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| Win7Mac | let's hope for the the best, have a good night o/ | 00:28 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 wishes win7mac would't constantly tell bullshit | 06:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo council elections closed. results calculated. see http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=37 | 06:56 |
| rZr | http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=37 | 07:02 |
| rZr | yes | 07:02 |
| rZr | just woke up to check :) | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rZr: congrats | 07:02 |
| rZr | thx | 07:02 |
| rZr | same to you+ juiceme | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, thanks (though I'm not too happy with my election) | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 07:03 |
| rZr | why? | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because council is just workload | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and lots of bitching form a few community members who don't understand what council does | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or is | 07:06 |
| rZr | ok i thought there was something specific to this one | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just I'm more busy than any time before with other projects | 07:07 |
| rZr | yes i see what you mean | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the bitching got worse than ever too, see a ~20 lines above | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, nope. There been times where estel_ ... :-x | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, tonight is first meeting with old and new council | 07:09 |
| rZr | ok i'll be there | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looking forward to welcoming new council and prepare handover | 07:09 |
| rZr | now let's return to sleep ? :) | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup, something like that | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | c u l8r | 07:10 |
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| rZr | Tue Jul 15 18:08:52 UTC 2014 | 21:08 |
| rZr | ok 2h to go | 21:08 |
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| juiceme | hiya o/ | 23:01 |
| RzR | hi juiceme | 23:01 |
| juiceme | hi rzr | 23:01 |
| * peterleinchen_ is saying hi, too | 23:01 | |
| juiceme | hi peter | 23:01 |
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| juiceme | Win7Mac, hi | 23:03 |
| Win7Mac | howdy! | 23:03 |
| RzR | Win7Mac: fine and you ? is doc arround too ? | 23:04 |
| Win7Mac | fine, and thanks for taking care of the voting, juiceme! | 23:04 |
| Win7Mac | election it's called, I guess... | 23:05 |
| juiceme | np, it was easier in the end than I feared... woody had made the system pretty complete, and was lot of help in making it happen | 23:05 |
| RzR | are others used to irc too ? | 23:05 |
| juiceme | mmm been using irc since 80's :) | 23:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | since 20:00UTC ;) | 23:06 |
| juiceme | well almost, somehing like 91 or so really :=) | 23:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | so not really used to | 23:06 |
| juiceme | it is fairly different experience depending on what lçlient you are using.. | 23:07 |
| peterleinchen_ | about voting: isnt there a minimum of ballots needed? ;) as 83 is not much | 23:07 |
| RzR | joined in 1995 and not signed out yet ;) | 23:07 |
| juiceme | some win clients have multiple windows for different conversations etc.. | 23:08 |
| juiceme | RzR, bravo :) | 23:08 |
| RzR | btw my question was for others not present here | 23:08 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, not really. AFAIK there is no lower limit | 23:08 |
| juiceme | but of course we wnat to get as many as possible | 23:09 |
| juiceme | now only 1.51 % of total eligible voters bothered... | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen_ | okay, imagined that . just to be sure | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen_ | yah really not much | 23:09 |
| juiceme | last time it was a bit better, 111 votes iir | 23:10 |
| RzR | next time we should improve this | 23:10 |
| Win7Mac | +1 | 23:11 |
| juiceme | yes, but what would be the way to do that...? | 23:11 |
| juiceme | now as I am quickly looking back previous elections, it has never been really much.. topping about 300 voters | 23:12 |
| RzR | using forum | 23:12 |
| RzR | vote then post | 23:12 |
| Win7Mac | best way? a referendum or convince joerg to accept the rules of the MC e.V. ;) | 23:12 |
| juiceme | no 435 seems to be tops | 23:12 |
| Win7Mac | only way to change election process today is referendum | 23:13 |
| juiceme | RzR, as voting in a TMO thread :) | 23:13 |
| RzR | Win7Mac: well please keep this for later meeting ;) | 23:14 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, true.. but I do not think the _mechanics_ of voting are broken, it is really easy to do as you all know | 23:14 |
| RzR | so time for introducing ourselves | 23:14 |
| Win7Mac | since MC e.V. will be the successor of HiFo in all regards, that will be our new base | 23:14 |
| juiceme | we are still missing people | 23:15 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer51, ping | 23:15 |
| juiceme | nieldk, ping | 23:16 |
| Win7Mac | that will allow for easier tweaking of rules if desired | 23:16 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st is on vacation, I believe | 23:16 |
| juiceme | yes, I see chem|st has been idling | 23:16 |
| RzR | so i think our issue to fix is trying to make sure everyone are aware of this weekly meeting on irc | 23:16 |
| juiceme | yes. | 23:17 |
| Win7Mac | yes | 23:17 |
| juiceme | first, do you all think this is OK time/date to have meetings? | 23:17 |
| juiceme | tuesday 20:00 UTC | 23:17 |
| RzR | ok for me | 23:17 |
| * peterleinchen_ think it is perfect | 23:17 | |
| juiceme | as we can change that if it is bas for somebody | 23:17 |
| RzR | are all of us in europe ? | 23:18 |
| juiceme | good. I think most of ya are westwards from me, my localtime is 23:18 now | 23:18 |
| peterleinchen_ | looks like | 23:18 |
| juiceme | I am in Finland, near Helsinki | 23:18 |
| RzR | not a problem for me.. may me hardeer on sept , you can note this down | 23:19 |
| juiceme | okay. having vacation then? | 23:19 |
| RzR | 20h20 in france | 23:19 |
| juiceme | I know Niel is from Denmark | 23:19 |
| RzR | yes i may be in canada that time | 23:20 |
| juiceme | and Joerg from Germany | 23:20 |
| peterleinchen_ | me too, near Düsseldof | 23:20 |
| juiceme | is it UTC+1 for you? | 23:21 |
| peterleinchen_ | utc +1 +DST | 23:21 |
| juiceme | ya | 23:21 |
| peterleinchen_ | so utc +2 now in summer | 23:21 |
| juiceme | yes, that confused me also when dst change occurred... I went an hour late then :) | 23:22 |
| RzR | so is neil used to irc ? | 23:22 |
| RzR | i did pm him on tmo to update his profile on wiki | 23:23 |
| juiceme | yes, at least he has been seen in IRC now&then | 23:23 |
| juiceme | ahh.. I should propably add my picture to the council wikipage | 23:24 |
| RzR | under nieldk nickname ? | 23:24 |
| juiceme | somehow never had time to do that (and could not find nice enough image :) :) :) | 23:24 |
| juiceme | i believe so | 23:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ all, yes CC wiki page will need sorting. | 23:26 |
| juiceme | okay, quick grep thru logs, nieldk has not been that actibe on IRC, only few occasions before on maemo-meeting | 23:26 |
| juiceme | sixwheeledbeast, hiya | 23:26 |
| peterleinchen_ | do you guys think niel and joerg will appear? meanwhile jussi may explain the voting table http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=37 | 23:27 |
| peterleinchen_ | id do not get it | 23:27 |
| peterleinchen_ | first line says juice 32000 and joerg 16000, second line then only 14000 for juiceme | 23:28 |
| RzR | i just pm'ed him | 23:29 |
| RzR | neildk | 23:29 |
| juiceme | okay, I have to admit I did not myself calculate that, the table comes automatically by the counting algorithm | 23:29 |
| peterleinchen_ | yeah sure, but nevertheless ;) | 23:30 |
| juiceme | how it works, is documented on a wiki page, just a moment | 23:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Doc has been idling for 5h 33m 13s, the 14000 is left over votes I assume. | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Transferable_Vote_%28STV%29 | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | STV ;) | 23:30 |
| juiceme | tes, that was it :) | 23:31 |
| chem|st | o/ greetings from austria | 23:32 |
| RzR | hi chem|st | 23:32 |
| juiceme | chem|st, hiya | 23:32 |
| peterleinchen_ | servus | 23:32 |
| Win7Mac | HI! | 23:32 |
| RzR | so do we wait the missing two forever ? | 23:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | peterleinchen_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team/Creating_an_election | 23:32 |
| RzR | not that i have better things to do | 23:33 |
| Win7Mac | some wrote an email-notice to niel? | 23:33 |
| Win7Mac | *someone | 23:33 |
| RzR | I pmed niel through forum | 23:33 |
| * sixwheeledbeast thinks it would be a good idea to find the election wiki pages and give them an Election Category for easy finding. | 23:34 | |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, what the system tries to figure out, is the order of candidates, based on the preference of those that get higher ranking; for example if me & you are mentioned as many times, but you get higher number of no.1 place than I, then you get more preference | 23:34 |
| peterleinchen_ | okay , so far so good | 23:35 |
| peterleinchen_ | but who has won then? you or jOerg?? | 23:35 |
| juiceme | well, I got higher comparing factor | 23:35 |
| juiceme | means I "won" | 23:35 |
| juiceme | but in reality, there are 5 winners, all the ones who got selected | 23:36 |
| RzR | so we're your slaves | 23:36 |
| peterleinchen_ | good spokesman :) | 23:36 |
| RzR | ;) | 23:36 |
| * juiceme gets power in head | 23:36 | |
| juiceme | :) | 23:37 |
| peterleinchen_ | then the last sentence is a bit misleading: Winners are Joerg Reisenweber (joerg_rw), Jussi Ohenoja (juiceme), Niel Nielsen (nieldk), Peter Leinchen (peterleinchen), and Philippe Coval (rzr). | 23:37 |
| juiceme | ah, yes. | 23:38 |
| peterleinchen_ | I will doo accept you as my chair ! | 23:38 |
| juiceme | that is in alphabetical order of nics :) | 23:38 |
| peterleinchen_ | but also correct according to votes (just you and joerg switched) | 23:38 |
| juiceme | thanks for support, I was prepared to go the role of secretary, though. | 23:38 |
| peterleinchen_ | what are the "roles"? | 23:40 |
| juiceme | roles vary, but generally there's chair & secretary, which might be the same person | 23:41 |
| RzR | and tasks ? | 23:41 |
| juiceme | otherwice, I am not really sure if we need rigid roles | 23:41 |
| juiceme | chem|st, as oldest Councilman, might you want to clarify? | 23:41 |
| juiceme | the now-passing-council was only 3 as per rules that is what we get if there are less than 5 runners-up | 23:42 |
| juiceme | now as we are 5, I think some things might change. | 23:42 |
| juiceme | chem|st. you there still? | 23:43 |
| Win7Mac | chair & secretary. chair has to delegate elections and secretary has to report | 23:43 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, thanks | 23:43 |
| Win7Mac | as http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=36740 | 23:43 |
| juiceme | otherwice than when we need to vote on something, I don't think the roles are that important. | 23:43 |
| juiceme | last council, I was secretary & chair | 23:44 |
| Win7Mac | you should agree on those roles, afaik, or postpone it | 23:44 |
| RzR | may we wait we feel the need for roles | 23:45 |
| juiceme | since we really did not need chairing that much | 23:45 |
| Win7Mac | as 4/5 are present you may proceed | 23:45 |
| RzR | yes | 23:45 |
| Win7Mac | oh, no wait, only 3/5... | 23:45 |
| RzR | doc and neil arent | 23:45 |
| juiceme | 3/5 only | 23:45 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:45 |
| juiceme | I'd say we need full council present to agree on this | 23:45 |
| chem|st | yes, kind off - slow internet | 23:46 |
| chem|st | council has a chair and secretary, which are usually the same person | 23:46 |
| juiceme | for IRC not to appear realtime, it sure needs to be slow :) | 23:46 |
| juiceme | okay... what else. At least all you need to be promoted to "Council" class on Maemo | 23:47 |
| chem|st | juiceme: my GF is uploading today's pictures... | 23:47 |
| juiceme | that means you get to post on restricted groups, for example | 23:48 |
| juiceme | chem|st, ya, that'd eat all uplink for sure :) | 23:48 |
| chem|st | not exactly, council group is pretty limited, I'd need to lookup if it is even able to post and read in the staff section^^ | 23:48 |
| juiceme | and also, there is own mailing list for council members, you need to be added to that | 23:48 |
| juiceme | chem|st, at least I can post news items and such... | 23:49 |
| RzR | neildk was online 2h ago ... according to my secret services | 23:49 |
| chem|st | chair needs to be setup for midgard posting and editing, ah yeah you can do notifications but no announcements?! | 23:50 |
| peterleinchen_ | who will add us? or do we need to do on our own? (mailing list CC) | 23:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | juiceme: the general happenings of the handover meeting is normally... announce election results > thanks and hellos to all past and future CC > nominating chair and sec > checking meeting times ok for all > handover of any on going tasks > plans for current term > create todo list for infra changes. | 23:52 |
| Win7Mac | sixwheeledbeast, THANKS! | 23:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I'E setup people for garage Council group etc. np | 23:52 |
| RzR | thx | 23:53 |
| chem|st | so we have peterleinchen_ and RzR new - I suggest to have one of them nominated for chair if they like to and the former chair assists... | 23:53 |
| peterleinchen_ | thx too, what kind of groups are that? and whats their purpose? | 23:54 |
| juiceme | that'd be OK for me | 23:54 |
| peterleinchen_ | RzR? | 23:54 |
| peterleinchen_ | Or Niel? | 23:54 |
| peterleinchen_ | shouldnt we wait for all to be present? | 23:55 |
| juiceme | it is too bad Niel & Joerg are not here yet | 23:55 |
| RzR | can u detail a bit ? | 23:55 |
| chem|st | sixwheeledbeast: still answering questions about what is what and who is who... but yes juiceme proper meeting agenda like before | 23:55 |
| juiceme | I propose we leave this on the table | 23:55 |
| chem|st | juiceme: as you are staying council you might wait for it till next tuesday - | 23:56 |
| juiceme | yes, Ill be interim chair& secretary till we all get together to decide it | 23:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | np, there are new people here so I am just explaining the agenda from the last handover meetings. A handover meeting without everyone is a PITA. | 23:57 |
| juiceme | sixwheeledbeast, +1 | 23:58 |
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| RzR | are there so topics that could be talked with subset of coucil | 23:58 |
| juiceme | nieldk, hiya | 23:58 |
| peterleinchen_ | hey Niel | 23:58 |
| Win7Mac | NIEL... o/ | 23:58 |
| nieldk | hi there | 23:59 |
| juiceme | nice, now we are almost all here :) | 23:59 |
| RzR | nieldk: yeah who did harrass you to come here ? | 23:59 |
| nieldk | hehe thanks buddy | 23:59 |
| RzR | ;) | 23:59 |
| Win7Mac | nieldk, inauguration time... ;) | 23:59 |
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