| reinob | smtp_tls_session_cache_database | 00:00 |
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| reinob | fuck, sorry. multitasking | 00:00 |
| chem|st | reinob: there is actually no need to have GA sign off on reinbursing notary, postage or registration fees as long as there are receipts or invoices | 00:00 |
| Win7Mac | right | 00:01 |
| juiceme | all that will be presented for next fiscal year, when we have something to present. | 00:01 |
| reinob | you mean stuff is reimbursed by board vs GA | 00:01 |
| Win7Mac | yes | 00:01 |
| peterleinchen | so fiscal report 2014 done, as no more to say, or? | 00:02 |
| reinob | OK I guess I was talking generally. Maemo e.V. should reimburse all these things. Not GA-specific, of course. | 00:02 |
| reinob | yes | 00:02 |
| peterleinchen | reinob, of course | 00:02 |
| juiceme | it is the usual way, board handles the legal and financial things and reports to GA, which then has the final vote to acknowledge it | 00:02 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, yes, fiscal report is done now | 00:03 |
| Win7Mac | great, thanks juiceme | 00:03 |
| chem|st | reinob: chain is treasurer -> board -> GA, standard stuff can just be sent to treasurer, if anything is unclear board is asked, also for extraordinary expenses board is asked, then board presents everythign at GA once a year | 00:03 |
| reinob | Great. Thanks chem|st. | 00:04 |
| chem|st | the other way is the same, GA wants something it decides, board checks if it is allright and orders treasurer to proceed | 00:04 |
| chem|st | as the current balance of MCeV is virtually 0 GA can just sign off! So please proceed with that, I collect the vote | 00:06 |
| Win7Mac | ok'ed by me | 00:07 |
| peterleinchen | ACKed | 00:07 |
| warfare | ACK. | 00:07 |
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| reinob | ACK | 00:08 |
| peterleinchen | could we get a rough overview of laid out expenses by chemist, juiceme, warfare? (just out of interest) | 00:08 |
| eetz1 | ACK | 00:08 |
| peterleinchen | just roughly | 00:08 |
| Low__ | i would also like to know this. are we talking about 50, 500 or 5000 euros? | 00:09 |
| warfare | I'll pay the IPHH bill tomorrow, so with the two domains it's about 66€ | 00:09 |
| chem|st | peterleinchen: you'd actually need that to sign off :) | 00:09 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, I can do that. | 00:09 |
| chem|st | juiceme: you have a count on that? | 00:10 |
| chem|st | juiceme: needs to be on record somewhere anyway | 00:10 |
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| peterleinchen | chem|st I know but noboby claimed for money yet ;) | 00:10 |
| juiceme | I have not the exact calculations, but should I post it to wiki when I draw it up? | 00:11 |
| chem|st | peterleinchen: treasure has it all^^ | 00:11 |
| peterleinchen | just like Low__ said: are we in 10s, 100s. 1000s? | 00:11 |
| chem|st | juiceme: are yours missing? you can just tell what you have so far, anything added later is the next fiscal year anyway | 00:12 |
| Win7Mac | few 100s, probably 300 i guess | 00:12 |
| chem|st | niel never sent his notary fees in iirc | 00:12 |
| Low__ | o.O | 00:13 |
| Win7Mac | or 400 EURO | 00:13 |
| chem|st | so for now it is some like 84 from me and ~70 from juice | 00:14 |
| chem|st | he counted iphh and domains to MCeV already but that is still hifo | 00:15 |
| chem|st | so we are somewhere around -200 | 00:15 |
| Low__ | alright, this is like a ridiculous amount of guesswork going on right now. I propose that Treasurer prepares a written report by 1st of May 2015 and provides it by email to the members. | 00:15 |
| reinob | +1 | 00:16 |
| Win7Mac | sure | 00:16 |
| peterleinchen | but good enough guess (for me), so continue | 00:16 |
| Low__ | sure | 00:17 |
| peterleinchen | I'd like to know about transfer from HiFo (and their actions) | 00:18 |
| juiceme | Low__, I will do that. | 00:18 |
| chem|st | peterleinchen: you have to ask hifo about that (and that is not Win7Mac or me but the US part of HiFo), I asked to get it going in an email last week again | 00:18 |
| chem|st | peterleinchen: and that is top-6 if at all | 00:19 |
| peterleinchen | okay, postpone my question | 00:19 |
| juiceme | So, let it be written into minutes that the treasurer sends up-to-date report vy the end of march to GA members | 00:19 |
| Low__ | juiceme: thank you. | 00:19 |
| juiceme | can the GA accept that statement, does it need a vote? | 00:20 |
| chem|st | Sign-off of the fiscal year is therefor postponed, sign-off will happen by email and be announced with the minutes later this week. | 00:21 |
| Win7Mac | Jaffa + GeneralAntilles feign death... I really have no cue how to take down HiFo without their help | 00:21 |
| juiceme | chem|st, thank you. | 00:21 |
| chem|st | juiceme: we will see if you get reelected like that ;) | 00:22 |
| juiceme | indeed. | 00:23 |
| chem|st | so next topic then | 00:23 |
| juiceme | #top4 | 00:23 |
| juiceme | Election of the Board | 00:23 |
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| juiceme | Oksanaaa, welcome :) | 00:23 |
| chem|st | Oksanaaa: right timing! | 00:23 |
| peterleinchen | good mooorning | 00:23 |
| Oksanaaa | So, is it 23 minutes into GA? | 00:23 |
| Oksanaaa | Moin :-D | 00:24 |
| chem|st | Oksanaaa: 1:23 | 00:24 |
| Low__ | ew 1:23 | 00:24 |
| Win7Mac | moin ;) | 00:24 |
| * Low__ wheeps quietly. | 00:24 | |
| chem|st | Oksanaaa: please auth and I will take you accounted for | 00:24 |
| Oksanaaa | chemist: already auth-ed with NickServ | 00:25 |
| chem|st | Oksanaaa: you have been accounted for | 00:25 |
| juiceme | Oksanaaa, we are just going into #topic4 Election of the Board | 00:25 |
| juiceme | So, we have now the following confirmed candidates for the board: | 00:26 |
| * Oksanaaa is not sure what #topic4 is... | 00:26 | |
| juiceme | chem|st, warfare, juiceme | 00:26 |
| warfare | Oksanaaa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94675 | 00:26 |
| chem|st | 23:25 < juiceme> Oksanaaa, we are just going into #topic4 Election of the Board | 00:26 |
| Low__ | juiceme: how many do we need? | 00:27 |
| chem|st | 3 | 00:27 |
| juiceme | Now I am asking if there are more volunters stepping up? | 00:27 |
| Low__ | are all of them citizens of the EU? | 00:27 |
| * Oksanaaa is neither EU citizen nor EU resident... | 00:27 | |
| juiceme | 3 is the minimum, but as was noted earlier there is no uppr limit set | 00:27 |
| juiceme | Oksanaaa, yes, unfortunately as it currently is it is not possible to be notarized into board if not EU resident | 00:28 |
| chem|st | all three are accounted residents of the EU, founders and juiceme and chem|st are in office as of now | 00:28 |
| Oksanaaa | Low__ ^ | 00:29 |
| * shawnjefferson Not EU citizen | 00:29 | |
| Win7Mac | citizen OR resident | 00:29 |
| chem|st | shawnjefferson: permanent resident permit is enough | 00:29 |
| Win7Mac | right | 00:29 |
| Low__ | ah ty | 00:30 |
| * shawnjefferson not resident either sorry | 00:30 | |
| chem|st | Low__ Win7Mac as other founders would one of you please have the honor to be our voting fairy? | 00:30 |
| chem|st | or klinglerware as newest member? | 00:31 |
| Low__ | ok. what do i do? | 00:31 |
| chem|st | hold an election?! | 00:32 |
| Win7Mac | Low__, by members' single vote per candidate of either yes, no or abstention | 00:32 |
| Win7Mac | ok, let me do that | 00:32 |
| chem|st | juiceme: give your hat on! | 00:32 |
| klinglerware | I'm not in the EU, unfortunately | 00:32 |
| Low__ | fine. | 00:33 |
| chem|st | klinglerware: was asking about fairy, not nominating you ;) | 00:33 |
| Win7Mac | I ask everybody to raise your vote for 1st candidate juiceme: | 00:33 |
| klinglerware | Sorry, got distracted | 00:33 |
| chem|st | yes | 00:33 |
| peterleinchen | Yes | 00:33 |
| Win7Mac | vote yes, no or abstention | 00:33 |
| Low__ | yes | 00:33 |
| eetz1 | yes | 00:33 |
| juiceme | abstain | 00:33 |
| shawnjefferson | yes | 00:34 |
| Win7Mac | yes | 00:34 |
| klinglerware | Yes | 00:34 |
| * Oksanaaa asks how do we vote: is there an IRC command for that? | 00:34 | |
| reinob | yes | 00:34 |
| Win7Mac | eetz, what's your tmo nick? | 00:34 |
| Win7Mac | eetz1, ^^ | 00:35 |
| juiceme | Oksanaaa, no this is open vote, just voice your opinion :) | 00:35 |
| warfare | yes | 00:35 |
| eetz1 | eekkelund | 00:35 |
| Win7Mac | hi! ;) | 00:35 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: you get a list with all of it later (you need garage not tmo) | 00:35 |
| Oksanaaa | Does election-holder have to be in the EU, or only the candidates? | 00:35 |
| juiceme | candidates only | 00:35 |
| juiceme | everyone in GA can vote | 00:36 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st, i know, just didn't know he's member already | 00:36 |
| eetz1 | Hello :) yeah i applied this week | 00:36 |
| Win7Mac | so, everybody gave his vote? | 00:36 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st, anybody missing? | 00:37 |
| Oksanaaa | How? | 00:37 |
| chem|st | Oksanaaa: you need to vote | 00:37 |
| chem|st | yes no or abstent | 00:37 |
| Oksanaaa | How? | 00:37 |
| Oksanaaa | Is there a vote command, or what? | 00:38 |
| chem|st | Oksanaaa: write it | 00:38 |
| Low__ | Oksanaaa: just type "yes" or "no" or "absent" and hit <ENTER> | 00:38 |
| Win7Mac | type "yes" please ;) | 00:38 |
| chem|st | public vote | 00:38 |
| juiceme | no command needed | 00:38 |
| Win7Mac | LOL | 00:38 |
| chem|st | *sigh* | 00:38 |
| * Low__ slaps around the Vote Button with a trout. | 00:38 | |
| reinob | go for it Oksana! | 00:38 |
| Oksanaaa | yes for chemist, juiceme, warfare | 00:39 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 00:39 |
| Oksanaaa | reinob :-) | 00:39 |
| juiceme | thank you, all at the same time :) | 00:39 |
| chem|st | all in one go then^^ | 00:39 |
| Win7Mac | ok, I see juiceme has been elected as director | 00:40 |
| reinob | if all in one go: I vote yes to the three of them | 00:40 |
| Win7Mac | anonimously* | 00:40 |
| reinob | :)) | 00:40 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: that is all we have a (10/0/1) count | 00:40 |
| reinob | Win7Mac: unanimously, I presume :) | 00:40 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, the next candidate please :) | 00:40 |
| Win7Mac | i consider that unan... | 00:41 |
| Low__ | oh well. i hereby declare this bizare open. erm. sorry. got carried away. | 00:41 |
| Win7Mac | next candidate: chem|st | 00:41 |
| chem|st | abstent | 00:41 |
| juiceme | yes | 00:41 |
| Win7Mac | yes | 00:41 |
| peterleinchen | yes | 00:41 |
| Low__ | yes | 00:41 |
| reinob | yes | 00:41 |
| eetz1 | yes | 00:41 |
| warfare | yes | 00:42 |
| chem|st | klinglerware: shawnjefferson your vote please | 00:42 |
| chem|st | Oksanaaa: you stick to all yes? | 00:43 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st, thanks | 00:43 |
| Oksana | Yes :-) | 00:43 |
| * Oksana got to desktop, finally... | 00:43 | |
| shawnjefferson | yes | 00:44 |
| reinob | Oksanaaa is now Oksana? | 00:44 |
| klinglerware | yes | 00:44 |
| Win7Mac | ok, then please vote for next candidate: warfare aka Falk Stern (and BIG THANKS for running!) | 00:44 |
| chem|st | yes | 00:45 |
| Win7Mac | YES! | 00:45 |
| Low__ | yes | 00:45 |
| juiceme | yes | 00:45 |
| klinglerware | yes | 00:45 |
| reinob | yes! | 00:45 |
| eetz1 | yes | 00:45 |
| warfare | abstent | 00:46 |
| chem|st | peterleinchen shawnjefferson your vote please | 00:46 |
| chem|st | peterleinchen shawnjefferson your vote please | 00:47 |
| shawnjefferson | yes | 00:47 |
| Win7Mac | ok, thanks everybody. I note that all 3 candidates have bee elected by unanimous vote. Congratulations and thanks for taking the duty | 00:48 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: peterleinchen is missing | 00:48 |
| Win7Mac | oops | 00:48 |
| juiceme | thank *you* all for the honors! | 00:48 |
| juiceme | oh | 00:48 |
| reinob | thanks guys. (elected) candidates and voters | 00:48 |
| juiceme | I hope he's not asleep at the kbd | 00:48 |
| chem|st | peterleinchen: ? | 00:48 |
| reinob | (I'm going to bed now. No Osterferien for me..) | 00:49 |
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| chem|st | Win7Mac: I count that as an abstent | 00:50 |
| Win7Mac | ok, peterleinchen may give his vote later? | 00:50 |
| juiceme | I think it needs to be done now. | 00:50 |
| chem|st | pmgc: you just missed the election | 00:50 |
| juiceme | however there are enough votes | 00:50 |
| Win7Mac | right, ok, then let's consider this as "abstent" | 00:51 |
| Win7Mac | result remains the same as announced | 00:51 |
| pmgc | bloody hell. Couldn't get back in enough time for it. Durn ... | 00:51 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, thank you | 00:52 |
| chem|st | thank you for your renewed trust in us, and welcome warfare, someone who knows how to keep us running or at least our servers ;) | 00:52 |
| Win7Mac | warfare, do you accept? | 00:52 |
| warfare | Yes. :) | 00:52 |
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| Win7Mac | AWESOME ;) | 00:52 |
| juiceme | okay, then to next topic | 00:53 |
| juiceme | #top5 Amendment of Articles of Association / Association Rules | 00:53 |
| chem|st | just to keep the cont. I accept too... | 00:53 |
| juiceme | Do we have anything here? | 00:53 |
| Oksana | (Treasurer prepares a written report by 1st of May 2015 and provides it by email to the members.) Interesting... Also, would be greatly interested in public record of all expenses and donations of HiFo. This was a great start: http://hildonfoundation.org/supporters/ | 00:54 |
| Win7Mac | (re)assign chair, secretary, treasurer to directors maybe? | 00:54 |
| juiceme | ah, yes, for the records, I accept board membership | 00:54 |
| chem|st | #top5 is omitted as no changes have been requested | 00:54 |
| Win7Mac | could be done internally later though | 00:54 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: later | 00:55 |
| juiceme | Oksana, yes, we discussed it rather lengthily, even as there is not so much to discuss :) | 00:55 |
| juiceme | so to move to last topic then | 00:55 |
| juiceme | #top6 Any other business | 00:55 |
| chem|st | May I have the word please. | 00:55 |
| juiceme | please | 00:55 |
| * Low__ is curious. | 00:56 | |
| chem|st | I discussed with a collegue at work possibilities of registering as NPO and the perks | 00:56 |
| chem|st | We initially thought it is a bad idea to register as NPO (non-profit) | 00:56 |
| chem|st | as there are several tax things to consider | 00:57 |
| chem|st | I learnt recently that this is not the case | 00:57 |
| peterleinchen | late YES to warfare (sorry) | 00:57 |
| Win7Mac | accepted ;) | 00:57 |
| chem|st | at least not as long as we stay below the profit mark set (currently somewhere in the 30k I believe) | 00:57 |
| Win7Mac | well *I* never thought it is a bad idea to register as NPO | 00:58 |
| juiceme | oo, that should not be a problem :) | 00:58 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: not in general but if you start reading about tax declaration... puhh | 00:58 |
| Oksana | Interesting... So how is NPO different from e.V.?.. | 00:58 |
| * Oksana wonders if Association Rules are also known as Bylaws? http://wiki.maemo.org/MaemoCommunity_eV#Bylaws | 00:59 | |
| Win7Mac | e.V. is neede for NPO | 00:59 |
| Win7Mac | *needed | 00:59 |
| juiceme | Oksana it should be pretty much the same, AFAIK we need not change anything to be a NPO | 00:59 |
| Win7Mac | right | 00:59 |
| chem|st | so as long as we do not recalim taxes (VAT or something) and do not exceed the annual income limit we are only needed to hand in our books every 3 years to renew or better said, reproof being worthy a registered NPO | 00:59 |
| Oksana | Ok, so what would be the benefits of registering as NPO? | 01:00 |
| Win7Mac | we already fullfill the requirements. I made sure we do ;) | 01:00 |
| chem|st | in terms of our side not much is needed, "board" needs to apply for it, our bylaws are already setup for it | 01:00 |
| Low__ | we can accept tax-deductable donations | 01:00 |
| Oksana | Great ;-) | 01:00 |
| juiceme | that's a nice bonus | 01:01 |
| Win7Mac | exactly | 01:01 |
| chem|st | we can accept up to those 30k donations instead of just 5k | 01:01 |
| Oksana | Anything else? Any other bonuses of registering as NPO? | 01:01 |
| Win7Mac | thanks for looking into that, chem|st ! | 01:01 |
| chem|st | tax-deductable ony in countries that have that law... | 01:01 |
| chem|st | only | 01:01 |
| juiceme | I am not sure what the law is in finlad | 01:02 |
| chem|st | other bonus, as long as we are within those bounds we do not need to pay fees at court | 01:02 |
| Oksana | :-) | 01:02 |
| chem|st | we do not need to file tax reports | 01:02 |
| juiceme | the registration fees for changing board members and like? | 01:02 |
| juiceme | that's a good thong too! :) | 01:03 |
| chem|st | we can claim all benefits an NPO can claim, at least in germany, we could even apply for EU aids | 01:03 |
| juiceme | purrfect ::) | 01:03 |
| chem|st | juiceme: yes and alike, I wont need to pay for copy of our records | 01:04 |
| Oksana | ;-D | 01:04 |
| chem|st | or for copies of records within this court's duty | 01:04 |
| juiceme | and as it stands, we moight even get some, it *so* deends on ou you write up the application! | 01:04 |
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| Low__ | still there's the requirement to have simple book keeping, and to renew the NPO status from time to time. | 01:04 |
| chem|st | I just wanted to let you know that I will persue this with the new board this year | 01:05 |
| juiceme | sure, this sounds a good course. | 01:05 |
| Low__ | also, keep in mind, it's not only "non profit", it's explicitly "for the common good" | 01:05 |
| peterleinchen | chem|st thank you | 01:05 |
| chem|st | yes we need proper bookkeeping and to renew every other other year | 01:05 |
| Oksana | Simple book keeping would be greatly welcome. Like, something similar to the Donors Wall here: all donations, expenses, and such... | 01:06 |
| juiceme | but it is not additional burden as bookkeeping is needed in any case | 01:06 |
| Low__ | juiceme: true. | 01:06 |
| chem|st | Low__: good point Low__ , we are not allowed to hord funds though, at least not beyond any reasonable amount (doubt this is ever gonna happen but well) | 01:06 |
| juiceme | yes, 30keur might seem a lot now but if we are to take over the world later... :) | 01:07 |
| peterleinchen | sorry I am off (was already ;)), please do not forget discuss about "how to end HiFo and transfer to e.V.", good night | 01:07 |
| * Oksana thinks that funds should be protected from bank fees, if possible... | 01:07 | |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, gn | 01:07 |
| Low__ | juiceme: the common good in a quite leninist way | 01:07 |
| juiceme | :P | 01:07 |
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| eetz1 | I like that NPO idea | 01:08 |
| * Oksana likes it, too... | 01:08 | |
| chem|st | Oksana: well for those who want that, books itself will need to be checked by 3rd party (not board, and preferably not GA but community would be nice) | 01:08 |
| Win7Mac | (read: council) | 01:09 |
| juiceme | I'll follow peters lead and hit the sack now too. Getting a bit droopy and I need to wake up to work in 5 hours | 01:09 |
| Low__ | Oksana: there's good bank account deals for NPOs here, i just suspect we won't get far if we have to stick to certain big banks | 01:09 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: for example | 01:09 |
| chem|st | Low__: that is what we tried for 6 months yes | 01:09 |
| eetz1 | unfortunately I have to go to sleep, early wake up tomorrow.. good night :) | 01:09 |
| chem|st | eetz1: thanks for your time | 01:09 |
| chem|st | and a warm welcome ;) | 01:09 |
| chem|st | so to cut it short that's it from me on that topic | 01:10 |
| juiceme | gnite everyone! | 01:10 |
| eetz1 | Haha thank you :-D | 01:10 |
| pmgc | gnite | 01:10 |
| juiceme | and thanks for attending this important meeting! | 01:10 |
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| chem|st | AOB? | 01:10 |
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| shawnjefferson | Thanks to everyone involved! | 01:10 |
| juiceme | I'd say AOB is done now. | 01:11 |
| chem|st | ok close at 22:11? | 01:11 |
| Oksana | Okay, does that mean that in GMT+11 the maemo meetings will happen before 7:00 and 8:00? (20:00 GMT, right?) | 01:11 |
| chem|st | Oksana: UTC, and I forgot that I have to think about AU... | 01:12 |
| Win7Mac | ok, thanks everybody + goodnite | 01:12 |
| chem|st | next time we could do that on your late hours and US has to get up early^^ | 01:12 |
| * Oksana shrugs... | 01:13 | |
| Oksana | It's likely DST messing it up. It was 08:00-09:00, before... | 01:14 |
| chem|st | oh that bad | 01:15 |
| chem|st | if that is fine for you, it is still 08:00 for you till next week | 01:15 |
| * Low__ is off for tonight, too. Sleep tight! | 01:16 | |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 01:16 |
| Win7Mac | bye | 01:16 |
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| chem|st | warfare: juiceme lets sort board positions somewhere next week - I will prepare papers for court and stuff after that | 01:19 |
| warfare | chem|st: ok with me :) | 01:19 |
| chem|st | thanks for joining in, I am so glad we got the 3 together again | 01:20 |
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| warfare | :) | 01:21 |
| warfare | Off to bed now, 6 hours left until the alarm goes off.. | 01:21 |
| chem|st | well that is one of the nightmares coming up when starting a meeting like that with only 2 candidates | 01:21 |
| chem|st | sleep well | 01:22 |
| warfare | Good night everyone! | 01:22 |
| chem|st | Good night from me too. | 01:24 |
| * Oksana does not get the timezones, at all... | 01:30 | |
| chem|st | Oksana: GMT is now BST, if you think you need to add that hour, don't | 01:32 |
| chem|st | UTC never changes | 01:32 |
| chem|st | DST is fscking all of us | 01:32 |
| Oksana | I'm just, like, I used to have council-meetings between 08:00 and 09:00, and now they threaten to move to 07:00-08:00. And that's not Sydney's DST-change because Sydney changes from summer to winter, and hence, it would have been +1 hour, not -1 hour, if it was it... | 01:36 |
| Oksana | DST will end here about 6-days later. | 01:37 |
| * Oksana does not get it... | 01:37 | |
| Oksana | Okay, so six days later, it will be GMT+10 here? So -1 hour? Where is the logic in that? | 01:38 |
| Oksana | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/australia/sydney | 01:38 |
| chem|st | Oksana: +1 | 01:44 |
| chem|st | Oksana: europe is on DST +2h and without DST +1h | 01:45 |
| chem|st | the time we are talking is UTC, people refer sometimes to GMT as UTC+1 in DST but that is wrong iirc as GMT is UTC+2seconds or the other way round | 01:46 |
| chem|st | DST for GMT is called BST and is UTC+1 | 01:47 |
| Oksana | Well, here DST ends in six-or-so days. So it will be -1 hour, compared to what exists now. It will be GMT+10=UTC+10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney | 01:48 |
| chem|st | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20150329T20&p1=0&p2=240 | 01:48 |
| chem|st | ah it ends... sure you are on the other side... | 01:49 |
| Oksana | Okay, I wrapped my head around the logic. The morning is getting darker and darker as winter approaches, so they pretend it's seven o'clock, when it's still the same eight o'clock, just winter-ed... | 01:49 |
| chem|st | sorry that was my fault, you are going down fall we are having spring | 01:49 |
| * Oksana thinks that DST widens the gap between Southern and Northern hemispheres... | 01:50 | |
| Oksana | What do people on the equator think? Do they notice this sudden 2h-jump?.. | 01:51 |
| chem|st | I already get in trouble with the US when they are 3 weeks early | 01:51 |
| chem|st | on changing to or from DST | 01:51 |
| chem|st | it is such a stupid invention | 01:52 |
| Oksana | Well, it worked, when light pollution was not as pronounced... | 01:52 |
| chem|st | in western europen it costs more than it ever saved | 01:53 |
| Oksana | You can note that people on the equator either never used DST, or stopped using it... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time | 01:53 |
| chem|st | cycling train and flight schedules alone... | 01:53 |
| chem|st | it was to save power but in these times some lightbulbs going off or on an hour different does not change anything as the main powerconsumption are factories with 24/7 shifts | 01:55 |
| chem|st | got to go then... can you help out with the minutes when they are to be posted please | 01:56 |
| chem|st | will notify you when they are uploaded on some etherpad | 01:56 |
| Oksana | Will help out... Is Win7Mac going to email the draft to board and council?.. | 01:56 |
| Oksana | Ah, etherpad... | 01:57 |
| Oksana | Thank you :-) | 01:57 |
| chem|st | we need to translate everything and keep a specific form for court so it is better to work on them together | 01:57 |
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| juiceme | good morning, back at work with shiny eyes and bushy tail :) | 07:24 |
| Oksana | Moin | 08:28 |
| juiceme | so, how is the DST thing affecting you in Australia? is the Council meeting now too early for you? | 08:32 |
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| juiceme | as it happens for me it is rather on the late side; Finland DST time is UTC+3 which means that 21:00 is midnight... :( | 08:36 |
| * Oksana yawns... | 08:47 | |
| Oksana | If you want, meet on 20:00 UTC. I will arrive here not earlier than 21:00 UTC, though, I think. So I will be habitually late to the meetings. But it's better than no meetings at all... | 08:48 |
| juiceme | so you also have DST in Australia? I cannot really remember since it was so long ago when I lived down under. | 08:49 |
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| Oksana | Yes, different states do it differently | 08:50 |
| Oksana | But SA and NSW seem to have DST... | 08:50 |
| juiceme | I used to live in WA | 08:50 |
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| juiceme | but one thing I don't understand, when we change over to DST it means that the meeting is *later* for me, howcome it is *earlier* for you? | 08:51 |
| Oksana | Other Hemisphere. Autumn | 08:51 |
| juiceme | since the *real* meeting tiome does not change... | 08:52 |
| juiceme | what? | 08:52 |
| juiceme | ooh | 08:52 |
| juiceme | OMG yes, you are going towards winter now | 08:52 |
| * Oksana was confused, a lot, too... | 08:52 | |
| Oksana | Do Not Eat Australian Strawberries! http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-29/toxic-pesticide-used-on-australian-strawberries/6354488 | 08:52 |
| juiceme | I had no idea DST is that badly screwed | 08:52 |
| Oksana | Because people on equator do not use it. | 08:53 |
| * juiceme thinks it should be abandoned now and for good! | 08:53 | |
| * Oksana will raise this question with NSW parliament... Maybe | 08:54 | |
| juiceme | :) | 08:54 |
| juiceme | it's late afternoon in NSW now, fiveish? | 08:54 |
| Oksana | Yes, 5 minutes before 17:00 | 08:56 |
| * Oksana grimaces: the Minister responsible for DST in NSW is Attorney General | 08:56 | |
| juiceme | is that bad? | 08:57 |
| juiceme | (don't know a bit of current politics in Australia) | 08:57 |
| Oksana | Okay, federal-Australian Attorney General is no good: metadata retention laws, and such. Anti-privacy, and I do not remember what else... | 08:58 |
| Oksana | But, NSW Attorney General, Brad Hazzard... Let's look him up... | 08:58 |
| juiceme | uh, we have similar bunch here in Finmland too. | 08:59 |
| Oksana | http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/viewtop/inforce/act+149+1987+cd+0+N/?autoquery=%28Content%3D%28%28%22daylight%20saving%22%29%29%29%20AND%20%28%28Type%3D%22act%22%20AND%20Repealed%3D%22N%22%29%20OR%20%28Type%3D%22subordleg%22%20AND%20Repealed%3D%22N%22%29%29&dq=Document%20T | 09:00 |
| juiceme | heh, you have fractional times in the isles :) | 09:03 |
| Oksana | Lord Howe ;-/ | 09:05 |
| Oksana | Letter sent ;-) Let's wait for response from Honourable Brad Hazzard... | 09:07 |
| juiceme | seems a lonely place... halfway between AUS and NZ | 09:07 |
| juiceme | excellent! | 09:07 |
| juiceme | I just sent mail to nieldk and asked for copies of his receipts for the notarification and postage. | 09:09 |
| juiceme | Oksana, how come you got ops on the channel even as you are not cloaked? weird... | 09:11 |
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| chem|st | juiceme: warfare when you are available... lowest impact on board positions would be if juiceme and myself stay either chair or treasurer, that would make warfare second in command (1st vice eg secretary), how do you want to have it? | 13:25 |
| chem|st | we need to file changes at court anyway, only banking stuff would need to be altered - should not be a big deal with warfare being in germany and I don't know if he is not required to register anyway or if I just need to update them with the same as court - will check with them | 13:29 |
| warfare | secretary is fine with me ;) | 13:33 |
| juiceme | chem|st, I am happy with that. | 13:55 |
| chem|st | ok I will check with bank and court if they need anything... warfare did you put yourself on board alias yet? | 14:01 |
| warfare | Not yet. | 14:09 |
| chem|st | warfare: I need your full credentials then too, DOB, POB, address etc (email of your passport/ID with streetaddress should be fine) | 14:15 |
| chem|st | cheapest way is actually when warfare signs and notarizes this years stuff, public notarization at town-cityhall is pretty cheap in .de and we'd save postage too I guess | 14:17 |
| chem|st | otoh juiceme knows the drill^^ | 14:17 |
| chem|st | so to have it on record here can I have an aye on juiceme 2nd vice+treasurere warfare 1st vice+secretary chem|st chair | 14:21 |
| warfare | aye? | 14:37 |
| juiceme | aye, on record from me. | 15:06 |
| chem|st | warfare: we need to have everything on the record and therefor in minutes for court | 15:31 |
| chem|st | I hate it myself but we need to send in a consistent paper trail from invitation to change of registration | 15:32 |
| chem|st | in our case, digital paper trail printed in the end signed notarized snailmailed | 15:33 |
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