IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Tuesday, 2010-02-02

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sjaenschhi everybody16:15
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, can you remove the sticky topic ?16:15
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VDVsxI can't change it that way16:15
VDVsxsjaensch, hey16:15
GeneralAntillesAh, right, um, time to play with the new services16:15
GeneralAntillesOne minute16:15
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GeneralAntillesVDVsx, only X-Fade can do it.16:16
GeneralAntillesWe really need to get a successor set.16:16
GeneralAntillesDid you fill out that alt contact form?16:17
VDVsxyes16:17
VDVsxbut didn't received anything16:17
GeneralAntillesOK, cool.16:17
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, w00t said to get him to poke someone after 7 days.16:17
VDVsxok16:17
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rosheniawf?16:25
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andre__yo.16:31
VDVsxhey16:31
VDVsxwhere the rest of the maemo.org team :D16:31
VDVsx*where's16:31
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danielwilmshello16:32
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VDVsxlet's wait 2~3 minutes, to see if dneary and jeremiah show up16:33
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VDVsxok, lets start :)16:36
VDVsxandre__, karstenb , 9.12-1  Working bugzilla 3.4, migration path notes16:36
VDVsxany updates ?16:36
karstenblets do all three together...16:36
karstenbContinued working on the different Bugzilla 3.4 tasks. Not a terribly productive month for me. Got lost slightly between tasks, and fell behind schedule and hours in Jan (part-time). Carried over to Feb.16:36
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karstenbAlso, sorry for not communicating status better. My bad.16:36
karstenbAs for Feb, please carry over 9.12-1, -5 and -7. I propose MUST for all of them.16:37
dnearyHi16:37
karstenbPleae feel free to uppercase MUST. ;)  I definitely want to get this wrapped up for good this month.16:37
VDVsxok16:37
VDVsxchanging status on the SHOULDs16:37
andre__karstenb, GeneralAntilles also asked me "did you ever get a chance to poke Karsten about the public VCS?"16:37
karstenbyes, please :)16:37
VDVsxok, done16:38
VDVsxnext dneary16:39
dnearyHi16:39
VDVsx9.11-08  No  orphaned pages and revise Wiki navigation16:39
VDVsxdneary, hey16:39
dnearyMade some good progress the past couple of days16:40
dnearyDown to 28 in a second16:40
dnearyWiki navigation is coming along too16:40
VDVsxhey, very good progress in the last couple of days, also I noticed a lot of refactoring in some articles :)16:40
dnearyAnd amigadave is doing great work on extras and packaging pages16:41
VDVsxso, carry it as a must ?16:41
dnearyI put it at 80% - a quick run through the navigation & I'll be marking this mostly done16:41
dnearyYes16:41
VDVsxok16:41
VDVsxdneary, 10.01-03   Document processes for maemo.org infrastructure  Must16:42
dnearySee the pages linked off http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team16:42
dnearyAgain, everyone has helped a lot here16:42
VDVsxbtw, I liked that page to the front page of the wiki16:43
VDVsxcarry it as well ?16:43
dnearyThanks to Jeremiah and Henri for taking time to tell me a bunch of stuff which is now documented about Midgard & packaging, and Andre for documenting everything to do with bugzilla16:43
dnearywhich page to the front page?16:43
dnearyI need to get Niels16:43
dnearybasically16:44
VDVsxdneary, meamo.org team16:44
dnearyAnd feri, who's been documenting everything at maemo.org/infra16:44
dnearyVDVsx, Maybe...16:44
VDVsxI already did that :D16:44
dnearyThere's some duplication with Maemo people16:44
dnearyAnd I should talk to Reggie & Karsten too, but it feels somehow like they're doing less stuff that only they can do16:45
dnearyHopefully by the end of February we'll all be redundant and anyone else can take over our jobs16:45
VDVsxlol16:46
VDVsx9.09-01  Push packaging policy updates  Should  X-Fade, danielwilms  60%16:47
VDVsxdanielwilms, any updates ?16:47
danielwilmssorry...but this hangs here internally16:47
danielwilmslittle circle of people who can do that16:47
danielwilmsand they are pretty busy16:47
danielwilmsI hope that it gets forward soon...otherwise we have to see how we can work on this as a community thing16:48
danielwilmsunfortunately not so much progress in the last month16:48
VDVsxok, carry it as a should ? or change priority ?16:48
VDVsxdo you think this can be done next month ?16:49
danielwilmsI hope so16:49
VDVsx*this month16:49
VDVsxdanielwilms, ok, changing to MUST, since is a old task16:50
danielwilmsok16:50
VDVsxdanielwilms, 9.09-10  Implement SSO sync-API endpoint for garage  Should16:50
danielwilmsWe had a meeting last week with bergie and alexey16:51
danielwilmschanged the priorities a bit...16:51
danielwilmsso that I first integrated the database, alexey used in midgard2 into cas16:51
danielwilmsthis is done16:51
danielwilmscarry 9.09-10 over as a must16:52
VDVsxdanielwilms, ok, what's missing in the SSO front ? do we have the other services ready ?16:52
VDVsxapart from garage16:53
danielwilmsbugzilla is missing16:53
danielwilmsand talk16:53
danielwilmsmidgard, wiki and garage are integrated16:53
danielwilmshopefully next month is the real server in place so that we can set that up on the real test server16:54
VDVsxok16:54
VDVsxis indeyets around ? using a different nick ? :)16:54
VDVsxdanielwilms, ah, you have another one: 10.01-07  Wiki & Midgard2 data sync  Could16:55
danielwilmsthis is planned for feb...I just put it there last week that we won't forget it16:56
VDVsxok, no problem16:56
VDVsx10.01-01  Refine the karma system  Must16:57
VDVsxthat's mine16:57
VDVsxwe already have a consensus in everything expect the app karma, so I'll carry a small task for the apps karma16:57
VDVsxI already sent the proposed changes to bergi, no news so far :(16:57
VDVsxand the karma count is currently stuck16:58
VDVsxdneary, do you know the timeframe for the next council elections ?16:59
dnearyVDVsx, Haven't thought about it16:59
dnearyLet me check16:59
VDVsxwhen the list of candidates and voters should be extracted16:59
VDVsxwe're open for new tasks17:00
dnearyElection: March 201017:00
dnearyElection open 1 week17:00
VDVsxdneary, so, this need to be deal this month17:02
dnearyhttp://maemo.org/vote/ (cannot open database)17:02
dnearyMigration issue, I guess17:02
VDVsxpublish the lists and start accepting candidates17:02
VDVsxdneary, fill a bug :D17:03
dnearyVDVsx, Counting back from the election, there's the election date, which for the last election was 28/09/0917:04
dnearyThus, election should happen before the end of March17:04
VDVsxehehe17:04
VDVsxnice17:04
VDVsxI think, we still have time17:04
dnearyBack 1 week for election, 1 week for canvas, 1 week for nominations open, 1 week for announcement of election17:04
dnearySo we can announce the election & dates at the end of February & have some margin for error17:05
dnearyWe can already fix the dates for karma for candidates & voters17:05
VDVsxok, so new tasks,I already have some from X-Fade:17:06
VDVsx- Maintainer part for Packages interface17:06
VDVsx - Work with Jeremiah on repository management tools change17:06
VDVsx- Cleanup repository, remove old versions. Script already ready.17:06
VDVsxand 3 small improvements to the package interface17:06
VDVsxdneary, election stuff this month, right ?17:07
VDVsxname for the task ? :)17:08
dnearyI guess "Announce March 10 Community Council elections"17:09
VDVsxadded as MUST17:09
andre__(bug 8599 should get fixed for the election, I'd say)17:09
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8599 Karma is not recalculated17:09
dnearyAnd have it point to [[Community Council/Council election Q1 2010]]17:10
VDVsxandre__, yeah, perhaps I should ping bergie again17:10
* Jaffa agrees17:10
dnearyandre__, That's above & beyond my capabilities :)17:10
VDVsxdneary, more new tasks or we're done ?17:11
jebbahttp://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_proposals17:11
dnearyVDVsx, Give me a sec17:11
dnearyMove on, I'll be back17:11
VDVsxjebba, want to propose something ? or take a task ?17:11
dnearyThere's one more I wanted to commit to this month17:11
VDVsxdneary, ok17:11
VDVsxandre__, anything new ? you've 3 MUST already17:12
jebbaVDVsx: proposed:  http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:rsyncd     http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Move_DNS   http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Wiki_dumps17:12
VDVsxany takers ^ ?17:12
dnearyandre__, By the way, I wanted to talk to you about using Bugzilla to track documentation bugs - it's not very obvious where to post bugs about (say) the wiki or the developer guide17:12
andre__VDVsx: actually these MUSTs are more Karsten's MUSTs I must say. Bugday again, definitely, in the next three weeks.17:13
andre__dneary, sure - proposals welcome :)17:13
VDVsxjebba, I'll assign the rsyncd stuff to Jeremiah, I think we can do it17:13
VDVsxandre__, bugday added17:13
jebbaok17:14
sjaenschVDVsx: while I don't know the current status of DNS, I could provide an additional secondary (slave) server for the zone if needed17:14
GeneralAntillesandre__, good excuse to reel in some more canconfirms.17:14
andre__oh yeah :)17:14
VDVsxDNS is up to tero I guess17:14
GeneralAntillesTero and Niels need to handle the dNS17:14
VDVsxNiels is on Holidays and already booked, so no away :)17:15
VDVsxdanielwilms, any new task ?17:16
sjaenschhow about Tero?17:16
VDVsxI'll ask him17:16
dnearywiki dump needs someone with access to crontab17:16
dnearyThat's Niels, Ferenc17:16
VDVsxNeils again17:16
VDVsx:D17:16
dnearyI might be able to get admin access for the database17:17
sjaenschwho is filling in for him? :)17:17
dnearysjaensch, Henri mostly - Ferenc is on holiday this month also17:17
dnearysjaensch, Mostly we're not going to be making changes until he gets back next week17:17
dnearyFor obvious reasons very few people have root access to Maemo's servers17:18
dnearyHenri says hi (I have him on IM)17:18
dnearyHe's on a bus, no IRC access17:18
sjaenschdneary: ok. Well, I'm mostly interested in helping with infrastructure. So if there are things like rsync or DNS, I can provide some hardware.17:18
dnearyHe says he will do the karma changes this month17:18
GeneralAntillesIf you've got IM and an N900, you have IRC. :D17:18
sjaenschand do the setup of course17:18
dnearyAnd some infrastructure stuff - he's trialing maemo.org off a much faster midgard217:19
dnearysjaensch, I'd love to be able to say anything on the subject, but I'm not the man to talk to I'm afraid17:19
VDVsxah, almost forget, my new ones: - start the testing Squad(will think in a better name) and -GSoC '1017:21
danielwilmsVDVsx: sorry, was in a discussion...tero is on vacations, new task for feb would be the appdownloader ready for extras-testing17:21
VDVsxdanielwilms, ok, thanks17:21
VDVsxJeremiah is also on vacations ? anyone knows ?17:22
sjaenschso everybody with root access is on vacation? ;)17:23
dnearysjaensch, No17:23
dnearysjaensch, I believe danielwilms has root access to most machines17:23
dnearyAnd as you can see here: http://maemo.org/infra/17:24
VDVsxsjaensch, there's Nokians with root access, in case of a urgent matter :)17:24
jebbadneary: 40417:24
dnearyjebba, Shouldn't be17:24
GeneralAntillesSame here?17:25
GeneralAntilleser17:25
sjaenschdneary: same here17:25
dnearyI think it's connected to the mysql database being down17:25
GeneralAntillesMaybe on testing only?17:25
GeneralAntillesOh17:25
dnearySame for me, of course - but it shouldn't be a 404, usually it contains a list of maemo.org servers, services and admins17:25
danielwilmsit has restricted access17:25
dnearyAh, indeed - I wasn't logged in17:26
dnearyThat explains it.17:26
dnearyShouldn't that be public?17:27
GeneralAntillesSome naming issues on that page. ;)17:27
* VDVsx checks17:27
VDVsxdon't have enough powers for that page :)17:27
GeneralAntilless/Maemo.org/maemo.org/g s/Maemo Server/maemo.org Server/ etc.17:27
dnearyEero also has root access on everything, and on stage, for example, jeremiah, Ed Bartosh, Marcell & danielwilms have root access too17:28
dnearyGeneralAntilles, Maemo Server is roughly accurate17:29
dnearymaemo.org project manager is probably better17:29
GeneralAntillesdneary, I don't see any nokia.coms there. ;)17:29
dnearyTero17:29
dnearyGeneralAntilles, Nor do I, but I'm sure that daniel knows several17:29
GeneralAntillesIn the list of servers, that is.17:30
GeneralAntillesand unless that list is including stuff beyond maemo.org, it really is maemo.org Servers.17:30
jebbaanyone have perms to make that list public?17:30
VDVsxis there a need to make the list public ?17:31
sjaenschI'm logged in, but still can't see the page17:31
jebba...17:31
sjaenschVDVsx: is there a need not to?17:31
dnearyjebba, I *could* make it public, but I think that we should ask the people who created the page first17:32
VDVsxsjaensch, yes, so persons don't need to be bugged :D17:32
dnearyNamely, Niels, Ferenc, Tero...17:32
GeneralAntillesWhat group is it currently limited to?17:32
danielwilmssjaensch as the dns stuff goes into tero's area, I would suggest to wait until next week, when he is back and ping him then17:32
sjaenschdanielwilms: thanks, will do17:32
dnearySo add a task "Make maemo.org/infra public, or explain why it's private"17:33
dnearyAnd assign it to Niels?17:33
VDVsxok, done, that could be added to a wiki page, with 'less' information, IMO17:35
danielwilmsand the infra page has too much contact information, and make sense to keep that closed for the people, who are working with the machines...general contacts are ferenc, niels, tero and me when there are problems or proposals or otherwise the list17:35
danielwilmsVDVsx that might be a good idea17:36
VDVsxok, I think we're done for today :)17:37
VDVsxthanks all!!17:37
danielwilmsthanks! bye!17:37
GeneralAntillesThanks, VDVsx.17:37
GeneralAntillesBy the way, while people are here.17:37
GeneralAntillesAny Nokians or Maemo-related contractors should contact me if they're interested in picking up an IRC cloak.17:37
GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Task:maemo.org_IRC_cloaks17:38
JaffaAnother item whilst people are here: visibility of key people's holidays need to be higher on maemo-community17:38
dnearyGeneralAntilles, Does it give me magical powers?17:38
GeneralAntillesdneary, you're already cloaked, so you tell me. :P17:38
GeneralAntilleskarstenb, by the way, public VCS for 3.4?17:38
dnearyJaffa, I understand that - but when I updated http://wiki.maemo.org/Administrator_holidays17:39
VDVsxJaffa, http://wiki.maemo.org/Administrator_holidays17:39
dnearyNiels said "I'm not keep on people knowing I'm going to be away from home all week"17:39
Jaffadneary: A valid point17:39
JaffaAnd one I entirely understand.17:39
karstenbGeneralAntilles: yeah?17:39
dnearyAnd Ferenc went on holiday before I knew he was going (just found out today he's away for the month)17:40
andre__that Administrator_holidays is simply unvisible. who will ever find it?17:40
GeneralAntilleskarstenb, is there one for the stuff you're working on?17:40
dnearyhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Whatlinkshere/Administrator_holidays17:40
Jaffadneary: It's *that* that's the real problem. I don't mind if it's a cabal who knows, but it turns out "we" find out after the fact17:40
VDVsxandre__, is liked in the maemo.org page17:40
GeneralAntilleskarstenb, I want to start poking at templates and the like.17:40
karstenbGeneralAntilles: Not yet. Theoretically trunk, but that better be flamed I'm afraid...17:41
karstenbGeneralAntilles: I'll ping you! :)17:41
GeneralAntilleskarstenb, cool.17:41
dnearywhile I have some of the council17:41
dnearyWho's going to be at FOSDEM?17:41
dnearyAnyone want to tag team for a presentation of the Maemo Community Council?17:42
VDVsxI'm me only one here, I guess17:42
VDVsxI can't go this year :(17:42
w00t(/me grumbles about not being able to go to FOSDEM and returns to quiet attention)17:42
dnearyJaffa/GeneralAntilles, Going to FOSDEM?17:43
GeneralAntillesdneary, why, somebody gonna buy me a plane ticket? ;)17:43
Jaffadneary: Hadn't considered it17:44
* VDVsx points at andre__ and lcuk :D17:44
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andre__I'm at Fosdem.17:47
andre__don't we have a wikipage for that, listing all people?17:47
andre__http://wiki.maemo.org/FOSDEM_2010#Attendees17:47
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jeremiahHi. Just got out of a long meeting. :(17:52
jeremiahDo we have logs somewhere?17:53
GeneralAntillesjeremiah, poke mgedmin.17:54
VDVsxjeremiah, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2010-02-02.log.html17:59
VDVsxI've a new task for you18:00
VDVsxjeremiah, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:rsyncd18:00
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jeremiahThanks gan18:09
jeremiahVDVsx: Okay, I'll check it out and get on it! :)18:09
jeremiahVDVsx: There is nothing there.18:10
VDVsxjeremiah, humm, where ?18:11
jeremiahThe wiki link18:11
VDVsxI can see a small description and a example here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:rsyncd18:12
jebbaWORKSFORME18:12
jeremiahäsch18:12
jeremiahmy browser chopped off the bit after the colon18:13
VDVsxjeremiah, you should stop using IE6, hihihihi18:13
* jeremiah clubs VDVsx with an old AOL cd18:13
VDVsx:D18:14
jeremiah:)18:14
jeremiahSo yeah, I'll set up a rsync server :)18:14
jeremiahI bet that was jebba-jabba who wanted ti18:14
jeremiahit18:14
jebbaya18:14
jebbai have mirrored the repo onto Amazon's S3 cloud, btw.18:15
VDVsxjeremiah, so, you know who to ask for more details, if needed :D18:15
jeremiahw00t18:15
w00t?18:15
jeremiahdoing it now18:15
w00tblargh.18:15
* jeremiah slaps w00t18:16
w00t:P18:16
jeremiahFeeling violent today! :)18:16
jeremiahWho is going to FOSDEM?18:17
jeremiahVDVsx?18:17
jeremiahjebba-jabba is too far away. :P18:17
w00t:(18:17
odin_ah jeremiah are you to guy to see to get a patch into debhelper18:17
jeremiahodin_: No, you want to talk to Joey Hess. :)18:18
jeremiahHe wrote it.18:18
jeremiahAnd maintains it.18:18
VDVsxjeremiah, can't go this year :(18:18
jeremiahaww18:18
odin_well I mean maemo's debhelper (into the SDK), maybe this patch would not be accepted upstream (but can try)18:18
jeremiahodin_: I unfortunately do not have access to the SDK tools. :(18:18
jeremiahSo you'll want to submit the patch to Niels (x-fade), ed bartosh, or perhaps Daniel Wilms.18:19
jebbaodin_: what's the patch?18:19
jeremiahThose guys all are inside the corporate firewall18:19
jeremiahI sit outside it.18:19
jeremiahLike an old peice of . . . poo18:20
GeneralAntillesjeremiah, hey, that makes us poo, too.18:20
jeremiahNah.18:21
odin_http://www.darrylmiles.org/temp/maemo/debhelper-5.0.42.20100131.dlm.diff this is BETA, I have an update to it but it needs real testing by people18:21
jeremiahodin_: What does it do?18:21
jeremiahtl;dr18:21
odin_it addresses the optification issues that still remain with some files still being put into /usr/share/xxx with no way to override18:21
jeremiahoh, that sounds cool and useful18:22
odin_now you can debian/rules: export DH_OPTIONS=--prefix=/usr/local18:22
jeremiahw00t!18:22
jebbaodin_: you mean to fix https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7707  ?18:22
povbotBug 7707: maemo-optify-deb produces recursive symlink for plugins in derivative packages18:22
jeremiah(not you w00t)18:22
* w00t stabs jeremiah in the eyeball. :P18:22
* jeremiah bleeds profusely18:23
odin_my patch does nothing with the "maemo-optify" script, this fixes remainig issues (maemo specific) in the original debhelper tooling18:23
odin_I need to roll a debhelper7 integration and patch too, the v5 is really just for maemo's SDK, but without this patch I'm not going to fix debian/rules or bodge around maemo's optification with the packages I have, so I needs testing, promoting, releasing and the auto-builder updating18:25
odin_its backwardly compatible, if you don't use the DH_OPTIONS=--prefix then the output should be just as before (if it is not, that is a bug!)18:26
odin_but anyhow thanks for confirming jeremiah is not the person to target it at18:27
jeremiahjebba: Are you going to be around to test the rsync daemon?18:28
jeremiahI created the rsync.conf file, do you want to test jebba?18:33
jebbajeremiah: ya sure, what's the URL?18:35
jebbajeremiah: also, you happen to have the various reprepro configs & scripts.  AFAICT they are not on the main server yet, but waiting to be deployed?18:36
jeremiahhmm18:37
jeremiahokay. I'll have to read up on this then18:37
jeremiah[repository.maemo.org] path = /var/www/repository.maemo.org comment = Extras Repositories for Maemo 5 (Fremantle) read only = yes use chroot = yes max connections=256 list = yes uid = nobody gid = rsync dont compress = *.gz *.tgz *.zip *.z *.rpm *.deb *.iso *.bz2 *.tbz18:37
jeremiahsorry18:38
jeremiahrsync -avz repository.maemo.org: .18:38
jeremiah^^ That is what I am using.18:38
jeremiahBut it is asking for authentication18:38
jebbarsync: failed to connect to repository.maemo.org: Connection refused18:38
jebbarsync -vvv rsync://repository.maemo.org/18:39
jeremiahyeah, that is what I'm getting18:39
jebbai mean, is the *hostname* repository? LIke is that the actual box the rsyncd is running on?18:39
jebbaperhaps firewall.  Port 873 it runs on.18:39
jeremiahhmm, could be18:40
jeremiahI'll telnet18:40
jebbaheh18:40
jebbayou can run it as  rsync rsync://localhost    on the box to see if it is up and running18:40
jebba(unless you bound it to a specific ip)18:40
jeremiahI might be able to bind it to a specific ip18:41
jebbaif needbe.18:41
jeremiahrepository.maemo.org is the akamai stuff18:41
jeremiahSo, no go there18:41
jebbaah, ya, so need like  rsync://stage.maemo.org or something18:41
jeremiahyar18:41
jeremiahYeah, when I do it with stage, I think it works18:42
jeremiahhmm18:42
jeremiahI'm betting firewall18:42
jebbaya, most certainly18:42
jebbalike if you can hit it from inside but not outside... plus it's probably blocked by default i would assume.18:43
jebbaotherwise it's not much of a firewall ;)18:43
jeremiahCan't hit it from inside either18:44
jeremiahopening tcp connection to localhost port 87318:44
jeremiahrsync: failed to connect to localhost: Connection refused (111)18:44
jeremiahrsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) [receiver=3.0.3]18:44
jeremiah_exit_cleanup(code=10, file=clientserver.c, line=122): about to call exit(10)18:44
jebba /etc/init.d/rsync restart        see if it's running.  Also check /etc/default/rsync  or similar as it may be disabled by default.18:47
jeremiahBecause rsync is less efficient than HTTP for transferring compressed files, apt-proxy can selectively use rsync for uncompressed Packages and files and HTTP or FTP for .deb files.18:47
jeremiah^^ That is from the rsync web site18:47
jebbacute18:48
jeremiahIt is in /etc/default/rsync18:49
jeremiahAnd disabled18:49
jeremiahRestarted18:50
jeremiahNow going to test18:50
jeremiahtelnet works18:50
jeremiahdaemon listening18:51
jebbaah cool.18:51
jeremiahSo it works locally18:51
jebbaya, now firewall ;)18:51
jeremiahBut we'll have to poke a hole in the firewall18:51
jeremiah:)18:51
jeremiahI will send a request.18:52
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jebbathx  :)19:12
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