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| bencoh | hey there ... does supl.nokia.com works properly for you, or did it change/break again? | 09:30 |
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| sicelo | it has finally vansiedd off the face of the earth | 11:42 |
| bencoh | seriously? :/ | 11:42 |
| bencoh | do we have any replacement in progress? | 11:42 |
| sicelo | yup. see last few posts in tmo post about a-gps | 11:43 |
| bencoh | ah :) | 11:43 |
| bencoh | hmm, where was that again | 11:43 |
| sicelo | some say supl.google.com works for them, but i am skeptical | 11:44 |
| bencoh | I never saw it work tbh | 11:44 |
| bencoh | (not with location-daemon, that is) | 11:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | netiher have i | 11:44 |
| bencoh | we could maybe proxy it | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | ping to that host works | 11:45 |
| sicelo | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651 | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | 64 bytes from lh-in-f192.1e100.net (64.233.161.192): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=25.6 ms | 11:45 |
| sicelo | what host is that? | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | supl.google.com | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | darn. | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | misread | 11:46 |
| bencoh | ;) | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | ok, nokia one dns vanished | 11:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It could be nokia moving there dns about? i assume microsoft had control of some of it for a bit. | 11:47 |
| bencoh | aren't they supposed to give it back, somehow? | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | they own it, who should they give it back to? | 11:48 |
| sicelo | i think now the server is just decommissioned | 11:48 |
| sicelo | it has been working for a while .. only recently stopped working. | 11:48 |
| bencoh | I mean ... MS no longer own the Nokia brand iirc | 11:48 |
| sicelo | so i don't think MS has anything to do with it | 11:48 |
| KotCzarny | best course of action i guess is just changing /etc/hosts or binary editing | 11:48 |
| bencoh | binary editing? nah :) | 11:48 |
| bencoh | RE-ing of liblocation, maybe | 11:49 |
| bencoh | and even that is probably not needed | 11:49 |
| bencoh | we could probably add an A-GPS proxy to forward location-daemon's request to google with proper additions | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | afair supl.nokia.com was distributed via amazonaws anyway | 11:50 |
| bencoh | indeed | 11:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | microsoft/nokia lumias where using supl.nokia.com for a bit though AFAIK. | 11:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I imagine new nokias will just use google supl | 11:55 |
| bencoh | do lumia phones still receive support? | 11:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | But nokia supl down means all symbian stuff now has no supl. | 11:55 |
| bencoh | I doubt symbian is still "supported" in any way | 11:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | lumia was discontinued a year ago | 11:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | security updates to dec 2019 according to wiki | 11:58 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | MS Lumia site has links back to Nokia HMD so they must have some deal. | 12:00 |
| * sixwheeledbeast looks at 130 Classic | 12:03 | |
| sicelo | slightly derailing the discussion - any browser that is TLS 1.2 capable? (on Maemo)? | 12:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wasn't that jonwils plan on TMO | 12:06 |
| sicelo | my recent issues with QT (the latest one) seem to suggest that TLS 1.0 is disabled in the new build. :-/ | 12:08 |
| sicelo | i don't know how to confirm this | 12:09 |
| sicelo | mmm, maybe not | 12:13 |
| KotCzarny | is there some way to check if sms was multipart? | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | (apart from direct access to sqlite db) | 12:24 |
| bencoh | well, adding recent openssl libraries alongside our old 0.9.8 version should not be an issue | 12:31 |
| brolin_empey | Backtracking: the rent for my home is almost half of my monthly expenses, then food is around a quarter. | 12:38 |
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| ceene | sicelo: would you give a chance to easydebian? | 13:15 |
| ceene | i run midori on that | 13:15 |
| ceene | and it's probably the fastest browser on maemo right now | 13:15 |
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| sicelo | ceene, yes i have been downloading image :) | 14:01 |
| sicelo | soon as it is done, i'll give it a spin | 14:01 |
| sicelo | opera-mobile 12.5 has some support for tls 1.2, but i guess not enough ciphers, or whatever else (i'm not too familiar with ssl jargon) | 14:02 |
| sicelo | ceene: https://mail.jwpub.irg ... please test it for me if you're able to get to a login screen. if you have time, of course. | 14:03 |
| sicelo | *.org | 14:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | https://www.howsmyssl.com/ | 14:08 |
| sicelo | i should read up on this stuff .. but i guess the problem is - opera (or other browser) advertises to the server that it supports weak ciphers _in_ _addtion_ to the 'strong' ones. as soon as server sees the weak ones, it closes connection. | 14:38 |
| sicelo | why aren't these things designed that the server tells the browser what it wants to use, and browser picks the correct thing? :-/ | 14:40 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | So not to break the internet? Working that way is part of the c-s model. Clients request, servers provide. | 15:08 |
| KotCzarny | well, in ssh client and server talk to each other | 15:09 |
| KotCzarny | and negotiate common and preferred ciphers list | 15:10 |
| ceene | sicelo: on iceweasel on debian I can, if I remember this afternoon, I'll try on midori on n900 | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | so it's m$ problem of bad workaround in their software | 15:13 |
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| sicelo | MS? | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | wasnt that the one server running m$ mail? | 15:22 |
| sicelo | i used that address as an example. i have same issue with gitlab.com for example | 15:23 |
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| sicelo | yay! the latest ED image comes with IceWeasel. i can access the mail.jwpub on it. still going to try midori. | 15:59 |
| ceene | midori is so much faster | 15:59 |
| sicelo | i'll install it | 16:00 |
| ceene | it also has a couple of very useful things by default, such as a dropdown selector to choose user agent | 16:00 |
| ceene | so you can configure it so identify as a mobile browser if you want | 16:00 |
| ceene | s/so/to/ | 16:00 |
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| sicelo | turns out midori has cert issue with that site as well. or i need to figure out how midori uses certificate stores | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | strace midori 2>&1 |grep open ? | 17:26 |
| KotCzarny | you will see what files it opens | 17:26 |
| KotCzarny | (or tries to open) | 17:26 |
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| ceene | oh :( | 17:28 |
| ceene | i didn't expect that at all | 17:28 |
| ceene | what does it complaint about exactly? | 17:29 |
| ceene | s/complaint/complain/ | 17:29 |
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| ceene | i don't know how to write English anymore | 17:29 |
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| sicelo | typing on N900 - sorry for the brevity - but the 'problem' is the same as debian bug 806169 | 17:32 |
| ceene | > Error Code: 408. The operation timed out. The remote server did not | 17:32 |
| ceene | > respond within the set time allowed. The server might be unavailable | 17:32 |
| ceene | > at this time. Try again later or contact the server | 17:32 |
| ceene | > administrator. (12002) | 17:32 |
| ceene | that? | 17:32 |
| ceene | oh, I see | 17:33 |
| ceene | this | 17:33 |
| ceene | Error granting trust: Couldn't find a place to store the pinned certificate | 17:33 |
| sicelo | yes | 17:33 |
| ceene | why the hell is all this so complicated | 17:35 |
| ceene | apt-get install libp11-kit-gnome-keyring | 17:35 |
| ceene | try to install that on your easydebian | 17:35 |
| ceene | and after that some variation of modutil -add gnome-keyring -libfile ./lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so -mechanisms RSA:DSA -dbdir ~/.config/midori/ | 17:36 |
| sicelo | couldn't find it :-) | 17:36 |
| ceene | what a piece of shit | 17:36 |
| ceene | i'll try later this afternoon when i have my n900, i'm at work now | 17:36 |
| ceene | i don't remember midori failing me in any web | 17:36 |
| ceene | but maybe i had some later version of easydebian, I'm thiking | 17:36 |
| ceene | some development image, maybe? | 17:37 |
| bencoh | wtf o.O | 17:38 |
| ceene | which image have you installed? | 17:40 |
| sicelo | i think mine is newer than yours - debian_jessie_2 | 17:41 |
| ceene | is there a jessie image? | 17:41 |
| ceene | wow | 17:41 |
| ceene | let me try midori on debian sid x86 | 17:42 |
| ceene | maybe the jessie image is too new... lol | 17:43 |
| ceene | it loads on my pc | 17:47 |
| ceene | i'll try later on my n900 | 17:48 |
| sicelo | sure. in the meantime, my big issues are gone since i can access the two mailboxes now. yes things are slow, but i can wait :-) | 17:51 |
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| ceene | sicelo: https://mail.jwpub.irg works on my n900's midori | 18:47 |
| ceene | midori 0.4.3 | 18:47 |
| sicelo | ok. you're using wheezy image? | 18:48 |
| ceene | 8.3 | 18:49 |
| sicelo | 8.5 for me | 18:50 |
| ceene | i don't know which image it was, because ii wrote it to an sdcard partition | 18:50 |
| ceene | so i don't have the image name | 18:51 |
| sicelo | must be jessie_1 | 18:51 |
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