IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2020-01-15

badcloud_Pretty sure it will give me the same error when I try to install thumb00:00
badcloud_It worked for you guys?00:01
KotCzarnyit was long time ago00:01
sicelosame here ... long time :)00:02
siceloand i won't reflash - bandwidth issues00:02
badcloud_I see00:03
badcloud_Are the updates dating up until 2017 only for thumb?00:04
KotCzarnytesting might be newer than thumb00:05
siceloyes, it is00:05
siceloanyway, Maemo Fremantle has been frozen for a long time now. No one is (actively) working on CSSU anymore.00:06
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badcloud_Yeah, I know. I can't wait til Leste has UI call support. You guys are doing god's work00:06
badcloud_So what would be the route for switching to thumb, deleting testing's repos and then loading the install file?00:09
sicelono need to delete testing. just go with the install file.00:10
sicelothumb IS a version of testing :)00:10
siceloanyway, here's my .list for comparison -
siceloyou don't need the -devel and -sdk ones of course00:13
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badcloud_Hmmm, screen went blank...00:22
badcloud_ssh session froze00:23
badcloud_Testing installation conked00:50
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badcloud_I tried making a desktop file for osso-xterm which would run bash. "Exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm -e bash" didn't work, even though running that command from osso-xterm brings up a new window with bash16:16
badcloud_Is there any way to have a hildon menu entry which launches osso-xterm with bash?16:17
badcloud_Instead of ash16:18
badcloud_I don't want to change default shell in /etc/passwd16:18
badcloud_Just have a separate entry in hildon16:18
KotCzarnymake a script?16:19
badcloud_Sure, why not16:21
badcloud_It seems to work only when running the script within an existing osso-xterm window16:39
badcloud_I tried /usr/bin/maemo-summoner /usr/bin/osso-xterm.launch -e bash16:40
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bencohbadcloud_: try adding Terminal=true17:00
badcloud_Nope, it just quits after opening an osso-xterm window, thinking a lot (spinning animation) and then quitting17:04
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badcloud_Why's it gotta be so convoluted, Nokia??17:15
* badcloud_ shakes fists at the air17:15
KotCzarnyi think its not nokia, that whole app bussiness was earlier17:16
halftuxbadcloud_: try this Exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm 'bash'17:19
KotCzarnyshouldnt it be full path?17:20
KotCzarnyie. /usr/bin/bash or whatever?17:20
KotCzarnysince bash is not officially installed, check where it is17:20
halftuxcould be that a full path is needed, but remove the -e and put it in inverted commas17:22
badcloud_which bash gave me /bin/bash17:25
badcloud_I tried inverted commas17:25
badcloud_How is leste in this regard, easier to customize?17:26
halftuxwhich bash version you have installed?17:27
badcloud_Bear in mind that when I run any variant of the Exec value in an existing xterm window, works fine17:28
badcloud_osso-xterm -e bash works17:29
badcloud_osso-xterm bash does too17:29
badcloud_So does '/usr/bin/maemo-summoner /usr/bin/osso-xterm.launch  -e bash'17:30
badcloud_It's only from the hildon menu that things go south17:30
KotCzarnyfull path?17:30
badcloud_Exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm -e `/bin/bash/` was my last attempt17:33
badcloud_using inverted commas17:33
KotCzarny /bin/bash ?17:33
KotCzarnyand drop backticks17:33
badcloud_Yes, /bin/bash is where bash is17:34
badcloud_Still nothing17:34
badcloud_Please tell me that leste is easier to configure17:37
KotCzarnyi strongly suspect what are you trying to achieve is doable, just some stupid typo somewhere17:37
badcloud_I'll post my .desktop file later when I get a chance17:38
badcloud_Ciao for now17:39
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halftuxPali: Hello Pali I have a question regarding 0xFFFF and the dump fiasco option. First I getting initfs_tmp is empty, removing it. And later Error: Cannot open image file initfs_tmp: No such file. However I get a fiasco file is it save to flash it? Can I ignore this message?18:37
Palican you please post full log?18:38
halftuxis there a log option or should I redirect the output to > log.txt18:39
Palior post output from terminal18:39
halftuxok I will do it later still at work18:50
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badcloud_^ the osso-xterm bash desktop file19:03
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halftuxbadcloud_: it is a bit tricky with bash but it works20:08
halftuxmake sure in desktop file there is no line X-Osso-Service=xterm20:09
halftuxExec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm '/opt/'20:10
halftuxbash script: #!/bin/sh [newline] sleep 2 [newline] /usr/bin/osso-xterm '/bin/bash' [newline] return20:13
halftuxthats it20:14
badcloud_Wow, bravo20:17
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badcloud_Thanks :)20:18
halftuxgoing offline will be back later if you still facing a problem with it20:20
KotCzarnyyou exec osso-xterm twice20:20
halftuxyes and with return I close the first one20:20
KotCzarnywhy not just make it /bin/sh /yourscript ?20:20
KotCzarnyanyway, as long it works..20:22
halftuxlol yeah should also work thinking to complicated sometimes20:22
halftuxcya later20:23
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, not exactly news20:59
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DocScrutinizer05badcloud_: >>Terminal=false<< HMMM??21:01
badcloud_I tried it with true as well21:02
badcloud_halftux's script did the trick though21:02
DocScrutinizer05this works for a script for me
DocScrutinizer05not bash though21:12
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if bash is special21:12
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DocScrutinizer05could you try echo "/bin/bash" >>/etc/shells; ?21:38
DocScrutinizer05sorry when I'm a tad lazy trying that on my own phone21:39
DocScrutinizer05since I already got this and possibly other mods already21:40
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DocScrutinizer05changing login shell on etc/passwd is strongly deprecated, it may result in system boot failure21:41
DocScrutinizer05thanks to subtle differences between bash and messybox which are relied upon in startup scripts21:42
DocScrutinizer05man 5 shells  >>/etc/shells is a text file which contains the full pathnames of valid login shells<<21:45
DocScrutinizer05good question if starting an xterm would invoke a *login* shell21:46
DocScrutinizer05though  >>Be  aware  that  there are programs which consult this file to find out if a user is a normal user; for example, FTP daemons traditionally disallow access to users with shells not included in this file.<<21:48
DocScrutinizer05your description of what works and what doesn't sounds much like a specific login shell problem21:49
MaxdamantusI just have my shell set to /bin/bash .. should be able to do something like `chsh -s /bin/bash`21:53
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DocScrutinizer05>>On OSX, by default, the Terminal application runs a login shell. (As I explain, the program that starts the shell decides whether the shell acts as a login shell.) That's not the normal way to do things. <<
MaxdamantusI think that's talking about a different meaning of "login shell". It's talking there about whether or not it passes `-l` to the shell.22:02
MaxdamantusI think reading /etc/passwd to figure out what shell to use is a fairly standard behaviour for terminals. urxvt does it.22:03
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MaxdamantusA regular xterm (not osso) does it too.22:04
halftuxin principle no script is needed checked again the mistacke was only this line in the desktop file X-Osso-Service=xterm22:05
halftuxbadcloud_: only removing X-Osso-Service=xterm will solve the issue no other steps are needed22:07
DocScrutinizer05though   man xterm >>-ls     This option indicates that the shell that is started in the xterm window will be a login shell (i.e., the first character of argv[0] will be a dash, indicating to the shell that it should read the user's .login or .profile).<< // man 5 shells  >>/etc/shells is a text file which contains the full pathnames of valid login shells<<22:07
DocScrutinizer05X-Osso-Service=xterm  means: "send a dbus-msg to either start (if no instance is running) or bring to front and focus an already running instance of xterm" AFAIK22:08
DocScrutinizer05obviously you need a different name for an xterm with different behavior than the one defined in dbus config22:10
badcloud_Fixed the desktop file22:12
KotCzarnysee? i knew it was something trivial22:15
* DocScrutinizer05 still wonders if osso-xterm checks /etc/shells22:16
KotCzarnyosso-xterm runs user's shell then a command inside that shell22:16
MaxdamantusMy N900 doesn't have an /etc/shells file22:17
DocScrutinizer05this is an answer to my question?22:17
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DocScrutinizer05also doesn't seem correct22:18
MaxdamantusI think /etc/shells is just something used by `chsh`, not the terminal/login mechanism.22:18
DocScrutinizer05 xterm [-toolkitoption ...] [-option ...] [shell]22:18
Maxdamantusthat is, it should prevent people from putting non-standard shells into their line in /etc/passwd22:18
Maxdamantusbut obviously root can just edit the /etc/passwd file directly to avoid that limitation.22:19
DocScrutinizer05quite possibly osso-xterm is a simplified generic xterm, it still may accept commands to run *instead* of shell rather than *in* shell22:20
Maxdamantusman chsh >> The only restriction placed on the login shell is that the command name must be listed in /etc/shells, unless the invoker is the superuser, and then any value may be added.22:20
halftuxlooks ugly23:45

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