is my desktop press feedback?17:32
MohammadAGread warnings, they're not the usual Yada yada17:32
MohammadAGedit transitions.ini17:32
JaffaVenemo: Enabled through transitions.ini17:32
Venemobtw, I discovered that if I only leave 2 repos active, HAM is a lot faster17:33
MohammadAGsure, it has to parse less lists17:33
Venemoalso, I have some improvement ideas for it17:33
MohammadAGJaffa, do you know C/Gtk?17:33
JaffaMohammadAG: I know both separately ;-)17:33
MohammadAGso if I supposedly implement forced rotation with gconf, can you handle the status menu plugin?17:34
MohammadAG(orientation lock that is)17:34
Venemowhere is the transitions.ini exactly?17:35
MohammadAG/usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini17:35
JaffaMohammadAG: So, not the same as forcerotation=1 in transitions.ini? This is preventing apps which support switching from switching? But those that don't stay in their natural orientation?17:36
* Jaffa also thought about looking at h-d forcerotation=2 (proposed new default, which means "do it for closed source apps we know it works on, from whitelist"17:36
MohammadAGJaffa, more like force to landscape, force to portrait, or auto17:36
Venemoand where's this effect in that file?17:37
MohammadAGzoom_on_press17:37
MohammadAGin [home]17:37
MohammadAGforce to landscape and auto are easiest to implement obviously17:37
JaffaMohammadAG: I don't want that ;-) I want a proper orientation lock for the apps which support it. Not force to portrait for everything. I'd be reluctant to expose "force portrait" in places we know it'll be broken...17:38
arceanit would be possible to provide patched Hildon FM library?17:38
MohammadAGJaffa, force landscape and auto then17:39
Venemoha!17:39
Venemoblurless rulz17:39
MohammadAGJaffa, same as with the iPhone, it locks to default orientation (though it's portrait in the iPhone's case)17:39
MohammadAGit's landscape in ours17:39
MohammadAGarcean, sure, it's FOSS after all17:39
arceanas it would be nice if we could patch HildonFileDetailsDialog (for horizontal scrolling)17:39
arceanit's used in osso-pdv-viewer and i'm sure many others17:40
arceans/pdv/pdf17:40
MohammadAG  guint                 hibernation_key;17:43
MohammadAG  gboolean              can_hibernate : 1;17:43
MohammadAGinteresting17:43
MohammadAGhd-comp-mgr.c: In function 'lp_forecast':18:06
MohammadAGhd-comp-mgr.c:1083: warning: suggest parentheses around && within ||18:06
* MohammadAG wonders what that means18:06
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MohammadAGah, a warning18:08
MohammadAGdamn -Werror18:08
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arceanok, we have fully working osso-pdf-viewer in portrait mode18:19
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arceanlater, i'll create repo@gitorious and commit changes18:20
JaffaMohammadAG: Attached fixed background to bug 1198618:21
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11986 Add "alpha" and "beta" theme portrait versions of Application Manager's background18:21
Jaffaarcean: Cool18:22
Jaffaarcean: Can you find the original PR1.3 sources (preferably in git, or at least the source package) for MohammadAG to import?18:22
MohammadAGsource package is probably in maemo's repos, not sure if a git page exists18:23
JaffaIndeed. Not sure I've seen one18:24
* MohammadAG wonders how this priv thing works in C18:24
arceanMohammadAG: you will have to rebuild libcomapp as osso-pdf-viewer needs libcomapp0-dev18:25
arceanwhich is not available in our repos18:25
MohammadAGarcean, raise a bug or just send me URLs18:29
MohammadAGif I want to use gconf several times in a file, shouldn't I put it in the private part?18:30
MohammadAGJaffa, orientation lock working, wanna make a single check button in the status menu to enable/disable it?18:47
MohammadAGit's landscape only of course18:47
MohammadAGthp, are you aware of any method that can refresh the window rotation?18:50
MohammadAGsomething that can be connected to gconf's value changed signal18:50
JaffaMohammadAG: Will look at doing so18:57
MohammadAGJaffa, looking into it atm18:57
MohammadAGJaffa, I was thinking of a checkbox, but that would look ugly18:57
MohammadAGJaffa, so I thought of a Hildon Button (with value showing lock status)18:57
thpMohammadAG: haven't found something, but check what the handler for ctrl+shift+r does18:58
MohammadAGvalue = Hildon Button Value, or whatever it's called18:58
thp(as it somehow has to "recalculate" the rotation from the flags on the window)18:58
MohammadAGgood point18:58
MohammadAGthanks :)18:58
thp:)19:00
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arceanMohammadAG: source of osso-pdf-viewer: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/o/osso-pdf-viewer/19:08
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arceanand libcomapp: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/libc/libcomapp/19:13
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MohammadAGJaffa, can you come up with an icon for the status bar?20:01
MohammadAGsomething that indicates status in the bar (next to clock)20:01
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MohammadAGJaffa, thp http://i53.tinypic.com/23ixqmh.jpg20:07
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thpMohammadAG: cool :) a special icon would be nice20:39
MohammadAGthp, I'm no designer :)20:40
thpMohammadAG: ask wazd :)20:40
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MohammadAGthp, haven't seen wazd here in a while :)20:42
thpMohammadAG: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thp4/5479679260/20:42
MohammadAGthe iPhone's one looks better than Android's :P (that is android right?)20:43
thpyep, that's android. how does the iOS one look?20:44
thpthis one? http://media.tech-recipes.com/rx_images/iphone/ios4/iphone-lock-orientation.png20:44
MohammadAGwhy do I even bother taking a pic, iOS has a lot of screenshots20:45
Lava_Croft:>20:45
Lava_Crofti just thought the same20:45
MohammadAGthere's also an icon at the top20:46
MohammadAGcan't find that on google, lol20:47
MohammadAGoh cool, screenshot support in iOS, didn't know about that20:47
Lava_Crofti generally find ios a better experience than android20:47
Lava_Croftsmoother20:47
MohammadAGiOS is smoother than all OSs20:48
MohammadAGbut it's not as productive tbh20:48
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MohammadAGthp, http://i55.tinypic.com/fdex01.jpg20:48
Lava_Croftits good at what it does, only it doesnt do a whole lot20:48
Lava_Croftthe games on it are becoming nicer and nicer tho20:49
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MohammadAGgames aren't part of an OS though :)20:49
Lava_Croftyeah, but they are basically the only reason i touch iphones20:49
Lava_Croft:)20:49
MohammadAGNokia's decision pretty much killed games games on MeeGo I guess20:49
MohammadAGwasn't EA interested in MeeGo?20:50
Lava_Croftno idea20:50
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JaffaMohammadAG: How big are status area icons?20:54
MohammadAGhmm, not sure, sec20:54
MohammadAG18x18 it seems20:55
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JaffaOK.20:55
* MohammadAG double checks20:55
MohammadAGyeah, 18x1820:56
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JaffaPresumably we want one for locked landscape and one for locked portrait (future use)20:56
MohammadAG48x48 for the menu icons20:56
JaffaAnd nothing for auto20:56
MohammadAGyep20:56
MohammadAGwe need one for the menu20:56
MohammadAGit doesn't have to be dynamic20:56
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MohammadAGJaffa, one question, how do we patch something if it was changed?21:24
MohammadAGI mean, what if someone changed the conversation files21:25
JaffaMohammadAG: You mean if someone... ah21:25
JaffaMohammadAG: Patch might fail (might not). Dunno what we should do.21:25
MohammadAGJaffa, patch will fail if it's a major rewrite21:25
MohammadAGmd5sum checks?21:26
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JaffaMohammadAG: Ooh, good idea.21:26
MohammadAGwe don't want postinst to fail if the md5sum check failed21:26
JaffaOriginals are:21:26
Jaffaandrew@serenity:~/src/scratchbox/cssu/rtcom-messaging-ui-patch/orig$ md5sum *21:26
Jaffa7a1916040f70b1052c50ed3d1951085a  MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.css21:26
Jaffab831e3abe684d3f1199e6d34cbaeba60  MessagingWidgetsSMSConversation.css21:26
MohammadAGotherwise, we're pissing off a lot of users because of failed installs21:27
JaffaYeah, if modified, assume they already work21:27
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MohammadAGyep21:27
MohammadAGin postinst, we can check for modified md5sums21:27
MohammadAGpostrm*21:27
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MohammadAGor we could store the modified md5sum somewhere and check that in postrm21:28
MohammadAGthough a patch on a correct MD5 should result in the same modified md521:28
JaffaMohammadAG: Sent email with icons21:31
JaffaDunno what they look like on-screen.21:34
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Jaffa48x48 icons now sent21:53
MohammadAGawesome21:55
JaffaNot sure about the curve, but I like the concept.21:55
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MohammadAGI actually like portrait + landscape ones, auto, not very sure users would understand it21:57
MohammadAGalso, shouldn't we have a lock for portrait + landscape?21:57
JaffaYou mean a padlock?21:57
MohammadAGgeneral_locked http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Maemo_5_Icon_List/html/control_panel.html21:58
JaffaPerhaps. Maybe my shite ones will pull a wazd or similar out of the woodwork ;-)21:59
MohammadAGso he's still with maemo? :)22:00
JaffaWho knows22:00
MohammadAGJaffa, tbh, I think it's a long time away from portrait lock22:04
MohammadAGwe can't add it until the desktop supports portrait22:05
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JaffaMohammadAG: Sure we can. Anything that supports portrait is locked to it, anything which doesn't isn't. The desktop is included in the latter for now23:48
MohammadAGwell, we'll see about that23:49
MohammadAGjust experimenting with portrait hildon-home23:49
JaffaOh. Intriguing.23:50
JaffaHow are you thinking of tackling the relayout? Divide in two, anything with originX <= 400 goes on the top; anything originX > 400 goes on bottom?23:51
JaffaActually, that'd work better than I thought, because the width'll be 480, rather than 400. I'd thought that icons in the middle would be half off the screen, but they wouldn't.23:52
MohammadAGI'm not thinking about that atm :P23:53
MohammadAGjust trying to get a concept23:53

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