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| DocScrutinizer05 | `ting? | 20:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | DONG!!! | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1800UTC | 21:00 |
| kerio | DONG | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | @council: (@board?): suggestion came up to write a mail to Nokia, suggesting council to take the burden to sort the whole partially NDAed maemo sources blob, and disclose to public what might get disclosed, after careful evaluation and checking back to Nokia | 21:02 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: s/mail/letter/ | 21:03 |
| Pali | nokia email address is down | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | advantage for Nokia: they don't need to worry about GPL inquiries any more, don't need to assign lots of lawyer person-days into that, and finally get rid of the whole topic. Advantage to maemo community: self-evident | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | burden to council: sign (or informally agree to) a NDA, and act honest in Nokia's best interest | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and first of all: write such mail/letter | 21:06 |
| chem|st | tong | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi FatPhil! :-) welcome! | 21:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hi, #maemo-meeting | 21:07 |
| chem|st | Id like to add Jolla and future moves on topic after docs GPL/NDA | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | enjoy your beer while we discuss that mail here, hope you also will enjoy the chanlog later | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, seems we get a real meeting today, with real agenda | 21:08 |
| chem|st | :) | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fi chem|st, sixwheeledbeast | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hi even | 21:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | fi to you too | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, I have to announce I need to leave 19:10UTC the latest | 21:09 |
| chem|st | who had/has the proper channels to nokia? | 21:09 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: I need to leave 5 minutes ago^^ | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are no more "proper channels" to Nokia at all | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FatPhil is our best bet for the moment | 21:10 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: cause all guys left nokia who were actually contacts to us? | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, basically that's what I understand about the situation | 21:11 |
| Pali | who is owner of maemo.org domain? | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council's contacts to Nokia never been tight during last 10 months or longer. HiFo had some thin channel | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: Nokia | 21:12 |
| Pali | bad | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | transfer of domain ownership been part of the contract that never got signed | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | largely thanks to former HiFo acting weird and thus Nokia reconsidered | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's my level of info | 21:14 |
| chem|st | so what we need is a proper mail to nokia + bod getting that contract finally sorted | 21:15 |
| chem|st | the latter OT | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: around? | 21:15 |
| chem|st | the proper mail and stuff should go hifo aswell? | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have no info about latest state of the contract negotiations | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask HiFo BoD | 21:16 |
| chem|st | yeah as said OT | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | paricularly Rob and Woody | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems Nokia got scared that Rob plans to "sell" maemo(-whatever) to competitors like Jolla | 21:17 |
| chem|st | but contracts after all should go through hifo as we are not liable | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while Nokia clearly planned to definitely and irreeversibly donate maemo to the maemo community | 21:18 |
| chem|st | yeah I know the mess around that | 21:18 |
| chem|st | I think we need to discuss that in hifo bod, I am pretty sure we need to do other stuff than getting an eV planted | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now it seems there's no more Nokia to do any contracts | 21:19 |
| chem|st | till next year there is | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:19 |
| chem|st | and we need to get it sorted | 21:19 |
| chem|st | GeneralAntilles: you have the documents which got sent around right? I mean the paper stuff from rob | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, I dare to state on behalf of whole council that we are willing to take the burden to handle the src drop blob in nokia's best interest and even take liability for that. If HiFo could join in, we might have sth to offer to Nokia | 21:21 |
| chem|st | it is not only that, it is the (TM) and everything that comes with it | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hat's it from my side basically. Yet to get discussed who's going to draft such message/letter | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, of course | 21:22 |
| chem|st | s/o of the english natives! | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly | 21:23 |
| chem|st | and someone with the papers from nokia in hands probably woody or GeneralAntilles | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I sometimes think europeans are closer to Finnish mentality than at least US lawyers | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're doing business differntly over here | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not the US way | 21:24 |
| chem|st | well we are not setting up a contract to sign like probably rob did... | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here stuff gets done with a handshake, not 50 pages of papers | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 21:25 |
| chem|st | oh you never had contracts with companies like bosch/siemens et al | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I had | 21:25 |
| chem|st | NDAs of those are like two hardcover-folders | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and, believe me or not, I had agreements with some of them like "when everything pans out, we don't need a contract. When things go haywire, a contract won't help" | 21:26 |
| chem|st | so I got to go now... | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this been freelancer agreements though | 21:27 |
| Win7Mac | Hi! | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi Win7Mac | 21:27 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: good you are here, can you take this to board mailing list please as I have to run off, sorry | 21:27 |
| Win7Mac | what? | 21:28 |
| Win7Mac | good you are here, sad you leave already | 21:28 |
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| Win7Mac | reading backlog... | 21:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 tries hard to recall who else supposed to be in council and thus show up here for meeting | 21:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dnag, already ordered dinner for 20:15UTC. Could try to change that to 19:45 | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err 19:15 and 18:45 | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: ping | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ping | 21:35 |
| merlin1991 | popng | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, noisy line ;-P | 21:36 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st: "...pretty sure we need to do other stuff than getting an eV planted"... and you come with that now, weeks after my mail?! | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he's talking about priorities | 21:38 |
| Win7Mac | Also, there is a doodle poll await you r input | 21:38 |
| Win7Mac | to get a meeting going | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm out of that | 21:38 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: additionally | 21:38 |
| Win7Mac | i know, talking to chemist | 21:39 |
| chem|st | so I am gone now read you later | 21:39 |
| Win7Mac | so which Noika we need to contact, the old NOK or the newMS-Nokia? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: I don't think that we have the choice | 21:40 |
| Win7Mac | right, which is the right one to contact? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like they split into two halves 8yet) | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still one entity | 21:40 |
| Win7Mac | yeah, right | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which slowly (or not so slowly) vanishes into oblivion | 21:41 |
| Win7Mac | untill ~spring 2014? | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no new alternative for us coming up | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I rather guess ur contacts into Nokia vanished / deceased by 99% laready | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | our* | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be honestly surprised to find some working contact to Nokia that still *knows* about maemo | 21:42 |
| Win7Mac | Woody metioned someone, I'm searching | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the more urgent it is for HiFo to do whatever it needs to gain control over the stuff we want to own | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please don't disclose Nokia contact details, those guys don't like that aiui | 21:44 |
| Win7Mac | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2013-09-06.log.html#t2013-09-06T22:55:14 | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's absolutely sufficent when those details are known inside council and HiFo | 21:44 |
| Win7Mac | Woody14619: My vote is contact P directly and re-open talks. | 21:44 |
| Win7Mac | ok | 21:44 |
| Win7Mac | whos P? | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some contact to Nokia we had in early 2013 still | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who helped moving the server for example | 21:45 |
| Win7Mac | can you type the (nick)name? | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pecka iirc | 21:45 |
| Win7Mac | right, that was it! | 21:46 |
| Win7Mac | woody mentioned it somewhere else earlier | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's the only contact into Nokia I know about | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for what FatPhil might still treasure in his phonebook ;-) | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's highly uncertain if even P is still Nokia employee | 21:48 |
| Win7Mac | I think have I have done enough damage with my drafts, I'd like to stay out of that | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't feel depressed. It's not a rewarding job, never been | 21:49 |
| Win7Mac | but I *do* feel like that! | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you did more good work than any other of us, since last term | 21:49 |
| Win7Mac | BTW, anybody contacted Jeremiah? | 21:49 |
| Win7Mac | what came out of that? | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's jeremiah? | 21:50 |
| Win7Mac | ex-maintainer | 21:50 |
| Win7Mac | remember my draft? ;) | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, somebody else managed that task | 21:50 |
| Win7Mac | right, warfare *wanted* to take care of him, but then he had his offtime... | 21:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 also wonders what happened to those ~5 volunteers for techstaff | 21:51 | |
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| Win7Mac | but there would be no way around you, so I assume NOTHING happened | 21:51 |
| Win7Mac | you would know if | 21:52 |
| Win7Mac | as head of techstaff, right? | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends. I woukdn't need to get involved when it's not about techstaff and accounts/permissions on server infra | 21:52 |
| Win7Mac | anyway it was a major problem some weeks ago and now it appears it has self-dissolved, strange | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare even might be in a lively chat with any new sysops or whatever and me not even knowing about it, until he wants to grant them access to the machines | 21:54 |
| Win7Mac | could you check, please? | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check what? | 21:54 |
| Win7Mac | if they contacted | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare is in here, ask him | 21:55 |
| Win7Mac | warfare: ping!!! | 21:55 |
| Win7Mac | ^^ | 21:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "here" being the operative word | 21:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | how are IRC cloaks going? | 21:57 |
| Win7Mac | iknow, but toldya, it's *his* offtime, this time... | 21:57 |
| Win7Mac | no cloaks | 21:57 |
| Win7Mac | spaghetti con nada | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: *blush* pending | 21:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok, no need to :blush: :) | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm terribly lagging on a lot of tasks on my todo list | 21:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Is there a road block or just time? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | had some real life severe issues to solve | 21:59 |
| Win7Mac | np | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no road blocks other than procrustination | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm lucky to say I got the most severe RL issues sorted since 3 days | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so odds are I might catch up RSN | 22:00 |
| Win7Mac | i'm esp. frustrated with how my mails and are ignored, meetings regularly hamstrung by absence of councilors | 22:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) good | 22:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :P | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: that's what I'm suffering since 10 months now | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though last term's council was honestly more agile | 22:01 |
| Win7Mac | i know what you're talking about now... | 22:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: I have put this down to holiday season. | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then again, last term's BoD been a PITA that outweighs any of that | 22:02 |
| Win7Mac | Rob just clarified in latest mail that he will not filter his emails for those relevant for HiFo | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great! | 22:03 |
| Win7Mac | and check for false positives | 22:03 |
| Win7Mac | ...to hand them out to us | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sheds some light at his proceedings as a lawyer as well, huh? | 22:03 |
| Win7Mac | right, he even did not CC boardhifo | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | contact the other two guys | 22:04 |
| Win7Mac | *board@hifo | 22:04 |
| Win7Mac | I did!!! | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you at *least* get the mail bunch from before they resigned | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe GeneralAntilles is the person who's better suited for that | 22:05 |
| Win7Mac | i got nothing and I dont expect anything to come | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Tim should be friendly still, and helpful | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | also asked woody to ask Tim for all the mails he has, but nada | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I think Ivan too | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | also asked woody ARE WE 501(c)3??? - nothing | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not true | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | what is then? | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he tried to find out but wasn't able to, iirc | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check ypur mail | 22:07 |
| Win7Mac | right, since 2 weeks already | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, sorry anyway.i have to leave | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please consider my offer from council as official (until somebody of the other 4 guys hollers), regarding managing any NDAed src | 22:09 |
| Win7Mac | it says 501(c)3 in the Articles of Incorporation , I'm just not sure if it is any valid, cause its hidden in some kind of notice | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'd be even willing to rewrite stuff so it complies with any requirements Nokai might have | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly, I don't know how 501c3 is any relevant right now | 22:11 |
| Win7Mac | you have a copy of Rob drafted? | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have nada | 22:11 |
| Win7Mac | *of what | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cheers! o/ | 22:11 |
| Win7Mac | cheers Doc! o/ | 22:12 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, sorry, I'm abroad (.pl) right now and completely lost track of time | 22:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ qwazix seems all have left. | 22:44 |
| Win7Mac | hi qwasix o/ | 22:45 |
| Win7Mac | z, damn it | 22:45 |
| qwazix | hi sixwheeledbeast, Win7Mac | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, afk | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: enjoy your time | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 23:05 |
| Win7Mac | hehe | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even, enjoy yourself. (sorry for my french) | 23:08 |
| qwazix | ty! | 23:24 |
| qwazix | and good night o/ | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | gn o/ | 23:27 |
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