IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2019-02-10

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MaxdamantusMm .. lots of read errors on that SD card now.00:57
* Maxdamantus is doing a ddrescue over the network.00:58
* Maxdamantus needs to figure out how to get the SD reader on his Thinkpad x240 to work sometime so he doesn't have to use his Aspire One, which has a faulty screen connection.00:59
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Vajbhow much I need to open the device if I clean antenna contacts?02:03
DocScrutinizer05many of you might have missed: [9 Feb 2019 22:48:54] [wallops] Users of mIRC are urged to update their client to the latest version (v7.55) as versions previous are affected by a Remote Code Execution vulnerability. Any users found abusing this vulnerability will face a network ban. For more information see (as of now unreleased) CVE-2019-6453 and https://www.mirc.com/news.html02:11
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brolin_empeyMaxdamantus: Can you use an external SD card reader/writer?  Or use one on a PC Card or ExpressCard or similar if you want one connected via PCI instead of via USB?05:14
Maxdamantusbrolin_empey: my main computer's case has an integrated SD card reader alongside other USB ports that are plugged into one of the header, but it doesn't seem to handle errors very well.05:15
Maxdamantusbrolin_empey: it just exposes the card as a USB mass storage device, and it seems to consider a read error the same as taking the card out.05:16
MaxdamantusI'm not going to bother getting a PCI SD card reader just for rare cases like this.05:18
MaxdamantusWonder if actual SDIO over USB is a thing.05:19
brolin_empeyIf you have the right type of PCI or PCI Express slot on a desktop motherboard, you can try using a PCI card that can accept a PC Card or an ExpressCard with an SD card reader/writer so you can try using an SD card reader/writer connected directly via PCI instead of indirectly connected via USB.05:19
MaxdamantusThere's this .. dunno if anyone's made an actual end-user product though: http://www.saelig.com/pr/vub300.html05:24
Maxdamantus"4bit SDIO"05:25
brolin_empey“USB bus”, heh.  QFN ICs have a reputation of causing soldering problems in production.05:35
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KotCzarnymaxd: the old one or new evo?08:43
DocScrutinizer05>>a PC Card or ExpressCard or similar if you want one connected via PCI instead of via USB?<< funny enough those are very likely aöso using the simple USB on the card bus08:58
DocScrutinizer05:-D08:59
MaxdamantusKotCzarny: old one.09:16
Maxdamantus(SanDisk)09:17
Maxdamantus(not that it has anything to do with the brand; it's just a card that's been used for a few years)09:17
* Maxdamantus wonders if SD cards tend to have some sort of mechanism to get information about write cycles from them.09:19
Maxdamantuson SSDs you can normally find that information in SMART:09:20
Maxdamantus241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       2635044815909:20
KotCzarnymaxd: they do, but most likely they have shitty wear levelling algo09:31
KotCzarnyand normal fs rips it with metadata writes mostly09:31
KotCzarnywearing out few particular 4MB areas09:32
MaxdamantusKotCzarny: I meant I wonder if that information is exposed.09:33
KotCzarnyunlikely09:33
MaxdamantusI know it does wear levelling, otherwise it would be a major misuse of flash storage.09:33
KotCzarnystill, most likely would be beneficial to use fs which has dynamic metadata areas09:34
KotCzarnykind of ubifs for big disks09:34
Maxdamantusor basically any CoW filesystem, like btrfs.09:38
MaxdamantusThat should normally only write to the superblocks repeatedly afaik (and that only happens every 30 seconds)09:39
KotCzarnyhow btrfs handles metadata?09:39
KotCzarnybecause its not the data being the problem09:39
MaxdamantusThe same way it handles all data. It writes it to a new location and eventually that location will be referred to by the superblock.09:39
KotCzarnymaybe i should move my sdcards to btrfs ho hum09:40
MaxdamantusI will almost certainly use btrfs on N900 when I upgrade the kernel.09:41
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* Maxdamantus reckons flash-based filesystems will eventually be mainstream anyway.10:04
MaxdamantusIt's obviously more efficient to just do wear levelling in the filesystem, instead of having something that uses wear levelling to emulate a block device.10:05
MaxdamantusProbably mostly makes sense after getting rid of partitions too.10:12
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KotCzarnydepends on target device10:28
KotCzarnyand usage pattern10:28
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WikiwideYes, that's a good question, Enrico_M_RX-51: It remains duckduckgo, instead of whatever search engine is chosen.12:27
Enrico_MenottiWikiwide Bug?12:41
Enrico_MenottiGiven all these problems with browsers on Maemo, I wonder whether it makes more sense to try improving one of these or to try completing the fundamentals of Maemo Leste (I'm thinking about modem mainly) and then using modern browsers over that.12:43
Enrico_MenottiOr to buy a modern smartphone, yes, but I hate those big flat things without any key, where you do continuous mistakes in typing and phone calls are very uncomfortable.12:46
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WikiwideI agree, phablets are an annoying fashion trend.13:13
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WikiwideEnrico_Menotti: Since QML is easy to edit ;-)  I am trying to debug why is doesn't parse its own searchengines settings13:20
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Enrico_MenottiWikiwide Thanks. If you step upon the reason why the "c" is swapped with the "C", and why rotation does not work, that's also of interest to me. Just if you happen to find it.13:22
WikiwideAccording to QML, search from input field always defaults to 0, aka first search engine in the list. Now, how to change that...13:26
Enrico_MenottiWikiwide There's more, seems to me. I edited the search engine configuration file, putting Google in first position, then DuckDuckGo and at the end Wikipedia. The search engine list in the QML GUI settings has changed, but it lists DuckDuckGo as first choice exactly as before. Wikipedia and Google have switched positions:15:25
Enrico_MenottiIf I put (in the file) 1. DuckDuckGo 2. Wikipedia 3. Google I find (in the GUI) 1. DuckDuckGo 2. Wikipedia 3. Google15:25
Enrico_MenottiIf I put (in the file) 1. Google 2. DuckDuckGo 3. Wikipedia I fine (in the GUI) 1. DuckDuckGo 2. Google 3. Wikipedia15:26
Enrico_MenottiAnd the search engine queried from the address bar is ALWAYS DuckDuckGo.15:27
Enrico_Menotti(Qua qua.)15:27
Enrico_Menotti:)15:27
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VajbEnrico_Menotti: I circled that search engine problem by putting them in "start page".19:26
Enrico_M_RX-51Vajb Good workaround!19:42
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