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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Writing on a road/path/sidewalk/… can be considered a non-paged book? | 06:35 |
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| Oksana | Motorised miniaturised Torah scrolls?.. Would require a very flexible and durable screen for displaying e-books. And it's paginated, still, even in scroll form ;-) | 14:02 |
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| Oksana | Book of Esther and Joshua Roll are paginated as well?.. Vertical, non-paginated rolls are more likely to be used for shorter documents?.. | 14:04 |
| Oksana | Shorter or longer, doesn't matter for computer display. Still, it would have to be a very flexible durable display... | 14:05 |
| KotCzarny | it's mixing up tech | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | you can scroll data on eink | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | (slower or faster but still) | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | no need to physically move anything if you have electronic display | 14:06 |
| Oksana | Question is, if dislay is a fixed rectangle, then it's intuitive for it to be paginated, if only because scrolling non-paginated text on e-ink display is going to be laggy. | 14:08 |
| KotCzarny | currently eink is quite speedy | 14:08 |
| Oksana | If display is a roll, then human can scroll down the non-paginated text physically, while the part of display hidden from user updates itself. | 14:09 |
| buZz | as long as it isnt a >1 color display ;) | 14:09 |
| buZz | those 2 color einks take -forever- to refresh | 14:09 |
| KotCzarny | buzz, i'm not talking about any specific tech, but generic idea of fixed medium vs dynamic display | 14:10 |
| Oksana | And I cannot wait for full-colour e-ink displays... Too impatient. | 14:10 |
| buZz | ah ok, dont call it eink then ;) | 14:10 |
| KotCzarny | oksana: they are here already | 14:10 |
| KotCzarny | just far from perfect | 14:10 |
| * KotCzarny already used mirasol for quite few years | 14:11 | |
| Oksana | Yes, I am mixing things up. Like, scrolling physically a digital display. | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | it even plays youtube @10fps | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | unfortunatelly red is a bit washed out, and android/soc sucks a lot of battery anyway | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | readability in full sun is good tho | 14:12 |
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| Oksana | Yes, readability in full sun is good for e-ink. And for amoled, but that's power-hungry? | 14:19 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 14:19 |
| Oksana | But amoled looks far better than e-ink? Colourful, contrastful... | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | same for ips | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | also, lcd(amoled, ips, tn) is more stressfull to the eyes | 14:21 |
| Oksana | power-hungry as well ^ | 14:21 |
| KotCzarny | for books and longer reading last argument is important | 14:21 |
| Oksana | Any scientific links on studies that show that? Because I understand theory, but I would like empirical evidence as well | 14:22 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise headache, eyestrain can occur | 14:22 |
| KotCzarny | yes. been there, done that, had eye/headaches. | 14:22 |
| Oksana | And office workers all use LCD/whatever computer monitors, no e-ink computer monitors ;-) | 14:23 |
| KotCzarny | as for retina burnout, any ultraviolet light study should suffice | 14:23 |
| * Oksana should get sunglasses/computerGlasses, UV is strong here | 14:23 | |
| KotCzarny | with reflected light (which is usually sun filtered through atmosphere) it's natural for us | 14:24 |
| KotCzarny | remember that uv can also enter eye sideways and make your eye more foggy | 14:24 |
| Oksana | Australia's UV is stronger than elsewhere, if only because of ozone hole? | 14:24 |
| KotCzarny | more sun probably in general | 14:25 |
| KotCzarny | fewer cloud/humidity | 14:25 |
| Oksana | And I want glasses that cover all angles, like some sunglasses do - so that my eyes do not see anything outside frames | 14:25 |
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| Oksana | Let's hope the computer is still switched on and accessible tomorrow. Because I am transferring IceChat logs out of it. | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki ozone_hole | 14:31 |
| infobot | At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_hole (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{short description|Stratospheric phenomena of Earth}} {{Use mdy dates|date=May 2016}} {{Use American English|date=May 2016}} {{Other uses|Depletion (disambiguation)}} ozone hole ever recorded over the South Pole in September 2006]] {{external media | width = 210px | align = right | headerimage= | audio1 = ... | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly lost relevance? | 14:36 |
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