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| brolin_empey | I am trying to determine how much money I usually spend in a month, which means trying to determine how much money I usually spend on different things each month. Is there some way to have the transaction log for both my credit card account and my chequeing account in one place? I cannot use only one account for everything, which results in the frustrating First-World Problem that my transaction log is split/fragmented between two accounts. | 01:02 |
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| Wizzup | gnu cash | 01:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gnucash | 01:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | snap | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | #stopspendingmoneyonuselessthings | 01:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | lol | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | no spending, no log, no problem | 01:03 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | if you need help the irc channel is on irc.gnome.org #gnucash. but it is well documented | 01:05 |
| brolin_empey | I have been aware of GnuCash for years but have never knowingly used it. How do I get the transaction logs into GnuCash? | 01:07 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | You can import CSV within gnucash | 01:08 |
| brolin_empey | Can GnuCash automatically get the transaction log from my accounts? | 01:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | You may just be best to reconcile what you have first and start using gnucash going forward using your opening balances | 01:10 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | You can do all sorts of account reports within your tax year | 01:11 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | oh you mean reconcile with your bank accounts? I believe there are options for that never used them. i think it's OFX/QFX? | 01:13 |
| brolin_empey | Considering how few transactions occur per month in my chequeing account, I think this is Yet Another case of spending more time trying to save time than I will actually save. I try to use my credit card account for all purchases so there are few transactions that are in my chequeing account instead of my credit card account. | 01:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | If transactions are few it's not too hard to calculate them. After all everything will come out of checking a/c eventually | 01:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | For personal accounting if you don't mind the initial setup and a little work, it will help you locate and break down where you are spending. | 01:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | If you are after a rough monthly spend calculation then your probably better just working it out yourself. | 01:23 |
| brolin_empey | This problem would be easier to solve if my credit card company had a less lame Web site but both of the credit card companies I have used so far have bad Web sites. | 01:53 |
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| sicelo | i use eqonomize for my personal accounting. it's leaner than gnucash | 08:02 |
| buZz | 'sc' is a really light spreadsheet for terminal | 08:10 |
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| brolin_empey | Apparently I have around 1 690 CAD of expenses per month. | 09:51 |
| Vajb | brolin_empey: that sounds like a lot, but then again I don't know the value of that currency | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | a bit less than usd | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | ~10-20% | 10:39 |
| Vajb | mkay, it's still significant amount of moneys | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | i just usually drop the currency and compare amount | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | because both earnings and prices are related | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | ie. you can buy similar amount for similar amount of currency | 10:41 |
| Vajb | yup true | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | ie. you earn 2000some currency and spend half of that on life | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | (with earning is being related to the job, and can go up 5-10 times in IT) | 10:45 |
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| sparre | KotCzarny: Don't you eventually end up spending 100% of your earnings? (Unless you've been careful, and organised fixed payments into a pension fund.) | 20:25 |
| KotCzarny | depends, in current inflationatory economy, yeah | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | it's made as a good you perceive to 'have', but it's fleeting | 20:26 |
| * sparre finds it hard to save up 50% of his income. | 20:27 | |
| ceene | either you earn very little or you spend too much | 20:27 |
| ceene | hi! | 20:27 |
| sparre | I manage some years, but generally I'm closer to using 100%. | 20:27 |
| sparre | ceene: Spend too much (its costly to be married ;-) | 20:28 |
| KotCzarny | easiest to do is to get an envelope and put something from your every paycheck there | 20:28 |
| KotCzarny | (hard to do with electronic moneys, but you can always pay out in papers) | 20:28 |
| sparre | ceene: I make 130 kEUR a good year. | 20:28 |
| ceene | here in Spain, at least in big cities, most of the cost goes to house payment, either mortgage or rent | 20:28 |
| ceene | lol | 20:29 |
| ceene | i make 30kEUR before taxes | 20:29 |
| ceene | i would be a god with 130kEUR | 20:29 |
| ceene | i save around 50% yearly | 20:29 |
| sparre | I know. I lived in Italy when I was younger, and lived quite well on ~35 kEUR/year. | 20:30 |
| ceene | of course since I live with my partner it helps paying the house | 20:30 |
| ceene | it's not the same 700EUR for one person than the same amount to pay with 2 salaries | 20:30 |
| sparre | That helps indeed. | 20:30 |
| ceene | rent for the same apartment i had a couple years ago costs now ~900 | 20:31 |
| ceene | we're in the process of the next bubble | 20:31 |
| sparre | My wife and I both try to work only part-time, so we can have more time with our daughter, but it does cost a bit on the income. | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | time is money | 20:32 |
| ceene | oh, that indeed takes a bite on the income | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | true as humanity | 20:32 |
| sparre | Definitely bubble time again, but it is hard to estimate when it bursts. | 20:32 |
| sparre | Having a PhD and knowing Ada well helps a bit on my hourly rate. :-) | 20:33 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 20:33 |
| KotCzarny | are you saying you earn the living with Ada ? | 20:34 |
| sparre | Yes. | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | amazing. | 20:34 |
| ceene | i'm trying to earn my phd | 20:34 |
| ceene | i'd like to end up in university | 20:35 |
| ceene | basically a poor income but lots of free time | 20:35 |
| buZz | doesnt earning a phd requires being in uni already? | 20:35 |
| buZz | -s | 20:35 |
| ceene | nope | 20:35 |
| buZz | nice | 20:35 |
| ceene | you need a doctor from the university to direct your thesis and investigation | 20:36 |
| sparre | I wanted to land a university job too, when I was younger, but the current level of funding for research at the Danish universities helped me change my mind. | 20:36 |
| ceene | but you don't have to be near them, nor the university has to pay you anything | 20:36 |
| ceene | here it depends a lot on the university itself, even on the same university, the one I'm related to, Telecommunications is one of the biggest in terms of financing | 20:37 |
| sparre | KotCzarny: At the moment I mostly work on a warehouse control and management system used by (among others) all the big Danish supermarket chains. | 20:37 |
| ceene | and they use Ada | 20:38 |
| ceene | that's more amazing even | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | truly | 20:38 |
| sparre | That application was changed from C to Ada around 1992. | 20:38 |
| ceene | it becomes more amazing with every line you type | 20:40 |
| sparre | They hadn't treated it as well as I would have liked them to, when I was hired by to development company, but we've managed to turn it into a pretty reliable and maintainable system over the last two years. | 20:40 |
| sparre | One of the less amazing things is that Heineken uses it too, but is going to stop next year because the Benelux divisison of the company refuses to support them. | 20:42 |
| sparre | (The director of the Benelux division has been changed, but I don't think it will change their mind at Heineken. Bad/lacking support is extremely costly for warehouses.) | 20:44 |
| sparre | When I get a call at 2AM in the morning, I may have up to 150 people standing still and waiting for me to get the warehouse running again. Fortunately a better use of our tools - and basic stuff like automated test execution - has reduced the number of those calls dramatically. | 20:46 |
| sparre | There's nothing like knowing that *you* will get a call in the middle of the night, to keep you from making mistakes you know how to avoid. | 20:48 |
| ceene | i was thiking the other day about the warehouse management systems that places like Amazon or Ikea or Farnell must have | 20:48 |
| sparre | The one Ikea has at their main warehouses is written in C. Also provided by my client. | 20:49 |
| sparre | The R&D division for the C WMS is more than 10 times as large as that for the Ada WMS, and we're still close to feature parity. | 20:50 |
| ceene | warehousing in general sounds boring, but thinking about these large scale systems make it pretty interesting | 20:51 |
| sparre | Much of it is pretty trivial, but it gets better, when you can ask a 27 m tall crane to move a pallet around for you. :-) | 20:52 |
| sparre | There are also some interesting real-time issues here and there. | 20:52 |
| ceene | we use an excel sheet to keep track of electronic componentes :D | 20:53 |
| sparre | :-) | 20:53 |
| sparre | I'm not much better, when it comes to my LEGO collection. | 20:54 |
| sparre | But I'm thinking of using my LEGO collection as an excuse to write a new WMS from scratch, incorporating all the things I've figured out can be done better, after working in the area for a few years. | 20:56 |
| sparre | (sorry about hijacking the discussion) | 20:57 |
| ceene | lego parts at least seem very easily descriptable (is that a word?) | 20:58 |
| sparre | "describable"? | 20:58 |
| sparre | Yes. They all have part numbers. | 20:58 |
| ceene | yes, that | 20:59 |
| ceene | descriptible in spanish | 20:59 |
| sparre | Some of the bluish colours can be a nightmare to distinguish. | 20:59 |
| * sparre has talked a bit to LEGO about automated picking for their individual brick ordering service. | 21:00 | |
| sparre | There are some tricky issues, but it looks like most of the technology is ready for it. | 21:01 |
| ceene | well, pick and place technology is very good, at least for electronic components | 21:02 |
| ceene | around 10 or 15 parts per second | 21:03 |
| ceene | gonna see some tv with the family, cya! | 21:03 |
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| sicelo | nice story there sparre! | 21:07 |
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| sparre | Grabbing LEGO pieces out of a container is hard - even if you only have a single part & colour per container. | 21:30 |
| sparre | ceene: But you grab electronic components from fixed positions on a sheet/tape, not from a randomly packaged box. Or? | 21:31 |
| sparre | I don't think the grabbers I've seen would be able to manage more than 1 part/second. And then we're talking about ~6k part+colour combinations, so I imagine that optimal picking for an actual LEGO facility will require quite complex scheduling - or maybe just rethinking how things are done. | 21:35 |
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| ceene | sparre: yes, components come conviniently packaged for pick & place machines | 22:10 |
| ceene | conveniently | 22:10 |
| ceene | but i would say that most lego pieces can be shuffled and ordered by simple mechanical means (i.e. vibrating, etc) | 22:11 |
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| sparre | They can. But having 6000 hoppers on stand-by for pick-on-demand is simply too big an investment. That's what they do on the ordinary production lines, and it works quite well and is quite cost-effective there. | 22:51 |
| sparre | (Not that they have 6000 hoppers, but they use them to package parts for ordinary sets.) | 22:53 |
| sparre | Good night. | 23:04 |
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