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Sc0rpius | as usual, it's very quiet in here | 04:22 |
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MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, yeah | 04:27 |
MohammadAG | dput's failing on me, X-Fade, is there a different way to upload packages | 04:27 |
Sc0rpius | I see other people are reporting bad battery life | 04:34 |
Sc0rpius | I wish I could find the reason, everyday I try something different | 04:35 |
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MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, problem with people is that they don't narrow down their problems | 04:41 |
MohammadAG | like, they install 10 apps along with the SSU and blame the SSU for problems | 04:42 |
MohammadAG | like the SMS one, we didn't touch any packages related to that... | 04:42 |
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Sc0rpius | yeah I know that | 04:46 |
Sc0rpius | but I'm wondering if Modest is the cause | 04:46 |
Sc0rpius | I'm testing heavily to find the cause | 04:47 |
Sc0rpius | I don't think it's hildon-desktop, since if I don't connect to a network (wifi/3G) I get excellent battery life | 04:47 |
Sc0rpius | but usually Wifi lasted like 2 days | 04:47 |
Sc0rpius | no it's likke half a day | 04:47 |
Sc0rpius | like | 04:47 |
MohammadAG | well | 04:50 |
MohammadAG | I have to figure out how to dput these packages | 04:50 |
MohammadAG | ssh: drop.maemo.org: Temporary failure in name resolution | 04:50 |
MohammadAG | lost connection | 04:50 |
Sc0rpius | I really really don't understand git sometimes | 04:57 |
Sc0rpius | Note: moving to "origin/tinymail-1-2" which isn't a local branch | 04:57 |
Sc0rpius | and I get a (no branch) abyss | 04:58 |
Sc0rpius | I guess I'm getting it now | 05:00 |
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Sc0rpius | well | 06:23 |
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Wikkie | 718-618-477 | 07:13 |
Sc0rpius | is that a SSN? | 07:16 |
Wikkie | fuck | 07:19 |
Sc0rpius | I think it was | 07:21 |
Wikkie | 718-618-4770 | 07:27 |
Sc0rpius | now that's a phone number | 07:27 |
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Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Since you're rapidly becoming "the Modest guy", want to have a look at https://bugs.maemo.org/3888#c48 | 12:20 |
povbot | Bug 3888: IMAP-IDLE not working | 12:20 |
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Sc0rpius | taking a look | 12:59 |
Venemo | hm | 13:00 |
Venemo | was the attachment functionality always wrong in Modest or did the CSSU mess it up? | 13:00 |
Sc0rpius | IMAP IDLE is not implemented in Modest as far as I know | 13:00 |
Sc0rpius | Venemo, good question, I haven't take a look at it yet | 13:00 |
Sc0rpius | but I have both Modest (3.4.8 & 3.90.7) installed so testing that is fairly easy for me | 13:01 |
Venemo | Sc0rpius: thing is, I just wanted to attach something to an email a day ago, and the attachment dialog wan't really working at all | 13:01 |
Venemo | Sc0rpius: could you please test for me? | 13:01 |
Sc0rpius | the dialog didn't work? | 13:01 |
Venemo | Sc0rpius: it was empty | 13:02 |
Venemo | Sc0rpius: interesting, right now the dialog works, but its title is a translation string and not an actual translation | 13:03 |
Sc0rpius | that bug is reported yeah | 13:03 |
Sc0rpius | the title being wrong | 13:03 |
Venemo | Sc0rpius: mcen_ia_select_attachment_title... | 13:03 |
Venemo | Sc0rpius: but I've no idea why it didn't work yesterday then | 13:03 |
Sc0rpius | yes that's the tag for the message | 13:03 |
Venemo | I also don't understand why modest is a piece o' crap generally | 13:04 |
Sc0rpius | heh maybe it wasn't tested enough | 13:05 |
Venemo | after clicking on my account (IMAP), the "inbox" folder doesn't even appear in the list, just after waiting a few minutes of modes doing Idunnowhat. | 13:05 |
Sc0rpius | but it works for me, it has never crashed on me | 13:05 |
Sc0rpius | ok that's normal, since it's IMAP, all your folders are remote | 13:05 |
Sc0rpius | so you have to wait until Modest read the folders from the server | 13:06 |
Venemo | so what then? it should show the local copy until it can't update. | 13:06 |
Sc0rpius | actually if you're not connected to a network and load Modest you won't see any folder in your account except the local folders | 13:06 |
Venemo | haha! | 13:06 |
Sc0rpius | I wonder if there's an actual local copy... | 13:06 |
Venemo | actually the devs of Modest didn't care about UI responsiveness at all, as it seems | 13:06 |
Venemo | just like the devs of HAM. | 13:06 |
Sc0rpius | the Modest 3.90.7 is very fast in UI responsiveness, but that folders issue is not an UI issue | 13:07 |
Venemo | Sc0rpius: it should be one. | 13:07 |
Venemo | Sc0rpius: it should cache the folder and show the contents of the cache until it can update from the server. | 13:08 |
Sc0rpius | it should, I agree | 13:08 |
Sc0rpius | I definitely can't read the Inbox if I'm offline | 13:09 |
Sc0rpius | the folders are cached | 13:10 |
Sc0rpius | it just doesn't show them | 13:10 |
Venemo | hehe | 13:10 |
Sc0rpius | you can see it in ~/.modest/cache/mail/imap | 13:11 |
Sc0rpius | but just the ones I have clicked on | 13:11 |
Sc0rpius | so actually it's just the messages that are cached, not the folders | 13:11 |
Venemo | Sc0rpius, I believe, I just find this ridiculous | 13:11 |
Venemo | I was working as a UI developer in my previous workplace, and I used to deal with exactly this kind of problems... :) | 13:12 |
Sc0rpius | well hmm yeah | 13:12 |
Sc0rpius | it's sad but the only ones that really implement IMAP correctly are Microsoft clients | 13:12 |
Sc0rpius | even Thunderbird does things wrong | 13:12 |
Venemo | Thunderbird is unfortunately a big piece o' crap :( | 13:12 |
Sc0rpius | yes it is | 13:13 |
Sc0rpius | last time I tried Thunderbird has the same problem: everytime I clicked on a message it redownloaded it | 13:13 |
Venemo | hehe | 13:13 |
Jaffa | There's a bug open about merging someone's offline IMAP patches | 13:13 |
Venemo | and unfortunately Microsoft made all their e-mail clients bloated, so... :( | 13:13 |
Jaffa | It hasn't got a translation for the property, but then lots of pieces of CSSU modest don't. | 13:13 |
Sc0rpius | yes Jaffa I see it, but I really wonder about power consumption with IDLE | 13:13 |
Venemo | Sc0rpius: what e-mail client do you use on your desktop btw? | 13:14 |
Sc0rpius | we could try it | 13:14 |
Sc0rpius | I use Windows Live Mail, not a heavy crap like Microsoft Outlook, and it works | 13:14 |
Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Yeah, IDLE's more risky; though pvanhoof's patches claim to rework it so it's better behaved. | 13:14 |
Sc0rpius | but, like I said before | 13:14 |
Sc0rpius | we'd need to include tinymail in CSSU | 13:14 |
Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Offline is interesting and could make a bit difference if network connection is spotty | 13:14 |
Sc0rpius | since the patches are from tinymail, not modest actually | 13:14 |
Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Not a problem | 13:14 |
Venemo | Sc0rpius: haha! latest version of WLM is also bloated :( | 13:15 |
Sc0rpius | and I had to patch tinymail anyway for the tree view | 13:15 |
Sc0rpius | Venemo: it works for me better than the last Outlook Express I tried | 13:15 |
Sc0rpius | and yeah offline is important | 13:15 |
Venemo | Sc0rpius: yes, because outlook express is deprecated anyway. | 13:15 |
Sc0rpius | I was thinking about that folder caching | 13:15 |
Jaffa | Sc0rpius: let's talk to MohammadAG about pulling in the tinymail from PR1.3 into gitorious.org/community-ssu | 13:15 |
Sc0rpius | I mean, since they are called "Windows Mail" they work | 13:16 |
Sc0rpius | that would be nice Jaffa | 13:16 |
Sc0rpius | just the tinymail-1-2 branch | 13:17 |
Venemo | is tinymail the lib under modest? | 13:17 |
Sc0rpius | the rest is totally useless | 13:17 |
Sc0rpius | yes | 13:17 |
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Jaffa | Venemo: Yes. | 13:18 |
Jaffa | andre___: ping | 13:19 |
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Sc0rpius | well the good news is that if Meego will ever exist as something decent for N900, Modest won't be there, since nobody will rewrite it in Qt hehehe | 13:22 |
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Sc0rpius | they should be already working on something new from scratch I guess, I dunno | 13:22 |
Jaffa | Sc0rpius: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11868 | 13:23 |
povbot | Bug 11868: Pull tinymail sources into gitorious.org/community-ssu | 13:23 |
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Jaffa | Sc0rpius: They could put tinymail under Qt Messaging | 13:23 |
Sc0rpius | I hope they won't | 13:24 |
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Sc0rpius | so Jaffa, how's your battery consumption with CSSU? you don't notice a difference? | 13:25 |
Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Oh, I'm fairly sure they won't | 13:25 |
Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Nope, noticing no difference | 13:25 |
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Sc0rpius | I see there's already a patch for the offline folders thing | 13:46 |
Sc0rpius | or somebody proposed one in bugzilla | 13:47 |
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Jaffa | Someone's found the commit which added the bottom button. | 13:50 |
Sc0rpius | that was me | 13:51 |
Sc0rpius | :S | 13:51 |
Jaffa | Cool :-) | 13:51 |
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Jaffa | Hello o/ | 13:51 |
Sc0rpius | \o | 13:52 |
Sc0rpius | I found it like 2 days ago and pasted here to anidel (I think he was looking for it) | 13:52 |
Sc0rpius | but he didn't read it (he left) | 13:53 |
Sc0rpius | but just now I realized there was a bug already filed for it | 13:53 |
MohammadAG | community-ssu-enabler updated | 13:54 |
MohammadAG | I need to check /etc/resolv.conf more often | 13:54 |
MohammadAG | or symlink the one in sbox to the one in the host system | 13:55 |
Sc0rpius | or run your own DNS server | 13:55 |
Sc0rpius | :P | 13:55 |
MohammadAG | hah | 13:55 |
MohammadAG | on a 3G modem :P | 13:55 |
Sc0rpius | I use the Googles server 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 they work everywhere :) | 13:56 |
MohammadAG | yeah, I use those too | 13:56 |
MohammadAG | but network manager autogenerates the file | 13:56 |
Jaffa | Sc0rpius: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs is a handy search for seeing which bugs are field, aren't duplicates or INVALID and haven't been shipped yet | 13:56 |
Sc0rpius | nice | 13:56 |
Sc0rpius | so MohammadAG, that update fixes the keys schema registering I guess | 13:58 |
Sc0rpius | if you take the SIM Card from your 3G modem | 13:58 |
Sc0rpius | and put it in your phone, it works. | 13:58 |
MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, no | 13:59 |
MohammadAG | that's hildon-desktop | 13:59 |
MohammadAG | still uploading, /me stabs modem | 13:59 |
MohammadAG | yes, tried that | 13:59 |
MohammadAG | and that's how I recharge it :P | 13:59 |
MohammadAG | though they said it doesn't work xD | 13:59 |
Sc0rpius | what but hildon-desktop had? | 13:59 |
Sc0rpius | bug | 13:59 |
Sc0rpius | what bug did it have? | 13:59 |
Sc0rpius | the desktop shortcut was annoying (I already fixed it in my phone) | 14:00 |
MohammadAG | that's hildon-home | 14:00 |
Sc0rpius | right | 14:00 |
MohammadAG | hildon-desktop updated | 14:01 |
Sc0rpius | well let's see the commit log | 14:01 |
Sc0rpius | "Register key-schemas to gconf" | 14:02 |
Sc0rpius | "Added portrait mode support for the status menu" I don't have that | 14:02 |
Sc0rpius | or at least I don't see it | 14:02 |
Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Open Phone, click on the status area | 14:03 |
Sc0rpius | nothing happens | 14:03 |
Jaffa | Oh. WFM | 14:03 |
MohammadAG | CSSU updated | 14:05 |
Sc0rpius | and why I don't get a status menu when phone is in portrait mode :( | 14:06 |
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MohammadAG | crap | 14:15 |
MohammadAG | how do I remove a tag? | 14:15 |
MohammadAG | when I wanted to tag I used git tag help to see help, apparently it tagged it as help :P | 14:15 |
Sc0rpius | you pushed? | 14:15 |
Sc0rpius | or haven't pushed yet | 14:15 |
MohammadAG | pushed | 14:16 |
Sc0rpius | git tag -d help | 14:16 |
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MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:/Scratchyhome/ssu/community-ssu-enabler$ git tag -d help | 14:17 |
MohammadAG | Deleted tag 'help' (was 6437395) | 14:17 |
MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:/Scratchyhome/ssu/community-ssu-enabler$ git push --tags | 14:17 |
MohammadAG | Everything up-to-date | 14:17 |
Sc0rpius | nice | 14:17 |
MohammadAG | so I can't reverse it remotely? | 14:18 |
Sc0rpius | oh I can see is still there | 14:19 |
Sc0rpius | git push origin :refs/tags/help | 14:19 |
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Sc0rpius | and that should do it | 14:19 |
Sc0rpius | I didn't know Linus Torvalds wrote git | 14:20 |
Sc0rpius | now I hate git. | 14:20 |
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MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:/Scratchyhome/ssu/community-ssu-enabler$ git push origin :refs/tags/help | 14:21 |
MohammadAG | => Syncing Gitorious... [OK] | 14:21 |
MohammadAG | To git@gitorious.org:community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler.git | 14:21 |
MohammadAG | - [deleted] help | 14:21 |
Sc0rpius | nice. | 14:21 |
Sc0rpius | but I still see it | 14:22 |
Sc0rpius | (heh) | 14:22 |
MohammadAG | me too :P | 14:22 |
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andre___ | Jaffa, pong | 14:29 |
Sc0rpius | I guess I should be sleeping | 14:30 |
Jaffa | andre___: Was wondering about a 'General' or 'Unknown' component in "Maemo 5 Community SSU" | 14:31 |
andre___ | Jaffa, me too | 14:31 |
MohammadAG | hmm | 14:33 |
Jaffa | Although I decided I could put https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11868 against mp-fremantle-community-pr without too many mental contortions :-) | 14:34 |
povbot | Bug 11868: Pull tinymail sources into gitorious.org/community-ssu | 14:34 |
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andre___ | as you like... | 14:35 |
MohammadAG | does the icon show up as transparent for everyone? | 14:40 |
MohammadAG | I think I messed up icon conversion to base64 | 14:40 |
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MohammadAG | Jaffa, the icon doesn't scale to 48x48 properly, and anything below that doesn't get displayed by HAM | 15:01 |
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MohammadAG | Can someone please update HAM and check if the new release has an icon next to the package name or not? | 15:13 |
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BCMM | MohammadAG: will that come in with a regular apt-get upgrade? | 15:23 |
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MohammadAG | BCMM, I really suggest you use HAM, as much as I hate how slow it is | 15:28 |
BCMM | oh, ok. why, btw? | 15:28 |
MohammadAG | apt-get doesn't handle flags HAM does | 15:28 |
BCMM | there are certain things only HAM knows it should avoid upgrading, right? | 15:29 |
MohammadAG | well, that, and XB-Maemo-Flags | 15:29 |
BCMM | what about apt-get update? is that safe? | 15:30 |
BCMM | i started that already, and i'm puzzled by how long it's taking | 15:30 |
BCMM | oh nm: 24.7kB/s | 15:30 |
MohammadAG | sometimes hildon-desktop is killed on upgrade, HAM reboots automatically after the upgrade | 15:30 |
MohammadAG | apt-get doesn't | 15:30 |
BCMM | what are XB-Maemo-Flags? | 15:30 |
BCMM | also, one can reboot manually, right? | 15:31 |
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MohammadAG | not if you lose hildon-desktop | 15:32 |
MohammadAG | you can hold the power button I guess | 15:32 |
MohammadAG | but you can't close windows / save stuff you didn't save | 15:32 |
BCMM | losing hildon-desktop kills ssh? :) | 15:32 |
MohammadAG | heh | 15:33 |
MohammadAG | no :P | 15:33 |
Jaffa | MohammadAG: Checking now | 15:34 |
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BCMM | MohammadAG: anyway, i'll have a look at the new HAM whenever my oddly slow internet connection permits :) | 15:35 |
MohammadAG | Jaffa, ta | 15:36 |
Jaffa | MohammadAG: Nothing showing up. I'll blame apt's "I don't actually need to check yet" | 15:36 |
MohammadAG | Upgrading here | 15:37 |
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BCMM | MohammadAG: why do i have "community SSU package" in HAM again? | 15:38 |
Jaffa | BCMM: Eh? | 15:38 |
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BCMM | i have "maemo 5 community ssu package" as an upgrade in HAM. is it usual for that to re-appear regularly? | 15:39 |
MohammadAG | that's the update itself | 15:39 |
Jaffa | BCMM: That's how the updates are bundled, exactly as it does when Nokia releases a "normal" SSU | 15:39 |
BCMM | i'd somehow assumed that after installing that, the bundled apps would get updated individually... | 15:39 |
Jaffa | BCMM: Define "Re-appear regularly"? | 15:39 |
MohammadAG | Community SSU Enabler enables the SSU, the new update includes (or should include) an icon and a check if the SSU is already enabled | 15:40 |
MohammadAG | Maemo 5 Community SSU Package is the metapackage that pulls in all updates | 15:40 |
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BCMM | ah ok | 15:40 |
MohammadAG | community ssu enabler installation should be transparent to a user with the SSU already enabled (i.e no icon will show in the menu) | 15:40 |
BCMM | sorry for misunderstanding, thought it would be like a PR1.N release where you don't see the SSU after the first time | 15:41 |
Jaffa | BCMM: It's exactly like a PR1.N release where you DO see the SSU | 15:41 |
Jaffa | MohammadAG: Updated. Can't see an icon :-( | 15:41 |
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MohammadAG | hmm | 15:42 |
MohammadAG | I'll be back in 10-20 mins, lunch | 15:42 |
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Jaffa | MohammadAG: Top-tip, since I don't want to have to fiddle with maintaining XB-Maemo-Icon-26 manually, I use a `compile' step in my Makefile to update the file after base64-encoding the file: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=blob;f=package/Makefile;h=cd218f0bf7efde693ea506751a1e602e463485e7;hb=HEAD | 16:03 |
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* Jaffa gives that a go | 16:10 | |
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Jaffa | MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mp-fremantle-community-pr/merge_requests/1 | 16:16 |
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Jaffa | Hmm, still doesn't appear to show up... | 16:30 |
Jaffa | MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/merge_requests/3 | 16:31 |
Jaffa | MohammadAG: At least those two changes will make updating the icon easier | 16:31 |
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thp | btw, will the community SSU also have fixed releases or will new packages just be promoted from testing to the stable repository from time to time? | 18:40 |
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merlin1991 | MohammadAG, ping | 19:08 |
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MamoriNoTenshi | Hello | 20:23 |
MamoriNoTenshi | I have some questions if somebody is reading me | 20:24 |
merlin1991 | MamoriNoTenshi, write your quetions, waiting for someone to say hey I'll answer is defenitely the wrong way on irc | 20:25 |
MamoriNoTenshi | Ok sir ;( | 20:26 |
MamoriNoTenshi | Now uhm | 20:26 |
MamoriNoTenshi | Im testing the new ssu updates right? But lotta folks are talking about portrait mode enabled now | 20:26 |
MamoriNoTenshi | I just see the status bar in portrait mode nothing else | 20:26 |
merlin1991 | how do you mean "nothing else"? do you mean the rest of the screen is missing, or that the status bar is the only change you noticed in portrait mode? | 20:29 |
MamoriNoTenshi | That the status bar is the only change i noticed in portrait mode. | 20:30 |
merlin1991 | afaik that is the only change for portrait mode so far | 20:30 |
MamoriNoTenshi | Oh well 'nuff for me :P | 20:31 |
MamoriNoTenshi | Moham and Andrew are working a lot to bring maemo 5 from almost the grave | 20:32 |
MamoriNoTenshi | Thanks merlin | 20:33 |
MamoriNoTenshi | Laterz | 20:33 |
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rd | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU says: [...] Hildon Application Manager (HAM) will launch and appear to be doing nothing but after a second or three it will display the first installation, so be patient. In all, there are a series of installations for which HAM will prompt you with messages and warnings. Click "accept" and "done" for each and let HAM install all the community packages. [...] | 23:13 |
rd | I did not get any message or warning. | 23:14 |
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