| chem|st | juiceme: crossing lines is a no go in a community, I had to revoke his mod rights on tmo as he gave infractions outside his territory (I granted him in good faith) | 00:00 |
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| RzR | we know that hifo and mc need more coop | 00:00 |
| chem|st | RzR: you know what an eV is? | 00:00 |
| RzR | yes i read about it lately | 00:01 |
| chem|st | ok | 00:01 |
| RzR | donno details of german laws | 00:01 |
| juiceme | yes, actually I do not know how functional HiFo is currently. Win7Mac seems to be only one giving any communication. | 00:01 |
| chem|st | one of the ideas behind the move from US foundation to the eV is to give a proper legal association with accounted membership and legal boundries so noone can run off with anything without facing jailtime. | 00:02 |
| juiceme | so my hope is that the new setup of Maemo e.V. could be more open and functional | 00:02 |
| chem|st | juiceme: I am board member... | 00:02 |
| juiceme | ah yes, you too. forgot about your role there :) | 00:03 |
| peterleinchen_ | chem>st, who else? beside win7mac oc | 00:03 |
| juiceme | woody was in, but he stepped down | 00:03 |
| chem|st | well win and me did setup the eV part, thanks to doc we lost our treasurer and a dedicated community member too (wasn't the first and won't be the last) | 00:04 |
| juiceme | none to replace him, afaik | 00:04 |
| RzR | what a nightmare | 00:04 |
| chem|st | thanks to another doc vs woody war he closes the bankaccount this week | 00:04 |
| chem|st | as neither one of the US guys signed for the account he wants to get rid of the liability with doc. | 00:05 |
| juiceme | but the good thing is there's not that much assets, some thousand US$ or so | 00:05 |
| peterleinchen_ | but that's all hifo has, or? | 00:06 |
| juiceme | these things get complicated for various reasons even as everybody wants best for the community... | 00:06 |
| RzR | so is mc supposed to help on it and how ? | 00:06 |
| chem|st | juiceme: we just payed the bills... we need to get the funds accessible as soon as possible as there are some more bills to come up... | 00:07 |
| chem|st | RzR: not really | 00:07 |
| RzR | in the end it will destroy it all .. if those problems are not solved | 00:07 |
| chem|st | leash-up on doc, or the last man standing is doc | 00:07 |
| RzR | well since this conversation is a meeting | 00:08 |
| RzR | and its logged | 00:08 |
| chem|st | I was pretty close to stop the registration of the eV, cooled down... one day after I handed in the paperwork I was so fed up again... | 00:08 |
| RzR | its unfair to talk about doc once he left | 00:08 |
| juiceme | RzR, +1 | 00:09 |
| RzR | of course he could have stayed but he said he was sick | 00:09 |
| RzR | so lets put this on hold and may set an other meeting | 00:09 |
| chem|st | RzR: he is reading the logs, would not be the first time he joins up again and flames about the things just said... | 00:09 |
| chem|st | kk I am out | 00:10 |
| RzR | with a more appropiate protocol | 00:10 |
| RzR | u can remain | 00:10 |
| RzR | since we wanted to talk about nokia online resources | 00:11 |
| RzR | may we shift to next topic | 00:11 |
| juiceme | yes, please tell us how Council can help there? | 00:11 |
| RzR | or may someone want to add something else | 00:12 |
| xes | i hope for the future that things could be always considered in a more moderated manner. Every contrast between people/members/staff could make the situation even more critical. We are all humans and while everyone contributes for the time and resources he has, then, everyone has some limit. Before judge anyone we must consider both of them. | 00:13 |
| juiceme | xes, +1 | 00:14 |
| RzR | indeed | 00:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | yes! but what the he h... | 00:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | have those people? | 00:15 |
| peterleinchen_ | xes: you are absolutely right. | 00:15 |
| RzR | i wont judge anyone since i am new i will try to remain neutral .. watch for me if i do | 00:15 |
| RzR | now to follow the topics | 00:16 |
| RzR | harmattandev is offline | 00:17 |
| peterleinchen_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Council_Q2_2014/Agenda | 00:17 |
| peterleinchen_ | ah okay harmattan! | 00:17 |
| RzR | i know some backups are done in various place | 00:17 |
| peterleinchen_ | yes that is something we need chemist for | 00:17 |
| peterleinchen_ | s/chemist/HiFo/ e.V./ | 00:18 |
| RzR | some one at nokia care twitter team told he will fwd this issue internally | 00:18 |
| peterleinchen_ | afaik meego has been xferred to MS | 00:18 |
| RzR | meego is and not maemo ? | 00:19 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, that so? | 00:19 |
| RzR | i would be surprised | 00:19 |
| peterleinchen_ | I am not sure | 00:19 |
| peterleinchen_ | just what I got from the public announcements | 00:19 |
| juiceme | I'd rather say it was transferred _nowhere_ , just scrapped clean out | 00:19 |
| peterleinchen_ | that would be good | 00:19 |
| peterleinchen_ | but WHO to ask ? | 00:20 |
| RzR | and they could be some intel bits into meego trade marks | 00:20 |
| juiceme | I know for a fact that the whole development chain was destroyed | 00:20 |
| RzR | does this change a lot for us ? | 00:20 |
| peterleinchen_ | for sure we will never ever get the right to host the firmware! | 00:20 |
| RzR | images yes | 00:20 |
| juiceme | servers decommissioned and powered off, test equipment sold, people fired | 00:20 |
| RzR | but packages should not be a problem | 00:21 |
| juiceme | there might exist source files on some svn repository but there's no-one left to know what those are ;( | 00:21 |
| RzR | we allready have most of them in source form | 00:21 |
| RzR | the src from nokia floss dvd | 00:22 |
| peterleinchen_ | /s/we/rZr/ ;) | 00:22 |
| juiceme | RzR, yes those exist, but the proprietary parts are lost | 00:22 |
| peterleinchen_ | okay I also have a DVD | 00:22 |
| RzR | i am not the only one | 00:22 |
| RzR | dvd is hosted even on sf.net | 00:23 |
| RzR | i dont have it | 00:23 |
| peterleinchen_ | but what can we integrate to maemo atall | 00:23 |
| RzR | dvd could be possible | 00:23 |
| peterleinchen_ | hosting the DVD should not be problem, but what to do with it | 00:24 |
| juiceme | for example, there's this bug of SMS exteded character handling, I know where it is but it cannot be fixed as we are missing sources for one library :( | 00:24 |
| RzR | but i was talking about sdk repo | 00:24 |
| RzR | there are a few binaries | 00:24 |
| RzR | 3d blobs etc | 00:24 |
| RzR | then listing those resources is the 1st action | 00:25 |
| RzR | and i am sure hifo already did that | 00:25 |
| peterleinchen_ | hifo?? | 00:26 |
| RzR | negotiation of nokia resources | 00:26 |
| RzR | well i dont know the details just read this on irc | 00:27 |
| RzR | maybe from doc | 00:27 |
| peterleinchen_ | chem|st: reply | 00:27 |
| chem|st | ? | 00:29 |
| peterleinchen_ | about "negotiation of nokia resources" by hifo with nokia regarding harmattan | 00:29 |
| RzR | are there effort to get the rights to host copy of files that used to be on nokia public servers ? | 00:30 |
| chem|st | no idea, meego.com was shutdown and noone cared | 00:30 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, I don't think harmattan was discussed | 00:30 |
| RzR | harmattan was never on meego.com | 00:31 |
| RzR | afaik | 00:31 |
| chem|st | juiceme: we asked for flasher and binaries of all devices | 00:31 |
| peterleinchen_ | rZr is talking about harmattan-dev.com, right? | 00:31 |
| RzR | firmwares | 00:31 |
| juiceme | RzR, if hosting rights for Maemo are out, I'd imagine Harmattan is even farther out | 00:31 |
| juiceme | chem|st, okay | 00:31 |
| RzR | yes harnattan-dev.nokia.com | 00:31 |
| chem|st | RzR: firmwares are still available on some nokia ftp | 00:32 |
| RzR | u asked about the image fw | 00:32 |
| RzR | i am talking about scratchbox repo | 00:32 |
| RzR | to create apps | 00:32 |
| chem|st | ask doc about scratchbox | 00:32 |
| RzR | ok | 00:33 |
| chem|st | the nokia binaries went offline with the nokia repo | 00:33 |
| RzR | sbox is back online | 00:33 |
| peterleinchen_ | Yes, this (harmattan-dev() is something we would like to have again, not the FWs and not the flasher (we wont get it) | 00:33 |
| RzR | usure maemo and harmattan went offline at the same time | 00:33 |
| peterleinchen_ | no they did not afair | 00:34 |
| RzR | so is there anyone to bother to be granted to host them ? | 00:35 |
| xes | one sidenote: please remember that our infra is not unlimited and we have just a few percents of unused resources | 00:35 |
| juiceme | hey, one thing comes to my mind; is there some profound difference between scratchbox-for-harmattan and scratchbox-for-fremantle, as I only ever used harmattan...? | 00:35 |
| RzR | we could share some torrent or whatever that can help preservation | 00:36 |
| peterleinchen_ | xes: thx for info, so we have no resources to host ... | 00:36 |
| RzR | i was thinking about a vm w/ tools installed | 00:36 |
| juiceme | the idea was to only officially host MD5 sums of binaries and installation packages, rhight? | 00:36 |
| RzR | one did exists for maemo4 and 5 too ? | 00:37 |
| juiceme | this way, the binaries could be anywhere, and Maemo just would verify the correctness | 00:37 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, you talking about fw images | 00:37 |
| peterleinchen_ | ? | 00:37 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, that too | 00:37 |
| RzR | i think its not illegal to host checksums | 00:38 |
| juiceme | but it need not concern _only_ fw images | 00:38 |
| juiceme | RzR, +1 | 00:38 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, +2 | 00:38 |
| RzR | about vm or sums ? | 00:39 |
| RzR | or sum of vm ? ie magnet link | 00:39 |
| peterleinchen_ | md5sum for sure | 00:39 |
| peterleinchen_ | vm idk | 00:40 |
| RzR | idk ? | 00:40 |
| juiceme | i think torrent links are more of hazy stuff | 00:40 |
| peterleinchen_ | I dont know | 00:40 |
| juiceme | might be illegal, but checksums never | 00:40 |
| peterleinchen_ | but gockel will find with name and checksum everything (almost) | 00:41 |
| peterleinchen_ | so the way to go? | 00:41 |
| RzR | so it would help to get the hand back on that vm that shiped scratchbox and fremantle tools | 00:42 |
| juiceme | I vote for checksums | 00:42 |
| RzR | so lets list resources most wanted | 00:42 |
| RzR | and their sums ? | 00:42 |
| RzR | there is a Nokia page on wiki | 00:43 |
| juiceme | that would be a good place I think | 00:43 |
| peterleinchen_ | already populated? URl? | 00:43 |
| RzR | chem|st: can u help to get harmatan-dev back ? or hifo ? | 00:44 |
| peterleinchen_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia | 00:44 |
| RzR | yes thats the junk i started year ago | 00:44 |
| RzR | any other topic ? | 00:47 |
| chem|st | nope | 00:48 |
| peterleinchen_ | regarding the time, I agree | 00:49 |
| peterleinchen_ | there still are | 00:49 |
| peterleinchen_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Council_Q2_2014/Agenda | 00:49 |
| peterleinchen_ | especially the certificates misery | 00:49 |
| RzR | next meeting ? | 00:49 |
| peterleinchen_ | next week same place same time | 00:49 |
| peterleinchen_ | ? | 00:49 |
| juiceme | fine with me. | 00:50 |
| RzR | ill mail xfade to request if he can add one of us as alt contact | 00:50 |
| juiceme | good. | 00:50 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR, thx | 00:50 |
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| juiceme | i'm nodding off already, need to go to bed | 00:50 |
| juiceme | night, guys | 00:51 |
| RzR | ok nite | 00:51 |
| peterleinchen_ | sleep well my councilors | 00:51 |
| juiceme | yes, sir :) | 00:51 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, if you need help with minutes, just ask me | 00:52 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, thank you | 00:52 |
| RzR | ask me too | 00:53 |
| peterleinchen_ | I will :) | 00:53 |
| peterleinchen_ | so should we open a new thread to ask community about harmattan resources they want to be listed (with md5s)? | 00:53 |
| RzR | see u next week feel free to edit agenda page | 00:54 |
| RzR | i think ill use it as entry page | 00:54 |
| RzR | there a thread already | 00:54 |
| RzR | peterleinchen_, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87896&page=4 | 00:55 |
| RzR | btw md5 is not secure | 00:55 |
| RzR | i would use sha1 | 00:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hey all sorry I am late to the party, anyway as discussed at the head I updated the CC wiki page. Would be nice if members with no image could add one. thanks. | 01:23 |
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