| sixwheeledbeast | A HDD is designed to be spinning most of the time they can also spin down if required. Also the data loss on powered down SSD is related to storage temperature too. | 00:11 |
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| brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast: The HDD has to always be spinning because I need the non-volatile memory of the computer to always be accessible. If an HDD is always running then it will fail, maybe like this: | 08:58 |
| brolin_empey | http://brolin.be/graphics/20191206_215725_HDD_dying_after_running_almost_continuously_for_8_years.mp4 | 08:58 |
| Maxdamantus | If you're just looking for storage, the harddrives will still very likely be cheaper. | 09:32 |
| Maxdamantus | Just buy two of them for reliability. | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | hdds are also way better for long time storage | 09:33 |
| Maxdamantus | HDDs seem to be around NZ$50 per TB while HDDs seem to be around NZ$200 per TB. | 09:35 |
| Maxdamantus | er | 09:36 |
| Maxdamantus | HDDs seem to be around NZ$50 per TB while SSDs seem to be around NZ$200 per TB. | 09:36 |
| brolin_empey | I stopped buying HDDs but I stopped buying larger than 2.5-inch HDDs before I stopped buying HDDs completely. | 09:37 |
| brolin_empey | I have some 3.5-inch HDDs that still work but are useless because I use devices that can only use 2.5-inch or smaller drives. | 09:39 |
| Maxdamantus | Like laptops? | 09:40 |
| Maxdamantus | I wouldn't bother putting anything other than an SSD in a laptop nowadays. | 09:40 |
| Maxdamantus | Last I checked, capacity of 2.5" HDDs was also fairly limited anyway. | 09:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 2.5 have a much higher failure rate, also in portable devices you more likely to lose data from damage moving stuff around. You also have SMR issue | 09:42 |
| KotCzarny | limited? i have 2tb ssd in my lappy | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | as a storage drive | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | because tlc and stuff, but still | 09:45 |
| Maxdamantus | HDD size is limited. There aren't many 2.5" HDDs bigger than 2 TB. | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | there will be | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | 96layers 3d nands are coming | 09:46 |
| Maxdamantus | *HDD* | 09:46 |
| Maxdamantus | Not SSD. | 09:46 |
| sunshavi | Space | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | still, flash will die much faster than magnetic spindles | 09:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | also things like HAMR | 09:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | from a risk of failure POV I would archive with spinning and use SSD in portables myself. | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | silicon rots | 09:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | You can easily knock your laptop and when you have a little damage in there you can start to loose blocks from the bits moving about. | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | 2.5" 4tb 5400rpm seagate is ~200usd | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | 5 platters inside 2.5", madness, hehe | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | but it's quite green driver, only ~2W of active power | 09:53 |
| KotCzarny | and ~0.85-1.3W idle | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | cant find which *MR it's using | 09:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: buy a STDR4000100 and rip the case off + half price. | 10:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/+/=/ | 10:06 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: KotCzarny: buy a STDR4000100 and rip the case off = half price. | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | well it was a price for ST4000LM024 | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | and i strongly suspect much inferior writing technology | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | also, some usb attached drives dont have sata connector inside | 10:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | https://www.servethehome.com/seagate-4tb-2-5-sata-hdd-124-get-ready-density/ | 10:10 |
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| KotCzarny | that's good | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | erm, wrong chan | 10:25 |
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