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| pere | hi. I recently got a used N900 with no SD card. When trying to turn it on, the led light up, but the screen stay black. am I doing it wrong? | 00:02 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | pere: no need for a card to boot, was it suppose to be in working order? | 00:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if you have yellow light it maybe a flat battery | 00:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbatrecover | 00:10 |
| pere | probably, but years since it last was working. likely to have a flat battery, indeed. | 00:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbattrecover | 00:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hmm | 00:10 |
| pere | yellow blinking light | 00:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no bot | 00:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | leave it on charge for a while and it may boot up on it's own | 00:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | preferably the nokia charger it comes with | 00:11 |
| pere | only have a third party usb cable. | 00:12 |
| pere | will it refuse to boot when plugged into power? | 00:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | possibly | 00:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but if it's a flat battery it normally boots itself when on charge | 00:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | and there is enough juice to boot | 00:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | as long as rootfs is ok | 00:15 |
| pere | 0xFFFF -I identified it as N900, which I suspect is a good sign, but do not know how good. :) | 00:15 |
| pere | I was hoping to bring it back to life, but if I first need to get a replacement battery, it will take a while. no nearby source of new batteries. :) | 00:19 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | try charging it for a while first | 00:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | third party charger may take longer. | 00:22 |
| pere | it has been charged for a while before I got it. will leave it plugged in over night. :) | 00:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbatrecover | 00:26 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) | 00:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~bootloop | 00:26 |
| infobot | bootloop is probably when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. | 00:26 |
| pere | what if I do not have a nokia wallcharger? | 00:29 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I suppose you have to take your chances, a charger would be better than say a usb port with data like a pc | 00:35 |
| pere | after disconnecting the battery, inserting it and inserting the usb plug, I first got a weak nokia logo, then the screen lighted up and gave me some dots, then it went black. the led is blinking. | 00:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | possible bootloop then? | 00:38 |
| pere | could be. expected some looping, then, not just black... | 00:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | even when the screen is off the device maybe powered "actdead" | 00:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~bootprocess | 00:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | five dots is trying to boot anyway, so I would say it's either broken rootfs or exhausted battery | 00:43 |
| akossh | The nokia charger had a connection from D+ or D- to GND or VCC, I do not remember, probably one of them to GND | 00:47 |
| akossh | So the charger does not communicate, the phone knows that it is connected to a charger if it detects this "short" | 00:48 |
| akossh | If you have a third party charger and a cable with this "short", it can work | 00:49 |
| sicelo | D+ shorted to D- (not GND/VCC) | 00:49 |
| akossh | sicelo: thanks | 00:50 |
| akossh | If this short is missing, the phone will not take as mutch power from the USB socket, and it can not recover from a flat battery | 00:52 |
| akossh | Connecting to a USB port via a normal USB cable, my N900 does the following (in case of a flat battery): charges a little, tries to boot, runs flat and resets, then this repeats | 00:56 |
| akossh | however, using a third party charger with a "powerbank cable" works fine | 00:57 |
| akossh | It boots up successfully for the first or second try. | 00:57 |
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| pere | moving to a usb charger instead of a pc usb port, got the boot going. :) | 01:08 |
| sicelo | :) | 01:10 |
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| pere | is there a 'factory reset' option? would like to get rid of all the trases of the previous owner. | 02:19 |
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| sicelo | reflashing is the surest way | 02:34 |
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| sicelo | ~reflash | 23:18 |
| infobot | well, reflash is zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR updater.sh, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models) | 23:18 |
| sicelo | mm | 23:18 |
| sicelo | ~flash | 23:19 |
| infobot | i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 23:19 |
| sicelo | pere: ^^ | 23:19 |
| pere | I'll study these and see if I can figure it out. thank you. :) | 23:30 |
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