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| peterleinchen | Hi all. | 23:00 |
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| juiceme | Hiya! | 23:01 |
| juiceme | how's things? | 23:02 |
| peterleinchen | quite okay :) | 23:02 |
| peterleinchen | need 5 minutes to get to bed ... | 23:03 |
| juiceme | allright, having meeting from da bed? :) | 23:03 |
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| juiceme | MentalistTraceur, hi! | 23:07 |
| MentalistTraceur | Hey! | 23:07 |
| juiceme | how's the weather there? | 23:07 |
| MentalistTraceur | Acceptable. A bit rainy. | 23:07 |
| juiceme | not snow though? we are having nice -5C and sunny weather here | 23:08 |
| peterleinchen | back from da bed :) | 23:08 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, tell me more about snow. how does it look like? :( | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, all lega and knees okay? | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen | s/lega/legs/ | 23:10 |
| juiceme | cool, nice to look at, not so much when there's a kilo of the stuff under your clothes :) | 23:10 |
| juiceme | yes, no broken bones | 23:10 |
| peterleinchen | powder? | 23:11 |
| peterleinchen | or track boarder? | 23:11 |
| MentalistTraceur | No, I'm in FL. | 23:11 |
| juiceme | I only wish. there's not been enough fall to get good powdery rides | 23:11 |
| juiceme | the slopes are pretty much icy over | 23:11 |
| juiceme | Florida... not much snow there this time of the year :) | 23:12 |
| MentalistTraceur | So this weekend I learned when compiling nodejs 0.12.0 on one of my N900s, that the GCC 4.6 in the repos actually defaults to a wrong/older ARM architecture. | 23:13 |
| juiceme | saw some crazy stuff yesterday, are you familiar with downhill skating :) | 23:13 |
| MentalistTraceur | ARMv4${something_or_other}, instead of ARMv7-A | 23:13 |
| juiceme | MentalistTraceur, how were you able to compile v8 on 4.6? | 23:13 |
| juiceme | I have found the bloody thing requires fairly new compiler | 23:14 |
| MentalistTraceur | I don't remember having to do anything special once I fixed the architecture problem by adding -march=armv7-a to g++'s args. | 23:15 |
| juiceme | mmh, at least on mips it does not work that easy | 23:15 |
| juiceme | last week I was trying to do some profiling stuff on node/v8, to find a suspected memory leak and I had no end of trouble with compiler versions... | 23:16 |
| MentalistTraceur | If it makes you feel any better I had a similar plight with fwknop and GCC 4.2 | 23:16 |
| juiceme | it does ease my pain a little :) | 23:17 |
| MentalistTraceur | As an added bonus, it built fine, but then segfaulted. | 23:21 |
| MentalistTraceur | So I guess Oksana is out for the time being? Something about vacation? | 23:22 |
| juiceme | yes I got that impression. | 23:23 |
| MentalistTraceur | As a status update on my end, I did /not/, once again, get around to looking at the PHP code. | 23:23 |
| juiceme | So am I BTW but still managed to attend | 23:23 |
| juiceme | yes, I think everybody has been worrying about the TM thingy lately | 23:23 |
| peterleinchen | exactly | 23:25 |
| juiceme | Also for the record, not much to report from me either. The banking status is now ongoing, hopefully all papers are accepted so we need not refill anything. | 23:25 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, thanks. which bank was now chosen? | 23:25 |
| juiceme | Deutche Bank | 23:26 |
| peterleinchen | okay. anything to discuss about TMs? | 23:26 |
| peterleinchen | I guess no, or? | 23:27 |
| juiceme | not really. | 23:27 |
| peterleinchen | as we would need board members present | 23:27 |
| juiceme | there was this suggestion to put up the thing in indiegogo, any sense in that? | 23:27 |
| peterleinchen | oh, one we have! :) | 23:27 |
| juiceme | to make the community decide what they want to support | 23:28 |
| peterleinchen | hmm, not really | 23:28 |
| peterleinchen | even the worldwide TM renewal would be such a stretch goal, but fund raising for an eV on igg/.... | 23:29 |
| peterleinchen | ? | 23:29 |
| juiceme | well there's been stranger things there I guess | 23:29 |
| peterleinchen | THAT is true, indeed! | 23:30 |
| MentalistTraceur | I think an indiegogo has a particular level of fundraising management convenience that just going "donate plz" doesn't: it let people see current progress as immediately, AND the stretch-goal functionality allows people to have a much more visual indicator of what they're fundraising money up-to. | 23:30 |
| MentalistTraceur | Wow lots of grammar-messing-up typos in that... | 23:31 |
| MentalistTraceur | But I think you can still read it. | 23:31 |
| peterleinchen | but do we expect more publicity for Maemo on igg/ks/...? really? | 23:31 |
| juiceme | y, the message got thru | 23:31 |
| peterleinchen | MentalistTraceur, yep | 23:32 |
| MentalistTraceur | No, I wouldn't expect more publicity, but it's not at all about the publicity from my perspective, | 23:34 |
| MentalistTraceur | I didn't suggest it to try to reach a wider audience, but just to make donations from the existing audience easier to raise. | 23:35 |
| juiceme | it is true using igg makes it transparent. Just one thing though, as the visibility *will* be wider than usual community, can it be harmful somehow? | 23:37 |
| peterleinchen | okay, but they also take 4% (or even 10?) | 23:37 |
| MentalistTraceur | At any rate, I think what we really want to figure out, is specifically what the priority of each class of TMs is. As I noted in my emails, I think Class 9 > Class 42 > Class 38, so much so that I think dropping the class 38 registrations anywhere is probably better than losing Class 9 country registrations, and that dropping class 42 might be better than losing Class 9 registrations. | 23:38 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, harming I cannot see now using igg&co. what do you have in mind? | 23:38 |
| juiceme | 10% is not that bad I guess, as even plain transfer via any means will take some cut | 23:38 |
| peterleinchen | MTraceur, yep. my view also | 23:39 |
| peterleinchen | for EU we can (and should) keep all three for same price | 23:39 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, by harmful I mean if some hostile party sees that we raise money to get TM's they might try to wrest those from us? | 23:40 |
| MentalistTraceur | juiceme: possible, but I imagine not too likely. | 23:40 |
| juiceme | I don't know, might be unlikely | 23:40 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, there are always bad guys out there ;) | 23:40 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:40 |
| peterleinchen | but I do not think so | 23:41 |
| peterleinchen | one item that I could not remember last meeting: | 23:42 |
| peterleinchen | the wiki page "updating the firmware" is locked | 23:42 |
| MentalistTraceur | Anyway, I guess the prioritization needs to wait until we've checked with Roschier what the cost breakdown is on each class, as well as clarification on what exactly falls under each description. I can draft those questions up for us to review tonight or tomorrow, and then that can send them to Roschier whenever the next email goes out to them. | 23:42 |
| peterleinchen | and some guy wanted to do so, but could not | 23:42 |
| peterleinchen | MT, please do so | 23:43 |
| peterleinchen | so about wiki | 23:44 |
| peterleinchen | joerg_rw locked that page aeons ago | 23:44 |
| peterleinchen | I do not know why | 23:44 |
| peterleinchen | so either open it up? | 23:44 |
| peterleinchen | or get it edited (sixwheeledbeast?) to reflect new mirrors for flasher tools? | 23:45 |
| juiceme | is there a list of wiki admins somewhere, who have power to lock/unlock? | 23:45 |
| peterleinchen | hmm? if I knew only ;) | 23:45 |
| juiceme | but you are correct, probably sixwheeledbeast is one of them. and rzr maybe? | 23:46 |
| MentalistTraceur | I'm guessing the lock was in response to either unofficial backups of firmware images being linked (and not being legally allowed to be), or conversely, people removing links for some reason (despite them being allowed to be linked). Hard to imagine the latter case, but including it for completeness. | 23:47 |
| MentalistTraceur | ..but that's neither here nor there. | 23:47 |
| MentalistTraceur | We can send mail to the techstaff alias to find out who can. | 23:48 |
| peterleinchen | yes, only reasonable explanation | 23:48 |
| MentalistTraceur | And/or I can ask on the maemo-admin channel, | 23:48 |
| peterleinchen | please ask on maemo-admin | 23:49 |
| peterleinchen | as we other cannot reach that channel :( | 23:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | updating the firmware was locked due to excessive spam and excessive edits. IMO any future changes should be admin only via CC discussion. | 23:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wikiadmins are listed in the wiki there's a page for that. | 23:50 |
| juiceme | sixwheeledbeast, hi! | 23:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hi all, sorry I can't hang about... | 23:50 |
| peterleinchen | sixwheeledbeast, hi and thanks | 23:51 |
| MentalistTraceur | What was the "spam" and besides spam what constitutes bad "excessive edits"? | 23:51 |
| MentalistTraceur | If you have to rush off, reply to that can wait. | 23:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's top on search engines so is the first page to get hit with external link type spam. | 23:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maybe back later. | 23:51 |
| MentalistTraceur | Ah. | 23:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ | 23:51 |
| MentalistTraceur | o/ | 23:51 |
| peterleinchen | sixwheeledbeast, I agree to you | 23:52 |
| peterleinchen | but I ask council to get that edited and include at least the archive.org site ? | 23:53 |
| juiceme | sixwheeledbeast, nite | 23:53 |
| MentalistTraceur | Can we get an email with a diff or something, describing the desired changes. Then we can forward that along to the techstaff people. | 23:55 |
| MentalistTraceur | Or just CC techstaff in the email. | 23:55 |
| MentalistTraceur | peterleinchen: ^ Since I at least don't know what links there are nowadays. | 23:56 |
| MentalistTraceur | Or rather, I do because someone linked me to them just a month or two ago. | 23:56 |
| MentalistTraceur | But I forgot it by bow. | 23:57 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/bow/now/ | 23:57 |
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