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| pere | sicelo: all the talk of having a fully charged battery, how does it apply to a battery that is only holding a few minutes of operation? | 00:27 |
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| sicelo | how long, for example? | 00:32 |
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| pere | what do you mean? how long the battery will hold? I doubt it last more than 5 minutes. | 00:44 |
| sicelo | hmm, that doesn't sound very good. anyway, maybe you can try, and hope for the best :) | 00:52 |
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| pere | want to avoid bricking it before I get a replacement battery. :) | 01:06 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | considering boot consumes a fair bit of battery it may not do that. | 01:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~polarcell | 01:31 |
| infobot | well, polarcell is BL-5J Replacement - Wannasee Electronic on Ebay or http://www.wannsee-electronic.de/handyakkus/nokia/polarcell_hochleistungsakku_fuer_nokia_n900_ersetzt_originalakku__bl-5j_i2_2090_0.htm | 01:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | they are fairly unbrickable software wise you can normally just reflash | 01:33 |
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| pere | ~lazyflashing | 09:13 |
| infobot | from memory, lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 09:13 |
| pere | ~flashing-cmdlin | 09:13 |
| pere | ~flashing-cmdline | 09:14 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing-cmdline is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/ | 09:14 |
| pere | btw, anyone know why ./flash-it-all.sh uses prebuilt binary flasher-3.5 instead of 0xFFFF which is already in Debian? | 09:18 |
| L29Ah | because it was written before 0xFFFF became a thing maybe | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | and because 0xffff didnt support flashing all areas | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 09:20 |
| L29Ah | i remember flashing the official firmware with 0xFFFF w/o problems | 09:20 |
| pere | would have felt a lot safer to not download random binary from the internet and running it as root... | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | you can do it in this case | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | safe source | 09:25 |
| pere | KotCzarny: not really. already from the start it uses a protocol where it is documented that some actors on the internet replace the tcp stream on occation. note http in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz. | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, yeah. keep on paranoiding if you like, im just saying its a safe source | 09:28 |
| * L29Ah inserts a trojan in oscp | 09:30 | |
| KotCzarny | people run androids and ios' spyware yet they go into paranoid mode | 09:30 |
| pere | what is paranoiding about my statement? | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | pere: i'm saying you can safely run things from that site | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | L29Ah: you should have instert trojans into mp3 streams instead | 09:30 |
| pere | your use of 'safely' seem rather strange to me, ignoring documented facts about life. | 09:31 |
| KotCzarny | see? paranoid | 09:31 |
| pere | nope, I do not see it. any sensible web site and user these day use https everywhere, and do not download random prebuilt binaries from the internet using http. | 09:32 |
| L29Ah | if pere is paranoid, i'd like everyone being at least as paranoid as him | 09:32 |
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| KotCzarny | sure, you can put trojaned binaries (or source) on https, it would be so much safer | 09:33 |
| KotCzarny | nowadays all software is a blackbox, no matter if source is available or not (as there are cases where trojan code isnt obvious and triggers on weird set of events) | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | add that to the fact that nokia is no more, and there are no official firmware download sites | 09:35 |
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| pere | KotCzarny: not all software, but perhaps all your software. you might find <URL: https://www.nuug.no/aktiviteter/20180313-reproduible-compiler/ > illuminating as an alterantive approach. | 09:36 |
| KotCzarny | sure, and you can get reproducible builds of trojans too | 09:37 |
| KotCzarny | and mind you, some trojans are just bugs that got in the software for different reasons | 09:38 |
| L29Ah | C just has to go | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | on n900 you are trying to reflash with legacy (old) code that cant support modern network protocols | 09:39 |
| KotCzarny | go to maemo-leste if you want open-sourced version | 09:39 |
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| pere | I tried leste, but was recommended to not use it to flash the internal storage. :) | 09:49 |
| pere | anyway, I am starting to understand the mentality that caused the flash recipe to be the way it is, and suspect it will stay on http and use prebuild binaries until that change. | 09:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Stuff had to be backed up somewhere when nokia pulled the plug there is no "true" source any more. All of the versions you will find are private copied that are not technically suppose to be distributed. | 09:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am should you could modify the script to do what you need. flash it all is just bash after all | 09:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | sure* | 09:53 |
| pere | sure. my observation is about the recommendations provided, which could of course be individuall ignored by the receiver, without affecting the message sent. :) | 09:53 |
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| pere | anyway, is 0xffff now able to replace flasher-3.5 completely, or is there still some functionallity missing? | 09:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | i don't believe it had full functionality | 09:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but had other function that nokia one didn't | 09:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Yep nokia FIASCO images where signed 0xFFFF doesn't support these you have to unpack them with Nokia one first. | 09:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 | 10:02 |
| pere | thanks. | 10:02 |
| pere | btw, on a freshly flashed image, I am unable to install easy-deb-chroot because libxmu6 is unavailable. which repo is this expected to be in? | 10:03 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 10:04 |
| infobot | maemo-repos is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 10:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no idea | 10:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg | 10:04 |
| infobot | pkg is, like, http://maemo.org/packages/ | 10:04 |
| pere | I already got a repo named maemo. perhaps the wrong one? | 10:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | there's a good few repos and mirrors of some of the nokia ones. | 10:05 |
| pere | heh, wiki.maemo.org just give me 403 forbidden. :( | 10:05 |
| pere | maemo.org too. :( | 10:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | tor? | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | do you have dynamic ip? | 10:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | there is a hard blocklist on *.m.o | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | try triggering a change on router | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | or some proxy | 10:07 |
| pere | sixwheeledbeast: yes, tor. | 10:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | most exit node will be in the forum spam list | 10:07 |
| pere | no worries, I get that the site do not want me there. :) | 10:08 |
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| KotCzarny | too much spam probably | 10:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the site is old and maintained voluntarily | 10:08 |
| pere | the repo enabled already is http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free, which I guess lack libxmu6. :( | 10:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nobody really knows how the CMS works either. | 10:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It was just dumped over by nokia | 10:10 |
| pere | could anyone with libxmu6 already installed run 'apt-cache policy libxmu6' and let me know where it came from? | 10:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nokia ssu repos | 10:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you will probably need some mirror to get it | 10:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | does the application manager show errors? | 10:15 |
| pere | yes | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | do you have nokia mirror repo enable? | 10:16 |
| pere | three non-working repos and when trying to install easy-deb-chroot it complain about the missing library. | 10:16 |
| pere | I'm working on replacing the nokia source with a mirror now. | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ etc | 10:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | they need to work, there is warnings which have to be ignored but they need to work. | 10:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~expiredkeys | 10:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hmm | 10:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~expired-key | 10:19 |
| infobot | apt-get update spits out Warnings about Nokia GPG key expired, it's not an Error that should break anything. Ignore it | 10:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | we can't fix it | 10:19 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | also maemo was designed to add packages via the application manager which can be slow, using apt your results may vary. | 10:22 |
| pere | I managed to get easy-deb-chroot installed now. :) | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | congrats | 10:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if it works | 10:35 |
| pere | still downloading images... | 10:45 |
| pere | there a easy-deb-chroot for leste? | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | leste is a debian.. | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | almost | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | so what would be the use? | 10:50 |
| sicelo | Put leste on sd card and boot it from uboot or flasher/0xffff | 11:02 |
| sicelo | easy deb image - i use debian_jessie2sulu_armhf.img which seems to be the latest | 11:04 |
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| pere | KotCzarny: the use case would be to run different versions of debian. | 11:43 |
| sicelo | the problem with easy deb stems from the old kernel in maemo, consequently glibc (or similar). you cannot easily overcome that in chroot | 11:45 |
| pere | oh, I see. :( | 11:48 |
| KotCzarny | but since maemo-leste isnt constrained by old kernel.. | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:49 |
| sicelo | I cab most definitely recommend Leste as long as, for N900 at least, you don't depend on voice calls over cellular | 11:51 |
| sicelo | *can | 11:51 |
| KotCzarny | or if you can script those from command line | 11:51 |
| KotCzarny | as some basic voice is working afair | 11:52 |
| sicelo | one way :-( | 11:52 |
| sicelo | no one (yet) knows exactly how to get audible voice in both directions. | 11:54 |
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| pere | sicelo: too bad the sulu image is so old. debian 6, while latest stable is 10. | 12:04 |
| sicelo | Yeah. All the more reason to focus on Leste :-) | 12:05 |
| pere | sicelo: is there work going on to reverse engineer phone calls for n900? | 12:06 |
| sicelo | the driver is there :-) | 12:06 |
| sicelo | what needs to be reverse engineered (or alternatives found) is sime nokia filtering stuff for the audio (in pulseaudio) | 12:08 |
| sicelo | but the N900 beomg so old itself, the number of skilled people willing/able to put effort into those remaining bits is steadily diminishing :-( | 12:10 |
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| sicelo | *being | 12:10 |
| pere | yeah. guess most of them are left in a drawer somewhere. | 12:14 |
| sicelo | pere: btw, if you have a chance to look at Motorola Droid 4, Leste has it working too, and also with 3D accel. Bonus point - voice calls work :-) | 12:17 |
| pere | If I can just stuff it on my sd card, I am happy to test it. :) | 12:18 |
| pere | is there a way get pipe (|) on the default keyboard? | 12:18 |
| sicelo | you would need to remap the keyboard (which isn't hard) | 12:19 |
| sicelo | otherwise, press the blue key (above shift) and then Ctrl to get a symbols keyboard | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | ~remap | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | ~keyremap | 12:20 |
| infobot | rumour has it, keyremap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | can be useful if you use some chars often | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | i have mapped some often used shell chars that way | 12:20 |
| pere | thanks. | 12:21 |
| pere | ah, finally, I got access using ssh. then I can use a real keyboard. :) | 12:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I edited the xterm bar instead of a remap | 12:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | depends where you plan to use pipe. | 12:26 |
| pere | yeah. I just needed it once to get to a point where I could ssh in. :) | 12:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It is in the third layer by default | 12:31 |
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| pere | so, with a replacement in place on my n900, and a fresh installation of what at least sources.list calls 'beowulf', the battery status after charging it fully and disconnecting from power is 'callibration needed'. what does that mean? | 23:33 |
| pere | replacement battery, I tried to write. | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | ~callibration | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | ~battery-callibration | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | ~ping | 23:34 |
| infobot | ~pong | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | ~callibrate | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | ~calibrate | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | what was the bot bit? | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys battery | 23:34 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'battery' by key (12 of 18): heh, no bottom view. can't tell if the battery #DEL# ;; zaurus battery ;; batterypatch ;; ipaq battery ;; #maemo battery ;; battery damage ;; as battery acid #DEL# ;; flips ibot's battery disconnect switch ;; wmbattery ;; battery life ;; battery pack ;; batterytest. | 23:34 |
| * pere start to wonder why the user information needed to understand the user interface is hidden in a irc bot, and not in the user interface... | 23:34 | |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys calib | 23:34 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'calib' by key (8): bq-calibrate ;; calibratebq27200 #DEL# ;; xcalibrate source ;; bq27k-calibration ;; caliban instant messaging ;; iirc, the xcalibrate ;; xcalibrate ;; anyway, a framebuffer based calibrator. | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | ~bq27k-calibration | 23:35 |
| infobot | rumour has it, bq27k-calibration is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1247595#post1247595 | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | see the link | 23:35 |
| * pere installs ntp to get a correct clock, while contemplating the wisdom of having an internet connected gadget that do not set the time automatically by default. | 23:36 | |
| pere | KotCzarny: thanks. | 23:36 |
| pere | I was greeted with a simple "Sorry, if you aren't a bad bot, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. | 23:37 |
| pere | Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel." | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | just use some other proxy than tor | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | lots of bad people abusing tor | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | which results in 'that's why we cant have nice things' | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, i'm off to bed | 23:39 |
| pere | good night. :) | 23:39 |
| pere | lots of good people using tor. | 23:41 |
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