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| MentalistTraceur | Hello all. | 22:11 |
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| MentalistTraceur | Oh, I'm an hour early. | 22:16 |
| MentalistTraceur | *Facepalm* | 22:16 |
| MentalistTraceur | Stupid daylight savings time. Even though I have my clocks set to UTC time, I got it into my head it was at 16 hours localtime, 'cept it's now at 17 hours localtime. | 22:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | I'll be back in approx. an hour then... | 22:17 |
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| juiceme | hiya! | 22:18 |
| juiceme | ah, just missed ya... | 22:19 |
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| juiceme | gerbick, hi! | 23:02 |
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| gerbick | Hi there juiceme | 23:02 |
| juiceme | M4rtinK, hi! | 23:02 |
| juiceme | gerbick, how's it down there, busy? | 23:02 |
| M4rtinK | juiceme: hi :) | 23:03 |
| gerbick | sorry about that... yep busy. And the daylight savings time change clashes with my schedule even more. But... I'll find a way | 23:08 |
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| juiceme | yes... How come the DST affects you now, I thought the swithc happens at the same time everywhere (and we are still some time off it) | 23:11 |
| juiceme | MentalistTraceur, hi! | 23:11 |
| MentalistTraceur | juiceme: DST is pretty much an arbitrarily-decided-by-gov't thing, so different places have different DST switch dates, | 23:12 |
| MentalistTraceur | or none at all. | 23:12 |
| MentalistTraceur | Hello all. | 23:12 |
| juiceme | peterlenichen is probably absent today | 23:13 |
| gerbick | Hey there MentalistTraceur | 23:14 |
| MentalistTraceur | For example, I THINK Russia pegged itself permanently to DST a few years back, now they never switch back to regular time, as I understand it. | 23:14 |
| gerbick | DST is a waste of time. | 23:14 |
| juiceme | agree. as I have stated befpre I don't really care which way it is, as long as the process of swithcing it back and forward is stopped | 23:15 |
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| juiceme | Oksana1, hi! | 23:16 |
| MentalistTraceur | Once upon a time it wasn't such a crappy idea, back when energy usage patterns were different and it actually made sense to 'shift' people's daily schedules for a time to change said energy usage. | 23:16 |
| Oksana1 | /msg nickserv help | 23:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | Nowadays though, it's pretty much yet another one of those moronic things where humanity does something because it's got inertial behind it. | 23:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/inertial/inertia/ | 23:17 |
| juiceme | agree. it's a fossil of agrarian times when you have to rise up to milk da cows at some predefined time | 23:18 |
| juiceme | no coo's hereabouts :) | 23:18 |
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| MentalistTraceur | (Sidenote: Actually, as I understand it the agrarian thing is a common misconseption, it has little if anything to do with farming, and more to do with burning fossil fuels. Cuz it was first done on a wide scale in WW1 by the germans for fuel conservation) | 23:21 |
| MentalistTraceur | But anyway, onto community matters. | 23:21 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:21 |
| MentalistTraceur | On that note, I have no updates of note. | 23:22 |
| juiceme | I have update on the election PHP code. The personal URL thing now works as according to my tests, but I urge you to check for yourself | 23:23 |
| juiceme | If you want to test the election code on your own machine, you need a simple LAMP setup, just initialize mysql database with the schema I included in the svn repo. | 23:25 |
| juiceme | you need to fix up the templates path in maemo_elections/include/election-sql.php to point to where you have the templates | 23:26 |
| juiceme | populate the electorate table with some sample users | 23:27 |
| juiceme | create admin user for yourself in admin_users table | 23:28 |
| juiceme | and you are ready to go :) | 23:28 |
| gerbick | No updates - but then again I'm not necessarily doing anything worth noting. | 23:29 |
| juiceme | of course the mailing won't work as it has a separete mailer python script that draind mails from outbound_email table, but you will see how it works | 23:29 |
| juiceme | gerbick, no problem, sure there can be tasks worth taking :) | 23:30 |
| juiceme | I almost convinced myself that it would be worthwhile to rewrite the election machine in node.js :) :) :) | 23:30 |
| gerbick | ooh | 23:31 |
| juiceme | :P | 23:31 |
| gerbick | I'm coding way less now, nearly 100% UX. | 23:31 |
| juiceme | what type of UX'es, web? | 23:32 |
| gerbick | Enterprise applications for the most part, but also mobile apps as well. | 23:32 |
| juiceme | I've recently done some small dabbling on UI too, but moslty I try to stay on the server side of things | 23:33 |
| gerbick | That was my domain; however the last 7 years has seen me shift from backend to frontend. Development to strategy has been a wise decision for me though. I've never been busier. | 23:35 |
| juiceme | yes, I imagine a lot of change requests and features do center on the presentation front | 23:36 |
| gerbick | Welcome to my personal Hades. Daily change requests in an iterative design is... "fun" with a capital F & U. | 23:38 |
| juiceme | ahhahhaa :) | 23:38 |
| juiceme | well we do what's called thru-the-system features, which means same team implements a feature from the UI thru all intermediate layers to the deepest backend and networked parts. fairly busy that, too :) | 23:40 |
| juiceme | and we've got few teams doing that all the time, code's in git and everybody's got access to it. creates nice conflicts in merge requests sometimes :) | 23:41 |
| gerbick | if communication was not the issue, I'd incorporate the same. but the headcount is too large for my current client. | 23:42 |
| gerbick | sorry, didn't mean to disrupt the conversation. | 23:43 |
| juiceme | yes, of course the product architecture shapes the development methods and team needs. and vice versa. | 23:43 |
| juiceme | np, seems there's nothing else going ATM :) | 23:43 |
| gerbick | so where are we with the bank account and the transition from hifo going? | 23:43 |
| juiceme | chemist has reported that the bank acount setup is progressing. | 23:44 |
| juiceme | slowly but all should be in order | 23:45 |
| juiceme | there was a bill from iphh that I believe Gido paid. | 23:45 |
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| juiceme | Oksanaaa, hi again :) | 23:46 |
| juiceme | do you have problem logging in to your account? | 23:47 |
| MentalistTraceur | Sorry, I had to step afk while a work superior was talking to me. Back now, catching up on channel history. | 23:47 |
| juiceme | MentalistTraceur, OK. | 23:48 |
| juiceme | have you checked my PHP modification? | 23:48 |
| rZr | hi | 23:51 |
| juiceme | rZr, hi! | 23:51 |
| MentalistTraceur | juiceme: Nope. I keep thinking I'll have time to look into it, and keep turning out to be wrong in that regard. I'll try to take a look tonight. (Sidenote: re nodejs: I've been doing a lot of nodejs coding lately, and I'm always in favor of recoding PHP into anything-but-PHP (except perhaps Prolog or Erlang or something abstract like that), but personally, I'm not sure it's any better ... | 23:51 |
| gerbick | hi there rZr | 23:51 |
| MentalistTraceur | ... than Python/Perl/Ruby/whatever for the voting machine code.) | 23:51 |
| juiceme | MentalistTraceur, I also am heavily into nodejs now... used to be more c and python | 23:52 |
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| juiceme | seems Oksana has some problems there... | 23:52 |
| MentalistTraceur | Indeed. | 23:53 |
| MentalistTraceur | (Me too, as of late, btw. Both because my job used it for one of their projects, and because I wanted socket.io for one of my long-term personal projects and nothing else has a good socket.io implementation that's up-to-date.) | 23:55 |
| juiceme | Anyway, MT, as I described about a page up you can easily run&check the code on any LAMP installation | 23:56 |
| MentalistTraceur | *nod* | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | doe node.js still use a no longer supported version of V8 that is no longer getting security fixes ? ;-) | 23:58 |
| juiceme | and the data models are *so* much easier to code in nodejs than PHP... I just think of the years I wasted back when I did more PHP... t's good that there nowdays are alternatives! | 23:58 |
| juiceme | v8 gets fixes all the time... | 23:58 |
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| juiceme | I guess all the hot things happen in io.js nowdays but still... node is well supported AFAIK | 23:59 |
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