IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Monday, 2011-01-24

Jaffalcuk: The @@@s need fleshing out, I think. In particular the installation instructions.00:00
lcukwow jaffa, its fleshing itself out :O :P00:00
lcukif the product version is blank00:01
lcukits custom kernel afaik isn't it?00:01
JaffaIs it?00:01
JaffaArse. Is there a good way to check, or is "Ensure you're running PR1.3" sufficient for now?00:01
JaffaGiven this is for testee-type people at this stage, it's probably sufficient.00:02
lcukI think thats sufficient as long as it does not break others00:02
MohammadAGor we could depend on the PR1.3 mce :P00:03
MohammadAGit shouldn't break PR1.2 anyway00:06
* Jaffa was thinking: currently community-ssu-enabler is not in Extras. If it was, it'd be in extras-1.3. Extras-devel and -testing _officially_ only support 1.3 anyway. It's only at the Extras level are multiple OS versions supported.00:09
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JaffaMy theory breaks down because community-ssu-enabler is in /community-testing/ repo. Duh00:11
MohammadAGbut again00:12
MohammadAGit shouldn't break PR1.200:12
MohammadAGhowever, if done on 1.2, one can't update to 1.300:12
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG, <-- I think that's a bit of a given, probably might have been because I went ahead and did manual update of individual packages myself12:06
MohammadAGi'll have a look at the repo when I'm home12:08
psycho_oreosii  hildon-desktop                             1:2.2.140-1+0m5                            Hildon desktop for Fremantle12:09
psycho_oreosthanks :)12:09
psycho_oreosthat line above is my dpkg -l hildon-desktop output. I just sshed in and checked12:09
MohammadAGit should get upgraded12:10
psycho_oreosso I should manually grab the package and install? :D12:10
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MohammadAGand... we missed it13:46
* MohammadAG reads MWKN13:46
MohammadAGoh logs on MWKN13:47
Venemowhat's the relevant news?13:53
psycho_oreosmust be about the bid13:54
Venemoyeah, I heard that13:54
JaffaMohammadAG: Figured that you concentrating on your exam was more important than me pushing through the SSU announcement so that MWKN could carry the news straight away :-)13:58
JaffaVenemo: The relevant news is the launch of the CSSU...13:58
JaffaVenemo: Which didn't happen in time, cos the release announcement still needs fleshing out to manage expectations better13:58
VenemoJaffa: that is not on the link13:58
JaffaVenemo: Indeed. Omp is mentioned in "apps"; but the SSU launch isn't launched yet13:59
MohammadAGThere's always next week13:59
JaffaMohammadAG: Tell me about it. There's always another MWKN looming!14:00
MohammadAGwe can test the SSU more14:00
MohammadAGthinking of adding libqt4-gui14:00
psycho_oreosoh so it wasn't about the bid, heh my bad14:00
JaffaMohammadAG: More testing: good. I was hoping some people here'd help flesh out the announcement, in particular the @@@s around installation.14:09
JaffaAlthough I'm going to reflash my spare N900 tonight and write install instructions if no one else has...14:09
MohammadAGI'll have a look at it14:10
JaffaHelp flesh out the whys & wherefores of the CSSU announcement:
MohammadAGwhy tonight?14:10
JaffaI was going to do it tonight cos I'd downloaded the eMMC and NAND images.14:11
JaffaNo particular rush now14:11
MohammadAGsimplified: click install, install as per on screen instructions, close HAM, start enabler, it'll launch HAM when done14:13
JaffaMohammadAG: Launch in "Update" mode? Or does the user have to click "Update"?14:22
MohammadAGupdate view14:24
MohammadAGso basically, the user has to update "Maemo 5 Community SSU"14:24
psycho_oreosso has the hildon-desktop been fixed? :D14:28
JaffaDefine "fixed"?14:33
MohammadAGI'm still mobile sort of14:33
psycho_oreosahh I can't install CSSU due to hildon-desktop requiring >=2.2 I think14:33
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, bah14:34
psycho_oreosoh well I'll wait tomorrow :)14:34
psycho_oreosJaffa, <-- that was the stuff I was talking to MohammadAG about, in case you've missed it14:36
MohammadAGthough I'm not sure why, unless an upload failed or something14:37
psycho_oreosI'll refresh HAM14:38
psycho_oreosnope, after clicking accept, it says "(null) Install anyway?" clicked yes and it prompted me to create a backup saying that this can only be done with PC via PC suite14:42
MohammadAGthat was a result of the old enabler14:50
MohammadAGremove hildon application manager's config file14:50
psycho_oreosconfig file? hmm I'll have to check14:51
psycho_oreos/etc/hildon-application-manager/settings ?14:52
MohammadAGit's in ~14:52
MohammadAG~/.osso/hildon-application-manager I think14:53
MohammadAGas user of course14:53
psycho_oreosahh that file?14:53
psycho_oreosok I'll remove it and retry14:54
psycho_oreosnow it doesn't show that null package but instead prompt maemo update lol14:59
MohammadAGit should15:00
psycho_oreos"To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC. Connect the device to your PC via a USB cable and launch the application."15:00
psycho_oreosbleh, so it means CSSU hasn't been open I suppose? lol was hoping to see that modest, libvte and what not15:01
Jaffapsycho_oreos: Is there a "Problems" tab when you click on "Maemo 5 Community SSU"?15:03
psycho_oreosJaffa, going to check for that now15:03
psycho_oreosJaffa, yeah almost the same output as the pastebin one except it doesn't say what package is going to get updated. It just says hildon-desktop >= 2.2 is missing15:05
MohammadAGhildon-desktop missing?15:05
psycho_oreosno it requires >= 2.2, I have hildon-desktop 2.015:06
psycho_oreoserr wait15:06
psycho_oreos2.2.142 is or later is required but I have 2.2.14015:06
Jaffapsycho_oreos: Can  you take a screenshot of the "Problems" tab, please :-)15:07
MohammadAGPackage: hildon-desktop15:11
MohammadAGPriority: optional15:12
MohammadAGSection: x1115:12
MohammadAGInstalled-Size: 66015:12
MohammadAGMaintainer: Kimmo Hämäläinen <>15:12
MohammadAGArchitecture: armel15:12
MohammadAGVersion: 1:2.2.142-415:12
psycho_oreosfrom which repo is that from? :)15:12
psycho_oreosoh wait, I think I know what15:12
JaffaWorks for me to the latest15:13
Jaffa(trying now)15:13
psycho_oreosahh its not in the official SSU, I was about to flick the hidden packages on via red pill15:13
psycho_oreosii  hildon-desktop                             1:2.2.140-1+0m5                            Hildon desktop for Fremantle15:14
psycho_oreosthat's what I have installed currently15:14
MohammadAGtry apt-get install hildon-desktop15:14
Jaffapsycho_oreos: Have you been installing random hildon-desktop debs?15:14
psycho_oreosJaffa, I believe so yes lol, from matan I think15:15
psycho_oreosI'll check15:15
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, that didn't work, says its either obsolete or available from another source15:15
psycho_oreosno I haven't installed matan's hildon-desktop, I still have that package but its labelled as 2.2.14115:16
Jaffapsycho_oreos: Type: `apt-cache policy hildon-desktop` and pastebin the output15:17
Jaffapsycho_oreos: I'm also looking forward to your section :-)15:17
MohammadAGthat's a weird error15:17
psycho_oreosJaffa, lol well I gotta figure this out first I suppose15:18
MohammadAGI'll break pasting rules and dump this here15:18
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# apt-get --reinstall install hildon-desktop15:18
MohammadAGReading package lists... Done15:18
MohammadAGBuilding dependency tree15:18
MohammadAGReading state information... Done15:18
MohammadAG0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.15:18
MohammadAGNeed to get 231kB of archives.15:18
MohammadAGAfter this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used.15:18
MohammadAGDo you want to continue [Y/n]?15:18
psycho_oreosI'll give that a try15:19
psycho_oreosnah that doesn't work hmm15:19
psycho_oreoswait, I've installed your apt lol, I didn't set the pin, that might be why15:20
JaffaHow did you do that?15:23
MohammadAGrm /etc/apt/preferences?15:25
psycho_oreosdo what? I remember there were issues with apt when installing stuff from ovi spontaneously and someone said MohammadAG's apt fixes it but it was a forum thread and I recall on his post he mentioned about adding stuff into /etc/apt/preferences15:25
psycho_oreoshumm, well I'll give this old thread a shot before removing preferences lol15:25
MohammadAGit shouldn't affect the repo15:26
psycho_oreosbah, as I thought :/ *sigh*, maybe I'll need to install it via enabling red pill15:27
MohammadAGcat /etc/apt/preferences and pastebinit15:29
VenemoMohammadAG: will the SSU upgrade my N900 to one of these?
MohammadAGVenemo, did you try the 1.1 SDK?15:30
VenemoMohammadAG: installing it right now15:30
MohammadAGVenemo, you're gonna be pissed :P15:30
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MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, remove the pin15:32
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, by emptying the details after Pin: ?15:32
psycho_oreoson the same line that is15:32
MohammadAGrm the file15:33
psycho_oreosah ok15:33
VenemoMohammadAG: WHAT THE FUCK? "being unable to disable packaging (which is very annoying)" ???15:35
JaffaHasn't that always been the case, or has it regressed?15:35
VenemoMohammadAG: I HATE THEM!15:36
JaffaBoth vivainio and attila77 suggested it was something being worked on (as Attila's "yet" attests)15:37
MohammadAGJaffa, it works fine in 2.015:37
MohammadAG2.0.1 that is15:37
VenemoJaffa: it was fixed back in spring 2010, and now they reintroduced the bug15:37
MohammadAGwhich as what I fell back to15:38
MohammadAGbut I want the features of the SDK15:38
MohammadAGit has sexier syntax highlighting15:38
JaffaVenemo: MohammadAG: Ah. Doh. Is there a JIRA issue? :-)15:38
MohammadAGwhat's A JIRA?15:38
JaffaJIRA is a bug tracking system produced by Atlassian. It is used by the Qt teams in a similar way to other projects' use of Bugzilla.15:39
VenemoJaffa: there is.15:39
VenemoJaffa: I reported it15:39
JaffaVenemo: URL?15:39
psycho_oreosdamn I almost had it going15:40
VenemoJaffa: there is no "my reported issues" on the jira, so I can't find it15:40
JaffaVenemo: http://JIRA-SERVER/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&reporterSelect=issue_current_user15:41
MohammadAGI haz awesome search skills15:44
MohammadAGVenemo, that's the bug ^15:44
VenemoJaffa: found it already.
VenemoMohammadAG: no, that one is just against broken packaging15:44
VenemoMohammadAG: this one is about the option to disable it15:44
Jaffa-1637 says a commit went in to give the option. And -1636 is Resolved.15:45
JaffaDunno if their policy is "re-open" or raise new15:45
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VenemoI'm gonna whine15:45
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* MohammadAG giggles at conversation15:50
psycho_oreosI think I've found the fix :)15:50
MohammadAGI think I overwrote the stock mediaplayer, again15:51
VenemoMohammadAG: try using an older version of Qt Creator15:51
MohammadAGI'm on 2.0.115:52
MohammadAGbut I didn't have the option ticked in debug builds15:52
MohammadAGI still want the new SDK15:52
Venemoyou can use the new SDK with a standalone installation of an older Qt Creator15:52
MohammadAGthat's not what I meant15:53
VenemoJaffa: thx for helping :P15:53
MohammadAGI'm using the new MADDE15:54
Venemono problem with that15:54
MohammadAGbut not the new Qt Creator15:54
MohammadAGi'm using meego's QtC15:54
Venemowhy the hell does MeeGo need its own QtCreator?15:54
MohammadAGit's truly messed up imo15:55
MohammadAGeach SDK installs in a different location15:55
MohammadAGI ended up with 3 QtCs once15:55
VenemoMohammadAG: yeah, me too15:55
VenemoMohammadAG: hm, it did not make a package for me on pressing the "build" button15:56
MohammadAGit builds the package in the compiling step15:56
MohammadAGinstead of the deploying one15:56
VenemoMohammadAG: compile output doesn't talk about it15:57
MohammadAGweird, it does for me15:57
MohammadAGit even creates a qtc_packaging/ folder15:57
MohammadAGsee, I even added it there ^15:58
VenemoI believe you, but I can't find any option about packaging at all15:58
MohammadAGit's in Projects > run15:59
MohammadAGfirst step15:59
MohammadAGunder maemo15:59
MohammadAGit has a disabled X button to delete the step, but it's disabled :P15:59
MohammadAGalso, packaging is now broken16:00
Venemovery nice16:00
MohammadAGif you edit control/changelog to change package name, it fails16:01
Venemowhy can't they get it right?16:02
MohammadAGthey're trying to make it easier16:03
Venemothey are morons16:05
ZogGhave you seen qt creator running on n900?16:05
MohammadAGyes :p16:06
VenemoZogG: only the screenshot of it16:06
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ZogGthere was link for build as well16:06
psycho_oreoshmm no crap after that long process I thought it was updated but hildon-desktop still remained at 2.2.140-1 ugh! I give in, I'll work on it tomorrow16:06
* lcuk slides over a beer to psycho_oreos 16:06
psycho_oreoslcuk, lol thanks but I'm about to hit the sack, back to the grind in a few hours16:07
Jaffapsycho_oreos: Try doing `apt-get install hildon-desktop=<some version>'16:07
psycho_oreosJaffa, not found16:08
psycho_oreosnot found for 2.2.142-416:08
psycho_oreosanyway I'm gonna hit the sack :) nite16:08
MohammadAG#qt-creator's approach reminds me of iPhones16:09
MohammadAGnight psycho_oreos16:09
JaffaMohammadAG: What do you think the inspiration is?16:09
ZogGi wonder about this keyboard16:09
Jaffapsycho_oreos: apt-get update?16:09
MohammadAGdeb packaging is confusing for developers? :/16:12
MohammadAGZogG, it's a custom widget16:13
ZogGMohammadAG so this keyboard is widget?16:13
MohammadAGyes, it's just for Qt Creator16:13
MohammadAGmodded by the guy who got Qt C. working16:13
ZogGbut he comments it like software keyboard16:13
JaffaAnyway, QTCREATOR-1636 has been reopened and picked up. Excellent :-)16:14
MohammadAGidk then, but I doubt it16:14
ZogGhe is one of the devs of keyboard as well16:14
ZogGJaffa what is the bug about>16:14
JaffaZogG: Scroll up16:14
MohammadAGread up ZogG16:14
ZogG<MohammadAG> also, packaging is now broken // i assume this is the mos relevant16:15
ZogGJaffa, so how do i add the section to the wiki?16:15
VenemoMohammadAG: I made some trolling too
MohammadAGnoticed it :p16:20
* ZogG thinks Venemo is naughty16:22
VenemoZogG: why is that?16:22
ZogGjust was jocking about your trolling16:22
VenemoZogG: :P16:22
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JaffaZogG: "Add the section" to the wiki? You click "Edit" at the right-hand side16:23
JaffaZogG: merlin1991's our docs guy (who may want to look over as appropriate) and can help more :-)(16:23
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VenemoMohammadAG: what do you want from Telepathy?16:24
ZogGJaffa we just have DeVELOPMENT QA & something but we don't have GETTING STARTED or INSTALLATION16:24
MohammadAGcontact notifier16:24
merlin1991what did I miss16:24
MohammadAGMaemo 8 got released16:25
ZogGmerlin1991 you missed me i know for sure16:25
MohammadAGso you missed 6 and 716:25
ZogGMohammadAG maemo what?16:25
* merlin1991 is lost16:25
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MohammadAG<ZogG> Jaffa, so how do i add the section to the wiki?16:25
MohammadAG<some unrelated talk>16:25
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MohammadAG<Jaffa> ZogG: "Add the section" to the wiki? You click "Edit" at the right-hand side16:25
MohammadAGalso, logs in topic, why am I pasting this16:26
merlin1991I even stated I'm reading logs :D16:26
merlin1991but the topic needs an updte16:26
ZogGmeh. if merlin1991 is up for it, i would just lurk =)16:26
merlin1991the wiki link wrong16:26
VenemoMohammadAG: the talk was not unrelated. it was about Nokia messing up our SDK again.16:26
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merlin1991what happened just now?16:27
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VenemoMohammadAG: what do you think about ?16:29
ZogGMohammadAG so where did you get info about maemo 8?16:30
MohammadAGVenemo, having a look at Qt Quick16:31
MohammadAGbut it's an E7 :P16:31
MohammadAGZogG, where else,
ZogGme is sad16:31
VenemoMohammadAG: E7 is nice stuff16:32
ZogGand if apple will join meego it would be iMeeGo? and google iMeeGodroid?16:32
MohammadAGVenemo, looks right - features, not so sure16:32
MohammadAGit's still 680MHz, 256MBs RAM, 8MP camera16:33
VenemoZogG: no, the latter would be GMeeGo, and the former iGoo16:33
MohammadAGno uSD16:33
VenemoMohammadAG: it has a very nice 4-row keyboard16:33
ZogGVenemo, world of goo is out already16:33
VenemoMohammadAG: I had the opportunity to play with it for 5 minutes :)16:33
MohammadAGVenemo, wasted for a space bar and CTRL/FN functions16:33
VenemoMohammadAG: wouldn't trade the N900 for it, that's for sure16:34
ZogGwait E7 is new meego or symbian?16:34
MohammadAGabbreviated as iOMGOS16:34
MohammadAGsymbian cubed16:34
merlin1991ZogG what section to add where?16:42
merlin1991okay :)16:42
merlin1991hm, I have my n900 just how I want it, guess that's the perfect setup to reflash to write the installation page :D16:45
merlin1991gonna do that today16:47
merlin1991always break a running system, that's my way :D16:48
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Jaffamerlin1991: Woohoo. You can also make sure my testcase (our single one) is right (and, I suppose, passes ;-))17:47
merlin1991testcase as in message "Operating system updated successfully" shown ? :D17:48
merlin1991or is there a real testcase I missed?17:49
Jaffamerlin1991: That's my attempt at showing the kind of test cases we should have for the CSSU19:16
merlin1991I see :)19:17
JaffaTotally OTTOMH, but I figured we should probably have some form of test plan...!19:23
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