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| brolin_empey | Heh, I just accidentally discovered that the Web version of Google Calendar allows moving between months by rolling the mouse wheel. I have been using Google Calendar for years and never knew it had this feature until now. | 09:05 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: So, which model of ZenFone are you using? | 11:12 |
| brolin_empey | Does Maemo have something like Camscanner or Scanbot for Android? I have been using document scanner applications instead of a normal camera application a lot since I discovered document scanner applications. | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | asus_x007d | 11:14 |
| brolin_empey | https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-Go-ZB552KL/specifications/ | 11:23 |
| brolin_empey | This one? It is ARM with a difficult to remove battery. | 11:23 |
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| sicelo | what do those apps do, brolin_empey | 14:38 |
| brolin_empey | sicelo: They are meant to replace a dedicated image scanner for common usage. If you want a digital photograph of something tangible and flat such as a piece of paper or a plastic card, you use the application to photograph the subject against a contrasting background (my desktop with a woodgrain texture at my office seems to suffice even though it is not a plain, uniform colour and even the transparent glass table I use at home may suffice too, I do not | 14:46 |
| brolin_empey | remember if it does and I am not currently at home), then the application automatically crops the subject, straightens and rotates the image, and applies a filter to brighten the image inclusive-or to improve the contrast of the image. You can manually adjust the selection for cropping and rotate the image if necessary and choose which, if any, filter to apply. | 14:46 |
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| sicelo | jfrontview900 on Maemo does that, although i think its feature set is not as extensive as what you just described | 14:50 |
| sicelo | s/jf/f/ | 14:51 |
| infobot | sicelo meant: frontview900 on Maemo does that, although i think its feature set is not as extensive as what you just described | 14:51 |
| brolin_empey | sicelo: Right, I think I may have seen that type of application for Maemo but never tried that type of application for Maemo. | 14:54 |
| bencoh | ah right, that one is non-free :( | 14:54 |
| brolin_empey | bencoh: Does that matter in practice? I have used some open-source software such as the Apache HTTP Server for at least 1.5 decades by now yet cannot remember ever needing to read the source code. | 14:57 |
| brolin_empey | That said, in this case part of the reason why I do not need to read the source code is because the Apache HTTP Server is well documented. Sometimes I have had to read the source code of software I use because the documentation did not answer my question. | 14:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I think i used frontview900 recently pretty impressed | 14:59 |
| brolin_empey | Apparently Windows NT 4.0 can be built from the source codebase that was publicly leaked in 2004. I wonder if this means it is technically possible and maybe even feasible to build a version of NT 4 that runs as the host OS on the Apple Power Macintosh platform. Windows NT 4 for PowerPC as publicly released by Microsoft is for only the PowerPC Reference Platform (PReP), not the PowerMac platform, although reportedly Apple and Microsoft discussed the | 15:11 |
| brolin_empey | possibility of Microsoft supporting the PowerMac platform in Windows NT. Yes, I realise that Windows NT for PowerPC has significant usability limitations in practice due to much software for Windows being closed-source and not released for non-x86 architectures but this is something to be done because it can be done, not because it is often useful in practice, like me installing a 5.25-inch High-density flexible disc drive in my Core 2 Quad tower computer | 15:11 |
| brolin_empey | or using XF86_mono with an ET1000 model of 8-bit ISA video card from the 1980s as the only video controller in a Pentium III tower computer. | 15:11 |
| brolin_empey | Or using my dot-matrix impact printer with parallel interface from the 1980s on Windows 10 for x86-64 on my home computer. | 15:13 |
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| brolin_empey | Is Apple the only brand of PowerPC notebook computer produced? | 15:25 |
| brolin_empey | No, IBM released at least one PowerPC ThinkPad model in around 1995. | 15:26 |
| KotCzarny | 10:24 #maemo brolin_empey> This one? It is ARM with a difficult to remove battery. | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | only if you are completely 2 left handed | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | 6 screws and back panel | 15:27 |
| brolin_empey | I already discussed that in this channel years (?) ago. KotCzarny apparently did not know that a PowerPC ThinkPad existed until I mentioned it. | 15:28 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: It is difficult to remove if you do not have the required screw driver and working space when you need to remove the battery. The battery on, for example, a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 or LG G5 can be easily and quickly removed with only hands and fingers, no tool required. | 15:31 |
| brolin_empey | or on a Nokia N900 for that matter. | 15:32 |
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| Maxdamantus | My guess is that it would be easier to port Wine to PPC than to port Windows NT. | 15:35 |
| Maxdamantus | unless the NT codebase was already developed in such a way to make the architecture fairly generic. | 15:36 |
| Maxdamantus | oh, you said it was already released for PPC. | 15:36 |
| brolin_empey | Also, if disassembling this ZenFone model is like disassembling the Nokia N900 or some other devices, disassembling it in my office or residence with a carpeted floor means that at least one of the tiny screws falls off of the desktop/tabletop and is literally never found because it is practically impossible to find on the carpeted floor. | 15:38 |
| bencoh | nowadays people would just compile wine for x86 and run it using qemu-user-ppc anyway | 15:40 |
| brolin_empey | Maxdamantus: Yes, Windows NT 4 for PowerPC shipped but only for the PowerPC Reference Platform (PReP), not the PowerMac platform. | 15:40 |
| brolin_empey | And, also as already discussed in this channel months or years ago, it seems that the feature phone world may have never switched to “difficult to remove”/“non-removable”/“requiring more than hands and fingers to remove” batteries. | 15:47 |
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| brolin_empey | Unless a feature phone is designed to be so low cost that the battery is soldered instead of using a connector, which I think I saw done on a very low cost feature phone from Asia. | 15:49 |
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| brolin_empey | bencoh: What specifically is qemu-user-ppc? I know what qemu is but can find few mentions of qemu-user-ppc on the Internet. | 16:19 |
| bencoh | qemu-user allows running foreign arch userspace binaries by emulating cpu while still making use of host kernel for syscalls and such | 16:21 |
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| brolin_empey | bencoh: OK, so what did you mean in your previous comment? Using GNU+Linux for PowerPC to run Wine for x86 to effectively run a Windows application built for x86 on a PowerPC computer running GNU+Linux? | 16:31 |
| brolin_empey | Reportedly Wine needs support from the kernel too so I do not know if you can use Wine on a non-x86 platform if the kernel is not x86? | 16:33 |
| bencoh | brolin_empey: you can run x86 wine on non-x86 platforms using qemu-user | 16:34 |
| bencoh | (oh, and, that'd actually be qemu-user-x86 in that usecase) | 16:34 |
| brolin_empey | Other than using winelib to build a Windows application from source for ARM using the GNU development tools so that a Windows application can run using winelib on ARM Linux but I have still never tried that. | 16:36 |
| brolin_empey | bencoh: Does that work for running Windows applications built for x86 on Android for ARM even if you have to run a GNU userland/userspace and possibly an X server on top of Android? | 16:38 |
| bencoh | brolin_empey: https://www.maketecheasier.com/run-windows-apps-android-with-wine/ https://wiki.winehq.org/ARM | 16:40 |
| brolin_empey | Yes, I realise that I could use an x86 Android handheld computer such as the Asus ZenFone 2 from 2015 but I dislike the hardware design that requires more than hands and fingers to remove the battery. | 16:40 |
| bencoh | I wouldn't want to use windows app on a phone tbh, but that's your call | 16:41 |
| brolin_empey | I would rather use an x86 smartphone than use an N900 as a smartphone. | 16:49 |
| bencoh | your call :) | 16:54 |
| brolin_empey | Whilst I still used an N900, I missed many voice calls because of the N900. | 16:56 |
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