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| warfare | mh, domains are still in transit. | 10:41 |
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| peterleinchen | hey to all | 23:01 |
| juiceme | hi peterleinchen! | 23:01 |
| juiceme | hi all | 23:01 |
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| juiceme | pichlo, evening! | 23:02 |
| pichlo | hi :) | 23:02 |
| pichlo | How goes? | 23:02 |
| juiceme | pichlo, just compiling exfat module for SFOS :) | 23:02 |
| peterleinchen | pichlo, hi | 23:03 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, nice :D | 23:03 |
| pichlo | I finally made it, on a real PC this time! | 23:03 |
| pichlo | You? exFAT? What for? :) | 23:03 |
| peterleinchen | uh, a real PC. what is that? | 23:03 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, only for demonstration purposes, just like with exfat on N9, I do not use it myself | 23:03 |
| juiceme | pichlo, for people who want it. | 23:04 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:04 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, samsung sources? | 23:04 |
| juiceme | and because I can :) | 23:04 |
| pichlo | You know, a thing with a big rectangular shiny thing and a bit smaller black thing with a lot of buttons on it | 23:04 |
| juiceme | yes, the samsung version | 23:04 |
| peterleinchen | should have no license issue, then. right? | 23:05 |
| juiceme | same thing that was used on N9 kernel-plus project | 23:05 |
| pichlo | Guys, please excuse my noobness (noobism? noobicity?), but how exactly does this thing work? | 23:06 |
| juiceme | I'd guess the license-issue depends on where you are... In finland you canot enforce SW patents if you are using/distributing for non-commercial purposes | 23:06 |
| juiceme | pichlo, the "irc thing" ? | 23:06 |
| pichlo | That's the one | 23:06 |
| juiceme | what client are you using | 23:07 |
| pichlo | I see a list of 18 names on the right, are they all logged in? | 23:07 |
| juiceme | I can see your messagesjust fine | 23:07 |
| pichlo | web | 23:07 |
| juiceme | yes, they are on this channel, but not necessarily "here" | 23:07 |
| juiceme | could be just logging for future reference | 23:08 |
| pichlo | IC | 23:08 |
| juiceme | kinda hanging out | 23:08 |
| pichlo | So how does one know who *is* here? | 23:08 |
| juiceme | no way really, until one speaks up | 23:08 |
| pichlo | IC | 23:08 |
| * juiceme jumps up: *it builds clean* | 23:09 | |
| juiceme | now to test it | 23:09 |
| pichlo | Also, your names come out sometimes red and clickable and sometimes black. Why? | 23:09 |
| pichlo | Actually, they are clickable even when black | 23:10 |
| juiceme | pichlo, does my name became red now? | 23:10 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, fine. it is only module? | 23:10 |
| pichlo | Oh, congratulations! | 23:10 |
| pichlo | juiceme, yes! | 23:10 |
| peterleinchen | pichlo, put the name in front | 23:10 |
| peterleinchen | or not | 23:11 |
| pichlo | Eh? | 23:11 |
| juiceme | yes, I want to buid a module for current kernel, so no need to update kernel. That makes it a bit tricky... | 23:11 |
| juiceme | pichlo, when I call you by name | 23:11 |
| pichlo | IC | 23:11 |
| pichlo | kewl! | 23:11 |
| juiceme | then my name goes red so you notice I am talking to you | 23:11 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:11 |
| juiceme | I am using console client, and in my screen when I am called, it comes out in bold yellow type | 23:12 |
| pichlo | Haha, Firefox asks me to allow Adobe Flash on this website | 23:12 |
| pichlo | Little does it know that I have no Flash :) | 23:13 |
| juiceme | odd, should not require that | 23:13 |
| peterleinchen | never seen flash needed, too | 23:13 |
| peterleinchen | academic quarter hour gone. what's up? | 23:15 |
| pichlo | Is this how council meetings usually are? | 23:15 |
| pichlo | Quiet? :) | 23:15 |
| juiceme | okay, now fingers crossed... I've got exfat_fs.ko & exfat_core.ko, going to load 'em up in my jolla and see if there's steam coming up from the seams of the device ! | 23:15 |
| peterleinchen | warfare left a message today domain transfer is still in transit | 23:15 |
| juiceme | pichlo, depend | 23:16 |
| pichlo | warfare? | 23:16 |
| juiceme | fairly often people come in a bit late | 23:16 |
| pichlo | Ah. And I rushed the kids to bed to make it in time... | 23:16 |
| peterleinchen | pichlo, see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2015-02-03.log.html | 23:16 |
| juiceme | warfare's our admin. or one of them | 23:16 |
| pichlo | Quite frankly, I would not mind going to bed myself :) | 23:17 |
| pichlo | IC | 23:17 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, me too today ;) | 23:17 |
| juiceme | usually I have to leave around 0:00'ish localtime | 23:17 |
| pichlo | Finland is UTC+1 or 2? | 23:18 |
| juiceme | but current council is from very diferent timezones | 23:18 |
| juiceme | Oksana's from australia | 23:18 |
| juiceme | and MT & gerbick are from USA | 23:18 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, do you have SDxC card to test? | 23:19 |
| * peterleinchen from Germany utc+1 | 23:19 | |
| juiceme | I have one 32G card, in the device. currentlu formatted as brtfs | 23:19 |
| * warfare waves. | 23:19 | |
| juiceme | warfare, evening :) | 23:19 |
| pichlo | Found my answer. Helsinki is UTC+2. | 23:19 |
| peterleinchen | warfare, hi | 23:19 |
| warfare | Domains (maemo.org and maemo.com) are still in transit, maemo.org is in "Transfer Pending" | 23:20 |
| peterleinchen | so anything newer? | 23:20 |
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| peterleinchen | btw.: maemo.com??? | 23:20 |
| MentalistTraceur | Hello all, apologies for the lateness. | 23:20 |
| pichlo | Eh? I thought they were transferred years ago. | 23:20 |
| pichlo | Hello, MT | 23:21 |
| juiceme | it is still 7 days until the time when the domains have to be paid or squatters will take them. Do we have time enough? | 23:21 |
| juiceme | MentalistTraceur, hiya! | 23:21 |
| warfare | peterleinchen: yes. Nokia apparently wanted to get rid of that too and before it goes to squatters, we'll take it. | 23:21 |
| juiceme | pichlo, so did I | 23:21 |
| peterleinchen | warfare, ah okay! :) | 23:21 |
| MentalistTraceur | pichlo: If you mean the domains, they weren't. Back when I was last on Council, Nokia still hadn't handed those over. | 23:21 |
| MentalistTraceur | At least, not to us. | 23:21 |
| warfare | juiceme: the domain is in "Domain Status: pendingTransfer" so it should be transferred soonish. | 23:21 |
| MentalistTraceur | I don't recall who held onto them. | 23:21 |
| juiceme | pichlo, do "whois maemo.org" on console | 23:21 |
| peterleinchen | do we need to discuss the TM thing? | 23:22 |
| juiceme | warfare, when the transfer is through the administrative contact can pay the upkeep, not before... | 23:22 |
| peterleinchen | Or accept Win7Mac's proposal | 23:22 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, which proposal? | 23:23 |
| peterleinchen | but I guess it is up to board to decide? | 23:23 |
| peterleinchen | only pay for renewal of trademark for EUROPE | 23:23 |
| juiceme | ah yes, that is a possibility | 23:24 |
| peterleinchen | or also other parts of world Hmore money) | 23:24 |
| juiceme | since the TM's expire in different rate anyway, wasn't that so? | 23:24 |
| peterleinchen | I would like to get Europe/America | 23:24 |
| pichlo | That seems to make sense to me too | 23:25 |
| pichlo | How about Asia? | 23:25 |
| peterleinchen | but America is three times higher than Europe | 23:25 |
| pichlo | To avoid the next Maemotab :) | 23:25 |
| peterleinchen | pichlo, :) | 23:25 |
| pichlo | How much money are we talking about? | 23:26 |
| peterleinchen | I spammed info@linuxfoundation.org about that meegotab and never ever got an answer | 23:26 |
| pichlo | :( | 23:26 |
| peterleinchen | I even faked them an donation mail and no answer :( | 23:26 |
| peterleinchen | so nobody cares | 23:27 |
| pichlo | I meant to for ages but the only time I get to a real PC (not a phone) is at work | 23:27 |
| peterleinchen | and I guess we do not have nough money to cover world wide Trademark | 23:27 |
| pichlo | So it is an item number about 3548 on my todo list | 23:28 |
| pichlo | So, how much? Just roughly. | 23:28 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, based on your experience with linuxfoundation I am afraid just holding a TM does not prevent these things from happening :( | 23:28 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, yep. so maybe just europe for having something (at least)? | 23:29 |
| pichlo | The LF thing is not about TM. It is about LF not giving a $^&&... <carrier lost> | 23:29 |
| juiceme | to enforce a TM it needs lawyes too. and a will to *do* it | 23:29 |
| peterleinchen | so European TM will not help us at all. or? | 23:30 |
| * warfare wanders off to bed. Good night everyone. | 23:30 | |
| peterleinchen | warfare, gnite | 23:31 |
| pichlo | gutte nacht | 23:31 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yeah, but sometimes just being able to point to a trademark registration is sufficient. | 23:31 |
| juiceme | warfare, gnite | 23:32 |
| * juiceme *yippee* no smoke yet | 23:32 | |
| juiceme | [root@Jolla ~]# lsmod | 23:32 |
| juiceme | Module Size Used by | 23:32 |
| juiceme | exfat_fs 18682 0 | 23:32 |
| juiceme | exfat_core 79506 1 exfat_fs | 23:32 |
| juiceme | wlan 2592646 0 | 23:32 |
| peterleinchen | MentalistTraceur, yeah but which asian cares about european TM??? | 23:32 |
| juiceme | cfg80211 144917 1 wlan | 23:32 |
| juiceme | [root@Jolla ~]# | 23:32 |
| MentalistTraceur | peterleinchen: Oh, I completely agree, that won't help at all. | 23:33 |
| MentalistTraceur | ..in those cases. | 23:33 |
| pichlo | Or any other TM for that matter? | 23:33 |
| juiceme | asia will be problematic imgo | 23:33 |
| peterleinchen | but I also agree to your former statement | 23:33 |
| MentalistTraceur | I just said that as a foil to the general "need lawyer to enforce" statement above. | 23:34 |
| juiceme | i'd say in europe TM's are fairly wel recognzed. and we do not have a tradition to fight in courts over them | 23:34 |
| pichlo | They are also recognized in Merca. | 23:34 |
| pichlo | They have a fighting tradition but Meego is an established TM. | 23:35 |
| pichlo | Hard to argue someone else's priority. | 23:35 |
| * Oksana is here | 23:35 | |
| pichlo | I mean Maemo | 23:35 |
| peterleinchen | oksana, good morning | 23:36 |
| pichlo | Meego too, but that did not help them :) | 23:36 |
| pichlo | How do you people do that? | 23:36 |
| peterleinchen | what | 23:36 |
| pichlo | * Oksana is here | 23:36 |
| pichlo | * warfare wanders off to bed. Good night everyone. | 23:36 |
| pichlo | * juiceme *yippee* no smoke yet | 23:37 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, now how to test that it really works, I need to either port mkfs.exfat to SFOS or take out my SDcard... | 23:37 |
| pichlo | etc | 23:37 |
| juiceme | Oksana, hi! | 23:37 |
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| peterleinchen | win7mac, hi | 23:38 |
| Win7Mac | Hi! | 23:38 |
| Win7Mac | Here's all the TM links I found: | 23:38 |
| juiceme | pichlo, there are special commands, like when I write "/me *yippee*" it will priont out "juiceme *yippee*" | 23:38 |
| Win7Mac | https://oami.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/004218137 | 23:38 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, welcome! | 23:38 |
| pichlo | IC. Hello Oksana and Win7Mac! | 23:38 |
| Win7Mac | https://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/marke/registerHABM?AKZ=004218137&CURSOR=4 | 23:39 |
| Win7Mac | https://www.tmdn.org/tmview/bookmark?q=tm%3Amaemo# | 23:39 |
| Win7Mac | http://www.wipo.int/branddb/en/ | 23:39 |
| Win7Mac | ^^ search for "maemo" there | 23:40 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, that sure is german, I need to translate :) | 23:40 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, https://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/marke/registerHABM?lang=en&AKZ=004218137&CURSOR=4 | 23:40 |
| Win7Mac | EN version | 23:40 |
| peterleinchen | win7mac, we were just in discussion which parts of world to register TM at all ... | 23:41 |
| juiceme | thx | 23:41 |
| peterleinchen | win7mac, yes, thank you | 23:41 |
| Win7Mac | and as mentioned in my email, please look at http://www.dpma.de/english/trade_marks/trade_mark_protection/european_and_international_protection/index.html | 23:42 |
| Oksana | Who can make a complete list of Maemo trademarks: already belonging to Hildon Foundation, and not yet belonging to HIldon Foundation; for the former, date of expiry, and cost of renewal; for the latter, cost of registration (in the light of Nokia's wish to transfer it to Hildon Foundation)? And maybe, put the info onto Wiki? | 23:42 |
| * Oksana is checking email | 23:42 | |
| Win7Mac | Oksana, I just pasted ALL I've found | 23:42 |
| Win7Mac | And costwise we can't cover the whole world | 23:43 |
| Win7Mac | US is ~1.000§ | 23:43 |
| peterleinchen | yes, and what for? | 23:43 |
| Win7Mac | for asia it also depends on the area | 23:44 |
| peterleinchen | so protecting us to see a maemotab??? | 23:44 |
| peterleinchen | Win7Mac, do you have a number for Asia (part)? | 23:44 |
| Win7Mac | For Germany it'd be ~300 Euro and gives at least some protection EU-wide | 23:44 |
| pichlo | I suspect Asia would be wasted money anyway | 23:45 |
| peterleinchen | Europe, and that is minimum protection I like to see | 23:45 |
| juiceme | agreed | 23:45 |
| Win7Mac | peterleinchen, no, sorry. But if I remember correct that'd be another ~1.000$ or so | 23:45 |
| pichlo | Yes | 23:45 |
| peterleinchen | okay, too much in my eyes :( | 23:46 |
| juiceme | that sure is a lot of cash, to be able to pay for those we'd need a lot of donations | 23:46 |
| * Oksana cannot see any new email. | 23:46 | |
| peterleinchen | if we had more time, we could ask community ... | 23:46 |
| pichlo | Oksana, Win7Mac pasted theliks *here* :) | 23:47 |
| Win7Mac | Oksana, from 30-01-2015 | 23:47 |
| Win7Mac | topic "Re: Progress report?" | 23:47 |
| peterleinchen | Win7Mac, but there were not all above links. would you be so kind to send oce more? | 23:48 |
| Oksana | Thank you! I see it. | 23:48 |
| Win7Mac | peterleinchen, if I don't even get a single answer... | 23:49 |
| peterleinchen | Decision about renewal is on board side of HiFo (so YOU ;)) | 23:49 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen is right, it is HiFo decision | 23:49 |
| Oksana | A single answer: renew the trademarks HiFo already has | 23:49 |
| peterleinchen | win7mac, wanted to wait for CC meeting | 23:50 |
| peterleinchen | to discuss it online | 23:50 |
| MentalistTraceur | How long do we have to renew (for the USA one), and how long will it last for? | 23:50 |
| juiceme | Oksana, I think all the TM's still are registered to Nokia, only when they are paid up they will be transferred to HiFo | 23:51 |
| juiceme | I think it will be for 10 years | 23:51 |
| peterleinchen | and iirc we nedd to process this month | 23:51 |
| Oksana | So, we should process it. Does HiFo have enough funds to do it? | 23:53 |
| pichlo | peterleinchen, regarding your suggestion to "ask the community"... | 23:53 |
| peterleinchen | oksana,thx :) | 23:54 |
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| MentalistTraceur | How much does HiFo have right now, funds-wise, and how much other expenses are there, do you know? | 23:54 |
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| juiceme | mmm, yes, we could make a referendum about it | 23:54 |
| pichlo | ...and following the recent (and still ongoing) fruitless discussions about Jolla and exFAT... | 23:54 |
| juiceme | gerbick, hi! | 23:54 |
| gerbick | Sorry guys, couldn't get out of an important meeting onsite | 23:54 |
| pichlo | ...do you think it would yield any useful answer? ;) | 23:54 |
| juiceme | pichlo, sure, there's going to be a *lot* of answers :) | 23:55 |
| pichlo | with the stress on USEFUL! :) | 23:55 |
| MentalistTraceur | juiceme: I think the issue with referendum is that even if we referendum, we still must have the money to make it happen. | 23:55 |
| peterleinchen | there is some money | 23:55 |
| peterleinchen | but for sure not enough for world wide | 23:55 |
| peterleinchen | europe is 300 | 23:56 |
| peterleinchen | america is 1000 | 23:56 |
| pichlo | I am happy to donate | 23:56 |
| peterleinchen | part of asia another 1000 | 23:56 |
| Oksana | World-wide is not urgent, right? Can wait for referendum, donation drive and such? | 23:56 |
| pichlo | Europe? I thought only DE was 300 | 23:56 |
| peterleinchen | pichlo, right sorry | 23:56 |
| pichlo | How much is EU-wide? | 23:56 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yeah but DE covers Eurozone or something like that. Remember, they're all partnered. Right? Anyway, I know we can cover Europe, I'm wondering if there's enough money to get the DE one. | 23:57 |
| juiceme | was it 1keur | 23:57 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/DE one/DE AND US one/ | 23:57 |
| gerbick | This discussion is in regards to the trademarks, the cost(s) of updating them in the various places, right? What did HiFo have this registered and why did this slip through the cracks? | 23:57 |
| pichlo | So EU+US = 1k€ + 1k$ | 23:57 |
| peterleinchen | mentalisttraceur, our cashier has to speak ... :) | 23:57 |
| MentalistTraceur | peterleinchen: Alright, fair enough. | 23:58 |
| Oksana | oami.europa.eu and register.dpma.de both show 7th of February as expiry date, and ROSCHIER as representative. So, both Eu and De need to be renewed? | 23:58 |
| pichlo | IANAL but I would think that EU covers DE | 23:59 |
| juiceme | Oksana, yes. However, I understood it is not something that just goes away if you do not pay it immediately (as opposed to domain registration) | 23:59 |
| gerbick | There's a grace period? | 23:59 |
| juiceme | or at least chemist said something close to that | 23:59 |
| peterleinchen | end of february, iirc | 23:59 |
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