IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2018-10-26

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brolin_empeyCarrying a notebook computer and its external power supply feels like carrying a brick compared to carrying a smartphone/phablet.00:43
brolin_empeySame for carrying a 3.5-inch HDD compared to a 2.5-inch HDD or SSD.00:45
brolin_empeyDid the flexible disc begin as IBM magnetic tape technology put on a circular disc?00:47
buZzprobably00:49
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DocScrutinizer05check out Samsung Note9 DeX. Awesome (well sort of, if only there were standard apps for it)01:09
DocScrutinizer05anyway turns your smartphone into a micro-"brick" aka "laptop"01:10
sixwheeledbeastubuntu-mate has gpd pocket builds01:16
siceloso my main N900 lost the magnet for back cover, and sd cards not detected anymore.01:17
siceloin fact, not lost, but somehow rusted, turned to powder01:17
sixwheeledbeast~fixmagnet01:18
sixwheeledbeast~ping01:18
infobot~pong01:18
sixwheeledbeast~toast01:18
infobotwell, toast is a foreign substance entered through one of the bodys many holes that can be used as an energy source. A man once said that toast is great with marmite - but you either love it or you hate it, personally i prefer cheese on my toast, red leicester cheese...... my mouth be watering.......01:18
sicelois there suck factoid?01:18
sicelo*such01:18
sixwheeledbeast~listkeys fix01:18
infobotFactoid search of 'fix' by key (15 of 107): /var/lib/dpkg/availble fix ;; aad kde crash fix ;; affix ;; aucfix41 ;; can/ we/ fix/ it/ ;; creative fix ;; creativefix ;; cvs fix ;; dos loadfix ;; fix for prboom for c7x0 ;; fixed ;; fixed sid ssh packages ;; fixing the checks in mtdpart.c ;; gdm fix ;; go fix yourself.01:18
sicelo~listkeys magnet01:19
infobotFactoid search of 'magnet' by key (4): security magnetic remanence ;; força eletromagnetica ;; magnet ;; captainmagneto.01:19
sixwheeledbeasthmm maybe there isn't one01:19
siceloanyway, i am just wondering how the magnet should be inserted. e.g. which direction do the poles faces01:19
buZzsicelo: oh eh, i think i can measure that if i brought my compass here01:32
buZzi did!01:33
buZznow where is one of my n900s01:33
sixwheeledbeastwhile true; do cat /sys/devices/platform/mmci-omap-hs.0/mmc_host\:mmc0/cover_switch; done01:35
buZzgood point, could just measure01:36
sixwheeledbeastI need to add that to my list01:36
sixwheeledbeast~beasttweaks01:36
infobotbeasttweaks is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts01:36
buZzhmm, bit vague, seems the north pole is pointing to the right-side of the n900 , with the backlid towards you01:38
buZzoh, no01:38
buZznorth is pointing outward from camera, south inward01:39
sixwheeledbeast~botsnack01:40
infobot:), sixwheeledbeast01:40
sixwheeledbeastdamn my device is being slow.01:43
sixwheeledbeastuptime 14 days and it's still indexing my music.01:43
sixwheeledbeastdamn you tracker01:43
brolin_empey“damn my device is being slow.”02:16
brolin_empeyI thought that is normal for the N900. :-P02:16
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: The Galaxy Note 5 and later have a difficult to remove battery, which sucks.  The Galaxy Note 4 is theoretically an upgrade from the Galaxy Note 3 I still use but, in practice, the Galaxy Note 4 seems to have problems that the Galaxy Note 3 does not have so I will stay with my Snapdragon-based Galaxy Note 3.02:19
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Maxdamantusafair, the only way to use the SD card without the back cover is to do something at the kernel level. I posted a patch on the forms a while ago for omap_hsmmc to ignore that switch.03:24
Maxdamantussince the omap_hsmmc module itself will remove access to the card under those conditions.03:25
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Maxdamantusimo that's extremely bad behaviour anyway. It should be up to user-level software to detect the cover and to attempt to unmount the filesystem, rather than just randomly making it inaccessible at a block level.03:26
MaxdamantusAnalogous to pulling out a drive from a running system.03:27
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: I'm absolutely sure changing battery is a major PITA in any recent mainstream smartphomne03:28
bencohpretty much everything for which the device wasn't meant is a major PITA nowadays03:29
DocScrutinizer05~ping03:30
DocScrutinizer05~fsckyou03:30
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DocScrutinizer05~lstkeys " magnet "03:31
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys " magnet "03:31
infobotFactoid search of ' magnet ' by key returned no results.03:31
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: infobot replies if you ask them if they are pregnant. :-P03:32
DocScrutinizer05huh?03:32
brolin_empeyinfobot: Pregnant?03:32
DocScrutinizer05well, it has over 100k factoids03:32
DocScrutinizer05~+status03:33
DocScrutinizer05and it lags like mad03:33
DocScrutinizer05soon will go offline again with ping timeout03:34
brolin_empeyIt used to reply with something like “Yes, and it is yours.”.  Search the channel log for when I asked it if it is pregnant years ago.03:34
DocScrutinizer05I'm not excited03:34
brolin_empeyI was joking because you said ~fsckyou, implying that you impregnated it.03:34
infobotYes, brolin_empey, and it's your child.03:35
DocScrutinizer05ooooh03:35
infobotSince Fri Oct 26 00:28:51 2018, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command.  I have been awake for 6m 31s this session, and currently reference 119772 factoids.  I'm using about 80364 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.43/0.49 child 0/003:35
DocScrutinizer05~+uptime03:35
infobot- Uptime for purl -03:35
infobotNow: 6m 44s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux03:35
infobot1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 201003:35
infobot2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 200903:35
infobot3: 53d 8h 24m 4s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Nov  7 05:34:20 201703:35
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #maemo*magnet03:36
infobotFactoid search of '#maemo*magnet' by key returned no results.03:36
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #maemo.*magnet03:36
infobotFactoid search of '#maemo.*magnet' by key returned no results.03:36
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues magnet03:36
infobotFactoid search of 'magnet' by value (18 of 45): cmd: kill (.*?) ;; core ;; emi ;; emms ;; emulate ag` ;; gtkextra ;; infinite guitar ;; jargon bare metal4 ;; jargon book titles9 ;; jargon cut a tape ;; jargon farming ;; jargon flap ;; jargon rusty memory ;; jargon vannevar ;; jargon walking drives ;; jedstate ;; magnet ;; nmr.03:37
DocScrutinizer05~magnet03:37
infobotfrom memory, magnet is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9b0fa597ab8bdd89a57434876947dbe378a79aad&dn=devuan_jessie_beta&tr=udp://tracker.dyne.org:696903:37
DocScrutinizer05phhh03:37
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DocScrutinizer05~factinfo magnet03:38
infobotmagnet -- created by jaromil <~jaromil@unaffiliated/jaromil> at Fri Apr 29 19:06:41 2016 (909 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 26s ago.03:38
DocScrutinizer05ohmy03:38
brolin_empeyinfobot: Menopausal?03:38
DocScrutinizer05~forget magnet03:39
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot magnet03:39
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys cover03:39
infobotFactoid search of 'cover' by key (13 of 25): discovery channel ;; i don't know if bub's compaq recover cd ;; mugen-cover-mod ;; security recovery procedures ;; security covert channel ;; black cover ;; discovers that scribble pad ;; system compromise recovery ;; flatbatrecover ;; recover ;; system recovery ;; discovery ;; tv coverage.03:39
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DocScrutinizer05~forget i don't know if bub's compaq recover cd03:40
infoboti forgot i don't know if bub's compaq recover cd, DocScrutinizer0503:40
DocScrutinizer05~forget discovers that scribble pad03:40
infoboti forgot discovers that scribble pad, DocScrutinizer0503:40
brolin_empey~forget future03:40
infobotbrolin_empey: i forgot future03:40
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys 'cover '03:41
infobotFactoid search of 'cover ' by key (4): cmd: whalecover (.*?) ;; i did manage to discover that ucb1200 gpio control #DEL# ;; i don't know if bub's compaq recover cd #DEL# ;; flatbatrecover #DEL#.03:41
brolin_empey0_o03:41
DocScrutinizer05~unforget future03:41
infobotDocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered 'future'.  Have fun now.03:41
brolin_empeyWhat was the future?03:41
DocScrutinizer05~ignore brolin_empey03:41
infoboterror: chan #maemo is invalid.03:41
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo future03:42
infobotfuture -- created by sydb <mpacey@host62-7-103-113.btinternet.com> at Fri Sep  1 21:40:06 2000 (6628 days); last modified 1m 33s ago  by brolin_empey; it has been requested 5 times, last by ZogG_laptop at Thu Jul 19 11:41:29 2012.03:42
brolin_empey~future03:42
infoboti guess future is bright03:42
brolin_empey~past03:43
brolin_empeyA history of the future, heh.03:44
DocScrutinizer05~past is <reply>today's past is yesterday's future03:44
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0503:44
DocScrutinizer05~past03:45
infobottoday's past is yesterday's future03:45
DocScrutinizer05~attack brolin_empey03:46
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing brolin_empey03:46
infobot#maemo brolin_empey, it's your fault!03:46
infobotnow try to be a cool daddy03:47
brolin_empeyIs the national debt of the USA like entropy?03:48
DocScrutinizer05never shrinking?03:48
brolin_empeyIt can only remain the same or increase?03:50
DocScrutinizer05what I said ;-)03:50
DocScrutinizer05like time goes backward, like water goes over the bridge, US national dept shrinks03:51
* DocScrutinizer05 suspects there's no factoid dealing with missing magnet in N900 cover03:52
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo magnet is <reply>the magnet in cover points south pole outwards, N to device03:56
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0503:56
DocScrutinizer05HTH03:57
DocScrutinizer05~magnet03:57
infobotthe magnet in cover points south pole outwards, N to device03:57
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, #maemo magnet is <reply>in Nokia N900 the magnet in battery cover points south pole outwards, N to device03:58
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay03:58
DocScrutinizer05~magnet03:58
infobotin Nokia N900 the magnet in battery cover points south pole outwards, N to device03:58
DocScrutinizer05N.B: the N pole of any free spinning magnet turns to eath's south03:59
DocScrutinizer05does it?04:00
DocScrutinizer05actually NOOOO! what a fuck, the earth has a magnetic NORTH pole on south, and a SOUTH pole at north04:02
DocScrutinizer05what a weird idiocy04:02
DocScrutinizer05so a magnetic N is what points to earth's N04:03
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, #maemo magnet is <reply>in Nokia N900 the magnet in battery cover points north pole outwards, S to device04:04
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay04:04
DocScrutinizer05IOW when you'd use the N900 as a compass needle, the screen would point South, and backside North04:06
DocScrutinizer05https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Erdmagnetfeld.png04:09
DocScrutinizer05https://www.waldorf-ideen-pool.de/Schule/faecher/physik/klasse-7/magnetismus/allgemeines/geographischer-nordpol-und-magnetischer-suedpol04:11
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: >>uptime 14 days and it's still indexing my music<<  are you sure you didn't just close your battery cover so tracker restarted indexing the complete uSD?04:14
DocScrutinizer05btw a *NASTY* fscked problem when you got a magnetic clip closing the lid of your N900 holster, each time you remove the device, it slides along the holster's magnet and may think the battery lid got removed for a fraction of a second04:16
DocScrutinizer05... and thus restart tracker indexing04:16
DocScrutinizer05:-S04:17
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: you already asleep? or did you run from infobot before she starts bitching at you about the baby?04:18
DocScrutinizer05~+status04:18
infobotSince Fri Oct 26 00:28:51 2018, there have been 8 modifications, 7 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 10 commands.  I have been awake for 50m 8s this session, and currently reference 119774 factoids.  I'm using about 80860 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4.81/1.34 child 0/004:19
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: I just came home from my office.  It is 18:50 here.04:51
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sicelothanks buZz for checking. now, to find a suitable magnet :-)08:41
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Vajbget some huge neodym magnet :p09:10
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totalizatorsicelo: haven't heard about Maemo Leste, thanks10:59
totalizatoroh gosh, I remember the day when my magnet from n900 fell into the grass, like in slow motion ;__;11:01
KotCzarnyfor one of my n900s without magnes i just bough replacement (used) cover cheaply ~1usd11:04
sicelohow much is a complete working N900 KotCzarny?11:06
KotCzarnydepends on luck11:07
KotCzarnyfrom ~20usd to ~50usd11:07
sicelousual range?11:07
sicelothanks11:07
KotCzarny50+ usd is almost new quality11:07
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sicelothanks.11:24
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: you might want to change "while true" to "while sleep 0.1" in  ~beasttweaks. Needs bash!11:27
DocScrutinizer05totalizator: pondered luring the N900 magnet out of the grass with another ("huge") magnet?11:34
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: let me know which solution you came up with for the replacement magnet. I think cutting a tiny piece off a plastic fridge magnet might work11:36
totalizatorhuge magnet, yes, that's something I carry around usually - kind of a lucky charm ;)11:44
KotCzarnythere are people NOT carrying HUGE magnet with them ALL the time?11:46
totalizatorask Steve Wozniak https://gizmodo.com/5926598/the-amazing-contents-of-steve-wozniaks-travel-backpack11:48
KotCzarny:)11:50
KotCzarnymine has 2 cellphones, slim power bank, e-ink e-reader and usb 3g modem11:51
siceloi have one of those magnetic name tag things somewhere. hope the magnet is strong enough11:51
KotCzarnyand a swissbit11:51
KotCzarnyalso microusb cable (for powerbank)11:51
KotCzarnyatm also usb-uasp (sata adapter)11:52
KotCzarnyalso pendrive and a mirror11:52
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totalizatorI carry an usb3 external ssd with Linux as I'm too paranoid to leave it at work :E11:55
KotCzarnygrab some dedi box (or setup one at home) ?11:56
totalizatoreasier that carrying the laptop plus it's perfectly bootable on any pc11:56
KotCzarnysysarm has a nice offer11:56
KotCzarnyah, for that11:56
totalizatordedi box?11:57
KotCzarnyas opposed to vps11:58
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DocScrutinizer05totalizator: there's more magnets around that you might think, usually12:27
DocScrutinizer05e.g. headphones12:28
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sixwheeledbeast^keyboards slider? hard drives, microwaves12:34
sixwheeledbeast^or is this a magnet to fit in as a replacement?12:35
sixwheeledbeast^~logs12:36
infobotAll conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/12:36
KotCzarnywith tlc ssd, old magnetic hdds are just too clunky12:36
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KotCzarny(comparing prices)12:36
sixwheeledbeast^I still prefer HDD for storage12:38
KotCzarnyfor long time storage, yeah. as a portable storage ssd is just fine12:39
sixwheeledbeast^I like to shred things SSD dont like that12:39
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KotCzarnyum, trim?12:40
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totalizatorssds tend to shred themseves12:40
KotCzarny:)12:40
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sixwheeledbeast^I agree portable is better with no mechanical components to damage.12:42
KotCzarnylighter too12:42
KotCzarnyand smaller if you happen to have msata/m.2 enclosure12:43
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sixwheeledbeast^I suppose you could manually trim the drive instead of shred.12:49
sixwheeledbeast^Otherwise data is there until your trim cycle, normally a cron job every week12:49
KotCzarnyyou shred automatically?12:50
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sixwheeledbeast^some files from the cli12:51
KotCzarnyalso, since many ssds are encrypted internally now, destroying controller is enough12:51
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jonwilhi13:07
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KotCzarnyhello13:09
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Vajbabout n900 profiles. I usually want to keep my phone on silent profile, but at day time I like it to vibrate, but at night time this is not acceptable. Do we have a script to change this automagically?13:53
jonwilAnything interesting happening in the world of N900 lately?13:54
KotCzarnyjonwil: most of the fun happens in #maemo-leste13:54
jonwilok :)13:54
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sunshaviKotCzarny: Do You use mutt on the n900?14:46
KotCzarnynope, i only use web interface for mail14:47
KotCzarnyboth yahoo and gmail have legacy fallbacks14:47
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sixwheeledbeast^~phonecontrol14:47
infobotrumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control14:48
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sixwheeledbeast^^ Vajb14:48
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sunshaviI am using mutt on n900 (for reading with mbsync aka isync). In the future I would try to compile msmtp for also writting email on the device14:49
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Vajbsixwheeledbeast^: thx, I thought to ask if there is something ready to prevent iventing wheel, but I'll dig to it then.14:57
sixwheeledbeast^oh no i doubt14:58
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sixwheeledbeast^Vajb: Just use alarmd?15:24
sixwheeledbeast^Alarmed15:24
sixwheeledbeast^That's how i do most stuff like that15:25
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MaxdamantusHm. I have an evil plan to continue using Opera Mobile with sites requiring newer versions of TLS.15:39
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MaxdamantusIt seems to use SNI, so I should be able to make a MITM server that generates appropriate certificates on the fly, signed by my own CA certificate which can be added as a root.15:40
Maxdamantusand can probably just do something like override `connect` with LD_PRELOAD15:41
Maxdamantusand of course, the proxy server will do hostname validation, so there's no loss of security.15:43
MaxdamantusI guess this is what "mitmproxy" does, but that's written in Python, so would prefer not to run that on the N900.15:45
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DocScrutinizer05indeed alarmed comes with this function built in16:25
sixwheeledbeast^Did anyone get QML browser working with TLS? I thought that was a thing, I need to try.16:30
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sicelosunshavi: i do use mutt on N900.  any reason for asking?18:00
sunshavisicelo: Hi. Yeah. Do You send email with msmtp?18:14
siceloi don't use msmtp. any advantages over using mutt's existing smtp 'client'?18:18
sunshaviless setup probably. support for multiple accounts also18:21
sunshavimutt used just as MUA18:22
siceloymmv18:22
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siceloworks fine for me to send and retrieve mail from Google & Outlook.com (where I use it)18:23
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sunshavinice. Probably I am going to compile msmtp and transfer my setup as it is. then I would have isync as MDA mutt as MUA and msmtp MTA18:26
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Vajbhmm did someone patch pidgin-libnotify to fix vibra issue? Or is there a version which works with maemo? Newer than 14.2-320:39
sixwheeledbeast^gidzzz did some pidgin stuff maybe search on tmo?20:56
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Vajbok thx21:07
Vajbhmm it was facebook plugin21:17
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Vajbhmm it seems that telegram-purple doesn't support supergroups22:21
Vajboh well I'll live22:21
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siceloVajb: i use telegram-cli now :)22:44
Vajboh. Does it support supergroups?22:48
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sicelowhat's a supergroup btw23:08
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Vajbwell I don't know exact definition, but it is a group that can have lots of members23:13
Vajbif I try to open it in pidgin I get message "71: rpc_call_fail: user_already_participant23:15
Vajb"23:15
siceloif there's any free-access supergroup you know, i can test for you23:15
Vajbif I try to open it in pidgin I get message "71: rpc_call_fail 400: user_already_participant"23:15
VajbI know only this one im using and it is not open :/23:16
sicelo:-)23:16
sicelorussian spies?23:16
siceloanyway, you can find the package on tmo and test for yourself. or, build it on pc23:18
Vajbyeah I did some digging of a topic23:19
VajbI'll see what I do, but thx :)23:20
siceloit's cli, so it has its limitations, but i never went back to pidgin since i got it.23:23
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