| juiceme | could be, I have no idea :) | 00:00 |
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| peterleinchen | the mirrors we have now are working. but what happens if they go down, too? | 00:00 |
| juiceme | are the minnors Nokia or MS? | 00:01 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, me too! ;) | 00:01 |
| peterleinchen | Nokia or MS, what do you ask for? | 00:02 |
| Oksanaa | Ask Microsoft to host the proprietary stuff forever and always? | 00:02 |
| juiceme | could be they'd do it, if some benefit could be shown | 00:03 |
| peterleinchen | MS will have no interest at all to host anything for maemo/harmattan ... | 00:03 |
| Oksanaa | Or buy from them permission to legally host it? | 00:03 |
| juiceme | would work too | 00:03 |
| peterleinchen | they shut down store / moved to opera / leaving out harmattan | 00:04 |
| Oksanaa | Take care to get all proprietary Maemo-related stuff from them, from Maemo 1 up to Maemo 6 and Meltemi - everything ? | 00:05 |
| peterleinchen | those repos were different for maemo and harmattan (n9 different to n950) | 00:05 |
| juiceme | yes, and I understood that it is now difficult to install even developer mode on N9 as the packages are no longer abailable...? | 00:05 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, yep but also there is a mirror | 00:06 |
| peterleinchen | the stuff needed is backed up | 00:06 |
| juiceme | how to use it if the packages are signed? | 00:06 |
| peterleinchen | just where to store safe? | 00:07 |
| juiceme | have you any idea what's the required size | 00:08 |
| peterleinchen | all in all a few GB, maybe 40 or so, need to dig up on that | 00:09 |
| juiceme | quite a lot then... and needs somewhat sizeable bandwidth too, if there are lots of downloads | 00:10 |
| peterleinchen | that size was for all languages, if we use only 001 it would be much less | 00:11 |
| peterleinchen | but yes download traffic to be considered, too | 00:12 |
| peterleinchen | but without hose repos no joy ... | 00:12 |
| juiceme | having it all in torrents is one possibility | 00:12 |
| peterleinchen | not really as you would need to fetch all dependencies if you like installing one 'app' | 00:14 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, try to reflash your n9 and install developer mode :( | 00:14 |
| juiceme | I mean the flash images, apps cannot take that much space really | 00:14 |
| peterleinchen | ? | 00:15 |
| juiceme | well, the thing is *I* can do it :) | 00:15 |
| peterleinchen | me too :) | 00:15 |
| juiceme | I'm using serial console, what's your excuse? | 00:16 |
| peterleinchen | oh, right. still have thos adaptors. never used them :o | 00:17 |
| juiceme | :) | 00:17 |
| peterleinchen | okay I see we will not solve it. just would have liked to secure those bits on maemo.org somehow. for the community (and newbies)... | 00:19 |
| peterleinchen | lets keep it in the open point list! | 00:19 |
| peterleinchen | what about the "referendum"? | 00:20 |
| juiceme | As I said, I kind of hoped the problem would go away. Since it is not a problem now | 00:20 |
| peterleinchen | I am lost with that RFC thread now :( | 00:20 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, right | 00:21 |
| juiceme | Yes, lots of heated discussion there. | 00:21 |
| peterleinchen | I also ahd the intention to keep it quiet, Did not see the need | 00:21 |
| juiceme | but the bottom line is, there is a (small I think) hole in the regulations, which should be mended one of these days | 00:21 |
| peterleinchen | could you point out? | 00:22 |
| juiceme | well. there's the thing which says that board needs to execute rulings of GA and Council | 00:23 |
| juiceme | and there are no checks for the type of ruling, so the position of council needs to be defined in relation to other elements | 00:25 |
| peterleinchen | if that is written in eV bylaws, yes then we need to clarify council relationship | 00:27 |
| peterleinchen | but it is really confusing :p | 00:28 |
| juiceme | ya. I'd suggeest we try to work on that so we could get a referendum on the thing. | 00:28 |
| juiceme | it is, yes | 00:28 |
| juiceme | one thing I vaguely remember... could be related to referendums like this | 00:28 |
| peterleinchen | okay last topic | 00:29 |
| juiceme | damn I cannot really be sure... but there was something that needed to be done to the voting machine | 00:29 |
| peterleinchen | oksana, could you already phrase a mail template to Jaffa? | 00:30 |
| juiceme | if I recall correctly Woody promised to look into it, it was some addition that would help to have certain type of elections | 00:30 |
| juiceme | ah, the HiFo mail, yes | 00:30 |
| juiceme | now am getting a bit drowsy... | 00:30 |
| juiceme | should go to sleep soon. | 00:31 |
| peterleinchen | me too :snore: | 00:31 |
| juiceme | Can we try to continue on the referendum topic by email later? | 00:31 |
| * juiceme goes to sleep | 00:31 | |
| peterleinchen | yep, lets go to sleep | 00:31 |
| juiceme | bye | 00:31 |
| peterleinchen | bye | 00:31 |
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| * Win7Mac is very disappointed about topic referendum being postponed again | 02:16 | |
| Win7Mac | and I comsider it an issue when 2/5 of Council being absent since months already. | 02:17 |
| Win7Mac | Probably remind the US guys by email prior to meeting. | 02:17 |
| Win7Mac | And as already talked to death, the situation around articles of association ยง 7.5 ("The Board of Directors executes the Council's and General Assembly's | 02:17 |
| Win7Mac | rulings.") *needs* to be resolved. This flaw is so obvious, it hurts. | 02:17 |
| Win7Mac | Council itself really should resolve this, not GA or Board. | 02:17 |
| Win7Mac | And, as also already repeated several times now, it should be made clear for once and all time that there's only *1* (unified) Council which admits to being a body of MC e.V. | 02:18 |
| Win7Mac | That'd be the last 2 steps to take in order to help MC e.V. stand on its' own solid feet. | 02:18 |
| Oksana | Of course, there is only 1 Council. | 02:18 |
| Win7Mac | there's guys around who think different | 02:18 |
| Oksana | :confused: How would 2nd Council get elected? | 02:19 |
| Win7Mac | ask them | 02:19 |
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| Win7Mac | Oksana, you seem to not like a ref., why? | 02:22 |
| Oksana | I do not exactly dislike a ref... I just want to be sure that 1) There is a reason-ambiguity which makes a ref needed; 2) All the plausible options are included, so that when people vote, they do not think like: it's two evils, I would have chosen a third option, but it's not here for some reason. | 02:24 |
| Win7Mac | this is the right approach. just do it! | 02:29 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme put this thread almost ~8 months ago... | 02:30 |
| Win7Mac | just for the popcorn time? | 02:30 |
| Oksana | :-) /Write these meeting minutes, publish previous meeting minutes, write a draft of letter to HiFo, take a look at referendum thread.../ | 02:31 |
| Win7Mac | if your conclusion from this discussion is: "let's not move" then that's sad... | 02:32 |
| Win7Mac | yeah, where'S that mail to Rob or Jaffa? | 02:32 |
| Win7Mac | I can tell from experience that mostly all things which go wrong come from people not doing the wrong thing bot not doing anything at all!!! | 02:34 |
| Win7Mac | at least within maemo community | 02:34 |
| Win7Mac | and it's representatives | 02:34 |
| Oksana | ;-) Do you want some details on real-life deadlines happening on my side? /Yes, I am aware that I am moving too slowly, the last two weeks or so.../ | 02:35 |
| Win7Mac | no personal offense to you Oksana, I'm glad you're there | 02:36 |
| Oksana | No offense taken ;-) | 02:37 |
| Win7Mac | but the issues seem to always reamin... :( | 02:37 |
| Win7Mac | put the referendum right and though shall have no fear... | 02:39 |
| Win7Mac | s/though/you | 02:44 |
| Oksana | thou? | 02:44 |
| Win7Mac | that's it! | 02:44 |
| Win7Mac | At least should have some kind of conlusion to the "On the roles..."-thread, no? | 02:47 |
| Win7Mac | At least *Council* should... | 02:47 |
| Win7Mac | That discussion is unhealthy, if not cannibalising... | 02:48 |
| Win7Mac | and therefore should come to an end, no? | 02:49 |
| Win7Mac | We already lost Nieldk (among others before him), isn't that a warning? | 02:50 |
| Win7Mac | please notice last sentence here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1469122&postcount=300 | 02:53 |
| Win7Mac | Oksana, still there? | 02:54 |
| Oksana | Yes.... | 02:55 |
| Win7Mac | avoidance is not an option, I guess | 03:00 |
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