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| Jaffa | Is Concert-Oh working well for anyone else? I tried signing up, but it doesn't like me | 21:50 |
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| win7mac | are you on mobile? | 21:51 |
| Jaffa | No | 21:51 |
| Jaffa | Its Facebook login wants ridiculous levels of permission | 21:51 |
| Jaffa | But I ask for a password reset and it just sends me another "activate your account" email | 21:52 |
| Jaffa | How does it work on mobile (since it seems to require Flash on the desktop)? | 21:52 |
| chem|st | Jaffa: it does not like me neither | 21:52 |
| chem|st | borked... I will look for a TS server real quick | 21:52 |
| win7mac | yeah, Flash and some javascript | 21:53 |
| win7mac | ...needed for concert-oh | 21:53 |
| win7mac | now this is funny, we had that topic already, but i was discussing with myself it seems | 21:54 |
| Jaffa | What topic? | 21:55 |
| Jaffa | I remember you saying you wanted a service which could be used on the N9. I've got my N9 here, how do I use it with Concert-Oh? | 21:56 |
| win7mac | which audio-service to use | 21:56 |
| chem|st | ts public could work... | 21:56 |
| win7mac | not possible on n9! | 21:56 |
| win7mac | Jaffa_, Concert-Oh not possible on n9! | 21:57 |
| Jaffa | win7mac: Oh, I thought you selected it | 21:57 |
| chem|st | yeah screw that, without an asterisk server or a paid service you wont get n9s to join?! | 21:57 |
| chem|st | I can offer TS on a private server if need be | 21:58 |
| chem|st | but for the next I suggest to setup our own | 21:58 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: "TS"? | 21:58 |
| chem|st | teamspeak | 21:58 |
| Jaffa | For next time, maybe we should look at something like http://www.freeconferencecall.com/fcc/index.asp?promocode=FCC_PPC_GS_US_EN_815&gclid=CJWBuvLYtLgCFcef4AodFEoArA | 21:58 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: Ah, never used it | 21:58 |
| chem|st | using it for the time it exists... | 21:59 |
| Jaffa | Trouble with freeconferencecall.com is that it needs US number. Anyway, one for the mailing list | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, I'm here. | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't friggin concertOh allow POTS dial-in? | 22:00 |
| Jaffa | Agenda is here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/YYLoFoW6Ee Anyone know how to use the meeting bot (if it's here)? | 22:00 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: concertoh wont let me sign in... | 22:00 |
| chem|st | so screw that | 22:00 |
| chem|st | wrong email... | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: read my post above! | 22:00 |
| win7mac | allow scripts | 22:00 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: don't you need to sign in there as well? | 22:01 |
| chem|st | at least I needed to verify my identity with something like that with the phone dialpad.. | 22:01 |
| chem|st | and register online before the meeting | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the conference call services I know allow either DTMF PIN authentication, and/or "invite" by room master | 22:02 |
| chem|st | it is usa... the nsa wants to track everything! | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "please speak your name and stand by until room master invites yiu" | 22:02 |
| Jaffa | win7mac: I have scripts enabled, but Concert-Oh won't let me log in. It doesn't give any POTS information to me (without being logged in at least) | 22:02 |
| chem|st | the need to sign in is screwed already... | 22:02 |
| Woody14619 | sorry, was on a call. :P | 22:03 |
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| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "Hildon Foundation Board meeting 2013-07-16 at 1700 UTC Agenda: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/YYLoFoW6Ee Audio: http://www.concert-oh.com/web/meetingDetail/7QLsgypott1Y_BjO5p3sRg%3D%3D?cid=134982 | Council meetings every Friday @ 18:00 UTC | livelog at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/" | 22:03 | |
| *** GeneralAntilles sets mode: -o GeneralAntilles | 22:03 | |
| chem|st | how about teamviewer? | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Phone: +1 (412) 717-9633 | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Passcode (Guest): 233 134 24 | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | PIN: 262 992 4948 | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: THANKS!!!! | 22:04 |
| Woody14619 | concerOh does allow POTS dial-in, but it's a US number. Long distance for those outside the US unfortunatly. (and for some inside the US. | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | refund for your expense | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | c'mon | 22:04 |
| Jaffa | GoToMeeting provides 30 day trials, with international dial in numbers. | 22:05 |
| Woody14619 | lol. :) For me it's no expense. Most with cellphones in the US have coast to coast coverage w/ free US calling. | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | an international call can't be more than $0,50 / minute | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have a TeamSpeak server available if we want to use that. | 22:05 |
| * Jaffa is OK with US number | 22:05 | |
| Woody14619 | I don't care what we use frankly. The voice meetings are going to wind up being short now, since it's mainly going to be ageeance on discussion here, yes? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't you say you don't even WANT more than max 15min voice, just to utter "I'm ok with this" | 22:06 |
| Jaffa | That's my understanding | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woody14619, indeed. | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, +1 | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what's the problem with international call 3min then? | 22:07 |
| Jaffa | Not sure anyone *has* expressed a problem yet... | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not included in the agenda is DocScrutinizer05's suggestion to delegate authority to every member so we don't have to meet to decide which brand of toilet paper to buy. | 22:07 |
| win7mac | I'd rather go TS than waste money | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: +1 | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | win7mac: your suggestion already wastes "money" (since time is money) | 22:08 |
| chem|st | no trolling please | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good luck guys! | 22:08 |
| Jaffa | win7mac: Are you on the Concert-Oh? And everyone else can dial in via the POTS details GeneralAntilles shared | 22:08 |
| chem|st | thanks! | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: this been 0 trolling | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, good luck and seeya | 22:09 |
| win7mac | yes, I'm on the Concert-Oh | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, we're all here, shall we open the meeting? | 22:09 |
| chem|st | sure | 22:09 |
| * Jaffa nods | 22:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, item 1: Formal acceptance of new board members. | 22:10 |
| Woody14619 | can someone cut/paste the conceroh link.. I can't seem to find it. :P | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.concert-oh.com/web/public-meeting/7QLsgypott1Y_BjO5p3sRg== | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | and /topic | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since Woody14619 is the only member present from the previous board, I'd say that falls to him. | 22:11 |
| Woody14619 | I accept all elected members as new board members. :) | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any objections? | 22:11 |
| Jaffa | No | 22:11 |
| chem|st | lol | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right then, 2. Bank account access and financial details (including any external services in the Foundation's name, e.g., Amazon.de). | 22:11 |
| win7mac | I accept | 22:11 |
| Jaffa | We know there are some, based on the random Amazon emails :-) | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need to select a treasurer for Rob to put on the account. | 22:12 |
| chem|st | amazon is easy... board mail is set for the account, I reset the pw and we are good... | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | chem|st, OK, thanks! | 22:12 |
| chem|st | I already altered the interests settings to not get those amazon mails again | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should probably have at least 2-3 board members with access to the bank account. | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | chem|st, perfect. | 22:12 |
| Jaffa | I'd suggest the treasurer is US-based, to avoid any difficulties in the handover from Rob | 22:12 |
| win7mac | agreed | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | And agree on having additional board members to eliminate bus/troll factor | 22:13 |
| chem|st | also from US | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woody14619 seems to have the easiest access to First Bank of Niagara. | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: Ideally, I guess | 22:13 |
| Woody14619 | I'm willing to be on the account as well, but would prefer to not be the defacto treasurer. | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | win7mac has volunteered to be the treasurer | 22:13 |
| win7mac | I might take over in keeping things up to date for you and so on | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for interruption. Sidenote: you will want to explicitly spell the IRC chanlog URL on your voice meeting, to have it attached to the voice record and then reference to this very IRC convo explicitly to agree and vote "YAY", also clearly stating your name | 22:14 |
| Woody14619 | Yes, there are branches on every corner here. | 22:14 |
| chem|st | but as we spent all our money in europe we might consider to move assets to EU | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, noted, thanks. | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 22:14 |
| Woody14619 | chem|st, agreed. | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | chem|st, do you want to investigate our options there? | 22:14 |
| win7mac | thanked + agreed | 22:14 |
| chem|st | you mean like fee-free accounts for NPOs? | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what the situation is with a PA corporation using offshore accounts. | 22:15 |
| chem|st | can check with one of my banks yeah but I guess it does not matter much... a daily-target account is like 8eur/a | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, we'll chase down details on that proposal in an email. | 22:16 |
| chem|st | +1 | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can I give somebody an action item to send an email to start that discussion? | 22:16 |
| chem|st | we can move around who is treasurer later | 22:16 |
| Woody14619 | For the immediate need though, we should select a treasurer and any additional members to put on the account. | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Item 4 is officer selection. | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | win7mac: Where are you based? | 22:17 |
| Woody14619 | If not now, before end of meeting. | 22:17 |
| chem|st | what else of accounts do we have | 22:17 |
| win7mac | germany as well | 22:17 |
| chem|st | I hold the vBulletin account | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm thinking win7mac can be treasurer, Woody14619 and Jaffa also on the account? | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | Agreed. We should complete the handover from the existing treasuter | 22:17 |
| chem|st | so I own the license actually | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | win7mac: Have you an SSN or other form of US ID? | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | Not sure what bank we have the account with, but if they're US they may want the main treasurer to be US identifiable | 22:18 |
| win7mac | SSN or other form of US ID - NO | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I doubt Cosimo had US ID, either. | 22:19 |
| Woody14619 | It may, in the end, make sense to have two accounts, and split the procedes amoung them. Would certainly ease fee hits from PP, banks, etc, on conversion. | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I'm not sure that'll be an issue. | 22:19 |
| win7mac | I mean anybody can be on the papers, I just need acces too and take care of things | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woody14619, yeah, good point. Another item to discuss in the email thread. | 22:19 |
| Woody14619 | .oO(I say, having just spent a bank fee on getting Euro in hand while in the US in prep for my upcomging trip...) | 22:19 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Fair enough. Are we dependent on Cosimo or Rob to handover then? | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, Rob is the only person on the account right now. | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Ah | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | OK | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bank needs meeting minutes selecting a treasurer to add people, Rob is waiting on that. | 22:20 |
| Woody14619 | Cosimo is still on the account, but has limited access, being far far away from any physical branch. | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | Well, in that case, I'm happy for win7mac to be treasurer, and I'm happy to be on the account as a backup | 22:20 |
| Woody14619 | ditto. | 22:20 |
| win7mac | so woody, jaffa + me, is that enough? | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | win7mac, sounds fine to me. | 22:21 |
| Woody14619 | agreed. | 22:21 |
| Jaffa | Agreed | 22:21 |
| win7mac | ok | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, any other major accounts we need to worry about? | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have the info for Facebook, LinkedIn, WordPress, Twitter. | 22:22 |
| Jaffa | PayPal? | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I do not know who has the PayPal access. | 22:22 |
| chem|st | I'd love to screw paypal for good! | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure what other options are out there | 22:23 |
| Woody14619 | I have the Maemo facebook account (as does chem|st, who's done a great job getting activity there and linking in wth Jolla and others) | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most people have a PayPal account. | 22:23 |
| chem|st | and arent aware of what it actually is | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think somebody just needs to chase down the PayPal details from Rob, then. | 22:24 |
| chem|st | it is one of the most expensive money transfer systems! | 22:24 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: And those who don't can still donate via CC etc. | 22:24 |
| Woody14619 | The wordpress and other hifo.org sites are all controlled by Tim S., so we can reset those if need be any time. | 22:24 |
| chem|st | good | 22:24 |
| chem|st | so basically bankaccount and paypal, amazon we can easily trigger if we want to | 22:25 |
| Woody14619 | I may have the PP details in an e-mail from march, but that's a hell of a search... given the folder size of e-mail from Maemo-based stuff I have right now. | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, we can find the PayPal details later. | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shall we close this item? | 22:25 |
| Jaffa | Woody14619: from:*@paypal.com | 22:25 |
| Jaffa | Yup. | 22:25 |
| Woody14619 | Yeah, PP you can reset easy, as it's targeting the main mail alias. | 22:25 |
| chem|st | +1 | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Item: 3. Incorporation status (are we 501(c)(3) or not?) and fixing PayPal donations(!). | 22:25 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Did we deal with other board positions? | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, Item 4. | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shall we jump ahead to 4? | 22:26 |
| Jaffa | No, it's OK | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 22:26 |
| Jaffa | I just didn't have the agenda in front of me and got confused. | 22:26 |
| Woody14619 | To my understanding we are not a 501(c)(3) corporation. The articles of incorperation we used were for a standard corporation. | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, so to clear up PayPal we need to figure out how to change it to a normal account | 22:27 |
| Woody14619 | Generally one must become a corporation first, then apply for not-for-proffit stataus. | 22:27 |
| chem|st | 501c3 is NPO? | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | chem|st, yes. | 22:27 |
| Jaffa | What does that main with regard to board members, tax in income, ...? | 22:27 |
| chem|st | ok | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, no idea. | 22:27 |
| Jaffa | OK, so should we apply for 501c3? How hard is it? What burden of proof is there? What other commitments does it bring to our activities? | 22:28 |
| Woody14619 | It means the company should be paying tax on items purchased (which it has, AFAIK) and may have to file taxes in the US at end of year. | 22:28 |
| Jaffa | Woody14619: Presumably the filing of taxes is the responsibility of the treasurer | 22:28 |
| chem|st | being a normal corp would actualy mean that the donation funds need to be taxed as income, but not at $4000/a | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | 501c3 may increase our administrative overhead way too much to make it worth it. | 22:28 |
| Woody14619 | I can ask my CPA sbout that if desired. He does plenty of small business work with his firm. | 22:28 |
| chem|st | GeneralAntilles: for that we should consider the german e.V. eg registered NPO | 22:29 |
| Woody14619 | chem|st, generally taxes on individials are exampt for the first $5K in the US anyway.. companies may be different, but shouldn't be that far off. | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woody14619, that would be great. | 22:29 |
| Woody14619 | I can take an action to consult my CPA about it. :) He's rather competent. | 22:29 |
| chem|st | quiet easy over here, you just need 7 founders, after that you may reduce the members down to 3 | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ACTION ITEM: Woody14619 will consult his CPA about tax details for the HiFo. | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all howtos I've read say 501c3 NEEDS a lawyer to do it right | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | The US tax code is a mess. | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no normal mortal will master that process | 22:30 |
| Woody14619 | chem|st, agreed. Having it dual-homed would be best IMHO. | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Another email thread item to discuss forming a German NPO? | 22:31 |
| Jaffa | Agreed. Lots to discuss there. | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the e.V. idea been discussed for long and already semi-rolling - well at least we know how to do it and who may do it | 22:31 |
| win7mac | GeneralAntilles, I'll rely on that, you guys are so damn fast... | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, OK. | 22:32 |
| Woody14619 | DocScrutinizer05, it's advised to do so, but not required. I've known a couple groups that went 501(c)(3) on their own, and can ask about it of them. But generally it is easier with a lawyer. This is one area I 'm fuzzy on, since we were *supposed* to look at getting NPO status "as soon as things settled down"... I don't know if that happened in the Nov-March timeframe I was out or not. | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woody14619, somehow, I doubt it did. :D | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what happened was: PayPal froze the account? | 22:33 |
| Woody14619 | As am I, which is why I have the opinion I have, that we are not. The only one who can answer that for sure is Rob though. If it was done, it would have been him doing it. And he'd have the paperwork to prove it, being secretary. | 22:33 |
| chem|st | time people... | 22:33 |
| chem|st | discussions on ML | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, does somebody want to be responsible for kicking off the German NPO discussion on the list? | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | forget about 501c3 for now. My 2 cent | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, +1 | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fix paypal account | 22:34 |
| Woody14619 | PayPal requires verification of status and to link to a bank account. The bank account link failed because they were not able to link with FirstNiagra for some reason. | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FirtViagra? | 22:35 |
| Woody14619 | As I was not on the list, I was unable to get the needed data to get FN involved and figure out why the link failed. | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, once we have current people on the account and access to the PayPal account we can attempt to chase it down again. | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woody14619, do you want to own this task? | 22:36 |
| Woody14619 | And since the account timed out, it will now take direct interaction with PP to reset the account and try to link again, which is difficult at best. | 22:36 |
| chem|st | NPO mail sent to council aswell as board | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | chem|st, thanks! | 22:36 |
| chem|st | I only send discussion starters to have them tracked | 22:37 |
| Woody14619 | I can... Or Jaffa can. It would have to be someone US side with account access. Probably makes most sense for me, since I can visit a local branch and iron it out with a real person sitting there. | 22:37 |
| win7mac | great, thanks chem|st | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, I don't know where the closest branch is | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it's a regional bank. | 22:38 |
| Woody14619 | For you, probably Ohio. ;) | 22:38 |
| win7mac | thanks woody | 22:38 |
| Jaffa | :) | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Definitely none down here in FL. | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, giving ownership of the PayPal issue to Woody14619. | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shall we close this item then? | 22:38 |
| Jaffa | (No results found on firstniagara.com within 100 miles of my home zip) | 22:39 |
| Woody14619 | They're slowly speading (like VD) but they're mainly NE US right now still. NY, PA, OH, MA, MI, etc. | 22:39 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Well, "in progress" | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, right. | 22:39 |
| Woody14619 | They jumped a bit recently by aquiring "Fleet" and another bank, so. :P | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, "in progress", moving on. | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's talking to Rob about that FN stuff? | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Item 4. Officer selection for treasurer, secretary, chair, and communications. | 22:40 |
| Jaffa | Treasurer: done | 22:40 |
| Woody14619 | (Several locals were unhappy with that, as their direct deposit didn't carry over... Not a good sign.) | 22:40 |
| Jaffa | Communications: I nominate GeneralAntilles | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll do it (and try to do a better job this time). | 22:40 |
| Jaffa | Woody14619: (US banking seems very backwards to me ;-)) | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, US banks are super regulated. | 22:40 |
| Woody14619 | I second GA for communications... | 22:41 |
| Jaffa | Does Comms cover updating hildonfoundation.org/about/? | 22:41 |
| Woody14619 | With good reason. | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yes. | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Updating all web presence. | 22:41 |
| Woody14619 | There's also Secretary and Chair to consider. | 22:42 |
| * Woody14619 calls "Not it!" for Chair... no really... | 22:42 | |
| win7mac | agrre to GeneralAntilles for communications | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woody14619 for secretary then? | 22:42 |
| win7mac | and woody for chair + treasurer | 22:42 |
| * Woody14619 hides! :) | 22:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest jaffa for chair | 22:42 |
| win7mac | secretary belongs to Jaffa! | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | +1 | 22:42 |
| Jaffa | win7mac: I thought you were going to be treasurer? | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | You two will have to fight it out amongst yourselves. | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | OK, so current sugestions are: | 22:43 |
| win7mac | or the other way round, ok | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | Treasurer: win7mac or Woody14619 | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | Chair: Woody14619 or Jaffa | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | Secretary: Woody14619 | 22:43 |
| Woody14619 | Secretary I could do... | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | Given Woody14619 doesn't want to be chair, I'm happy to do it if no-one else wants to herd you evil cats | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can we have 2 treasurers? | 22:43 |
| Woody14619 | And I can be "assistant treasurer" if need be for doing things to get accounts squared away. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ +1 | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a few assistants | 22:44 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: Legally, I suspect we should have one *treasurer*, but that doesn't mean it can't be shared/delegated | 22:44 |
| Jaffa | "Responsibility" vs. "doing" | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | win7mac, as primary treasurer. Woody14619 can assist with local contact. | 22:44 |
| Woody14619 | sounds viable to me. | 22:44 |
| chem|st | hail! | 22:44 |
| * Jaffa agrees. | 22:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd suggest other way round | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | simplifies FN stuff | 22:44 |
| Woody14619 | wait... chem|st doesn't have a title yet. ;) | 22:45 |
| win7mac | "Responsibility" vs. "doing" - EXACTLY | 22:45 |
| Jaffa | Either works for me. Having local access to bank for treasurer would be easier I suspect | 22:45 |
| * chem|st hides behind GeneralAntilles | 22:45 | |
| * GeneralAntilles isn't very large. | 22:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | win7mac: 1. vice treasurer, EU branch | 22:45 |
| Woody14619 | That will incetivise us to setup EU account, which is frankly more needed at this moment. | 22:45 |
| * chem|st isn't very thick | 22:45 | |
| win7mac | no, wait, I'm doing, woody's responsible | 22:45 |
| chem|st | ^^ | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, treasurer: Woody14619, win7mac will handle the financial grunt work? | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:46 |
| win7mac | yep! | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds fine to me. | 22:46 |
| Woody14619 | hmmm.... Really would prefer other way around, but for now, if it makes the paperwork easier, sure. | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | We can make changes once we pursue the EU stuff. | 22:47 |
| win7mac | Woody, just forward everything to me, I'll take care! | 22:47 |
| chem|st | ehrm with woody being secretary he cannot be treasurer | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can switch that any future time | 22:47 |
| Woody14619 | We really do need to look into setting up an EU account though.. for no other reason than to avoid transfer/bank fees. | 22:47 |
| chem|st | yeah will call my bank 2morrow | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might guess... German banks are fine with 1. vice treasurer, if they content with that at all | 22:48 |
| chem|st | will ask for papers if it sounds sane | 22:48 |
| win7mac | OFC woody being secretary he *can* be treasurer | 22:48 |
| Woody14619 | I see no reason we can't have two treasurers.. :) | 22:48 |
| win7mac | vice treasurer, like that! | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: +1 | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | US branch, EU branch | 22:49 |
| chem|st | well do what you like^^ one of you needs to send me papers as soon as I figured out how to get an account for an US corp... | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how you share workload is your business | 22:49 |
| win7mac | or just make woody stay chair and have Jaffa as secretary | 22:49 |
| Woody14619 | Secretary has some legal requirements.. to track and hold papers and such. Which we need to get from Rob. | 22:50 |
| chem|st | any director possition has a conflict of interest with treasurer that is why secretary isn't it by default in a NPO... | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | secretary has to handle all the papers. Chair has... to write meeting minutes | 22:50 |
| Woody14619 | Personally, I'm for getting a POBox and putting that as the main address, scanning everything and putting in an on-line repo, and calling it a day. :) | 22:50 |
| chem|st | secretary has the minutes here, iirc | 22:50 |
| Jaffa | That would be my understanding. | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't we agree on forgetting about NPO for nowß | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 22:51 |
| Woody14619 | Not NPO... POBox (Post office box). | 22:51 |
| Jaffa | Chair chairs meetings and ensures they happen. Secretary handles minutes | 22:51 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: npo is a general term and if we form an e.V. we must seperate things that way | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | time | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aye | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chair and secretary. | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who's it? | 22:52 |
| Jaffa | One of me and Woody14619. Don't mind which way round | 22:52 |
| win7mac | I'm out | 22:52 |
| Woody14619 | I would prefer to not be chair. :) | 22:52 |
| chem|st | ok so jaffa is to become chair woody is to become secretary GeneralAntilles is to become coms win7mac is to become treasurer | 22:52 |
| chem|st | sounds sane to me | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | +1 | 22:52 |
| Jaffa | Happy | 22:53 |
| Woody14619 | works for me | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +1 | 22:53 |
| chem|st | win7mac: ? | 22:53 |
| win7mac | okie! | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, that's it for that topic, then? | 22:53 |
| chem|st | good... next! | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget about your voice AYE | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, yep, at the end. | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Item 5. Briefing on Nokia handover contract and any other non-public negotiations the board has been involved in. | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is basically all on Rob. | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rob's not here | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-16 21:52:33] <win7mac> I'm out | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, I guess we put it on hold until we can get him to cooperate. | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | So, as chair, I will now ask if the remaining items ("Briefing on Nokia handover", "Email exchanges", "Private keys", "Ongoing business", "By-laws") should be covered via email or in a subsequent meeting | 22:54 |
| win7mac | all's good | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Email. | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Indeed. The bylaws presumably provide some kind of legal pressure for him to cooperate with a replacement board | 22:54 |
| chem|st | 22:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly blocking on a person who isn't here. | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | Do any of those items want to be discussed now? | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | So little point in discussing now. | 22:54 |
| Woody14619 | Works.. I think the rest of this is best done by e-mail and followup as noted. | 22:55 |
| Jaffa | Agreed. | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only thing I think we should hit is DocScrutinizer05's proposal about delegation to avoid voice meetings. | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:55 |
| win7mac | OR IN #maemo-board!!! | 22:55 |
| chem|st | nope | 22:55 |
| Jaffa | win7mac: Only for sensitive, informal discussions | 22:55 |
| chem|st | signed emails is ok | 22:55 |
| Jaffa | The whole problem of lack of handover is because of a lack of organisation around details | 22:56 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: PGP-signed, you mean? | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IRC is not official for this, particulalrly not a closed unlogged channel | 22:56 |
| chem|st | Jaffa: yes | 22:56 |
| win7mac | right, ok | 22:56 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: Something like email goes out (probably from chair), and is signed. A majority/whatever of other board members reply with "Yes" or "No" in signed emails. | 22:57 |
| chem|st | yes | 22:57 |
| Jaffa | Chair and secretary have public keys of board members (hell, put them publicly on hifo.org) and verify result | 22:57 |
| chem|st | preferably we sign our keys from each other | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | think of all things spoken in #maemo-board as if they were spoken in a pub, on informal meeting. nothing will persist | 22:57 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: +1 | 22:57 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: Logistically tricky to get the chain of trust, indeed. | 22:57 |
| chem|st | my keys are signe by cacert and I am also an assurer if need be for certs for servers etc, just to let you know | 22:58 |
| win7mac | what keys? | 22:58 |
| Woody14619 | Then we must agree as a board to accept signed e-mail as such (rather to have the secretary accept them as such, since that's the key of the issue) | 22:58 |
| Jaffa | Woody14619: Indeed, I mean for any individual acceptance it would be the Secretary confirming the votes were in order. | 22:58 |
| Jaffa | Woody14619: ...once the process was agreed. | 22:58 |
| Jaffa | win7mac: GPG/PGP public/private key pair. | 22:59 |
| Woody14619 | And, via PA law, an majority acting and informing the secretary is allowed without a meeting. FYI. | 22:59 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: Nice. Most/all of my keys are self-signed at the moment. | 22:59 |
| chem|st | Jaffa: we can change that | 22:59 |
| Jaffa | win7mac: http://git-blame.blogspot.com/2011/11/pgp-key-signing-and-ca-fire-and-forget.html for background | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: great! | 23:00 |
| win7mac | what? I send you a regular mail, if you want with my signature and that's it... | 23:00 |
| chem|st | are all agreeing on that PGP idea? | 23:00 |
| Woody14619 | +1 | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please discuss PGP nittigritties later | 23:00 |
| Jaffa | win7mac: It's signed with your private key and that can be verified with your public key | 23:00 |
| chem|st | +1 | 23:01 |
| win7mac | have to look into that | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +1 | 23:01 |
| Jaffa | +1 | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | +1 | 23:01 |
| win7mac | 0 | 23:01 |
| Jaffa | And, from Woody14619's comment about PA law, that meets the requirements for the voice call? | 23:01 |
| Woody14619 | win7mac, most mail clients have a plugin to make it easy. | 23:01 |
| chem|st | 4/0/1 | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | win7mac: what's your problem? | 23:01 |
| win7mac | not sure | 23:02 |
| chem|st | jaffa next | 23:02 |
| win7mac | don't know it | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sign your official mails with PGP, all fine | 23:02 |
| win7mac | ok, I will! | 23:02 |
| chem|st | :) | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, we'll get it figured out with you. | 23:02 |
| Woody14619 | Jaffa, no, the voice call must still happen. esp for this meeting. Bylawss require a quarterly meeting minimum. Meetings must include voice call by PA law. | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | secretary gets instructed to accept signed mails as official | 23:02 |
| chem|st | I will sign all keys I receive so we can generate a rotary trust | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no more meeting needed | 23:02 |
| *** Pali has quit IRC | 23:03 | |
| Woody14619 | But actions outside meetings can happen with a majority agreing and informing secretary of the action. | 23:03 |
| chem|st | jaffa voice then? | 23:03 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: Yup | 23:03 |
| Jaffa | So, we will now have a voice call on the previously provided POTS details (as part of Concert-Oh) to confirm: | 23:03 |
| Woody14619 | I will dial in... probably best for you all to do so as well. | 23:03 |
| Jaffa | * Bank account: win7mac, Woody14619, Jaffa | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great job done, guys! Thanks a lot from me and for sure from whole council and community! | 23:04 |
| Jaffa | * Treasurer: Woody14619 (with assistance from win7mac) | 23:04 |
| Jaffa | Sorry: | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, no, thank you! | 23:04 |
| Jaffa | * Treasurer: win7mac (with assistance from Woody14619) | 23:04 |
| Jaffa | * Secretary: Woody14619 | 23:05 |
| Jaffa | * Comms: GeneralAntilles | 23:05 |
| Jaffa | * Chair: Jaffa | 23:05 |
| Jaffa | * Acceptance of PGP-signed emails (to be organised indepdently and verifiably) for Board action | 23:05 |
| Jaffa | Anything else? Have we got a URL for the log to quote? | 23:05 |
| chem|st | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2013-07-16.log.html | 23:06 |
| Woody14619 | beat me to it | 23:06 |
| Woody14619 | Am dialed in now. | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | Ta. | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | "Please wait" | 23:06 |
| chem|st | I am dialed in but after you are accepted and will now be forwarded I hav silence! | 23:07 |
| Jaffa | Ditto | 23:07 |
| Jaffa | Do we need the leader? (win7mac?) | 23:07 |
| Woody14619 | I am dialed in now. win7mac, you made meeting, do you need to activate it? | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BoD unanimously agrees that secretary accepts PGP mails from majority of BoD as valid decision of BoD on any topic. BoD will on case by case decide to allow arbitrary members of boD to act on behalf of HiFo on a certain topic/task. This will get noticed to secretary by aforementioned signed mails | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok? | 23:07 |
| win7mac | dialing in now :( | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | The grayed "Unmute me" button at the tope seems applicable. | 23:08 |
| chem|st | silence! | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think win7mac has to do something to let us speak. | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, probably | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | room manager | 23:08 |
| Jaffa | Agreed | 23:08 |
| win7mac | i'm on it... | 23:08 |
| Woody14619 | prob upper left area | 23:09 |
| Woody14619 | Mouse over the meeting details. | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Start recording, unmute all? | 23:09 |
| Woody14619 | You probaly have an unmute all button | 23:09 |
| chem|st | ok screw it! waht are the TS details? | 23:10 |
| win7mac | Start recording, unmute all? - checked! all ok | 23:10 |
| Woody14619 | seems to be recording.. I am still muted | 23:10 |
| Woody14619 | I tried raising my hand... | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Disconnected. . . . | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | I still can't hear anything | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Redialing | 23:11 |
| chem|st | teamspeak please... | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | thousandsparrows.com | 23:11 |
| chem|st | in | 23:12 |
| Woody14619 | this worked well the first time we did it. :P | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: who got a TS client? | 23:12 |
| Woody14619 | Downloading TS client now. | 23:12 |
| Jaffa | I don't | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:12 |
| Jaffa | Trying to download now | 23:12 |
| win7mac | I don't. Woody, set up a new one? | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it's working for Chemist and I. | 23:12 |
| Woody14619 | http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=downloads | 23:12 |
| Jaffa | Dum de dum | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh c'mon | 23:13 |
| win7mac | only me, GA and woody are on concert-oh...! | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | olready works for 2 | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3? | 23:13 |
| * Jaffa will try the Concert-Oh again | 23:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Chemist and I so far | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | But we can definitely hear one another. | 23:14 |
| win7mac | me being without voice ATM, will dial in as soon the others join | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so how hard can it be for the rest of you | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta install it. | 23:14 |
| chem|st | wasn't that way on concertoh... | 23:14 |
| win7mac | so what now, concert-oh or TS | 23:15 |
| win7mac | ? | 23:15 |
| chem|st | ts | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's working. | 23:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks | 23:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | we only need simple majority, correct? | 23:15 |
| chem|st | we have at least 2 more working for now^^ | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, bugs, bugs. It'll be easy next meeting. | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, this is inaugural meeting | 23:16 |
| Jaffa | <sigh /> | 23:16 |
| Jaffa | TS doesn't work through our VPN/firewall | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blerg | 23:16 |
| Jaffa | Can it use a SOCKS proxy (though god knows what it'd do to latency) | 23:16 |
| chem|st | sure | 23:17 |
| chem|st | should work | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | guys, you can't play install-teamspeak while others dialed in to an overseas number and pay for every minute | 23:17 |
| Jaffa | Well, I tried Concert-Oh again. It did not work. | 23:17 |
| win7mac | i'm not dialed-in atm | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Concerto-Oh seems to be doing nothing. | 23:17 |
| win7mac | i try online | 23:18 |
| chem|st | I had a 6minute silence call... | 23:18 |
| Jaffa | win7mac: We think you have to enable it online | 23:18 |
| chem|st | and am not able to login | 23:18 |
| Jaffa | Start the meeting or something | 23:18 |
| win7mac | i tried everything, all is set... f*ck this | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mouse over the users on the bottom | 23:19 |
| Jaffa | If it isn't working in two minutes, we will end the meeting and establish a separate 5 minute meeting | 23:19 |
| Jaffa | Via a trial of GoToMeeting or similar | 23:19 |
| chem|st | teamviewer is free and should work with your vpn | 23:19 |
| chem|st | at least non commercial | 23:19 |
| Jaffa | I can hear now on Concert-Oh | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 23:20 |
| Jaffa | WTF was that noise? | 23:20 |
| Jaffa | Please don't do that whoever it was. | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably me. | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Webcam mic | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hang on | 23:20 |
| Jaffa | Tsk. | 23:20 |
| win7mac | woody, i made you moderator | 23:21 |
| Jaffa | Gone quiet now | 23:21 |
| Woody14619 | k, are we back on concertoh now? | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 23:21 |
| Jaffa | OK, one more minute. | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess I got muted again after disconnecting to change input source. | 23:21 |
| win7mac | still i onlysee woody + general on concert | 23:22 |
| Jaffa | Otherwise I'll arrange something else for a similar time tomorrow for 5 minutes, with a pre-established agenda and script | 23:22 |
| Jaffa | I'm dialled in to the details GeneralAntilles pasted above | 23:22 |
| Jaffa | Heard stuff. Now silent. | 23:22 |
| Jaffa | 30 seconds | 23:22 |
| Woody14619 | dialed back in | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's call it and figure something else out. | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | win7mac: you won't see dialins named | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a huge amount of urgency to the voice portion. | 23:23 |
| Jaffa | Called it. | 23:23 |
| chem|st | ok | 23:23 |
| Jaffa | Meeting ended. Thank you for your participation. I will set up a new voice call. | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, everybody! | 23:24 |
| Jaffa | Woody14619: Can you handle minutes ahead of that? | 23:24 |
| chem|st | ty | 23:24 |
| Woody14619 | so.. I'm on Ts and concerto now... | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you're the only one | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 23:26 |
| win7mac | Well, we had time to discuss this shit, this was forseeable :( | 23:26 |
| chem|st | ^^nope he is talking to mê! | 23:26 |
| win7mac | to everybody! | 23:26 |
| win7mac | except doc | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, no worries. | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | No harm, no foul. | 23:26 |
| chem|st | I said I would rather like to have some reliable tested service... | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ts | 23:27 |
| Woody14619 | So... yeah... This was much easier the first time. Concertoh worked (via POTS at least) | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're all busy. Shit happens. | 23:27 |
| chem|st | well concertoh has its website borked... | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather PFF | 23:27 |
| Jaffa | POTS deals need circulating ahead of time. | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (([2013-07-16 22:26:38] <win7mac> except doc)) did I suggest POTS? did I? | 23:28 |
| win7mac | so TS then, ok I'll install that, happy then? | 23:28 |
| Jaffa | No, TS won't work for everyone | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | POTS supposed to work for everybody | 23:29 |
| win7mac | POTS? - I'd be broke by now ;) | 23:29 |
| Jaffa | Indeed | 23:29 |
| Woody14619 | jaffa, when you have some time, play around with the TS stuff.. maybe you can find a way to get it to work. | 23:30 |
| win7mac | so no concert + no TS? | 23:30 |
| Woody14619 | not urgent right now. | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohyeah, [2013-07-16 22:07:56] <win7mac> dialing in now :( - 22:30 = 23min * 0.5$ | 23:30 |
| Woody14619 | as others have to take off anyway (end of time) | 23:30 |
| Woody14619 | But how I can put together a summary of the minutes, then once we do get it ironed out we can quickly hop on *-voice service-* and confirm for the record. | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but how? but Now?? | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Presumably. | 23:32 |
| Jaffa | Woody14619: That's what I was thinking. Minutes/link to IRC log. Then we can dial in and confirm our acceptance of various things in a quick <5 minute call | 23:32 |
| Jaffa | I'm going to try scheduling the meeting for the same time (1900 UTC) tomorrow | 23:33 |
| chem|st | bye lads! | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later, chem|st. | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anticipate at least 10min, incl repeated dialin | 23:34 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: Indeed | 23:34 |
| win7mac | is everybody available? | 23:34 |
| Woody14619 | agreed. I wonder if I can get TS on my N900. That would be cool. :) | 23:34 |
| Jaffa | Woody14619: I've got the call details, so let me know when we have minutes (which you should probably send signed) | 23:34 |
| Woody14619 | 1900 UTS = 3pm for me. Again, doable, but will be at work (as I am now). | 23:35 |
| Jaffa | Woody14619: Ditto (noon here). SHould only take 5 mins | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please everybody send me your balance for the calls, and your paypal/bank account so I'll refund you for your expense from funds I collected | 23:36 |
| Jaffa | What countries do we need numbers in? US/UK/Germany/Canada? | 23:37 |
| Woody14619 | Thus the desire to get something like TS working. | 23:37 |
| win7mac | So dial-in instead of TS? | 23:37 |
| win7mac | germany here | 23:38 |
| Jaffa | Woody14619: GoToMeeting provides numbers around the globe: http://support.citrixonline.com/en_US/gotomeeting/all_files/GTM030004 | 23:38 |
| Woody14619 | Who's in UK/Canada? | 23:38 |
| Jaffa | Woody14619: Dunno, I'm covering my ass | 23:38 |
| win7mac | oh, you can all very well call me ;-) | 23:39 |
| Woody14619 | I think we're US/Germany honestly. chem|st, win7mac, DocScrutinizer05 all germany. You, me, GeneralAntilles all US. | 23:39 |
| win7mac | rigt woody | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think chem|stwill complain | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik he's not exactly Germany? | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but close enough | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not sure about it though | 23:40 |
| Jaffa | If he lets me know I'll see if I can get a number | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually you could do a ISDN (even POTS with ANIS extensions) conference call chain ;-D | 23:41 |
| win7mac | you wouldn't rely on that, would you? | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless a 3-party-call doesn't allow one of the invited far ends to generate a 3-party call of his own | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even German telecom offers conference calls by simply dialing in to a number + room extension afaik | 23:43 |
| Jaffa | Invite sent for tomorrow at 1900 UTC to confirm minutes and decisions | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://konferenzen.telekom.de/telefonkonferenzen?wt_mc=alias_1074_telefonkonferenz | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | adhoc conference | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 01805 1009 | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +49 1805 1009 | 23:46 |
| win7mac | The GoToMeeting Integrated Toll-Free audio conferencing service does not include germany | 23:46 |
| win7mac | :( | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, "Google Calendar invitations cannot be forwarded via email. This event belongs to board@hildonfoundation.org and you are logged in as rabelg5@gmail.com. Please ask the meeting organiser to add you to the event from Google Calendar." | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shit | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh well. | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://konferenzen.telekom.de/sofortkonferenz-einrichten | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 509251 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you all just dial +49 1805 1009 then go to room 509251 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I made up that number, hoping it's not occupied | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ) | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | roomnumber that is | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd bet THAT one works | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since "it just works" is the *only* thing German Telekom can use on their advertisment side, otherwise customers go to concertOh to fail for free | 23:51 |
| win7mac | just tell me what + where and I'll try to make it. I just won't host it | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm first visitor in room 509251 | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 100% painless | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I ended call since it costs me actually 50ct/min | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ) | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from mobile phone | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | POTS is cheaper | 23:54 |
| Jaffa | win7mac: No, but there's a local number. | 23:54 |
| win7mac | i had my try, whatever you guys suggest... | 23:56 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Bah. I'll need specific email addresses then. Presumably you can add it to your local calendar without accepting, though | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aye | 23:56 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: Everyone dialling a German number doesn't sound cost effective | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | messing for hours with 4 "free" alternatives is not effective | 23:56 |
| Jaffa | And I've scheduled one which is a proper global company that we use regularly at work. | 23:57 |
| Jaffa | Which provides POTS numbers in multiple countries | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, so pretty please make sure you tested things a 30min before, and you're first in room | 23:57 |
| Jaffa | Of course | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: sure, I suggested exactly that to win7mac | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since I did same in my job | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I forgot which company we used | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it also had multiple national dial-in numbers | 23:59 |
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