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| pichlo | Good evening everyone! | 21:33 |
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| reinob | hi pichlo! | 21:34 |
| Win7Mac | hello! :) | 21:34 |
| pichlo | Please forgive me if I suddenly disappear. I am living on the edge: typing this on a Jolla with 34% battery left. | 21:35 |
| reinob | 34% should be enough for everyone.. err..for everything :) | 21:35 |
| pichlo | Double edge, you can say :) | 21:35 |
| pichlo | reinob, when did you last use a Jolla? ;) | 21:36 |
| pichlo | So, what's the topic for today? | 21:37 |
| eekkelund | Hello :) | 21:37 |
| pichlo | Hi eekkelund, hi Wn7Mac, hi reinob | 21:38 |
| Win7Mac | hi eekkelund :) | 21:38 |
| pichlo | I finally got around writing to techstaff re the topics we discussed the past few meetings. Tor, https, garage spam and bitcoin. No reply yet. Hardly surprising as I only did it today. | 21:41 |
| eekkelund | Hellohello:) So after bumping TMO thread and posting to telegram Jolla fanclub group, 3 new ppl voted to poll. And one was my friend. Still I could make post to TJC and my GF could make post in russian to VK maemo&sailfish groups :) | 21:41 |
| eekkelund | Ok good thanks pichlo :) I am still writing last meeting minutes... | 21:42 |
| Win7Mac | thanks both! | 21:43 |
| pichlo | You are much faster than me. I had it on my slate for nearly a monrh :( | 21:43 |
| Win7Mac | bitcoin is no topic for zechstaff though, board should take care of that | 21:43 |
| Win7Mac | *techstaff | 21:44 |
| reinob | thanks a lot pichlo. I wrote I reminder to myself in ##maemo-admin channel | 21:44 |
| pichlo | Yeah, I made it clear it was only a feasibility query | 21:44 |
| pichlo | admin channel? | 21:45 |
| pichlo | so much to learn, so little time! ;) | 21:45 |
| reinob | yup, that's where techstaff are usually available. only people with council cloak have access | 21:45 |
| reinob | try it: /join ##maemo-admin | 21:45 |
| pichlo | Thanks rainob, joined | 21:47 |
| eekkelund | Joined also :) | 21:47 |
| Win7Mac | me too, but no techstaff... | 21:48 |
| pichlo | So what happens after the next election when I am no longer in the Council? Will I be kicked out? | 21:49 |
| reinob | dunno, probably, if you lose the cloak.. | 21:49 |
| pichlo | Sounds fair and square. | 21:50 |
| pichlo | Pardon me for a few mins, family business. | 21:51 |
| eekkelund | So what do you think are we going to organize CC if there will be less than 20 actual participants and 20 undeiceded+helpers ?:) | 21:55 |
| pichlo | that's why I keep saying that one category is plenty | 21:56 |
| reinob | I'd rather not answer to that. I have a pessimistic day. And Austria lost.. | 21:56 |
| Win7Mac | sorry to hear | 21:57 |
| pichlo | reinob, aren't you supposed to support Spain? | 21:57 |
| eekkelund | :// | 21:57 |
| reinob | but hey, Spain (which is *my* country) did kick ass | 21:57 |
| reinob | wife's Austrian | 21:57 |
| pichlo | IC | 21:58 |
| reinob | you don't happen to be from CZ? I think I'd seen that somewhere | 21:58 |
| eekkelund | what about others, what do you think about only one category? | 21:58 |
| reinob | (if so, sorry :) | 21:58 |
| eekkelund | Finland will never make to EURO cup | 21:59 |
| eekkelund | :D | 21:59 |
| reinob | they're just too cool for such things | 22:00 |
| pichlo | Me, reinob? Close enough: SK. My wife is from UA. We live in GB. Similar to your circumstances. | 22:00 |
| pichlo | SK lost to Wales. The ultimate underdog. Good job I can't be arsed about football. | 22:01 |
| eekkelund | Go Iceland! :) | 22:01 |
| reinob | :))) | 22:01 |
| Win7Mac | good I'm german, WC will make it! ;) | 22:02 |
| Win7Mac | *World Champion | 22:02 |
| pichlo | Weren't you the champions the last time? | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | would not a single category complicate matters for improvements to existing apps vs brand new apps ? | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | that would be my main worry | 22:03 |
| reinob | I don't actually care about football. But world/euro cup are big enough to spark my interest. And I've been told I should work on my "national pride" (whatever the fuck that may be :), so I even have a red t-shirt :) | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | if both should be accommodated | 22:03 |
| pichlo | M4rtinK, fair enough.OK, two. | 22:04 |
| Win7Mac | "national pride" is a difficult topic... | 22:04 |
| Win7Mac | M4rtinK, thanks for your input! | 22:04 |
| reinob | exiting vs new sounds and is reasonable. further categorization may be an issue because of the low quantity of apps/candidates | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | np :) | 22:04 |
| pichlo | reinob, +1 | 22:05 |
| reinob | Win7Mac: in Spain it would be unthinkable to show a Spanish flag around (we still have two Spains). The Germans show them everywhere. | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | I think that especially for Maemo improving/fixing existing apps is very important | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | maybe someone might even adopt an orphaned application, etc ? | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | M4rtinK, +1 | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | the power of open source :) | 22:06 |
| pichlo | M4rtinK, "appa" or "packages"? | 22:06 |
| pichlo | "apps" | 22:06 |
| reinob | app = package | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | that's a good question | 22:07 |
| pichlo | Not from my POV | 22:07 |
| reinob | or app = one or more packages, but anyway, what's your point? | 22:07 |
| Win7Mac | does it really matter? | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | what if someone ports Qt 5 or improves something else that's not really an app | 22:07 |
| pichlo | some esoteric system package is not necessarily an app | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | I guess people voting can decide if they like it or not | 22:07 |
| reinob | OK to me app = program and whether GUI-app or kernel module, a program is a program is a .. | 22:08 |
| pichlo | yeah, I guess | 22:08 |
| pichlo | how about icon or language packs? | 22:09 |
| Win7Mac | whatever improvement should be promoted | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | Win7Mac: +1 | 22:09 |
| Win7Mac | pichlo, that's a bit low to me | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | Win7Mac: I don't think we should be picky | 22:10 |
| pichlo | I know, I was challenging reinob | 22:10 |
| reinob | pichlo: now you're talking. Tough question. More art than program (and I'm a patent examiner, I have to split these two and more every day..) | 22:10 |
| Win7Mac | ha... :) | 22:10 |
| pichlo | :) | 22:10 |
| Win7Mac | M4rtinK, right | 22:11 |
| pichlo | M4rtinK, +1 | 22:11 |
| pichlo | We cannot afford being picky. | 22:11 |
| eekkelund | Thanks M4rtinK :) What about somebody makes port os maemo to some Android phone? (very unlikely but is it app or fixing?Or one cannot compete with that?) | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | eekkelund: what a nice edge case :) | 22:12 |
| pichlo | I would worry about that when it happens ;) | 22:12 |
| reinob | I'd say, we interpret "app" (or whatever term we choose) very broadly. In the end, the one with more votes gets to win and the voters decide whether something is worth or not | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | I would say its an improvement of existing app/software/state of art | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | pichlo: +1 reinob: +1 | 22:13 |
| eekkelund | And I liked that Beginner (first release) because I would have tried to make something there. I would have been not brave enough to compete against for example M4rtinK :D | 22:13 |
| pichlo | good point | 22:13 |
| pichlo | I have an app in makung since 2014 ;) | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | eekkelund: such an honor :D | 22:14 |
| reinob | would beginner be a subgroup of "new app" or also of "existing app". if former (makes sense), then we'd have three { existing, new beginner, new experienced } | 22:14 |
| pichlo | sounds good | 22:14 |
| eekkelund | Wishlist? :) Or is it not part of 'competetion' but related somehow?:) | 22:14 |
| reinob | pichlo: we need to define "beginner" (if required). even if you started in 2004 unless and until you publish it it counts as beginner | 22:14 |
| reinob | OK? | 22:15 |
| Win7Mac | look at last competitions | 22:15 |
| Win7Mac | in the wiki | 22:15 |
| Win7Mac | and possibly ask the organizers | 22:16 |
| pichlo | eekkelund, I thing a wishlist could be a deciding factor for the voters but I don't think it should be a category | 22:16 |
| Win7Mac | about their experience | 22:16 |
| Win7Mac | whishlist implies later fullfillmet i guess | 22:17 |
| Win7Mac | not within timeframe of regular CC | 22:17 |
| Win7Mac | or? | 22:17 |
| pichlo | reinob, my definition of "beginer" is "competitor's first app/package" | 22:18 |
| Win7Mac | +1 | 22:18 |
| reinob | +1 | 22:18 |
| eekkelund | I think if there is 'huge' demand for something in wishlist council could help with prizes somehow?:) | 22:18 |
| eekkelund | But maybe then not in timeframe of CC | 22:19 |
| reinob | gotta go. will be back in 10-15 min | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | :w | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | hmm | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | this not vim! ;-) | 22:20 |
| Win7Mac | eekkelund, my idea is to really get the right devices into the right (in demand) hands of devs | 22:21 |
| Win7Mac | different people work on different platforms and need different devices | 22:22 |
| Win7Mac | also to port things | 22:23 |
| eekkelund | True | 22:23 |
| Win7Mac | the crux is: how are they supposed to work on a platform they have no device for? | 22:23 |
| Win7Mac | unless there's a working SDK | 22:24 |
| Win7Mac | I'm no dev at all, is that reasonable to you guys? | 22:24 |
| pichlo | That is exactly my worry. Devs focusing on system packages, kernel modules, ports etc and we end up exactly where we are now: a useless platform with no apps :( | 22:25 |
| eekkelund | One idea for devs: make SDK !:D | 22:25 |
| Win7Mac | pichlo, not nescessarily, why so pessimistic? | 22:25 |
| Win7Mac | eekkelund, good one! | 22:26 |
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| pichlo | Win7Mac, because that is the current situation. | 22:26 |
| Win7Mac | true too | 22:27 |
| Win7Mac | maybe, idk | 22:27 |
| pichlo | Just look at what is available for Sailfish, 2 1/2 years after the release. | 22:27 |
| Win7Mac | idk too | 22:27 |
| pichlo | I blame QML | 22:28 |
| Win7Mac | haven't used it so far, but will SOON (TM) | 22:28 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 22:28 |
| reinob | take the example of whatsapp: there will never be a stable (let alone official) version for fremantle or for sailfish. this will keep a lot of people away from these platforms. in the end only good old low-level hackers will enjoy using it. | 22:28 |
| Win7Mac | pichlo, reinob, what's your conclusion then? | 22:29 |
| reinob | IFF we had a working modern firefox or chromium then we could start talking. but with 256MB RAM it's a hopeless case | 22:29 |
| pichlo | three categories | 22:29 |
| eekkelund | Win7Mac, nemo guys have been talking about sdk :) | 22:29 |
| pichlo | new app, fix, beginner | 22:29 |
| reinob | that the "current situation" will not change (significantly). So system packages are fine for the CC | 22:30 |
| pichlo | beginner = wild card | 22:30 |
| pichlo | can choose new app or fix | 22:30 |
| pichlo | as long as it is his/het first contribution | 22:31 |
| pichlo | her | 22:31 |
| Win7Mac | ok to me | 22:31 |
| pichlo | gotta go again | 22:35 |
| pichlo | see you in 30-ish min | 22:36 |
| pichlo | if not, I will catch up in the log | 22:36 |
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| eekkelund | New app = new apps,new ports,new anything. fix= fixes,updates,maintaining,backport,open closed packages,bugs. beginner = just first contribution. and then this wishlist, not part of CC or? | 22:37 |
| eekkelund | btw this should be updated http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council :D | 22:37 |
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| Win7Mac | eekkelund, wishlist as part of CC, just contribution, decission and reward later | 22:54 |
| eekkelund | Yeah sounds good :) | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | ha, goal for Island! | 23:06 |
| Win7Mac | and what a nice one | 23:06 |
| chem|st | sry folks, just got home | 23:07 |
| chem|st | read Win7Mac email about GA invitation and the other stuff | 23:07 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: use that email I sent to you in reply please, I am overloaded till at least sunday night | 23:08 |
| chem|st | pichlo is gone already... | 23:08 |
| chem|st | I will find a legal disclaimer for donations made in BTC and make BTC available | 23:08 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st, I didn't grasp what you were trying to tell me. No need to explain to me, what exactly you want, simply edit the few lines to your liking | 23:10 |
| chem|st | https everywhere... we are in the process to get NPOed, maybe globalsign will then hand us a wildcard cert for free, we will see, I am a CaCert assurer, maybe we should go the open source way and make use of CaCert instead? | 23:10 |
| Win7Mac | re bitcoin + https: GOOD! | 23:11 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: will have a look if I can squeeze it in tomorrow, my Wed isn't like nine to five this week, more like eight to eight | 23:11 |
| reinob | how about letsencrypt? | 23:11 |
| chem|st | 8:30 first appointment | 23:11 |
| reinob | you can get as many certs as you want (xxx.maemo.org) and it works quite nicely | 23:12 |
| chem|st | reinob: currently warfare pays for all certs out of his pocket, I am not really ok with it as we have the funds but ok, never say nay to someone handing over something for free | 23:12 |
| chem|st | reinob: the problem is that you need to use certs recognized by any dumb system | 23:13 |
| chem|st | standard signing authorities | 23:13 |
| reinob | letencrypt is trusted out-of-the-box by everything | 23:14 |
| chem|st | even cacert did not make it into standards yet and that is as close as it gets | 23:14 |
| Win7Mac | that's a nice move from warefare, but we want to do it officially ourselves I guess | 23:14 |
| chem|st | reinob: then there is a catch if it is for free | 23:14 |
| reinob | google it. it's big companies (google, cisco, mozilla, etc.) "for the common good" so to speak. | 23:15 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: nah, but we could get a wildcard for free with globalsign if we apply for NPO, wildcards are the shit for something we have but they are expensive | 23:15 |
| Win7Mac | if globalsign has an easy way for NPOs, that sounds great | 23:15 |
| reinob | that's OK as well | 23:15 |
| reinob | I wouldn't want to have to pay lots of cash for a wildcard certificate, but if we get it for free then perfect | 23:15 |
| Win7Mac | +1 | 23:16 |
| chem|st | reinob: certs for free wildly recognized, who would use something else? | 23:16 |
| reinob | BTW ask warfare if he wants some refund. he shouldn't be paying for this | 23:16 |
| Win7Mac | right | 23:16 |
| chem|st | reinob: that is all discussed | 23:16 |
| reinob | OK | 23:16 |
| chem|st | too much of a hassle for him to get reimbursed | 23:17 |
| reinob | can we check if all links in maemo.org don't have http or https hard-coded? | 23:17 |
| chem|st | I can understand, I barely hand my stuff to juiceme | 23:17 |
| reinob | or would you do redirect always http->https no-matter-what? | 23:17 |
| chem|st | it is mostly not much | 23:17 |
| chem|st | and if you got std income not an issue at all | 23:18 |
| eekkelund | Wow, thanks chem|st :) | 23:18 |
| chem|st | eekkelund: don't thank me yet, I charge the trips to court by the hour ;) | 23:19 |
| reinob | walking is very healthy :) | 23:20 |
| eekkelund | Hahahha, then I thank warfare now and maybe later again you.:) | 23:21 |
| reinob | what about tor? is this being blocked by the firewall or by the web server? | 23:22 |
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| eekkelund | Well, seems like people have went to sleep or to watch football. Meeting ended? reinob, I assume your question was to chem|st?:) | 23:36 |
| chem|st | reinob: both iirc, some nodes do not get to the server, if you hit that page does not allow you in page it is the server (ask xes about that) | 23:37 |
| eekkelund | Good night :) | 23:48 |
| eekkelund | And thanks!! | 23:48 |
| Win7Mac | thanks + gnite everybody | 23:49 |
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