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| DocScrutinizer05 | meeting today? | 20:44 |
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| qwazix | evening! | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi qwazix! | 20:57 |
| qwazix | hi Doc! | 20:57 |
| qwazix | how are things? | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not as good as I would want them to | 20:58 |
| qwazix | :( | 20:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that shouldn't stop me from joining this meeting, if any is scheduled for today | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi sixwheeledbeast | 20:59 |
| qwazix | That 1gb fast swap I think has tipped off the scale towards "I want one" vs "it isn't better enough" but still 700 is painful... | 20:59 |
| qwazix | anyway, is there anything we need to discuss? | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: pleased to hear I found a way to make the device specs more appealing for you. No idea if anything to discuss | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe again the "robbiethe1st should receive a sponsored developr-device" issue? | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all nobody of us would like to see support for backupmenu fade away due to developr not having the environment he needs | 21:08 |
| qwazix | I didn't vote yet, as I'm not 100% sure, but if work situation isn't too bad in a couple of months I'll probably get one. Sorry for OT. I vote yes for Robbie receiving a device. Backupmenu is invaluable | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right? | 21:08 |
| qwazix | ^^ | 21:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ##topic "Maintainer Requests" | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shoot! | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: (OT too) "I'll get one when I got the money, probably" is good enough to vote | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: this is no preorder | 21:12 |
| qwazix | :nod: I just don't want to mislead. I'll vote then. | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: what's the maintainer requests issue? | 21:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Hi sorry... | 21:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | there are a back log of them will anything be done. I have someone that has PM me because had no response from techstaff@m.o | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which maintainers are we talking about? | 21:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | he wishes to push mc and netmon fixes to testing etc | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 21:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | tmo user "ginggs" | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: supposed to sort that stuff | 21:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: thanks that was the list I was looking for ;) | 21:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | anything from Netmon down has been requested this month FWIW | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i just approved the pending marble stuff. I have no background info about the rest, so can't judge on it | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as said, merlin1991's job | 21:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have asked him to contact current maintainers via bugtracker link etc to no avail. | 21:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok so is merlin1991 about? ^^ | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generally any maintainership-takeover needs a number of checks: reputation/status of the one requesting, notion of the current maintainer, status of the package at large | 21:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I agree but with him having no response I promised I'd bring it up. | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all in-spe-maintainers waiting since ages for approval should pester merlin1991 directly, or council which shall forward to merlin1991 | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course if anybody else "with a hat on" wants to take care of evaluation a request, just go ahead and explain to e.g. me why the request can get approved, so I'll happily click on "approve" link | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all that's one of council's primary duties | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just I can't do it, plate is too filled | 21:25 |
| qwazix | :nod:, I'll try to check on some of them | 21:27 |
| qwazix | ehm, error 500 :You don't have management rights. | 21:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | many are Pali so I think these should be ok ;) | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooops | 21:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eh? | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 | 21:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it needs admin to view that page. | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/fb49d7e31e | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HTH | 21:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: grrr, you beat me to it :) | 21:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | surely the pali and mt ones are trusted long term member? | 21:32 |
| qwazix | thanks! | 21:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | *members? | 21:32 |
| qwazix | Aapo too IMO | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead I'd say | 21:35 |
| qwazix | and maybe marmistrz's request for maliit should be approved. He's done pretty good work with meego libraries, and libmaliit isn't getting any updates since quite some time. Let me check the previous maintainer though | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just be careful about maintainer requests from unknown or known-to-be-poorly-qualified members | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all approving maintainership just *adds* a maintainer, it doesn't replace/remove the old ones afaik | 21:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so worst thing to happen: we need to revoke maintainership and clean up the mess created | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think we generally should risk this | 21:38 |
| qwazix | inean (the previous libmaliit maintainer) has to show up at tmo since March | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless some known objections | 21:38 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, +1 | 21:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well the requests I speak about are from http://maemo.org/profile/view/ginggs/ member since 2010 but no idea on the source of the packages. | 21:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I also agree with above. | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | caveat: "cleaning up the mess" might mean "sanitiue 11324 user devices that updated to a non-working version" | 21:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | QA "should" catch before then | 21:40 |
| qwazix | it's 11321, not 11324 :P | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why we should be careful to approve unknown or poorly qualified maintainers | 21:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | after all anyone can upload version to devel maintainer or not | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: nope, only maintainers with upload rights can do that | 21:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "anyone" meaning anyone with upload right yes. | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually recently it seems nobody been aware of the maintainer status being mandatory for approval of upload permissions | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got zillions of "please grant upload rights" from users who don't even have a garage project | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, merlin1991 | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not my cup of tea | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: please consider to process qwazix' approval suggestions, I can't figure right atm how to grant permissions to him | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know, shitgard | 21:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | So I can approve pali, mt and aapo? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on the user page I can't edit permissions for the user - GREAT! | 21:46 |
| qwazix | lol | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you think that's ok, and qwazix agrees, then go ahead! | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | clean out that annoying list of pending maintainer requests please! | 21:47 |
| qwazix | yeah, I'm okay with that. I think I'd also approve marmizstr, but not 100% sure | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | accept or reject, but clean it out asap | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | marmisz*?? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | marm no hit | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: which package? | 21:51 |
| qwazix | libmaliit-dev | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither | 21:52 |
| qwazix | sorry libmaliit1-dev | 21:52 |
| qwazix | it's the last one in the privatepaste | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't comment. Seen the name a few times | 21:53 |
| qwazix | Amazon-installer wtf? is that even in extras? | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc either what'smaliit | 21:54 |
| qwazix | maliit is the virtual keyboard of harmattan | 21:54 |
| qwazix | it is required for qt-components apps on maemo | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take care that no packages of core system get into extras | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got CSSU for that | 21:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Do we agree that if the "member" has "Products" in Karma he is safe to approve? | 21:56 |
| qwazix | I never understood what products are... packages? | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly | 21:57 |
| qwazix | Though if old maintainer is active I think we should ask first, in case the requester didn't | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't argue against it, due to lack of insight | 21:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Products are packages in extras | 21:58 |
| qwazix | sixwheeledbeast, :nod: then I think yes to what you are proposing | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, usually you should try to contact main-maintainer first | 21:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders what's status of our other new maintainers, those awaiting invitation and introduction to techstaff, the volunteer "sysops" | 21:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui warfare sent a mail to all of them, though via BCC mass mailing | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there must have been 5some | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anything else? my timer expired | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody of you getting feedback/updates from HiFo? | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it sometimes seems to me like my mail addr doesn't work for any mail from or to HiFo board | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haven't heard much of them lately | 22:03 |
| qwazix | nah, haven't heard much either | 22:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nope | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so should HFC get active? | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: Jaffa: Win7Mac: any coments? | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: ^^^ | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth else pending? otherwise /me waves | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, cya | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for joining to those who joined :-D | 22:08 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | qwazix: http://pastebin.com/mF1ZpuLG | 22:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | heres what left. | 22:12 |
| qwazix | sixwheeledbeast, I don't recognize anybody, but I think khweeteur might be something to look into, as almost all N900 twitter clients are off after api change | 22:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | All left have >20 karma and have been members a while anybody wwith zero karma has been rejected. | 22:15 |
| qwazix | I think that khertan is still active though, we should ask him first | 22:15 |
| qwazix | http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=7510 -> last activity yesterday | 22:16 |
| qwazix | don't know if he is still interested to update it, could you PM him? | 22:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok n950 in devices so maybe no device. | 22:17 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | qwazix: http://maemo.org/packages/view/khweeteur/ this packages has had releases by the requested maintainer | 22:20 |
| qwazix | sixwheeledbeast, yep, but still, those might not be approved by original maintainer, because of bad code, or just design decisions | 22:22 |
| qwazix | I just know that I would be pissed if somebody overriden some of my decisions and his app had reached extras without me giving a nod. | 22:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | i agree but many are inactive | 22:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | so marm is ok? | 22:33 |
| Woody14619 | blink blink blink.... | 22:33 |
| qwazix | sixwheeledbeast, I think so yes | 22:34 |
| qwazix | Hi Woody14619 | 22:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ | 22:34 |
| Woody14619 | Comments on? Board has been relativly inactive. Partially my fault, still in catch up mode from the vacation and summer wrap-up activities. | 22:35 |
| Woody14619 | Win7Mac has been looking into Ev stuff, and I've contacted a bank or two about setting up accounts w/ international ownership. But not much else is moving. | 22:36 |
| Woody14619 | We really need someone to pick up ownership of negotiation with Nokia and see if tha's salvagable. | 22:37 |
| Win7Mac | Hi, just came in | 22:38 |
| Win7Mac | :reads backlog: | 22:38 |
| * qwazix wonders if that microsoft deal is a good thing or a bad thing re: maemo ownership | 22:39 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 22:40 |
| Woody14619 | Had the same worries, but have not had time to ponder it much. Probably for the better. But we should try to grab that if we can before the big M turns on the vaccume to full blast. | 22:41 |
| Win7Mac | Woody, any proogress with new bank account? | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | oh sorry nvm | 22:43 |
| Woody14619 | Spoke with a local HSBC rep. They are definitly a no-go. To many fees. Local Chase rep has not gotten back to me. Captial One has shifted me between departments a couple times, but am waiting on their reply as well (prob not till Monday) | 22:44 |
| Win7Mac | ah ok, many thanks! | 22:44 |
| Win7Mac | Woody, were you able to verify 501(c)3 status yet? | 22:45 |
| Woody14619 | So: e-mail tag mainly. Slow, but at least it's moving. | 22:45 |
| Woody14619 | No. That's been totally off my radar actually. But will try to look at it this weekend. | 22:46 |
| Woody14619 | First weekend in months that I don't have plans, be that traveling in Europe, a wedding, or other misc obligation. | 22:46 |
| Win7Mac | if we are, it offers the chance for a "Förderverein", if not, then not... | 22:47 |
| Win7Mac | at least AFAIK | 22:47 |
| Woody14619 | Technically, I have a wedding to attend Sunday, but that's small and quick. :) | 22:47 |
| Woody14619 | Well, we are non-profit. There's a distinction here. Non-profit means the board doesn't pay itself. 501(c)3 means that AND you don't get involved in politics, don't pay taxes, can't claim most government assisance, and people can write off charity to you as deductable. | 22:49 |
| Win7Mac | Woody, "Articles of Incorporation - Nonprofit.pdf" as Jaffa has sent it: page 5, lower left corner (notice) says 501(c)3... | 22:49 |
| Win7Mac | i know, same in germany more or less | 22:50 |
| Win7Mac | re negotiation with Nokia: i asked Rob again to hand out email-convo with noika after Jaffa already did 2 times - still no response... what to do? | 22:54 |
| Win7Mac | rather email-convo with ESP. with nokia | 22:54 |
| Woody14619 | My vote is contact P directly and re-open talks. | 22:55 |
| Win7Mac | P? | 22:55 |
| Win7Mac | anyway, you don't see a way to force him to hand out the mails? | 22:56 |
| Win7Mac | its his fsckin duty, no? | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | can you try to get at least some mails fron Tim? | 22:57 |
| Woody14619 | Short of driving to PA and smaking him around, not sure what else I could do, so... :P | 22:59 |
| Woody14619 | And yes, it's his duty... But he's shirked off other duties as well, several times. So really... this is not unprecidented. (And is in fact why he's, and we, are in the positions we're in.) | 23:00 |
| Win7Mac | ok, let me know when you're driving to PA so I can keep hold of him for you... | 23:04 |
| Win7Mac | alternatives would be 1) ask Tim about emails he has or 2) ask another lawyer to set up a mail and lurk him to press charges against him | 23:07 |
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| Win7Mac | Anyway, I don't know how, even if I should proceed with the eV | 23:10 |
| Win7Mac | because of the restrictions for board (which have to be EU-residents) | 23:11 |
| Win7Mac | I guess community would hardly except that, but no real discussion going on... :( | 23:12 |
| Win7Mac | *accept OFC | 23:14 |
| Win7Mac | not even here... k, gn then o/ | 23:21 |
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