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| RzR | /exec date -u | 21:41 |
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| RzR | Tue Jul 22 18:41:35 UTC 2014 | 21:41 |
| RzR | Ok 1h to prepare your slides :) | 21:42 |
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| juiceme | o/ | 23:01 |
| RzR | \o_ | 23:02 |
| peterleinchen_ | -o ? | 23:02 |
| juiceme | :P | 23:03 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, "wave of hands" | 23:03 |
| juiceme | \o/ | 23:04 |
| juiceme | anyway, hows. things? | 23:04 |
| RzR | DocScrutinizer05: hi r u here ? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm sick | 23:04 |
| RzR | wish u fast recovery | 23:04 |
| juiceme | I am pretty wasted, do ne a lot of physical work the last few days (means, I am on my "holiday" == slave work :) | 23:05 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, wish you better | 23:05 |
| juiceme | so, unless there's a lot to discuss, I'd be off to bed... | 23:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | good health to you doc. will you attend? | 23:06 |
| RzR | neildk is missing too | 23:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | he IS on holiday | 23:06 |
| juiceme | i think neil said he wont attend today | 23:06 |
| RzR | did we grant a such thing ? | 23:06 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:06 |
| RzR | ;) | 23:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | NO!!! | 23:06 |
| RzR | so lets start | 23:07 |
| RzR | peterleinchen_ take your best pen | 23:07 |
| peterleinchen_ | okay what's on th elist for today | 23:07 |
| peterleinchen_ | my pen is named "log" :) | 23:07 |
| RzR | or if u want i can make the report | 23:07 |
| juiceme | hmm irc cloacks was it... does somebody need those? | 23:07 |
| peterleinchen_ | I have one aleady, but what is the use for us? | 23:08 |
| RzR | may i ask what is it ? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | won't work. Niels Breet aka xfade is not responsive anymore, and my efforts to regain control over IRC #maemo been not supported by HiFo | 23:09 |
| RzR | bots ? | 23:09 |
| juiceme | really? how's that? | 23:09 |
| juiceme | RzR, cloack means your nick will be visible, but hostname not | 23:09 |
| juiceme | like, it hides the IP address you are from. (I really do not need that, but some people think it mecessary) | 23:10 |
| peterleinchen_ | do e.g. a /whois peterleinchen | 23:10 |
| RzR | yes i didnt know it called cloack | 23:11 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen's IRC guru | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *@maemo/community/council/* is on access list of some channels | 23:11 |
| RzR | well it has some privacy benefit | 23:11 |
| RzR | but what are the benefits for community | 23:12 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, what's happened to xfade? | 23:12 |
| peterleinchen_ | exactly, just to hide your home address ... ;) | 23:12 |
| RzR | he is hardly joinable even at meego times | 23:13 |
| juiceme | RzR, just nice to know that council members would have council cloack, but no special benefit | 23:13 |
| RzR | he is part of jolla now ? | 23:13 |
| juiceme | RzR, you mean xfade? | 23:14 |
| juiceme | if so, then he should be around as most of Jolla people are... | 23:14 |
| RzR | yes i tried to find him when meego c obs was out of service | 23:14 |
| juiceme | okay | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | irc is still under control of Nokia by proxy aka GC x-fade | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only GC can handle cloaks | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we have not even permissions to change access lists of #maemo | 23:16 |
| RzR | GC stands for ? | 23:17 |
| juiceme | okay, then that should be transferred to Council, imho. | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /msg chanserv access #maemo list | 23:17 |
| RzR | may list things not under community control | 23:18 |
| RzR | ie nokia stuff | 23:18 |
| RzR | will help | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I negotiated transfer of GC to council or rather techstaff with freenode staff, but HiFo gave no support | 23:19 |
| juiceme | what would you need from HiFo to accomplish it? | 23:20 |
| RzR | so hifo relationship is something the council should investigate ? | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ownership of #maemo* namespace in freenode is an asset handled by GC and owned by Nokia | 23:20 |
| juiceme | what's GC? | 23:21 |
| RzR | so maemo council is related to nokia at least by its name | 23:21 |
| juiceme | heh :) | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I explained to freenode that now HiFo is "owner" of maemo, and that x-fade is not doing stewardship aka GC tasks anymore for #maemo* prolly since Nokia basically orphaned maemo at large | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GC == Croup Contact | 23:22 |
| juiceme | i thought that was settled, the maemo name is given to us, not NOkia any longer | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Group* | 23:22 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, okay. | 23:22 |
| RzR | is it in orphan state ? | 23:22 |
| RzR | i guess there is an expiracy date | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for what? GC? no | 23:23 |
| peterleinchen_ | too bad, so what does freenode expect from us / maemo /hifo | 23:24 |
| juiceme | probably we'd need a written statement that Maemo Council is the new GC for maemo* IRC hierarchy. | 23:25 |
| RzR | may we open a ticket to track the adoption of maemo in freenode | 23:26 |
| juiceme | and since HiFo has this agreement from Nokia that Maemo is now independent entity from Nokia, that should suffice | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure not to ignore the mails regarding GC transfer that techstaff sends to HiFo and instead bully out techstaff coordinator (who's supposed to handle and guard exactly such permissions, passwords, certs etc) | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council can't become GC. only a single person can become GC | 23:27 |
| juiceme | can it be agreed that it is transferred to someone in the Council every 6 months? | 23:27 |
| RzR | any volounter ? | 23:28 |
| juiceme | I mean it cannot be really that rigid, it's just flags in the irc server | 23:28 |
| peterleinchen_ | not really a good idea, as all info needs to be transferred and a lot will get lost "Stille Post" | 23:28 |
| RzR | assign this to me if none | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right, the agreement been that HiFo explains (to freenode CC techstaff CC council) that maemo[TM] now gets/got transferred to HiFo and thus HiFo owns the maemo namespace on IRC and appoints e.g. Mr Reisenweber for their maemo GC | 23:29 |
| juiceme | RzR, I'd like you to sort it out if you want to volunteer. :) | 23:29 |
| peterleinchen_ | rzr: this means you are hijacked for next 10 councils :) | 23:30 |
| RzR | and the GC should ensure it will be xfered each 6 months | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | forget it | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freenode will need 6 months to transfer it | 23:30 |
| juiceme | huh? | 23:31 |
| peterleinchen_ | uh oh | 23:31 |
| RzR | peterleinchen_: hijacked by who ? | 23:31 |
| juiceme | that difficult? | 23:31 |
| RzR | then what is FN period time ? | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw GC should understand what's a GC | 23:31 |
| RzR | true | 23:32 |
| peterleinchen_ | absolutely | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk | 23:32 |
| juiceme | ah, https://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml | 23:33 |
| RzR | was reading the FAQ | 23:33 |
| RzR | who is alternate contact ? | 23:34 |
| juiceme | Try the command "/msg chanserv access #maemo list" | 23:36 |
| juiceme | that shows who has different access levels | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my info is that x-fade is maemo* GC. We either convince freenode or xfade to add somebody of community as second GC | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: only xfade is owner of the chan and has rights to edit that access list | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only xfade can get new cloaks from freenode | 23:37 |
| juiceme | yes, I see it now | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xfade is MIA | 23:38 |
| RzR | well lets try to contact him again | 23:38 |
| RzR | or someone who knows him | 23:39 |
| juiceme | RzR had information that he'd be with Jolla now | 23:39 |
| RzR | then shouldnot be a problem | 23:39 |
| juiceme | RzR, maybe you can get in contact with him? | 23:39 |
| RzR | yes | 23:39 |
| RzR | will keep u up to date | 23:39 |
| RzR | next topic now ? | 23:39 |
| RzR | that one will resume on next meeting | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you better sort you topics what to ask him for. you might not have the opportuinity to chat with him to find out what you actually want him to do | 23:40 |
| RzR | remmber i am the hunter man ;) | 23:40 |
| juiceme | good :) | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | win7mac approach? when one mail doesn't result in right answer, send 20 more? | 23:41 |
| juiceme | next task, wiki page has been updated | 23:41 |
| RzR | just at least see if he is ok to work with new maemo council | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he's not ojk to work for maemo anymore. That's pretty obvious | 23:42 |
| juiceme | then there are some things about harmattan | 23:42 |
| peterleinchen_ | he is not ok to work for | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and "work" includes answering mails here. Particularly not when it's 20 mails in one week | 23:42 |
| peterleinchen_ | but maybe let us do the work | 23:42 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, if that's so, then he should have no reason to step down, rihjt :) | 23:43 |
| RzR | so there is no reason for him to hold this maemo role | 23:43 |
| chem|st | the issues about ownership will be solved, either server-certs or irc-namespaces | 23:43 |
| juiceme | chem|st, hi | 23:43 |
| peterleinchen_ | huh? hi. | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's all reason he will ignore you when you don't know what to ask him for | 23:43 |
| RzR | tell me if i am wrong but to what i read maemo cg is not working anymore | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: may we ask you to please share a less cryptic statement? one that at least allows some conclusion | 23:45 |
| RzR | so anyone who want to adopt this role will be better than none | 23:45 |
| chem|st | when the maemo ownership or licensing is solved, all related issues are solveable by an email | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha. great finding | 23:46 |
| juiceme | that's good to know | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc that been your statement 6 months ago as well | 23:46 |
| peterleinchen_ | I do not get it. | 23:47 |
| chem|st | still standing | 23:47 |
| peterleinchen_ | maemo belongs to ??? | 23:47 |
| chem|st | nokia | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and still useless to solve our problems | 23:47 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: get the terms setup... | 23:47 |
| RzR | and nokia belongs to ??? | 23:47 |
| chem|st | RzR: nokia | 23:48 |
| peterleinchen_ | oh; I thought HiFo already :( | 23:48 |
| chem|st | RzR: nokia did not transfer patents or trademarks, they are licensed iirc | 23:48 |
| juiceme | and "maemo" was not one of those that Microsoft licensed | 23:49 |
| chem|st | we need to get the website straight or nokia will not grant us anything | 23:49 |
| RzR | and afaik maemo is a nokia TM | 23:49 |
| RzR | is there a reason to xfer it elsewhere ? | 23:50 |
| RzR | well i may be late in topic | 23:50 |
| juiceme | chem|st, is this related to the statement you have here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93476 | 23:50 |
| chem|st | ownership is one thing, licensing another... | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the right thing to do: mail x-fade CC freenode staff CC council about missing cloaks and other stuff and suggest that somebody of thechstaff gets a co-GC for maemo namespace, to handle cloaks etc instead of x-fade who obviously isn't interested in doing that anymore | 23:50 |
| RzR | but maybe he is not supposed to xfer nokia related tech | 23:51 |
| RzR | ie irc | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I initiated all that and discussed the whole shit with freenode staff, but HiFo completely ignored the whole thing | 23:52 |
| chem|st | juiceme: that is exactly what we need to have in line (green part), the terms of use might need some love too but everything considered licensing and ownership remains the way it is. | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RzR: he needs not transfer, he can grant a co-GC | 23:52 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: yes on purpose... you are not in a position to request anything | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha, and you are mot in a posiution to utter such nonsense | 23:53 |
| RzR | ok lets go in this direction | 23:53 |
| chem|st | you know what doc... I have 4 other councilors to talk to, how about you leave me alone with your utter BS for good? | 23:53 |
| RzR | 1st mc member become alt contact | 23:53 |
| juiceme | chem|st, do I understand correctly that nothing needs to be done for the 4 last documents at all? | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I ask 4 other councilors to instruct chem|st to stop his insult and attacks | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and hostile behavior | 23:54 |
| chem|st | juiceme: the TM is owned by nokia and that did not change | 23:54 |
| chem|st | loll | 23:54 |
| juiceme | I think we all should be calm and not take offence with anything/anybody. | 23:55 |
| RzR | juiceme: +1 | 23:55 |
| peterleinchen_ | why you two so upset (again?)? | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, speculate and insult all you want. I'm fed up with idiotic behavior of some HiFo members | 23:56 |
| juiceme | I think the approach suggeted by DocScrutinizer05 is what should be tried, to get someone else as deputy GC | 23:56 |
| chem|st | anything else yo need to know atm? for eV I still did not hear from court and guess that is a good sign | 23:56 |
| RzR | long story id prefer to ignore | 23:56 |
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| juiceme | chem|st, no news is good news :) | 23:57 |
| RzR | an other problem to solve | 23:57 |
| chem|st | just for the record doc was discharged from his duties a while ago and refuses to handover and leave techstaff | 23:58 |
| RzR | i wont take any position on this | 23:58 |
| juiceme | it is too bad there is bad blood between different operatives | 23:58 |
| chem|st | and doc... this is a recorded channel... I know you read it later! | 23:58 |
| peterleinchen_ | a short essay would be nice, not the long story of irc logs or whatever ... | 23:59 |
| peterleinchen_ | and not here ! | 23:59 |
| RzR | yes i am sure all of us is valuable for maemo community | 23:59 |
| RzR | yes keep this aside | 23:59 |
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