IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Saturday, 2011-02-05

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Sc0rpiusas usual, it's very quiet in here04:22
MohammadAGSc0rpius, yeah04:27
MohammadAGdput's failing on me, X-Fade, is there a different way to upload packages04:27
Sc0rpiusI see other people are reporting bad battery life04:34
Sc0rpiusI wish I could find the reason, everyday I try something different04:35
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MohammadAGSc0rpius, problem with people is that they don't narrow down their problems04:41
MohammadAGlike, they install 10 apps along with the SSU and blame the SSU for problems04:42
MohammadAGlike the SMS one, we didn't touch any packages related to that...04:42
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Sc0rpiusyeah I know that04:46
Sc0rpiusbut I'm wondering if Modest is the cause04:46
Sc0rpiusI'm testing heavily to find the cause04:47
Sc0rpiusI don't think it's hildon-desktop, since if I don't connect to a network (wifi/3G) I get excellent battery life04:47
Sc0rpiusbut usually Wifi lasted like 2 days04:47
Sc0rpiusno it's likke half a day04:47
Sc0rpiuslike04:47
MohammadAGwell04:50
MohammadAGI have to figure out how to dput these packages04:50
MohammadAGssh: drop.maemo.org: Temporary failure in name resolution04:50
MohammadAGlost connection04:50
Sc0rpiusI really really don't understand git sometimes04:57
Sc0rpiusNote: moving to "origin/tinymail-1-2" which isn't a local branch04:57
Sc0rpiusand I get a (no branch) abyss04:58
Sc0rpiusI guess I'm getting it now05:00
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Sc0rpiuswell06:23
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Wikkie718-618-47707:13
Sc0rpiusis that a SSN?07:16
Wikkiefuck07:19
Sc0rpiusI think it was07:21
Wikkie718-618-477007:27
Sc0rpiusnow that's a phone number07:27
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JaffaSc0rpius: Since you're rapidly becoming "the Modest guy", want to have a look at https://bugs.maemo.org/3888#c4812:20
povbotBug 3888: IMAP-IDLE not working12:20
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Sc0rpiustaking a look12:59
Venemohm13:00
Venemowas the attachment functionality always wrong in Modest or did the CSSU mess it up?13:00
Sc0rpiusIMAP IDLE is not implemented in Modest as far as I know13:00
Sc0rpiusVenemo, good question, I haven't take a look at it yet13:00
Sc0rpiusbut I have both Modest (3.4.8 & 3.90.7) installed so testing that is fairly easy for me13:01
VenemoSc0rpius: thing is, I just wanted to attach something to an email a day ago, and the attachment dialog wan't really working at all13:01
VenemoSc0rpius: could you please test for me?13:01
Sc0rpiusthe dialog didn't work?13:01
VenemoSc0rpius: it was empty13:02
VenemoSc0rpius: interesting, right now the dialog works, but its title is a translation string and not an actual translation13:03
Sc0rpiusthat bug is reported yeah13:03
Sc0rpiusthe title being wrong13:03
VenemoSc0rpius: mcen_ia_select_attachment_title...13:03
VenemoSc0rpius: but I've no idea why it didn't work yesterday then13:03
Sc0rpiusyes that's the tag for the message13:03
VenemoI also don't understand why modest is a piece o' crap generally13:04
Sc0rpiusheh maybe it wasn't tested enough13:05
Venemoafter clicking on my account (IMAP), the "inbox" folder doesn't even appear in the list, just after waiting a few minutes of modes doing Idunnowhat.13:05
Sc0rpiusbut it works for me, it has never crashed on me13:05
Sc0rpiusok that's normal, since it's IMAP, all your folders are remote13:05
Sc0rpiusso you have to wait until Modest read the folders from the server13:06
Venemoso what then? it should show the local copy until it can't update.13:06
Sc0rpiusactually if you're not connected to a network and load Modest you won't see any folder in your account except the local folders13:06
Venemohaha!13:06
Sc0rpiusI wonder if there's an actual local copy...13:06
Venemoactually the devs of Modest didn't care about UI responsiveness at all, as it seems13:06
Venemojust like the devs of HAM.13:06
Sc0rpiusthe Modest 3.90.7 is very fast in UI responsiveness, but that folders issue is not an UI issue13:07
VenemoSc0rpius: it should be one.13:07
VenemoSc0rpius: it should cache the folder and show the contents of the cache until it can update from the server.13:08
Sc0rpiusit should, I agree13:08
Sc0rpiusI definitely can't read the Inbox if I'm offline13:09
Sc0rpiusthe folders are cached13:10
Sc0rpiusit just doesn't show them13:10
Venemohehe13:10
Sc0rpiusyou can see it in ~/.modest/cache/mail/imap13:11
Sc0rpiusbut just the ones I have clicked on13:11
Sc0rpiusso actually it's just the messages that are cached, not the folders13:11
VenemoSc0rpius, I believe, I just find this ridiculous13:11
VenemoI was working as a UI developer in my previous workplace, and I used to deal with exactly this kind of problems... :)13:12
Sc0rpiuswell hmm yeah13:12
Sc0rpiusit's sad but the only ones that really implement IMAP correctly are Microsoft clients13:12
Sc0rpiuseven Thunderbird does things wrong13:12
VenemoThunderbird is unfortunately a big piece o' crap :(13:12
Sc0rpiusyes it is13:13
Sc0rpiuslast time I tried Thunderbird has the same problem: everytime I clicked on a message it redownloaded it13:13
Venemohehe13:13
JaffaThere's a bug open about merging someone's offline IMAP patches13:13
Venemoand unfortunately Microsoft made all their e-mail clients bloated, so... :(13:13
JaffaIt hasn't got a translation for the property, but then lots of pieces of CSSU modest don't.13:13
Sc0rpiusyes Jaffa I see it, but I really wonder about power consumption with IDLE13:13
VenemoSc0rpius: what e-mail client do you use on your desktop btw?13:14
Sc0rpiuswe could try it13:14
Sc0rpiusI use Windows Live Mail, not a heavy crap like Microsoft Outlook, and it works13:14
JaffaSc0rpius: Yeah, IDLE's more risky; though pvanhoof's patches claim to rework it so it's better behaved.13:14
Sc0rpiusbut, like I said before13:14
Sc0rpiuswe'd need to include tinymail in CSSU13:14
JaffaSc0rpius: Offline is interesting and could make a bit difference if network connection is spotty13:14
Sc0rpiussince the patches are from tinymail, not modest actually13:14
JaffaSc0rpius: Not a problem13:14
VenemoSc0rpius: haha! latest version of WLM is also bloated :(13:15
Sc0rpiusand I had to patch tinymail anyway for the tree view13:15
Sc0rpiusVenemo: it works for me better than the last Outlook Express I tried13:15
Sc0rpiusand yeah offline is important13:15
VenemoSc0rpius: yes, because outlook express is deprecated anyway.13:15
Sc0rpiusI was thinking about that folder caching13:15
JaffaSc0rpius: let's talk to MohammadAG about pulling in the tinymail from PR1.3 into gitorious.org/community-ssu13:15
Sc0rpiusI mean, since they are called "Windows Mail" they work13:16
Sc0rpiusthat would be nice Jaffa13:16
Sc0rpiusjust the tinymail-1-2 branch13:17
Venemois tinymail the lib under modest?13:17
Sc0rpiusthe rest is totally useless13:17
Sc0rpiusyes13:17
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JaffaVenemo: Yes.13:18
Jaffaandre___: ping13:19
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Sc0rpiuswell the good news is that if Meego will ever exist as something decent for N900, Modest won't be there, since nobody will rewrite it in Qt hehehe13:22
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Sc0rpiusthey should be already working on something new from scratch I guess, I dunno13:22
JaffaSc0rpius: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1186813:23
povbotBug 11868: Pull tinymail sources into gitorious.org/community-ssu13:23
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JaffaSc0rpius: They could put tinymail under Qt Messaging13:23
Sc0rpiusI hope they won't13:24
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Sc0rpiusso Jaffa, how's your battery consumption with CSSU? you don't notice a difference?13:25
JaffaSc0rpius: Oh, I'm fairly sure they won't13:25
JaffaSc0rpius: Nope, noticing no difference13:25
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Sc0rpiusI see there's already a patch for the offline folders thing13:46
Sc0rpiusor somebody proposed one in bugzilla13:47
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JaffaSomeone's found the commit which added the bottom button.13:50
Sc0rpiusthat was me13:51
Sc0rpius:S13:51
JaffaCool :-)13:51
* Sc0rpius <--- Naikel13:51
JaffaHello o/13:51
Sc0rpius\o13:52
Sc0rpiusI found it like 2 days ago and pasted here to anidel (I think he was looking for it)13:52
Sc0rpiusbut he didn't read it (he left)13:53
Sc0rpiusbut just now I realized there was a bug already filed for it13:53
MohammadAGcommunity-ssu-enabler updated13:54
MohammadAGI need to check /etc/resolv.conf more often13:54
MohammadAGor symlink the one in sbox to the one in the host system13:55
Sc0rpiusor run your own DNS server13:55
Sc0rpius:P13:55
MohammadAGhah13:55
MohammadAGon a 3G modem :P13:55
Sc0rpiusI use the Googles server 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 they work everywhere :)13:56
MohammadAGyeah, I use those too13:56
MohammadAGbut network manager autogenerates the file13:56
JaffaSc0rpius: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs is a handy search for seeing which bugs are field, aren't duplicates or INVALID and haven't been shipped yet13:56
Sc0rpiusnice13:56
Sc0rpiusso MohammadAG, that update fixes the keys schema registering I guess13:58
Sc0rpiusif you take the SIM Card from your 3G modem13:58
Sc0rpiusand put it in your phone, it works.13:58
MohammadAGSc0rpius, no13:59
MohammadAGthat's hildon-desktop13:59
MohammadAGstill uploading, /me stabs modem13:59
MohammadAGyes, tried that13:59
MohammadAGand that's how I recharge it :P13:59
MohammadAGthough they said it doesn't work xD13:59
Sc0rpiuswhat but hildon-desktop had?13:59
Sc0rpiusbug13:59
Sc0rpiuswhat bug did it have?13:59
Sc0rpiusthe desktop shortcut was annoying (I already fixed it in my phone)14:00
MohammadAGthat's hildon-home14:00
Sc0rpiusright14:00
MohammadAGhildon-desktop updated14:01
Sc0rpiuswell let's see the commit log14:01
Sc0rpius"Register key-schemas to gconf"14:02
Sc0rpius"Added portrait mode support for the status menu" I don't have that14:02
Sc0rpiusor at least I don't see it14:02
JaffaSc0rpius: Open Phone, click on the status area14:03
Sc0rpiusnothing happens14:03
JaffaOh. WFM14:03
MohammadAGCSSU updated14:05
Sc0rpiusand why I don't get a status menu when phone is in portrait mode :(14:06
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MohammadAGcrap14:15
MohammadAGhow do I remove a tag?14:15
MohammadAGwhen I wanted to tag I used git tag help to see help, apparently it tagged it as help :P14:15
Sc0rpiusyou pushed?14:15
Sc0rpiusor haven't pushed yet14:15
MohammadAGpushed14:16
Sc0rpiusgit tag -d help14:16
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MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:/Scratchyhome/ssu/community-ssu-enabler$ git tag -d help14:17
MohammadAGDeleted tag 'help' (was 6437395)14:17
MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:/Scratchyhome/ssu/community-ssu-enabler$ git push --tags14:17
MohammadAGEverything up-to-date14:17
Sc0rpiusnice14:17
MohammadAGso I can't reverse it remotely?14:18
Sc0rpiusoh I can see is still there14:19
Sc0rpiusgit push origin :refs/tags/help14:19
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Sc0rpiusand that should do it14:19
Sc0rpiusI didn't know Linus Torvalds wrote git14:20
Sc0rpiusnow I hate git.14:20
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MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:/Scratchyhome/ssu/community-ssu-enabler$ git push origin :refs/tags/help14:21
MohammadAG=> Syncing Gitorious... [OK]14:21
MohammadAGTo git@gitorious.org:community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler.git14:21
MohammadAG - [deleted]         help14:21
Sc0rpiusnice.14:21
Sc0rpiusbut I still see it14:22
Sc0rpius(heh)14:22
MohammadAGme too :P14:22
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andre___Jaffa, pong14:29
Sc0rpiusI guess I should be sleeping14:30
Jaffaandre___: Was wondering about a 'General' or 'Unknown' component in "Maemo 5 Community SSU"14:31
andre___Jaffa, me too14:31
MohammadAGhmm14:33
JaffaAlthough I decided I could put https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11868 against mp-fremantle-community-pr without too many mental contortions :-)14:34
povbotBug 11868: Pull tinymail sources into gitorious.org/community-ssu14:34
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andre___as you like...14:35
MohammadAGdoes the icon show up as transparent for everyone?14:40
MohammadAGI think I messed up icon conversion to base6414:40
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MohammadAGJaffa, the icon doesn't scale to 48x48 properly, and anything below that doesn't get displayed by HAM15:01
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MohammadAGCan someone please update HAM and check if the new release has an icon next to the package name or not?15:13
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BCMMMohammadAG: will that come in with a regular apt-get upgrade?15:23
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MohammadAGBCMM, I really suggest you use HAM, as much as I hate how slow it is15:28
BCMMoh, ok. why, btw?15:28
MohammadAGapt-get doesn't handle flags HAM does15:28
BCMMthere are certain things only HAM knows it should avoid upgrading, right?15:29
MohammadAGwell, that, and XB-Maemo-Flags15:29
BCMMwhat about apt-get update? is that safe?15:30
BCMMi started that already, and i'm puzzled by how long it's taking15:30
BCMMoh nm: 24.7kB/s15:30
MohammadAGsometimes hildon-desktop is killed on upgrade, HAM reboots automatically after the upgrade15:30
MohammadAGapt-get doesn't15:30
BCMMwhat are XB-Maemo-Flags?15:30
BCMMalso, one can reboot manually, right?15:31
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MohammadAGnot if you lose hildon-desktop15:32
MohammadAGyou can hold the power button I guess15:32
MohammadAGbut you can't close windows / save stuff you didn't save15:32
BCMMlosing hildon-desktop kills ssh? :)15:32
MohammadAGheh15:33
MohammadAGno :P15:33
JaffaMohammadAG: Checking now15:34
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BCMMMohammadAG: anyway, i'll have a look at the new HAM whenever my oddly slow internet connection permits :)15:35
MohammadAGJaffa, ta15:36
JaffaMohammadAG: Nothing showing up. I'll blame apt's "I don't actually need to check yet"15:36
MohammadAGUpgrading here15:37
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BCMMMohammadAG: why do i have "community SSU package" in HAM again?15:38
JaffaBCMM: Eh?15:38
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BCMMi have "maemo 5 community ssu package" as an upgrade in HAM. is it usual for that to re-appear regularly?15:39
MohammadAGthat's the update itself15:39
JaffaBCMM: That's how the updates are bundled, exactly as it does when Nokia releases a "normal" SSU15:39
BCMMi'd somehow assumed that after installing that, the bundled apps would get updated individually...15:39
JaffaBCMM: Define "Re-appear regularly"?15:39
MohammadAGCommunity SSU Enabler enables the SSU, the new update includes (or should include) an icon and a check if the SSU is already enabled15:40
MohammadAGMaemo 5 Community SSU Package is the metapackage that pulls in all updates15:40
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BCMMah ok15:40
MohammadAGcommunity ssu enabler installation should be transparent to a user with the SSU already enabled (i.e no icon will show in the menu)15:40
BCMMsorry for misunderstanding, thought it would be like a PR1.N release where you don't see the SSU after the first time15:41
JaffaBCMM: It's exactly like a PR1.N release where you DO see the SSU15:41
JaffaMohammadAG: Updated. Can't see an icon :-(15:41
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MohammadAGhmm15:42
MohammadAGI'll be back in 10-20 mins, lunch15:42
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JaffaMohammadAG: Top-tip, since I don't want to have to fiddle with maintaining XB-Maemo-Icon-26 manually, I use a `compile' step in my Makefile to update the file after base64-encoding the file: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=blob;f=package/Makefile;h=cd218f0bf7efde693ea506751a1e602e463485e7;hb=HEAD16:03
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* Jaffa gives that a go16:10
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JaffaMohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mp-fremantle-community-pr/merge_requests/116:16
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JaffaHmm, still doesn't appear to show up...16:30
JaffaMohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/merge_requests/316:31
JaffaMohammadAG: At least those two changes will make updating the icon easier16:31
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thpbtw, will the community SSU also have fixed releases or will new packages just be promoted from testing to the stable repository from time to time?18:40
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merlin1991MohammadAG, ping19:08
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MamoriNoTenshiHello20:23
MamoriNoTenshiI have some questions if somebody is reading me20:24
merlin1991MamoriNoTenshi, write your quetions, waiting for someone to say hey I'll answer is defenitely the wrong way on irc20:25
MamoriNoTenshiOk sir ;(20:26
MamoriNoTenshiNow uhm20:26
MamoriNoTenshiIm testing the new ssu updates right? But lotta folks are talking about portrait mode enabled now20:26
MamoriNoTenshiI just see the status bar in portrait mode nothing else20:26
merlin1991how do you mean "nothing else"? do you mean the rest of the screen is missing, or that the status bar is the only change you noticed in portrait mode?20:29
MamoriNoTenshiThat the status bar is the only change i noticed in portrait mode.20:30
merlin1991afaik that is the only change for portrait mode so far20:30
MamoriNoTenshiOh well 'nuff for me :P20:31
MamoriNoTenshiMoham and Andrew are working a lot to bring maemo 5 from almost the grave20:32
MamoriNoTenshiThanks merlin20:33
MamoriNoTenshiLaterz20:33
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rdhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU says: [...] Hildon Application Manager (HAM) will launch and appear to be doing nothing but after a second or three it will display the first installation, so be patient. In all, there are a series of installations for which HAM will prompt you with messages and warnings. Click "accept" and "done" for each and let HAM install all the community packages. [...]23:13
rdI did not get any message or warning.23:14
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